No taxpayers cash for Stadium is sensible decision

4:20pm Wednesday 6th June 2012 in Letters

Common sense at long last! No public money for a stadium, which will be a blessing for all hard working tax payers in Cornwall. Kevin Lavery might be all for it, but then he's a foreigner - just like most of the incomers pushing this.

The majority of us living in Cornwall couldn't give two monkeys about a stadium and would never use it, so why in God's name don't the stadium people give up?

Leave us all in peace and if they still persist and carry on making fools of themselves that's up to them, but please, please don't keep coming back with the begging bowl asking again for the council to reconsider. Don't they understand the meaning of the word no?

A stadium in the right place funded privately would be great but not at council tax payers' expense. Give up! You lost! Accept democracy!

Or is that too much to ask?

Tommy Bray Redruth

Comments(21)

Zella says...
7:20am Thu 7 Jun 12

I respect the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinions regarding the stadium, however, I do believe it is wrong of Tommy Bray to refer to Mr Lavery as a foreigner. Whether or not Mr Lavery was born in Cornwall I have no idea, but assuming that he was not, it is wrong to refer to him as a foreigner. Like it or not, Cornwall is part of England. Regarding the emphasis on "incomers" in Tommy Bray's letter, it does not matter where any councillor originates from. Place of birth has no bearing on the opinions or decisions made by councillors in Cornwall. Their place of birth does not mean that they do not have the best interests of Cornwall or indeed their local communities at heart.

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helstonborn says...
3:10pm Thu 7 Jun 12

It does when they turn up middle aged, pay a few years council tax whilst taking the top job in the county then move back up the line (probably) when he's got enough of a nest egg as demonstrated by previous chief execs taking our money out of the county.
It was still the right decision, if it's such a great idea let the private sector fund it- don't let the tax payers fund a massive mistake.

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Zella says...
4:52pm Thu 7 Jun 12

Even if your assumption was eventually proven correct, it does not alter the fact that Mr Lavery is not a foreigner. I suggest that Tommy Bray uses the words "Incomers" and "Foreigners" on a frequent basis to try to add weight to debates. This in my opinion just leaves his side of any debate without any cedibility.

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Zella says...
4:55pm Thu 7 Jun 12

Here is the missing 'r' from credibility.

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DCI Jen says...
12:01pm Fri 8 Jun 12

So if someone was born in Cornwall but brought up elsewhere then returned to live in Cornwall, what would be the difference between that and someone who remained in Cornwall all their life. Would their opinion on wanting a stadium be attributed to being an incomer.

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Zella says...
3:47pm Fri 8 Jun 12

DCI Jen wrote:
So if someone was born in Cornwall but brought up elsewhere then returned to live in Cornwall, what would be the difference between that and someone who remained in Cornwall all their life. Would their opinion on wanting a stadium be attributed to being an incomer.
Hypothetically, I suggest the difference may possibly be, that the one returning to Cornwall may not be small minded.
Additionally, their wish for a stadium would be based on overall advantages long term for Cornwall, alongside with the tolerance of the needs of others.

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steve eva says...
9:38pm Fri 8 Jun 12

Zella you are flogging a dead horse the point is we who are born a bred in Cornwall have travelled the world and influenced it. Anywhere you go in the world seems to have heard of Cornwall yet there are those who believe this is a one way right and no-one else can have a say.
Kevin Lavery applied for a job and was successful in getting that post whilst Tommy Bray was on County Council. Kevin Lavery is still there and Tommy Bray was not re-elected what does that tell you.
As for the stadium as i have said before there was never a vote on public money being used only that the Cabinet look into a business plan and report back. So Tommy you are wrong yet again.

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Poldark says...
11:47am Fri 15 Jun 12

It makes me wonder why the independents are still there also Cllr Eva, when you talk about flogging a dead horse.
why can't you realise that a stadium will only be achieved through private money? if some of those who are advocating this will put their money where their mouths are you may achieve this.
Public money must not be allowed to be used t while so much is needed in the county.
I wouldn't trust the Independents assessment, they have their own agendas and have truly showed their true colours these last four years, don't degenerate a better man than you . I shouldn't be surprised to see you gone as well come next June, he is allowed his opinions whether you like it or not same as we have to put up with yours.

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Zella says...
4:16pm Fri 15 Jun 12

The issue was not Tommy Bray's opinion on the stadium, yes he is entitled to that, the issue as far as I am concerned, was his referral to Mr Lavery as a foreigner. This is incorrect, and I suggest that Mr Lavery's place of birth has no bearing what-so-ever on his opinions on the stadium.

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Zella says...
4:28pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Poldark wrote:
It makes me wonder why the independents are still there also Cllr Eva, when you talk about flogging a dead horse.
why can't you realise that a stadium will only be achieved through private money? if some of those who are advocating this will put their money where their mouths are you may achieve this.
Public money must not be allowed to be used t while so much is needed in the county.
I wouldn't trust the Independents assessment, they have their own agendas and have truly showed their true colours these last four years, don't degenerate a better man than you . I shouldn't be surprised to see you gone as well come next June, he is allowed his opinions whether you like it or not same as we have to put up with yours.
Poldark, 'please explain' what you mean by the independents have their own agendas, as you are categorizing them all together.

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Poldark says...
8:31pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Oh come on Zella regarding Mr Lavry, he was brought in as Chief Excecutive for CCC starting wage alone was 200k and that was 3years ago, then there was the allowance when he used to travel back up the country before he bought a house and moved his family to Cornwall.
So no he was not Cornish, was there no Cornish man capable ? on his wage he probably wouldn't notice a rise in the rates should they take his and the others advice on a Stadium.
It seems to matter to you people calling non Cornish Foreigners , you don't have to wonder why? when they promote people from up country, was there no Cornish man or woman capable? someone who truly knows what this county needs certainly not a stadium in these desperate times.
Independents Zella are a bunch of fellows who work for themselves and a wasted vote, they do not do the best for the county because they can't agree , also 2

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Poldark says...
8:31pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Oh come on Zella regarding Mr Lavry, he was brought in as Chief Excecutive for CCC starting wage alone was 200k and that was 3years ago, then there was the allowance when he used to travel back up the country before he bought a house and moved his family to Cornwall.
So no he was not Cornish, was there no Cornish man capable ? on his wage he probably wouldn't notice a rise in the rates should they take his and the others advice on a Stadium.
It seems to matter to you people calling non Cornish Foreigners , you don't have to wonder why? when they promote people from up country, was there no Cornish man or woman capable? someone who truly knows what this county needs certainly not a stadium in these desperate times.
Independents Zella are a bunch of fellows who work for themselves and a wasted vote, they do not do the best for the county because they can't agree , also 2

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Zella says...
6:17am Sat 16 Jun 12

I do not believe any job of that description is worth that money, however, Cornwall is not alone, take a look at the wages of chief executives on other councils. In other counties no one puts any emphasis on where the chief executives were born, only their performance in the job and the savings and results they achieve.
Regarding the independents, the Conservatives do not always agree on everything, and a percentage of the Lib Dems have jumped political ships and become independents. The independents do not waste time trying to score political points off each other. There are many independent councillors who work tirelessly hard for Cornwall, and only have the best interests for the county and their local communities at heart.
Would Tommy Bray have the same attitude I wonder, and personally object to the services of those wonderful and dedicated Doctors, Surgeons, Nurses, Consultants etc, that work in the county and yet were not born in Cornwall.

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Zella says...
6:31am Sat 16 Jun 12

Incidentally Poldark, I would be interested to know if you are a councillor yourself ?

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Poldark says...
9:17am Sat 16 Jun 12

No Not a councillor .you don't have to be a councillor Zella to have an interest in your town and community. I could also ask you the question.
Tommy Bray has a right to his opinions but I am of the opinion he also has Cornwall at heart.
Now he makes a very valid point , a CE from outside the county has no inside knowledge of Cornwall and her problems, you may not like the way he puts it , but a lot of us would agree.
As regards Doctors, nurses etc they don't run the county or make the policies, CE's and CCC do so .
As for the Independents serving their communities please don't insult the people of Falmouth, especially after they again refuse to allow Falmouth to implement the Article 4 directive to preserve family housing for families etc and control the number of houses that are being turned into HMO's , nothing wrong in that a sensible precaution other towns and cities have done this with no adverse effects.
Two of these Independent councillors were given the honour of representing Falmouth but refuse to carry out the wishes of the people that elected them , but the ballot box beckons next year.
We shall see.

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Zella says...
10:36am Sat 16 Jun 12

You originally stated that independents are a bunch of fellows that work for themselves and are a wasted vote. Therefore I interpreted that as more than just Falmouth councillors, that you now appear to be referring to. Your original statement catagorized all independent councillors. I therefore still maintain there are a lot of independent Cornwall councillors that have the best interests of the county and their local communities at heart.

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Poldark says...
11:41am Sat 16 Jun 12

Just a last comment Zella. Did you know that when first elected and the subject of councillors pay came up ,almost to a man they voted for an increase in their allowances, when defeated their leader said he couldn't manage although knowing that he would only be getting an allowance not a salary before being elected,what did he expect the taxpayers to be his cash cow? now thats acting collectively

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Zella says...
12:04pm Sat 16 Jun 12

I believe that non executive councillors should be paid a decent allowance, this would encourage more people to stand for councillors. It would additionally mean that for some people, it would not be imperative for them to have additional employment, therefore leaving them more time to devote to council duties.

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DCI Jen says...
2:14pm Sat 16 Jun 12

Oh, so according to Poldark it is ok for Cornwall to benefit from Doctors etc that were not born in the county and have their talents and skills, but not ok to have Councillors make decisions about the county just because they wern't born in the county. How democratic is that? So where are all these Cornish people that are capable of bringing the skills that Cllr Lavery has brought, and did they apply for the job? If as 'helstonborn' predicts, in a previous post, that Cllr Lavery goes back up the line, then all these Cornish people that want his job can apply.
Tommy Bray does not just refer to councillors as foreigners, he is always banging on about incomers and foreigners, on loads of subjects. Hence why several people have written to the Packet in the past about his biggoted remarks.

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Poldark says...
8:08am Sun 17 Jun 12

Read the post properly DCI jen,You will notice that I said these people do not make the decisions, that the county has to pay for and abide by, in no way did I hint that doctors etc were not welcome I said chief executives ought to local, not just jobs for the boys, going from one position to the next with a payoff, and they should also be accountable for their actions, long after they have disappeared.
I would also ask you what skills you think Lavery has brought into this county,? I am still waiting to be convinced.
As I said he's entitled to his opinion I don't think it's against the law to call anybody a foreigner yet, it's a well known saying for anyone who is from outside of the county, and however much you dislike it you won't change it, why would you want to?' when in Rome ' as they say, your use of the word 'bigot' could be classed as being unlawful .
This is Cornwall and there is still a lot of Cornish who use this reference maybe he should use the word 'Emmett' instead of foreigners or would that offend your sensibilities?
Wake up DCI? You are in Cornwall one of the most patriotic counties in England most of the inhabitants are still Cornish why would you want to change their views or sayings.

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DCI Jen says...
9:13am Sun 17 Jun 12

Poldark, I didn't say that you said Doctors wern't welcome, you havn't read my post how i meant it.

Please read the letter submitted and printed in the Packet last week regarding Tommy Bray's comments, by someone in Helston, because that reflects many peoples feelings.

Incidentally, I am Cornish, but I don't try to blame a load of things that are wrong in Cornwall on those people that are not born in the county, which is what it appears to some people that Tommy Bray does. I welcome anyone on the council that can achieve success no matter where they were born.

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