Helston businesses vow to oppose pasty 'drive through'

Helston businesses vow to oppose pasty 'drive through'

Helston businesses vow to oppose pasty 'drive through'

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Helston's businesses have come out fighting against plans for a pasty drive-through on the outskirts, claiming the town “cannot survive any more hardship.”

The scheme was given its first public airing in the town last Thursday, when the council's planning committee discussed Helston Pasty Company's application to turn the former Hilltop Garage on Sithney Common Hill into a pasty takeaway and shop for Cornish produce.

Members unanimously recommended that permission be refused, with concerns over an “unacceptable” increase in traffic, threat to highway safety and “significant” loss of amenities to neighbours, owing to fumes and odours, being among the reasons.

They also believed it would have a detrimental impact on the viability of the town centre.

It was a view that had already been championed by Horse and Jockey Bakery owner Brian Shore and his wife Juliet earlier in the meeting.

Mrs Shore, who set up the business with her husband 27 years ago and employs 22 people, said: “I'm here to speak for these people. They are worried about their jobs. Can anyone here tell me that another retail outlet selling food is going to do Helston town any good at all?

“Take into consideration the damage it's doing to the businesses in town who cannot survive any more hardship. When these people move on there will be nothing left in Helston.”

Her husband added it would “devastate” Helston and Porthleven.

Speaking on behalf of Helston Business Improvement Partnership was town centre manager Jonathan Birkett, who said: “We feel it could have a significant impact on growth and economic wellbeing.”

He added that members had “serious concerns” but if the application was passed by Cornwall Council the partnership would support any new business and look to work with it.

Mr Birkett asked that any money coming from the development, to offset its effect on the local economy - such as from Tesco and Sainsbury's - go to Helston as “that's where we feel the impact will be seen.”

Councillors also heard from Mr and Mrs Benson, who live adjacent to the site.

Their bungalow is 11 foot from the boundary of the proposed business and they were concerned about noise, the proximity of the cooking area, light and the amount of traffic that would build up while waiting for their pasties.

Although absent from the meeting, due to a holiday clash, town councillor Keith Reynolds wrote to say the application should be “refused without hesitation.”

He added: “An isolated rural area next to a dwelling should not be the location for any form of industrial manufacturing process, whether pasties or a glue factory.”

Mr Reynolds also pointed out that the businesses would only be accessible by vehicle as there were no cycle tracks of footpaths, making it an “extremely non-environmentally friendly form of retailing.”

There are 11 objections on Cornwall Council's website and one neutral comment, with none in support.

No representative of Helston Pasty Company was at the meeting, but on supporting documents with the planning application its agents Laurence Associates state: “Given the extent of the existing building and a prominent nature of the site, the applicants have aspirations that the site should become a showcase for the display and sale of Cornish produce. In this regard the applications believe that the site could become a tourist attraction in its own right.

“In this regard, there is a large open grassed area to the rear of the site, which is intended to be utilised as a family amenity for visitors to the site.”

They claimed that since the proposal first became public it had received “significant local support.”

It is stressed that this application was to establish the principle of such a development.

The document concedes that the visibility to the left, when existing the access onto the B3302, was “not considered to be particularly good,” so it was proposed to restrict this access to a one way “in only” access.

Addressing concerns over odours, Laurence Osborne, manager director of Laurence Associates, states that only pasties to be sold from the drive-through would be baked on site, with the rest just manufactured there and sent uncooked to shops.

“Nevertheless my clients are fully aware that appropriate odour control measures will need to be incorporated into the development,” he adds.

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7:20am Thu 25 Apr 13

telstar1962 says...

So just what would the Helston Town Councillors deem to be acceptable for this site ?
So just what would the Helston Town Councillors deem to be acceptable for this site ? telstar1962
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7:38am Thu 25 Apr 13

meerkats says...

What will the owners do with the site if they do not get permission? have they got a plan B i wonder.
What will the owners do with the site if they do not get permission? have they got a plan B i wonder. meerkats
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9:30am Thu 25 Apr 13

telstar1962 says...

Meerkats

A Vauxhall car dealership,with a years supply of pasties with every vehicle sold
Meerkats A Vauxhall car dealership,with a years supply of pasties with every vehicle sold telstar1962
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9:45am Thu 25 Apr 13

Carla1 says...

Turn the area into a car park and have a bus into Helston into the town Park and Drive, but the town would need to make the shops very attractive and the town smarten up so people will be encouraged to shop in Helston
Turn the area into a car park and have a bus into Helston into the town Park and Drive, but the town would need to make the shops very attractive and the town smarten up so people will be encouraged to shop in Helston Carla1
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10:42am Thu 25 Apr 13

meerkats says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Meerkats

A Vauxhall car dealership,with a years supply of pasties with every vehicle sold
lol.very good !!
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Meerkats A Vauxhall car dealership,with a years supply of pasties with every vehicle sold[/p][/quote]lol.very good !! meerkats
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10:49am Thu 25 Apr 13

telstar1962 says...

Excellent idea Carla1,but the old Vauxhall garage site is the wrong location.

My idea for Park and Ride would be the Future Village site nearby Premier Inn/TableTable

I e-mailed my thoughts on this to the Town Council Clerk a long time ago, only to have no response (not even an acknowledgment of receipt of my correspondence)

The Future Village site is large enough to have a development of small retail outlets,and the Park and Ride could be a two-way operation,taking people in and out of Town so that owners of businesses at both ends would benefit.

My idea is surely better than a derelict site on the edge of Town,which is also a prime site for another Supermarket like Morrisons.Helston is an expanding Town,but it is a terrible waste of land for this space to remain unoccupied indefinitely
Excellent idea Carla1,but the old Vauxhall garage site is the wrong location. My idea for Park and Ride would be the Future Village site nearby Premier Inn/TableTable I e-mailed my thoughts on this to the Town Council Clerk a long time ago, only to have no response (not even an acknowledgment of receipt of my correspondence) The Future Village site is large enough to have a development of small retail outlets,and the Park and Ride could be a two-way operation,taking people in and out of Town so that owners of businesses at both ends would benefit. My idea is surely better than a derelict site on the edge of Town,which is also a prime site for another Supermarket like Morrisons.Helston is an expanding Town,but it is a terrible waste of land for this space to remain unoccupied indefinitely telstar1962
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10:50am Thu 25 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Carla1 wrote:
Turn the area into a car park and have a bus into Helston into the town Park and Drive, but the town would need to make the shops very attractive and the town smarten up so people will be encouraged to shop in Helston
I think you possibly mean 'park and ride' The HBIP is currently smartening the town up.
[quote][p][bold]Carla1[/bold] wrote: Turn the area into a car park and have a bus into Helston into the town Park and Drive, but the town would need to make the shops very attractive and the town smarten up so people will be encouraged to shop in Helston[/p][/quote]I think you possibly mean 'park and ride' The HBIP is currently smartening the town up. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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10:56am Thu 25 Apr 13

meerkats says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Excellent idea Carla1,but the old Vauxhall garage site is the wrong location.

My idea for Park and Ride would be the Future Village site nearby Premier Inn/TableTable

I e-mailed my thoughts on this to the Town Council Clerk a long time ago, only to have no response (not even an acknowledgment of receipt of my correspondence)

The Future Village site is large enough to have a development of small retail outlets,and the Park and Ride could be a two-way operation,taking people in and out of Town so that owners of businesses at both ends would benefit.

My idea is surely better than a derelict site on the edge of Town,which is also a prime site for another Supermarket like Morrisons.Helston is an expanding Town,but it is a terrible waste of land for this space to remain unoccupied indefinitely
Its about time the Future Village site is used for some sort of retail premises ,at the moment its just being used for dog owners to exercise their dogs. There was a rumour recently that Morrisons were coming to Helston but nothing confirmed.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Excellent idea Carla1,but the old Vauxhall garage site is the wrong location. My idea for Park and Ride would be the Future Village site nearby Premier Inn/TableTable I e-mailed my thoughts on this to the Town Council Clerk a long time ago, only to have no response (not even an acknowledgment of receipt of my correspondence) The Future Village site is large enough to have a development of small retail outlets,and the Park and Ride could be a two-way operation,taking people in and out of Town so that owners of businesses at both ends would benefit. My idea is surely better than a derelict site on the edge of Town,which is also a prime site for another Supermarket like Morrisons.Helston is an expanding Town,but it is a terrible waste of land for this space to remain unoccupied indefinitely[/p][/quote]Its about time the Future Village site is used for some sort of retail premises ,at the moment its just being used for dog owners to exercise their dogs. There was a rumour recently that Morrisons were coming to Helston but nothing confirmed. meerkats
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10:59am Thu 25 Apr 13

meerkats says...

Carla1 wrote:
Turn the area into a car park and have a bus into Helston into the town Park and Drive, but the town would need to make the shops very attractive and the town smarten up so people will be encouraged to shop in Helston
The town has been smartened up a lot recently ,litter picks,weeding etc, pressure washing and shop fronts painted ,thanks to the HBIP,getting volunteers together to do it. You can certainly see the results of their hard work.
[quote][p][bold]Carla1[/bold] wrote: Turn the area into a car park and have a bus into Helston into the town Park and Drive, but the town would need to make the shops very attractive and the town smarten up so people will be encouraged to shop in Helston[/p][/quote]The town has been smartened up a lot recently ,litter picks,weeding etc, pressure washing and shop fronts painted ,thanks to the HBIP,getting volunteers together to do it. You can certainly see the results of their hard work. meerkats
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11:03am Thu 25 Apr 13

telstar1962 says...

Yes Gillian, the shop fronts are being painted, and thats very good.

But there is nothing actually happening to physically attract people into the Town

I suggest the Town does need Park and Ride. It works very well in many,many other Towns across the UK.

I understand yet another parking survey is to be undertaken by the experts, but until you improve accessibility,into and out of the Town, the same old problems will remain
Yes Gillian, the shop fronts are being painted, and thats very good. But there is nothing actually happening to physically attract people into the Town I suggest the Town does need Park and Ride. It works very well in many,many other Towns across the UK. I understand yet another parking survey is to be undertaken by the experts, but until you improve accessibility,into and out of the Town, the same old problems will remain telstar1962
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11:52am Thu 25 Apr 13

Carla1 says...

Hello to Telstar1962 Your comment and not having a reply just shows that those who would be councillors and supposedly interested in the town of Helston do not take the interest which would be beneficial for the town. This why there is the lack of visitors locals and tourists because the twon apart from Flora Day has nothing lively and attractive to bring people in. EG people are cleaning up the town for Flora but there is the rest of the year when no effort is made. I suggested having themes in shops perhaps History or Art or Hats or Teddies so there is a community of shop keepers making a collective effort and connecting in a neighbourly way to make a pleasing atmosphere. Saying that, that is what is lacking an atmosphere of welcome for the every day shopper.Helston town is dormant, only, being awake for one day a year.
Hello to Telstar1962 Your comment and not having a reply just shows that those who would be councillors and supposedly interested in the town of Helston do not take the interest which would be beneficial for the town. This why there is the lack of visitors locals and tourists because the twon apart from Flora Day has nothing lively and attractive to bring people in. EG people are cleaning up the town for Flora but there is the rest of the year when no effort is made. I suggested having themes in shops perhaps History or Art or Hats or Teddies so there is a community of shop keepers making a collective effort and connecting in a neighbourly way to make a pleasing atmosphere. Saying that, that is what is lacking an atmosphere of welcome for the every day shopper.Helston town is dormant, only, being awake for one day a year. Carla1
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1:42pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Yes Gillian, the shop fronts are being painted, and thats very good.

But there is nothing actually happening to physically attract people into the Town

I suggest the Town does need Park and Ride. It works very well in many,many other Towns across the UK.

I understand yet another parking survey is to be undertaken by the experts, but until you improve accessibility,into and out of the Town, the same old problems will remain
I agree about a park and ride, I think it should be like the Falmouth one that stops at various places in the town, that way it could cover the Helston business park area/May Tree, and the Fairground car-park.

The markets are supposed to be attracting people into the town and that is why I believe the old Vauxhall garage should not be granted permission for change of use to sell local produce and pasties. The market sells local produce and goods, along with the town shops. In my view what is the point spending allocated section 106 money on projects to offset the detrimental effect on trade in the town caused by the out of town supermarkets, if the council then grant permission for something that could possibly cause a detrimental effect to those projects in town that have just had money injected into them to enhance trade in the town.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Yes Gillian, the shop fronts are being painted, and thats very good. But there is nothing actually happening to physically attract people into the Town I suggest the Town does need Park and Ride. It works very well in many,many other Towns across the UK. I understand yet another parking survey is to be undertaken by the experts, but until you improve accessibility,into and out of the Town, the same old problems will remain[/p][/quote]I agree about a park and ride, I think it should be like the Falmouth one that stops at various places in the town, that way it could cover the Helston business park area/May Tree, and the Fairground car-park. The markets are supposed to be attracting people into the town and that is why I believe the old Vauxhall garage should not be granted permission for change of use to sell local produce and pasties. The market sells local produce and goods, along with the town shops. In my view what is the point spending allocated section 106 money on projects to offset the detrimental effect on trade in the town caused by the out of town supermarkets, if the council then grant permission for something that could possibly cause a detrimental effect to those projects in town that have just had money injected into them to enhance trade in the town. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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7:49am Sat 27 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Incidentally Helston does not solely rely on Flora day to encourage people into the town, there is the Penrose art centre, the museum, there were events leading up to Christmas, including the lights switch on, markets, the Coronation lake centenary event, events held within the pubs etc.
Incidentally Helston does not solely rely on Flora day to encourage people into the town, there is the Penrose art centre, the museum, there were events leading up to Christmas, including the lights switch on, markets, the Coronation lake centenary event, events held within the pubs etc. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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8:14am Sat 27 Apr 13

telstar1962 says...

I agree that there is a lot which is positive happening in Town to attract 'footfall', however, my point earlier was to say the nuts and bolts/logistics of actually making it easier for bodies to be transported into and out of Town should be speeded up.

How long is it until this next Transport/Car Park survey is complete? Has it started ? When it is complete,how long after that will the results be known? And how long after that will meetings be held,and sub-committee meetings be held to discuss......

I presume if the County planners give the green light to the Pasty Factory and Tourist Attraction,they will then request the owners to set aside funds for the Town Centre due to the harm and loss of business this would cause small businesses ?

I also think more emphasis should be placed on Due Diligence on certain planning applications such as this one at Hill Top Garage, due to previous alledged poor business practices of local companies in this instance
I agree that there is a lot which is positive happening in Town to attract 'footfall', however, my point earlier was to say the nuts and bolts/logistics of actually making it easier for bodies to be transported into and out of Town should be speeded up. How long is it until this next Transport/Car Park survey is complete? Has it started ? When it is complete,how long after that will the results be known? And how long after that will meetings be held,and sub-committee meetings be held to discuss...... I presume if the County planners give the green light to the Pasty Factory and Tourist Attraction,they will then request the owners to set aside funds for the Town Centre due to the harm and loss of business this would cause small businesses ? I also think more emphasis should be placed on Due Diligence on certain planning applications such as this one at Hill Top Garage, due to previous alledged poor business practices of local companies in this instance telstar1962
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2:53pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I agree telstar re car-parking/ transport surveys, Cornwall Councils parking advisory panel have already conducted car-parking surveys all over the county including Helston, could some information not be sourced from them.
As for bus services, the current bus service provider for routes from villages on the Lizard into Helston have improved to a certain degree since such time as I met with Firsts regional customer services manager, however, I personally believe there is still an issue regarding sufficient disabled access on some buses.
A park and ride would be an excellent addition to Helston.

With reference to planning permission for Hill Top garage, I believe Cornwall Council have to draw the line somewhere, it is surely not practicable to keep granting planning permission with clauses that the applicants set aside money for the town, as I posted previously, the town is currently spending 106 money on projects such as the markets and the good work will likely suffer a set back if more competion is allowed. Without wishing to sound negative it could be like fighting a losing battle in the end.

There are already industrial units in Helston for the manufacture of goods, surely any manufacturing outlet should be confined to these areas, not on the outskirts of the town visible on the highway and general landscape.
The HBIP has spent time and effort cleaning up the town, and I believe any drive through food outlet will inevitably see an increase in rubbish within the surrounding areas, which is another reason I feel planning should be refused.
I agree telstar re car-parking/ transport surveys, Cornwall Councils parking advisory panel have already conducted car-parking surveys all over the county including Helston, could some information not be sourced from them. As for bus services, the current bus service provider for routes from villages on the Lizard into Helston have improved to a certain degree since such time as I met with Firsts regional customer services manager, however, I personally believe there is still an issue regarding sufficient disabled access on some buses. A park and ride would be an excellent addition to Helston. With reference to planning permission for Hill Top garage, I believe Cornwall Council have to draw the line somewhere, it is surely not practicable to keep granting planning permission with clauses that the applicants set aside money for the town, as I posted previously, the town is currently spending 106 money on projects such as the markets and the good work will likely suffer a set back if more competion is allowed. Without wishing to sound negative it could be like fighting a losing battle in the end. There are already industrial units in Helston for the manufacture of goods, surely any manufacturing outlet should be confined to these areas, not on the outskirts of the town visible on the highway and general landscape. The HBIP has spent time and effort cleaning up the town, and I believe any drive through food outlet will inevitably see an increase in rubbish within the surrounding areas, which is another reason I feel planning should be refused. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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2:53pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I agree telstar re car-parking/ transport surveys, Cornwall Councils parking advisory panel have already conducted car-parking surveys all over the county including Helston, could some information not be sourced from them.
As for bus services, the current bus service provider for routes from villages on the Lizard into Helston have improved to a certain degree since such time as I met with Firsts regional customer services manager, however, I personally believe there is still an issue regarding sufficient disabled access on some buses.
A park and ride would be an excellent addition to Helston.

With reference to planning permission for Hill Top garage, I believe Cornwall Council have to draw the line somewhere, it is surely not practicable to keep granting planning permission with clauses that the applicants set aside money for the town, as I posted previously, the town is currently spending 106 money on projects such as the markets and the good work will likely suffer a set back if more competion is allowed. Without wishing to sound negative it could be like fighting a losing battle in the end.

There are already industrial units in Helston for the manufacture of goods, surely any manufacturing outlet should be confined to these areas, not on the outskirts of the town visible on the highway and general landscape.
The HBIP has spent time and effort cleaning up the town, and I believe any drive through food outlet will inevitably see an increase in rubbish within the surrounding areas, which is another reason I feel planning should be refused.
I agree telstar re car-parking/ transport surveys, Cornwall Councils parking advisory panel have already conducted car-parking surveys all over the county including Helston, could some information not be sourced from them. As for bus services, the current bus service provider for routes from villages on the Lizard into Helston have improved to a certain degree since such time as I met with Firsts regional customer services manager, however, I personally believe there is still an issue regarding sufficient disabled access on some buses. A park and ride would be an excellent addition to Helston. With reference to planning permission for Hill Top garage, I believe Cornwall Council have to draw the line somewhere, it is surely not practicable to keep granting planning permission with clauses that the applicants set aside money for the town, as I posted previously, the town is currently spending 106 money on projects such as the markets and the good work will likely suffer a set back if more competion is allowed. Without wishing to sound negative it could be like fighting a losing battle in the end. There are already industrial units in Helston for the manufacture of goods, surely any manufacturing outlet should be confined to these areas, not on the outskirts of the town visible on the highway and general landscape. The HBIP has spent time and effort cleaning up the town, and I believe any drive through food outlet will inevitably see an increase in rubbish within the surrounding areas, which is another reason I feel planning should be refused. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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3:03pm Sat 27 Apr 13

meerkats says...

The rubbish at the top of Meneage Road from spar ,since the subway opened is terrible ,the pavements are strewn with the wrappers and coffee cups. There are bins in the area ,but you wouldnt think so , so i agree that litter would be a problem from a drive through outlet too.I think the HBIP has done well in sprucing up the town and its a positive start to improve Helston, but things take time and wont happen over night and i think Carla1 's comment is quite negative. Helston is not just about one day..
The rubbish at the top of Meneage Road from spar ,since the subway opened is terrible ,the pavements are strewn with the wrappers and coffee cups. There are bins in the area ,but you wouldnt think so , so i agree that litter would be a problem from a drive through outlet too.I think the HBIP has done well in sprucing up the town and its a positive start to improve Helston, but things take time and wont happen over night and i think Carla1 's comment is quite negative. Helston is not just about one day.. meerkats
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3:31pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Yes you are right meerkats, I've picked some of that rubbish up when I've been walking in the vicinity. I saw the wall being whitewashed today up there, it looks very good. There has been an awful lot of hard work carried out in Helston. As they say, (whoever 'they' are) Rome wasn't built in a day.
Carla says "lacking an atmosphere of welcome for the everyday shopper" I have to say that I personally have always found the shops welcoming.
Yes you are right meerkats, I've picked some of that rubbish up when I've been walking in the vicinity. I saw the wall being whitewashed today up there, it looks very good. There has been an awful lot of hard work carried out in Helston. As they say, (whoever 'they' are) Rome wasn't built in a day. Carla says "lacking an atmosphere of welcome for the everyday shopper" I have to say that I personally have always found the shops welcoming. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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4:46pm Sat 27 Apr 13

telstar1962 says...

Gillian,yesterday I also saw an elderly lady who looked like she was over 80 years of age, painting her own garden wall in Meneage Road near the launderette.
Gillian,yesterday I also saw an elderly lady who looked like she was over 80 years of age, painting her own garden wall in Meneage Road near the launderette. telstar1962
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5:05pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

That's good, she obviously takes a pride in her property.
That's good, she obviously takes a pride in her property. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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5:10pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

As far as I believe, the rotary club raised money to enable them to whitewash some of the walls in Helston, (if I am wrong please do correct me) I have no idea who the walls belong to, but if it improves the approach into Helston and anywhere else in Helston then surely that is a good thing.
As far as I believe, the rotary club raised money to enable them to whitewash some of the walls in Helston, (if I am wrong please do correct me) I have no idea who the walls belong to, but if it improves the approach into Helston and anywhere else in Helston then surely that is a good thing. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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6:27pm Sat 27 Apr 13

meerkats says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Gillian,yesterday I also saw an elderly lady who looked like she was over 80 years of age, painting her own garden wall in Meneage Road near the launderette.
i have just seen her , and she is giving it a 2nd coat. Obviously takes a lot of pride in her work.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Gillian,yesterday I also saw an elderly lady who looked like she was over 80 years of age, painting her own garden wall in Meneage Road near the launderette.[/p][/quote]i have just seen her , and she is giving it a 2nd coat. Obviously takes a lot of pride in her work. meerkats
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6:31pm Sat 27 Apr 13

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
As far as I believe, the rotary club raised money to enable them to whitewash some of the walls in Helston, (if I am wrong please do correct me) I have no idea who the walls belong to, but if it improves the approach into Helston and anywhere else in Helston then surely that is a good thing.
I know one of the vets from Head and Heads played a major fundraising role to enable the wall to be painted ,but dont know if it was in liason with the rotary club or not. They have done well today and its nearly back to what it used to be .well done to all involved
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: As far as I believe, the rotary club raised money to enable them to whitewash some of the walls in Helston, (if I am wrong please do correct me) I have no idea who the walls belong to, but if it improves the approach into Helston and anywhere else in Helston then surely that is a good thing.[/p][/quote]I know one of the vets from Head and Heads played a major fundraising role to enable the wall to be painted ,but dont know if it was in liason with the rotary club or not. They have done well today and its nearly back to what it used to be .well done to all involved meerkats
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6:42pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Carla1 says...

Does anyone know how many visitor tourists visit Helston through the summer and tourist season? Annually in the last 5 years? Does anyone know how many local people use shops in Helston?
Does anyone know how many visitor tourists visit Helston through the summer and tourist season? Annually in the last 5 years? Does anyone know how many local people use shops in Helston? Carla1
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8:16pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I would imagine with all the new builds that the population in Helston now just exceeds ten thousand, how many of those shop locally I wouldn't think anyone could know, unless the shops were to ask every individual customer where they originate from.
I shop in Helston town centre, but then how local is local? I don't live in Helston town but do have Helston in my address.
As for tourists, I would imagine Flora day attracts in excess of twenty thousand alone, each year but who knows how many are locals and how many are visitors unless you surveyed them, and not all surveys are accurate.
I would imagine with all the new builds that the population in Helston now just exceeds ten thousand, how many of those shop locally I wouldn't think anyone could know, unless the shops were to ask every individual customer where they originate from. I shop in Helston town centre, but then how local is local? I don't live in Helston town but do have Helston in my address. As for tourists, I would imagine Flora day attracts in excess of twenty thousand alone, each year but who knows how many are locals and how many are visitors unless you surveyed them, and not all surveys are accurate. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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8:21pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

You could gather data from the hotels and B&BS, camp sites etc I suppose, but that wouldn't account for tourists in camper vans that don't park on camp sites etc.
You could gather data from the hotels and B&BS, camp sites etc I suppose, but that wouldn't account for tourists in camper vans that don't park on camp sites etc. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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9:38pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

On my way home from Porthleven tonight, I noticed they have started painting the wall white alongside Coronation Park, looks good.
On my way home from Porthleven tonight, I noticed they have started painting the wall white alongside Coronation Park, looks good. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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10:29pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I think Carla's idea of themed displays such as hats, teddies etc would be good, but possibly too expensive to initiate.
I think Carla's idea of themed displays such as hats, teddies etc would be good, but possibly too expensive to initiate. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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3:51pm Sun 28 Apr 13

meerkats says...

just noticed they have finished the white wall at Meneage Road, looking good , a brilliant improvement, well done to the painters.
just noticed they have finished the white wall at Meneage Road, looking good , a brilliant improvement, well done to the painters. meerkats
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12:16pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Carla1 says...

Themes would not be expensive if people brought to their shops their own hats and things collected historic and their own teddies.Also if they promoted having in their shops, works by local artists.
Themes would not be expensive if people brought to their shops their own hats and things collected historic and their own teddies.Also if they promoted having in their shops, works by local artists. Carla1
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12:34pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I understand what you mean now Carla, sounds good, not sure how it would affect insurance policies having other people's things on the shops though, regarding damage of theft.
I understand what you mean now Carla, sounds good, not sure how it would affect insurance policies having other people's things on the shops though, regarding damage of theft. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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12:41pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I've got a teddy called 'Charity' they can borrow her if they like, providing they put her to bed at night.
I've got a teddy called 'Charity' they can borrow her if they like, providing they put her to bed at night. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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12:53pm Mon 29 Apr 13

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I've got a teddy called 'Charity' they can borrow her if they like, providing they put her to bed at night.
I have a panda called patsy ,that i have had for 43 years ,not quite historic, would be an interesting idea to have hats ,teddies etc ,but i dont think many men would be interested in looking at them, but i suppose there are enough pubs to keep them happy.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I've got a teddy called 'Charity' they can borrow her if they like, providing they put her to bed at night.[/p][/quote]I have a panda called patsy ,that i have had for 43 years ,not quite historic, would be an interesting idea to have hats ,teddies etc ,but i dont think many men would be interested in looking at them, but i suppose there are enough pubs to keep them happy. meerkats
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9:34pm Mon 29 Apr 13

CousinJack says...

How will a drive through pasty shop reduce footfall to the town centre? Would a McDonalds be objected to in the same way?
I think two completely different customer profiles are being purposely confused for some political purpose.

Small towns shopping centres are dying because of supermarkets, and there is absolutely nothing that can be done to stop this now that this is the accepted covenience retail model.

PS Does anyone actually like park and ride schemes? If I can't drive to where I want to get I wouldn't go there, ok I may pay premium for parking and take a little longer to get in and out, but no siting waiting for bus and then sitting in bus as it slowly rambles to car park (mutliple stops make this even more unattractive). Or I could just order on line.
How will a drive through pasty shop reduce footfall to the town centre? Would a McDonalds be objected to in the same way? I think two completely different customer profiles are being purposely confused for some political purpose. Small towns shopping centres are dying because of supermarkets, and there is absolutely nothing that can be done to stop this now that this is the accepted covenience retail model. PS Does anyone actually like park and ride schemes? If I can't drive to where I want to get I wouldn't go there, ok I may pay premium for parking and take a little longer to get in and out, but no siting waiting for bus and then sitting in bus as it slowly rambles to car park (mutliple stops make this even more unattractive). Or I could just order on line. CousinJack
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10:04pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I have no political agenda whatsoever.

I do like the shuttle bus in Falmouth because it allows one to park at a reasonable cost, hassle free and pay a small fee for the shuttle bus and be able to use it all day and stop off at different points in the town. I additionally like the park and ride at Truro. Many people like park and ride schemes and use them, if they did not then they would not be financially viable to keep in service.
I have no political agenda whatsoever. I do like the shuttle bus in Falmouth because it allows one to park at a reasonable cost, hassle free and pay a small fee for the shuttle bus and be able to use it all day and stop off at different points in the town. I additionally like the park and ride at Truro. Many people like park and ride schemes and use them, if they did not then they would not be financially viable to keep in service. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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1:49pm Tue 30 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Incidentally, Mc Donald's, had it applied for planning at the old Vauxhall garage, would not have been selling local produce in a shop or pasties which would compete with town and market trade.
Maccy Ds provide a completely alternative menu to that of which is available in the town or markets, even their chips vary from those at fish and chip takeaways. Pasties are sold in approximately five outlets in the town and the market stalls sell local produce.
Incidentally, Mc Donald's, had it applied for planning at the old Vauxhall garage, would not have been selling local produce in a shop or pasties which would compete with town and market trade. Maccy Ds provide a completely alternative menu to that of which is available in the town or markets, even their chips vary from those at fish and chip takeaways. Pasties are sold in approximately five outlets in the town and the market stalls sell local produce. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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1:54pm Tue 30 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Reading all the objections on Cornwall Councils website under planning, I can't see any political agenda from anyone.
Reading all the objections on Cornwall Councils website under planning, I can't see any political agenda from anyone. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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2:26pm Tue 30 Apr 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

For all those in favour, I wouldn't worry anyway about those that air their personal thoughts on objection, myself being one of those to object, because I no doubt the eventuality will be that it will be granted planning permission anyway after any initial issues are resolved.
For all those in favour, I wouldn't worry anyway about those that air their personal thoughts on objection, myself being one of those to object, because I no doubt the eventuality will be that it will be granted planning permission anyway after any initial issues are resolved. Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: 1

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