Student flats plan for Falmouth industrial estate

Falmouth Packet: The proposals are for land to the south of Bickland Park football ground The proposals are for land to the south of Bickland Park football ground

A developer's plan to house 200 students on a Falmouth industrial estate has not found favour with Cornwall Council officers.

Andrew Risely, of Penryn-based Sustainable Developments (SW) Limited, requested pre-application advice from Cornwall Council on his proposals to build student flats on land to the north of Tregoniggie Industrial Estate.

Office space and a coffee shop - part of a so-called "private Innovation Centre" - are also part of the scheme.

The site earmarked for development currently stands vacant but was given permission for 42 modern "live/work" apartments back in 2005, which could be used by artists, sculptors, photographers and other live-at-home workers. 

Yet Mark Dawes, of CAD Architects Ltd, argues in his supporting statement for Mr Risely that "the development as designed will be disproportionately expensive to fund" as it was "conceived in a wholly different economic climate."

"With constant pressure on existing residential resources, Falmouth Town Council have been considering an Article 4 Direction to give control over the siting of student accommodation," Mr Dawes said.

"[New student flats] will help ease pressure on existing resources and diminish the need for an Article 4."

"The availability of accomodation to non-students is creating difficulty," he added.

Mark Ball, principal development officer for Cornwall Council, was not swayed by these arguments.

"The principal concern is whether this edge of town site is an appropriate location for student accommodation," he said.

"The development of student accomodation here cannot be supported because of the employment aspirations for the site and the remoteness of the site in terms of the lack of accessibility to essential services and facilities offered by the town centre."

A similar pre-application enquiry in August 2011 was also rejected by the council on the grounds that the site was not close enough to the two main university campuses and would take up land that could be used for "employment sites."

A full planning application has yet to be submitted.

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5:21pm Mon 6 May 13

guest01 says...

Students don't pay council tax..
Council doesn't approve?
Students don't pay council tax.. Council doesn't approve? guest01

5:54pm Mon 6 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

The council are paid from central government for loss of council tax from students.
The council are paid from central government for loss of council tax from students. Gillian Zella Martin 09

6:13pm Mon 6 May 13

kernow girl says...

falmouth has been more than generous giving its land up for student accomodation.If the field has to be built on than surely it should be for the residents of Falmouth,those born and brought up here.
falmouth has been more than generous giving its land up for student accomodation.If the field has to be built on than surely it should be for the residents of Falmouth,those born and brought up here. kernow girl

7:36pm Mon 6 May 13

victoriameldrew says...

well if the planning does go through I hope the building is more sympathetic than the monstrosity that was built at Penryn station - those buildings are an absolute disgrace, too close to the road, making it very narrow and simply ugly! As are the ones near Falmouth docks - how were they allowed to be built?
well if the planning does go through I hope the building is more sympathetic than the monstrosity that was built at Penryn station - those buildings are an absolute disgrace, too close to the road, making it very narrow and simply ugly! As are the ones near Falmouth docks - how were they allowed to be built? victoriameldrew

8:36pm Mon 6 May 13

seacom says...

Hopefully with new county councillors on board now an Article 4 can be obtained for Falmouth.This scheme could be the tip of an iceberg far better to continue provision of accomodation on campus .
Hopefully with new county councillors on board now an Article 4 can be obtained for Falmouth.This scheme could be the tip of an iceberg far better to continue provision of accomodation on campus . seacom

9:22pm Mon 6 May 13

ucsweb says...

"Falmouth has been more than generous giving its land up for student accommodation." Well said kernow girl, and for retirement / homes for all the people who want to move here.
Until someone sorts out a large percentage of the "local" housing problem then I believe that additional student housing in the community and retirement homes for people from outside Cornwall should be stopped.
Cornwall Council, get your heads out of the sand. Give us Article 4 and any other powers to stem the flood, before it is too late and Falmouth and Penryn become only student and retirement towns!
"Falmouth has been more than generous giving its land up for student accommodation." Well said kernow girl, and for retirement / homes for all the people who want to move here. Until someone sorts out a large percentage of the "local" housing problem then I believe that additional student housing in the community and retirement homes for people from outside Cornwall should be stopped. Cornwall Council, get your heads out of the sand. Give us Article 4 and any other powers to stem the flood, before it is too late and Falmouth and Penryn become only student and retirement towns! ucsweb

11:01pm Mon 6 May 13

Lanty Slee says...

What ever happened to the 300 houses they were going to build across the road there on Bickland Hill?

Personally I agree with the need for an Article 4 direction for Falmouth (and Penryn!), but student flats shoved out of the way on an industrial estate doesn't sound like too bad an idea to me.

Maybe they could get the new Sainsbury's supermarket to build some subpar student accommodation on any land that's left over from their new Ponsharden store as well?

No one in their right mind would want a house down there, so why not shove the students there instead?
What ever happened to the 300 houses they were going to build across the road there on Bickland Hill? Personally I agree with the need for an Article 4 direction for Falmouth (and Penryn!), but student flats shoved out of the way on an industrial estate doesn't sound like too bad an idea to me. Maybe they could get the new Sainsbury's supermarket to build some subpar student accommodation on any land that's left over from their new Ponsharden store as well? No one in their right mind would want a house down there, so why not shove the students there instead? Lanty Slee

1:03am Tue 7 May 13

guest01 says...

If the docks were closed down, that area of land could provide accommodation for thousands of people.
It would be a great asset to the town.
And also the coastal part could be retail, a new part of the high-street. One where the public can actually walk next to the sea and not in the dark shadow for most of the year.
If the docks were closed down, that area of land could provide accommodation for thousands of people. It would be a great asset to the town. And also the coastal part could be retail, a new part of the high-street. One where the public can actually walk next to the sea and not in the dark shadow for most of the year. guest01

8:56am Tue 7 May 13

GrahamHarris says...

If permission was originally given for 42 apartments, how on Earth does a developer now think he can get 200 people in there??? Stupidity or greed or both?
If permission was originally given for 42 apartments, how on Earth does a developer now think he can get 200 people in there??? Stupidity or greed or both? GrahamHarris

11:33am Tue 7 May 13

ucsweb says...

GrahamHarris,
Have you never noticed that the more times a planning application is presented, the more likely it is to be passed. And that it is easier to expand on existing permission for a smaller build.
The reason is always the same- it will help solve the housing problem.
But, it never does!
GrahamHarris, Have you never noticed that the more times a planning application is presented, the more likely it is to be passed. And that it is easier to expand on existing permission for a smaller build. The reason is always the same- it will help solve the housing problem. But, it never does! ucsweb

12:22pm Tue 7 May 13

guest01 says...

42 apartments with shared facilities can hold 200 students. Just needs redesign for communal areas.
42 apartments with shared facilities can hold 200 students. Just needs redesign for communal areas. guest01

1:51pm Tue 7 May 13

GrahamHarris says...

Hells bells, they may as well just park a de-commissioned submarine there and let them all have a bunk bed!!!
Hells bells, they may as well just park a de-commissioned submarine there and let them all have a bunk bed!!! GrahamHarris

11:43pm Tue 7 May 13

Lanty Slee says...

That's a really good idea Graham.

Best make sure it is properly decommissioned though - we all know what those crafty students can be like.
That's a really good idea Graham. Best make sure it is properly decommissioned though - we all know what those crafty students can be like. Lanty Slee

10:59am Wed 8 May 13

MARTIN GILL says...

The land in question ought to be used for Industrial purposes, seeing as it is slap bang next to Tregoniggie Estate anyway.
We don't want Students crawling all over Budock Water thank you very much. Its bad enough having a University close by, as i think it should have been built at Pool in the first place anyway.
The land in question ought to be used for Industrial purposes, seeing as it is slap bang next to Tregoniggie Estate anyway. We don't want Students crawling all over Budock Water thank you very much. Its bad enough having a University close by, as i think it should have been built at Pool in the first place anyway. MARTIN GILL

3:01pm Wed 8 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Whatever the land should or should not be used for, an anti student mentality is of no use to anyone. The university is there and it's staying there.
Whatever the land should or should not be used for, an anti student mentality is of no use to anyone. The university is there and it's staying there. Gillian Zella Martin 09

4:31pm Wed 8 May 13

Tyrone Shulace says...

Martin Gill, i preferred the name omdurman it was more original. Not very good at originality are you because there is no Martin Gill registered for Budock Water.
What makes you think students would want to "crawl all over Budock Water"
I live in Helston and wouldn't go near Budock Water if you paid me, if the residents have the nimby, predudicial attitude that you obviously have i doubt anyone with any sense would go there. so you are quite safe in your ivory tower.
Better get the Conservatives out with their magic wands to keep you in your insulated environment. And no i dont think they should build university apartments there, but i hope they build plenty of homes for people in Budock Water. The Conservative manifesto is build build build and all in Cornwall so get used to it.
Martin Gill, i preferred the name omdurman it was more original. Not very good at originality are you because there is no Martin Gill registered for Budock Water. What makes you think students would want to "crawl all over Budock Water" I live in Helston and wouldn't go near Budock Water if you paid me, if the residents have the nimby, predudicial attitude that you obviously have i doubt anyone with any sense would go there. so you are quite safe in your ivory tower. Better get the Conservatives out with their magic wands to keep you in your insulated environment. And no i dont think they should build university apartments there, but i hope they build plenty of homes for people in Budock Water. The Conservative manifesto is build build build and all in Cornwall so get used to it. Tyrone Shulace

6:17pm Wed 8 May 13

guest01 says...

Tyrone you are not able to obtain a list of residents in an area.
I hope you are not referring to the electoral list, which is incomplete and only refers to those who have optioned to be made visible.

If you did have access to a full database you would actually be breaking the law by revealing in public private data about someone.
Tyrone you are not able to obtain a list of residents in an area. I hope you are not referring to the electoral list, which is incomplete and only refers to those who have optioned to be made visible. If you did have access to a full database you would actually be breaking the law by revealing in public private data about someone. guest01

7:06pm Wed 8 May 13

ereinoesyou says...

guest01 wrote:
If the docks were closed down, that area of land could provide accommodation for thousands of people.
It would be a great asset to the town.
And also the coastal part could be retail, a new part of the high-street. One where the public can actually walk next to the sea and not in the dark shadow for most of the year.
Would you stop with the anti docks mentality... do you know how many jobs the docks supports? Remove the docks and there would be no need to build new housing as there would be mass unemployment and no one would be able to afford them, well no one local anyway.
[quote][p][bold]guest01[/bold] wrote: If the docks were closed down, that area of land could provide accommodation for thousands of people. It would be a great asset to the town. And also the coastal part could be retail, a new part of the high-street. One where the public can actually walk next to the sea and not in the dark shadow for most of the year.[/p][/quote]Would you stop with the anti docks mentality... do you know how many jobs the docks supports? Remove the docks and there would be no need to build new housing as there would be mass unemployment and no one would be able to afford them, well no one local anyway. ereinoesyou

7:24pm Wed 8 May 13

Tyrone Shulace says...

Ooooh is someone worried lol
I had a guest once that outstayed their welcome.
guest01 i think you always seem to be going on about whats legal and what isnt, how did you get on with your legal action that you said you could take against a couple of other commenters lol dont remember them retracting their statements lol
I am perfectly law abiding thank you, unlike some people.
MARTIN GILL i think is a user name, get real, i think its so blatant. What concern is it of yours anyway !!!!!!. Go waste your legal blah blah blah with someone else it is wasted on me, you seem to have a knack of getting on my nerves i am surprised anyone bothers to debate with you, oh thats right most dont i think. Before i 'wave' goodbye to this website let me name a few you i think you have irritated, LBFS, victoriameldrew, GZM, meerkats etc etc etc titanium said you were a stirrer, i think titanium is right.
Thought i would give this website a try again but wished i hadn't bothered, its still the same with guest01 and people like 'MARTIN GILL'

Look forward to seeing all the building taking place in Falmouth courtesy of the Conservatives and look forward to the new influx of students.

I think you always have to have last word like a petulant teenager, but
don't bother with any 'i know it all' 'i am always right' reply guest because im gone from this website for good. Oh one last thing, i read the comments on the cruise ships article and victoria meldrew was right, you and your blah blah blah.
Ooooh is someone worried lol I had a guest once that outstayed their welcome. guest01 i think you always seem to be going on about whats legal and what isnt, how did you get on with your legal action that you said you could take against a couple of other commenters lol dont remember them retracting their statements lol I am perfectly law abiding thank you, unlike some people. MARTIN GILL i think is a user name, get real, i think its so blatant. What concern is it of yours anyway !!!!!!. Go waste your legal blah blah blah with someone else it is wasted on me, you seem to have a knack of getting on my nerves i am surprised anyone bothers to debate with you, oh thats right most dont i think. Before i 'wave' goodbye to this website let me name a few you i think you have irritated, LBFS, victoriameldrew, GZM, meerkats etc etc etc titanium said you were a stirrer, i think titanium is right. Thought i would give this website a try again but wished i hadn't bothered, its still the same with guest01 and people like 'MARTIN GILL' Look forward to seeing all the building taking place in Falmouth courtesy of the Conservatives and look forward to the new influx of students. I think you always have to have last word like a petulant teenager, but don't bother with any 'i know it all' 'i am always right' reply guest because im gone from this website for good. Oh one last thing, i read the comments on the cruise ships article and victoria meldrew was right, you and your blah blah blah. Tyrone Shulace

9:49pm Wed 8 May 13

LonyTilly says...

I think I've just wet myself laughing. Some of these comments are so funny and narrow minded.

"The development of student accomodation here cannot be supported because of the employment aspirations for the site and the remoteness of the site in terms of the lack of accessibility to essential services and facilities offered by the town centre."

WHAT A LOAD OF TOSH !! ''aspirations ??'' - they've had 8 years since original planning!! ''remoteness ??'' - its closer to Falmouth than the Penryn sites!!

'' .. would take up land that could be used for "employment sites." So COULD every field in Cornwall!!

'' ... distance to the campus ..etc'' Students have cars thus the parking problem in Penryn.

'' .. crawl over Budock??'' WHAT !!! Most students have a brain cell and only part of one is required to work out what a avoidable place Budock is. BUT I bet the pub landlord wouldn't mind ??

Why can't we work with the students and Uni not try to alienate them. Unbelievable.
I think I've just wet myself laughing. Some of these comments are so funny and narrow minded. "The development of student accomodation here cannot be supported because of the employment aspirations for the site and the remoteness of the site in terms of the lack of accessibility to essential services and facilities offered by the town centre." WHAT A LOAD OF TOSH !! ''aspirations ??'' - they've had 8 years since original planning!! ''remoteness ??'' - its closer to Falmouth than the Penryn sites!! '' .. would take up land that could be used for "employment sites." So COULD every field in Cornwall!! '' ... distance to the campus ..etc'' Students have cars thus the parking problem in Penryn. '' .. crawl over Budock??'' WHAT !!! Most students have a brain cell and only part of one is required to work out what a avoidable place Budock is. BUT I bet the pub landlord wouldn't mind ?? Why can't we work with the students and Uni not try to alienate them. Unbelievable. LonyTilly

10:13pm Wed 8 May 13

MARTIN GILL says...

Tyrone Shulace wrote:
Ooooh is someone worried lol
I had a guest once that outstayed their welcome.
guest01 i think you always seem to be going on about whats legal and what isnt, how did you get on with your legal action that you said you could take against a couple of other commenters lol dont remember them retracting their statements lol
I am perfectly law abiding thank you, unlike some people.
MARTIN GILL i think is a user name, get real, i think its so blatant. What concern is it of yours anyway !!!!!!. Go waste your legal blah blah blah with someone else it is wasted on me, you seem to have a knack of getting on my nerves i am surprised anyone bothers to debate with you, oh thats right most dont i think. Before i 'wave' goodbye to this website let me name a few you i think you have irritated, LBFS, victoriameldrew, GZM, meerkats etc etc etc titanium said you were a stirrer, i think titanium is right.
Thought i would give this website a try again but wished i hadn't bothered, its still the same with guest01 and people like 'MARTIN GILL'

Look forward to seeing all the building taking place in Falmouth courtesy of the Conservatives and look forward to the new influx of students.

I think you always have to have last word like a petulant teenager, but
don't bother with any 'i know it all' 'i am always right' reply guest because im gone from this website for good. Oh one last thing, i read the comments on the cruise ships article and victoria meldrew was right, you and your blah blah blah.
Goodbye user, you are a loser..... ta'da!
[quote][p][bold]Tyrone Shulace[/bold] wrote: Ooooh is someone worried lol I had a guest once that outstayed their welcome. guest01 i think you always seem to be going on about whats legal and what isnt, how did you get on with your legal action that you said you could take against a couple of other commenters lol dont remember them retracting their statements lol I am perfectly law abiding thank you, unlike some people. MARTIN GILL i think is a user name, get real, i think its so blatant. What concern is it of yours anyway !!!!!!. Go waste your legal blah blah blah with someone else it is wasted on me, you seem to have a knack of getting on my nerves i am surprised anyone bothers to debate with you, oh thats right most dont i think. Before i 'wave' goodbye to this website let me name a few you i think you have irritated, LBFS, victoriameldrew, GZM, meerkats etc etc etc titanium said you were a stirrer, i think titanium is right. Thought i would give this website a try again but wished i hadn't bothered, its still the same with guest01 and people like 'MARTIN GILL' Look forward to seeing all the building taking place in Falmouth courtesy of the Conservatives and look forward to the new influx of students. I think you always have to have last word like a petulant teenager, but don't bother with any 'i know it all' 'i am always right' reply guest because im gone from this website for good. Oh one last thing, i read the comments on the cruise ships article and victoria meldrew was right, you and your blah blah blah.[/p][/quote]Goodbye user, you are a loser..... ta'da! MARTIN GILL

10:16pm Wed 8 May 13

MARTIN GILL says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
Whatever the land should or should not be used for, an anti student mentality is of no use to anyone. The university is there and it's staying there.
And did you, or did you not post recently that people are entitled to their opinion..... however much you disagree?
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: Whatever the land should or should not be used for, an anti student mentality is of no use to anyone. The university is there and it's staying there.[/p][/quote]And did you, or did you not post recently that people are entitled to their opinion..... however much you disagree? MARTIN GILL

2:02am Thu 9 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

MARTIN GILL wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
Whatever the land should or should not be used for, an anti student mentality is of no use to anyone. The university is there and it's staying there.
And did you, or did you not post recently that people are entitled to their opinion..... however much you disagree?
You are, entitled to your opinion, and you have expressed it, as am I entitled to my opinion and I am expressing it by saying that it is in my view futile being anti student when the uni is already there and will not be going away.
I did not say you cannot have an opinion, I simply disagree with your opinion, there is a difference.
[quote][p][bold]MARTIN GILL[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: Whatever the land should or should not be used for, an anti student mentality is of no use to anyone. The university is there and it's staying there.[/p][/quote]And did you, or did you not post recently that people are entitled to their opinion..... however much you disagree?[/p][/quote]You are, entitled to your opinion, and you have expressed it, as am I entitled to my opinion and I am expressing it by saying that it is in my view futile being anti student when the uni is already there and will not be going away. I did not say you cannot have an opinion, I simply disagree with your opinion, there is a difference. Gillian Zella Martin 09

7:27am Thu 9 May 13

molesworth says...

Well, in my opinion students are okay, the University is a good thing and so are the docks. As I've said before, the fact that young locally born folk can't afford to buy houses is because their fellow locals are flogging them at extortionate prices to whoever they can, and in a capitalist society that is right and proper. It doesn't help that mortgage companies want massive deposits.
None of this is the students' fault or those wishing to retire here so let's avoid the embarrassing, rascist, vitriol against them or anyone not Cornish that is evident in some of the comments above. Thank goodness our county is so desirable. Thank goodness intelligent, decent people choose to live here. I am local but that is irrelevant. I only say this so non-locals know that we Cornish are not all narrow minded and bitter.
Well, in my opinion students are okay, the University is a good thing and so are the docks. As I've said before, the fact that young locally born folk can't afford to buy houses is because their fellow locals are flogging them at extortionate prices to whoever they can, and in a capitalist society that is right and proper. It doesn't help that mortgage companies want massive deposits. None of this is the students' fault or those wishing to retire here so let's avoid the embarrassing, rascist, vitriol against them or anyone not Cornish that is evident in some of the comments above. Thank goodness our county is so desirable. Thank goodness intelligent, decent people choose to live here. I am local but that is irrelevant. I only say this so non-locals know that we Cornish are not all narrow minded and bitter. molesworth

8:42am Thu 9 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I agree molesworth, I am Cornish but I am neither narrow minded nor bitter, I treat everyone as individuals.
I agree molesworth, I am Cornish but I am neither narrow minded nor bitter, I treat everyone as individuals. Gillian Zella Martin 09

11:56am Thu 9 May 13

ucsweb says...

Molesworth "None of this is the students' fault or those wishing to retire here."
I agree but, it is a problem. One that has been consistently ignored by the Councils who could help solve it.
And with ever increasing numbers this problem will only get worse. It is about time that there was a properly managed plan to support the residents and potential newcomers. Instead of market forces (Greed) and the continual support by NITBY's to let it continue to get worse.
Molesworth "None of this is the students' fault or those wishing to retire here." I agree but, it is a problem. One that has been consistently ignored by the Councils who could help solve it. And with ever increasing numbers this problem will only get worse. It is about time that there was a properly managed plan to support the residents and potential newcomers. Instead of market forces (Greed) and the continual support by NITBY's to let it continue to get worse. ucsweb

12:56pm Thu 9 May 13

MARTIN GILL says...

Perhaps an alternative would be to extend the Green Belt opposite, and plant Trees. I think it would benefit the area, and you could encourage Pupils from Falmouth School to hold a Tree planting day perhaps on a Saturday. Many years ago i was one such Pupil who planted a Tree, amongst others on what is now the Nature Reserve. With substantial Housing development planned for nearby land, wouldn't it be the right course of action to protect something for future generations? No House building company ever thinks about the Environment, ... just how much they can build and at exorbitant prices. Speaking personally, i just thank my lucky stars that i was able, in the mid 1990's to be able to afford to buy a House because i'm damned sure that i'd never in a million years be able to buy at the price that they are asking now.
Perhaps an alternative would be to extend the Green Belt opposite, and plant Trees. I think it would benefit the area, and you could encourage Pupils from Falmouth School to hold a Tree planting day perhaps on a Saturday. Many years ago i was one such Pupil who planted a Tree, amongst others on what is now the Nature Reserve. With substantial Housing development planned for nearby land, wouldn't it be the right course of action to protect something for future generations? No House building company ever thinks about the Environment, ... just how much they can build and at exorbitant prices. Speaking personally, i just thank my lucky stars that i was able, in the mid 1990's to be able to afford to buy a House because i'm damned sure that i'd never in a million years be able to buy at the price that they are asking now. MARTIN GILL

1:35pm Thu 9 May 13

molesworth says...

Shockingly, I'm not totally against keeping people out of Cornwall. We only have so much space available and I don't won't to see Cornwall paved over. It's bad enough that our lovely country lanes and roads are becoming like motorways already. There must be a way to control numbers in the same way Guernsey does. Not sure how they do it but I don't consider Guernsey to be rascist - they're just concerned there's not enough space and locals are getting squeezed out. Maybe I'm wrong. It's a tricky question...
Shockingly, I'm not totally against keeping people out of Cornwall. We only have so much space available and I don't won't to see Cornwall paved over. It's bad enough that our lovely country lanes and roads are becoming like motorways already. There must be a way to control numbers in the same way Guernsey does. Not sure how they do it but I don't consider Guernsey to be rascist - they're just concerned there's not enough space and locals are getting squeezed out. Maybe I'm wrong. It's a tricky question... molesworth

2:16pm Thu 9 May 13

guest01 says...

Ahh I might have missed the chance to argue more with tyrone.

Population caps are worth looking at.
But not based on the protection of "locals". Just the pure purpose of space.
Ahh I might have missed the chance to argue more with tyrone. Population caps are worth looking at. But not based on the protection of "locals". Just the pure purpose of space. guest01

5:17pm Thu 9 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

MARTIN GILL wrote:
Perhaps an alternative would be to extend the Green Belt opposite, and plant Trees. I think it would benefit the area, and you could encourage Pupils from Falmouth School to hold a Tree planting day perhaps on a Saturday. Many years ago i was one such Pupil who planted a Tree, amongst others on what is now the Nature Reserve. With substantial Housing development planned for nearby land, wouldn't it be the right course of action to protect something for future generations? No House building company ever thinks about the Environment, ... just how much they can build and at exorbitant prices. Speaking personally, i just thank my lucky stars that i was able, in the mid 1990's to be able to afford to buy a House because i'm damned sure that i'd never in a million years be able to buy at the price that they are asking now.
I actually agree with you, I think that would be a very good idea.

I additionally think tree planting should be encouraged by the council for members of the public to plant in memory of people instead of just benches which many people opt for.
[quote][p][bold]MARTIN GILL[/bold] wrote: Perhaps an alternative would be to extend the Green Belt opposite, and plant Trees. I think it would benefit the area, and you could encourage Pupils from Falmouth School to hold a Tree planting day perhaps on a Saturday. Many years ago i was one such Pupil who planted a Tree, amongst others on what is now the Nature Reserve. With substantial Housing development planned for nearby land, wouldn't it be the right course of action to protect something for future generations? No House building company ever thinks about the Environment, ... just how much they can build and at exorbitant prices. Speaking personally, i just thank my lucky stars that i was able, in the mid 1990's to be able to afford to buy a House because i'm damned sure that i'd never in a million years be able to buy at the price that they are asking now.[/p][/quote]I actually agree with you, I think that would be a very good idea. I additionally think tree planting should be encouraged by the council for members of the public to plant in memory of people instead of just benches which many people opt for. Gillian Zella Martin 09

5:23pm Thu 9 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

molesworth wrote:
Shockingly, I'm not totally against keeping people out of Cornwall. We only have so much space available and I don't won't to see Cornwall paved over. It's bad enough that our lovely country lanes and roads are becoming like motorways already. There must be a way to control numbers in the same way Guernsey does. Not sure how they do it but I don't consider Guernsey to be rascist - they're just concerned there's not enough space and locals are getting squeezed out. Maybe I'm wrong. It's a tricky question...
To move to Guernsey or Jersey one has to have a certain amount of money not sure how much it is now though.
[quote][p][bold]molesworth[/bold] wrote: Shockingly, I'm not totally against keeping people out of Cornwall. We only have so much space available and I don't won't to see Cornwall paved over. It's bad enough that our lovely country lanes and roads are becoming like motorways already. There must be a way to control numbers in the same way Guernsey does. Not sure how they do it but I don't consider Guernsey to be rascist - they're just concerned there's not enough space and locals are getting squeezed out. Maybe I'm wrong. It's a tricky question...[/p][/quote]To move to Guernsey or Jersey one has to have a certain amount of money not sure how much it is now though. Gillian Zella Martin 09

6:59pm Thu 9 May 13

Lanty Slee says...

Moley, taking an anti-student stance isn't really racist - it could perhaps be classed as xenophobic, but I personally believe everyone is a little bit that way inclined.

The issue with students isn't so much that they are here or how many of them there are - it's more the fact that nothing is being done to mitigate their presence.

In Exeter they have an Article 4 direction to try and prevent the build-up of student ghettos through everything in a given area turning into HMO's.

There's also at least three different sets of purpose built off-campus student accomodation/apartme
nt blocks (a bit like that thing at Penryn station, which is built in totally the wrong place if you ask me, but that's beside the point.)

What does Falmouth have? The Packet showed us last year that one in ten houses in Falmouth are now lived in solely by students.

One in ten!

And what is anybody doing about it?

Nothing, that's what.
Moley, taking an anti-student stance isn't really racist - it could perhaps be classed as xenophobic, but I personally believe everyone is a little bit that way inclined. The issue with students isn't so much that they are here or how many of them there are - it's more the fact that nothing is being done to mitigate their presence. In Exeter they have an Article 4 direction to try and prevent the build-up of student ghettos through everything in a given area turning into HMO's. There's also at least three different sets of purpose built off-campus student accomodation/apartme nt blocks (a bit like that thing at Penryn station, which is built in totally the wrong place if you ask me, but that's beside the point.) What does Falmouth have? The Packet showed us last year that one in ten houses in Falmouth are now lived in solely by students. One in ten! And what is anybody doing about it? Nothing, that's what. Lanty Slee

8:03pm Thu 9 May 13

MARTIN GILL says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
MARTIN GILL wrote:
Perhaps an alternative would be to extend the Green Belt opposite, and plant Trees. I think it would benefit the area, and you could encourage Pupils from Falmouth School to hold a Tree planting day perhaps on a Saturday. Many years ago i was one such Pupil who planted a Tree, amongst others on what is now the Nature Reserve. With substantial Housing development planned for nearby land, wouldn't it be the right course of action to protect something for future generations? No House building company ever thinks about the Environment, ... just how much they can build and at exorbitant prices. Speaking personally, i just thank my lucky stars that i was able, in the mid 1990's to be able to afford to buy a House because i'm damned sure that i'd never in a million years be able to buy at the price that they are asking now.
I actually agree with you, I think that would be a very good idea.

I additionally think tree planting should be encouraged by the council for members of the public to plant in memory of people instead of just benches which many people opt for.
For your information, it was i think in 1971 that Pupils took part in a Tree planting on this piece of land. I am proud at the fact that i can, still walk through the area and more or less tell where the Tree is that i planted. I don't see this being replicated by House building companies anywhere, though perhaps someone could enlighten me if they do. Its time the private sector wake up and think.... wait a minute, we aren't putting anything back but we are taking more and more of what little countryside remains.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MARTIN GILL[/bold] wrote: Perhaps an alternative would be to extend the Green Belt opposite, and plant Trees. I think it would benefit the area, and you could encourage Pupils from Falmouth School to hold a Tree planting day perhaps on a Saturday. Many years ago i was one such Pupil who planted a Tree, amongst others on what is now the Nature Reserve. With substantial Housing development planned for nearby land, wouldn't it be the right course of action to protect something for future generations? No House building company ever thinks about the Environment, ... just how much they can build and at exorbitant prices. Speaking personally, i just thank my lucky stars that i was able, in the mid 1990's to be able to afford to buy a House because i'm damned sure that i'd never in a million years be able to buy at the price that they are asking now.[/p][/quote]I actually agree with you, I think that would be a very good idea. I additionally think tree planting should be encouraged by the council for members of the public to plant in memory of people instead of just benches which many people opt for.[/p][/quote]For your information, it was i think in 1971 that Pupils took part in a Tree planting on this piece of land. I am proud at the fact that i can, still walk through the area and more or less tell where the Tree is that i planted. I don't see this being replicated by House building companies anywhere, though perhaps someone could enlighten me if they do. Its time the private sector wake up and think.... wait a minute, we aren't putting anything back but we are taking more and more of what little countryside remains. MARTIN GILL

8:54pm Thu 9 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I wasn't being critical of the council, I was simply saying that maybe people could think about planting a tree in memory of someone as apposed to buying a bench, and yes developers should take into consideration landscaping areas with trees within building projects.
I wasn't being critical of the council, I was simply saying that maybe people could think about planting a tree in memory of someone as apposed to buying a bench, and yes developers should take into consideration landscaping areas with trees within building projects. Gillian Zella Martin 09

1:20pm Fri 10 May 13

ucsweb says...

Lanty Slee, the one in ten properties is very misleading as Falmouth has a large number of retirement and holiday homes and apartments.
In our road we have twenty four houses, six parking spaces (There is no space for on-road parking or pavements) and six of the houses are student lets. Four four-bedroomed and two five-bedroomed.
We have had four families move out of the road over the last four years because of student problems (Noise, late night parties, theft from gardens, vandalism etc.) and we now have another two houses up for sale which will probably become student lets.
I would move if I could afford to.
Lanty Slee, the one in ten properties is very misleading as Falmouth has a large number of retirement and holiday homes and apartments. In our road we have twenty four houses, six parking spaces (There is no space for on-road parking or pavements) and six of the houses are student lets. Four four-bedroomed and two five-bedroomed. We have had four families move out of the road over the last four years because of student problems (Noise, late night parties, theft from gardens, vandalism etc.) and we now have another two houses up for sale which will probably become student lets. I would move if I could afford to. ucsweb

1:51pm Fri 10 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Sounds to me that any anti social behaviour from students should be dealt with. There should be more enforceable and easier ways that local residents affected could resort to.
Checking the land registry and contacting the owners/ landlords of the properties to alert them of any nuisance their tenants are causing really in my view should be dealt with by Cornwall Council and reported to environmental health at Cornwall Council if it is a noise or rubbish issue.
There are provisions in place to deal anti social behaviour, not easy to rectify but it is however possible. I have done so in the past.
Theft obviously should be reported to the local police.
If I had anti social neighbours again I certainly would not be sitting back putting up with it.
Sounds to me that any anti social behaviour from students should be dealt with. There should be more enforceable and easier ways that local residents affected could resort to. Checking the land registry and contacting the owners/ landlords of the properties to alert them of any nuisance their tenants are causing really in my view should be dealt with by Cornwall Council and reported to environmental health at Cornwall Council if it is a noise or rubbish issue. There are provisions in place to deal anti social behaviour, not easy to rectify but it is however possible. I have done so in the past. Theft obviously should be reported to the local police. If I had anti social neighbours again I certainly would not be sitting back putting up with it. Gillian Zella Martin 09

4:11pm Fri 10 May 13

ucsweb says...

We have tried all that many times. "There should be more enforceable and easier ways that local residents affected could resort to." Yes there should be, but there isn't. And with more students on the way every year it is a stuation that just keeps going. Why should the students care they won't be here in a couple of years!
The landlords are registered as living in the properties concerned or not at all. The police and council say phone the university, and I have lost count of the number of people that get little or no response.
It is easy to offer the standard "solutions", they don't work.
Some of the commenters would feel differently if they had to live with it.
We have tried all that many times. "There should be more enforceable and easier ways that local residents affected could resort to." Yes there should be, but there isn't. And with more students on the way every year it is a stuation that just keeps going. Why should the students care they won't be here in a couple of years! The landlords are registered as living in the properties concerned or not at all. The police and council say phone the university, and I have lost count of the number of people that get little or no response. It is easy to offer the standard "solutions", they don't work. Some of the commenters would feel differently if they had to live with it. ucsweb

4:41pm Fri 10 May 13

seacom says...

It would seem by the comments posted that an Article 4 has now become urgent for Falmouth before any more schemes come forward.Also the proposed total of new dwellings for Falmouth should be reviewed now that new councillors have been elected .Maybe contact your councillor and make your views known after all the Localism Billl is now in force to give local residents a say in what happens.
It would seem by the comments posted that an Article 4 has now become urgent for Falmouth before any more schemes come forward.Also the proposed total of new dwellings for Falmouth should be reviewed now that new councillors have been elected .Maybe contact your councillor and make your views known after all the Localism Billl is now in force to give local residents a say in what happens. seacom

4:42pm Fri 10 May 13

seacom says...

It would seem by the comments posted that an Article 4 has now become urgent for Falmouth before any more schemes come forward.Also the proposed total of new dwellings for Falmouth should be reviewed now that new councillors have been elected .Maybe contact your councillor and make your views known after all the Localism Billl is now in force to give local residents a say in what happens.
It would seem by the comments posted that an Article 4 has now become urgent for Falmouth before any more schemes come forward.Also the proposed total of new dwellings for Falmouth should be reviewed now that new councillors have been elected .Maybe contact your councillor and make your views known after all the Localism Billl is now in force to give local residents a say in what happens. seacom

4:46pm Fri 10 May 13

MARTIN GILL says...

With a near zero crime rate all year round, i am sure the residents in the Penjerrick /Budock Water area dont' wish to see Student flats built at Bickland
I sympathise with the people of Falmouth regarding noise, and this was highlighted several years ago when there were problems with noisy Students in Trelawney Road. I think if these Students could be identified, they ought to be thrown out of the University. I know some of the folk who have commentated on this subject have slated my opinion, but i'm just concerned about keeping the Status Quo. ( no not Rossi and co!) .
With a near zero crime rate all year round, i am sure the residents in the Penjerrick /Budock Water area dont' wish to see Student flats built at Bickland I sympathise with the people of Falmouth regarding noise, and this was highlighted several years ago when there were problems with noisy Students in Trelawney Road. I think if these Students could be identified, they ought to be thrown out of the University. I know some of the folk who have commentated on this subject have slated my opinion, but i'm just concerned about keeping the Status Quo. ( no not Rossi and co!) . MARTIN GILL

4:57pm Fri 10 May 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ucsweb, I wouldn't like to live with what you describe I admit that. I have suffered anti social neighbours in the past so I know what it is like (and I mean really anti social constantly)

I agree with MARTIN GILL if the students could be identified and it was proven they were being anti social neighbours, after being given a warning first then yes I believe they should be excluded from the university if that is the only thing that will prevent anti social behaviour. After all, some social housing tenants have been evicted in the past for anti social behaviour.
ucsweb, I wouldn't like to live with what you describe I admit that. I have suffered anti social neighbours in the past so I know what it is like (and I mean really anti social constantly) I agree with MARTIN GILL if the students could be identified and it was proven they were being anti social neighbours, after being given a warning first then yes I believe they should be excluded from the university if that is the only thing that will prevent anti social behaviour. After all, some social housing tenants have been evicted in the past for anti social behaviour. Gillian Zella Martin 09

5:02pm Fri 10 May 13

MARTIN GILL says...

seacom wrote:
It would seem by the comments posted that an Article 4 has now become urgent for Falmouth before any more schemes come forward.Also the proposed total of new dwellings for Falmouth should be reviewed now that new councillors have been elected .Maybe contact your councillor and make your views known after all the Localism Billl is now in force to give local residents a say in what happens.
I agree with you on that 100%
[quote][p][bold]seacom[/bold] wrote: It would seem by the comments posted that an Article 4 has now become urgent for Falmouth before any more schemes come forward.Also the proposed total of new dwellings for Falmouth should be reviewed now that new councillors have been elected .Maybe contact your councillor and make your views known after all the Localism Billl is now in force to give local residents a say in what happens.[/p][/quote]I agree with you on that 100% MARTIN GILL

5:59pm Fri 10 May 13

molesworth says...

If you suffer from troublesome student neighbours just bombard the bosses of Exeter and Falmouth Universities with emails, letters etc. That, and the owners of the student houses (though difficult to find out who they are). That should get rid of the trouble makers.
For the record, I have lived amongst students in Falmouth for 20 years and never had cause for complaint, so I'm a bit puzzled by all the fuss...
If you suffer from troublesome student neighbours just bombard the bosses of Exeter and Falmouth Universities with emails, letters etc. That, and the owners of the student houses (though difficult to find out who they are). That should get rid of the trouble makers. For the record, I have lived amongst students in Falmouth for 20 years and never had cause for complaint, so I'm a bit puzzled by all the fuss... molesworth

9:08pm Fri 10 May 13

Lanty Slee says...

Students have to be handled in the much the same way as uranium, I think.

Because given a sufficient amount, you'll reach critical mass.
Students have to be handled in the much the same way as uranium, I think. Because given a sufficient amount, you'll reach critical mass. Lanty Slee

9:39pm Fri 10 May 13

ucsweb says...

I am not even in one of the worst areas. The reason you don't hear about it is because, after years, most people don't bother to complain anymore. If you want to know why the crime rate is so low then try to report one. I have. Four phone calls later, after no response, and I was told I lived in a quiet area with no reported crimes! I said I wanted to report other incidents on my road, the police said I couldn't because it did not concern my property (Cars and gardens damaged).
A friend (on another road) has stopped reporting students regularly walking over cars, drunk and lying in the road and all night parties because nothing happens.
If you visit Winchester you would not even know there was a large student population (6,500) because the local authorities have managed it so well. Shame no one does down here.
I am not even in one of the worst areas. The reason you don't hear about it is because, after years, most people don't bother to complain anymore. If you want to know why the crime rate is so low then try to report one. I have. Four phone calls later, after no response, and I was told I lived in a quiet area with no reported crimes! I said I wanted to report other incidents on my road, the police said I couldn't because it did not concern my property (Cars and gardens damaged). A friend (on another road) has stopped reporting students regularly walking over cars, drunk and lying in the road and all night parties because nothing happens. If you visit Winchester you would not even know there was a large student population (6,500) because the local authorities have managed it so well. Shame no one does down here. ucsweb

11:07pm Fri 10 May 13

Goldie 1 says...

If my facts are correct Falmouth Town Council came very close to securing an Article 4 Directive a couple of years ago, but were not helped by two former Falmouth Cornwall Councillors who spoke against the Directive at a special meeting at county hall.

Now they are gone from Cornwall Council, there could be a chance that it could be brought back to the table through the town council.

An Article 4 Directive has to be a good thing for Falmouth, as it helps control the amount of HMO's (student houses), so a reasonable balance is obtained between HMO's and family homes in any one area or street, and stopping the domino effect of HMO's which has clearly happened in the Marlborough Rd, Budock Tce, Trelawney Rd, Norfolk Rd area's of Falmouth, and could spread further afield if an Article 4 is not implemented in the near future.
If my facts are correct Falmouth Town Council came very close to securing an Article 4 Directive a couple of years ago, but were not helped by two former Falmouth Cornwall Councillors who spoke against the Directive at a special meeting at county hall. Now they are gone from Cornwall Council, there could be a chance that it could be brought back to the table through the town council. An Article 4 Directive has to be a good thing for Falmouth, as it helps control the amount of HMO's (student houses), so a reasonable balance is obtained between HMO's and family homes in any one area or street, and stopping the domino effect of HMO's which has clearly happened in the Marlborough Rd, Budock Tce, Trelawney Rd, Norfolk Rd area's of Falmouth, and could spread further afield if an Article 4 is not implemented in the near future. Goldie 1

3:17pm Sat 11 May 13

victoriameldrew says...

well I for one hope that the person who has bought the house next door to me which has 2 double bedrooms, one single bedroom and a back room downstairs at the back of the garage, plus the standard lounge/diner of Boslowick houses, is denied the chance to house 8 students!!! Apparently this house is being advertised as a student let with enough bedrooms to house them all - I cannot see how they will all fit in and still have space to live. And with only one small bathroom and kitchen - lets hope sense prevails. Greedy landlords really get my goat!
well I for one hope that the person who has bought the house next door to me which has 2 double bedrooms, one single bedroom and a back room downstairs at the back of the garage, plus the standard lounge/diner of Boslowick houses, is denied the chance to house 8 students!!! Apparently this house is being advertised as a student let with enough bedrooms to house them all - I cannot see how they will all fit in and still have space to live. And with only one small bathroom and kitchen - lets hope sense prevails. Greedy landlords really get my goat! victoriameldrew

8:05pm Sun 12 May 13

ucsweb says...

victoriameldrew, I think you will find that to house so many planning approval is required. Contact Cornwall Planning and object now.
If permission has been applied for you probably wont be notified. Don't leave it too late, it can't be undone.
victoriameldrew, I think you will find that to house so many planning approval is required. Contact Cornwall Planning and object now. If permission has been applied for you probably wont be notified. Don't leave it too late, it can't be undone. ucsweb

10:46am Mon 13 May 13

Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe says...

Re Tyrone's last comment that mentions me: I have to agree with the general thrust of it in that I have stopped posting so much due to the deterioration in the standard of the debate and the wilfully confrontational approach that is seen fairly regularly now.

While I'm interested in the views of everyone and would like them to continue to be able to express them, some sort of active moderation is required, to remove certain parts of the most antagonist posts before they appear.

In terms of the whole student and accommodation debate, my stance is pretty much in line with that expressed by Molesworth here, so thanks for saving me the trouble, squire ;-)
Re Tyrone's last comment that mentions me: I have to agree with the general thrust of it in that I have stopped posting so much due to the deterioration in the standard of the debate and the wilfully confrontational approach that is seen fairly regularly now. While I'm interested in the views of everyone and would like them to continue to be able to express them, some sort of active moderation is required, to remove certain parts of the most antagonist posts before they appear. In terms of the whole student and accommodation debate, my stance is pretty much in line with that expressed by Molesworth here, so thanks for saving me the trouble, squire ;-) Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe

10:48am Mon 13 May 13

Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe says...

"antagonistic" !
"antagonistic" ! Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe

2:35pm Mon 13 May 13

victoriameldrew says...

ucsweb wrote:
victoriameldrew, I think you will find that to house so many planning approval is required. Contact Cornwall Planning and object now.
If permission has been applied for you probably wont be notified. Don't leave it too late, it can't be undone.
thanks for the info - I will try and find out if permission is being sought - or worse!!
[quote][p][bold]ucsweb[/bold] wrote: victoriameldrew, I think you will find that to house so many planning approval is required. Contact Cornwall Planning and object now. If permission has been applied for you probably wont be notified. Don't leave it too late, it can't be undone.[/p][/quote]thanks for the info - I will try and find out if permission is being sought - or worse!! victoriameldrew

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