Gates for Helston alleyways to stop late night drunks

Alleyways in Helston town centre could be closed off at night as a result of “particularly anti-social behaviour.”

PC Anne Butcher, from Helston police station, told the town’s councillors she was looking into gating off alleyways in Coinagehall Street during evenings and nights.

She added a minority of late night drunks had caused residents “considerable distress”.

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11:32am Wed 24 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I would be interested to know which Councillors PC Anne Butcher spoke to, and whose idea exactly was it, to gate the alleyways off.

I use the car-parks in Helston in the evenings, when visiting the Epworth Hall, the Methodist Church and the pubs. (I do not drink drive)
I do not think law abiding car-park users should be penalised just because of anti social behaviour by a minority of people.
In my view the anti social behaviour should be properly addressed through the usual channels. I thought Cornwall Council were supposed to work closely with local police to address issues such as this, not however, by just gating things off.

Where does one draw the line at gating things off due to anti social behaviour, and what message does it give out to tourists. Who exactly would be financing the gates?

It was claimed at one time that the money saved by closing the front office of Helston police station to the public would allow funds to be put to better use. Perhaps some of those funds could be used on extra patrols in Helston in the evenings.

I think there is nothing that gives out a message that a town is failing to address anti social behaviour successfully, more, than just resorting to gating places off.
I would be interested to know which Councillors PC Anne Butcher spoke to, and whose idea exactly was it, to gate the alleyways off. I use the car-parks in Helston in the evenings, when visiting the Epworth Hall, the Methodist Church and the pubs. (I do not drink drive) I do not think law abiding car-park users should be penalised just because of anti social behaviour by a minority of people. In my view the anti social behaviour should be properly addressed through the usual channels. I thought Cornwall Council were supposed to work closely with local police to address issues such as this, not however, by just gating things off. Where does one draw the line at gating things off due to anti social behaviour, and what message does it give out to tourists. Who exactly would be financing the gates? It was claimed at one time that the money saved by closing the front office of Helston police station to the public would allow funds to be put to better use. Perhaps some of those funds could be used on extra patrols in Helston in the evenings. I think there is nothing that gives out a message that a town is failing to address anti social behaviour successfully, more, than just resorting to gating places off. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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6:16pm Wed 24 Jul 13

ronedgcumbe says...

This sounds like a very good idea and at last some action being taken in town. Well done PC Butcher for tackling this problem that the town has had for far to long.
This sounds like a very good idea and at last some action being taken in town. Well done PC Butcher for tackling this problem that the town has had for far to long. ronedgcumbe
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7:03pm Wed 24 Jul 13

DCI Jen says...

I wouldn't have thought it affects you Ron, you dont live that end of the town and I doubt you use the car parks in the evening. Who do you think is going to pay for this if it goes ahead, the Helston council tax payer, because it sure as hell ain't coming out of the police budget. Wasn't it someone from Helston police station that wanted to close/demolish the Momument toilet block once because of anti social behaviour? That's a good idea, how about close/demolish/ gate off anything that means an easy life instead of actually enforcing the law.
I wouldn't have thought it affects you Ron, you dont live that end of the town and I doubt you use the car parks in the evening. Who do you think is going to pay for this if it goes ahead, the Helston council tax payer, because it sure as hell ain't coming out of the police budget. Wasn't it someone from Helston police station that wanted to close/demolish the Momument toilet block once because of anti social behaviour? That's a good idea, how about close/demolish/ gate off anything that means an easy life instead of actually enforcing the law. DCI Jen
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7:22pm Wed 24 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

There has been plenty of action taken in the town by the Town Council and the HBIP.
There has been plenty of action taken in the town by the Town Council and the HBIP. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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7:49pm Wed 24 Jul 13

DCI Jen says...

I should have said 'Monument' toilets in my last post.

I also should have said, I sure as hell 'doubt' it is coming out of the police budget, because If it is coming out of the police budget then I will be questioning how they can afford to gate off alleyways but cannot afford to keep the front office of Helston police station open to the public.

Random comment, ain't I just pleased the pasty drive through is not happening now.
I should have said 'Monument' toilets in my last post. I also should have said, I sure as hell 'doubt' it is coming out of the police budget, because If it is coming out of the police budget then I will be questioning how they can afford to gate off alleyways but cannot afford to keep the front office of Helston police station open to the public. Random comment, ain't I just pleased the pasty drive through is not happening now. DCI Jen
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8:13pm Wed 24 Jul 13

meerkats says...

Gating off the alleyways is not the answer ,the drunks will only congregate elsewhere and cause problems for others. The Police should deal with them .DCI Jen i agree with your random comment.
Gating off the alleyways is not the answer ,the drunks will only congregate elsewhere and cause problems for others. The Police should deal with them .DCI Jen i agree with your random comment. meerkats
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8:41pm Wed 24 Jul 13

DCI Jen says...

Thanx meerkats. I shouldn't really be posting right now, I'm using someone else's phone lol
I agree with you, it will just shift the problem elsewhere, and people may stand there and pee up the gates anyway.
Thanx meerkats. I shouldn't really be posting right now, I'm using someone else's phone lol I agree with you, it will just shift the problem elsewhere, and people may stand there and pee up the gates anyway. DCI Jen
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9:10pm Wed 24 Jul 13

DCI Jen says...

Anyway whatever happens, I am sure Helston TC will do whats best. Helston has a brilliant TC now, (give or take the oddity, i think) especially with a good Mayor leading it. I know the last Mayor did his best but I think Cllr Radford-Gaby is bestest.

They may have to erect signs saying, "Sorry, Helston is gated this evening, you are welcome but your car is not"

Some people were raising disability issues on here before, well what happens if there are no roadside parking spaces free in the evening and people have to go a long way round to and from the car parks?
Anyway whatever happens, I am sure Helston TC will do whats best. Helston has a brilliant TC now, (give or take the oddity, i think) especially with a good Mayor leading it. I know the last Mayor did his best but I think Cllr Radford-Gaby is bestest. They may have to erect signs saying, "Sorry, Helston is gated this evening, you are welcome but your car is not" Some people were raising disability issues on here before, well what happens if there are no roadside parking spaces free in the evening and people have to go a long way round to and from the car parks? DCI Jen
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9:23pm Wed 24 Jul 13

ronedgcumbe says...

DCI Jen wrote:
I wouldn't have thought it affects you Ron, you dont live that end of the town and I doubt you use the car parks in the evening. Who do you think is going to pay for this if it goes ahead, the Helston council tax payer, because it sure as hell ain't coming out of the police budget. Wasn't it someone from Helston police station that wanted to close/demolish the Momument toilet block once because of anti social behaviour? That's a good idea, how about close/demolish/ gate off anything that means an easy life instead of actually enforcing the law.
I believe the anti social activities where at the park toilets which where thankfully demolised.
[quote][p][bold]DCI Jen[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't have thought it affects you Ron, you dont live that end of the town and I doubt you use the car parks in the evening. Who do you think is going to pay for this if it goes ahead, the Helston council tax payer, because it sure as hell ain't coming out of the police budget. Wasn't it someone from Helston police station that wanted to close/demolish the Momument toilet block once because of anti social behaviour? That's a good idea, how about close/demolish/ gate off anything that means an easy life instead of actually enforcing the law.[/p][/quote]I believe the anti social activities where at the park toilets which where thankfully demolised. ronedgcumbe
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9:25pm Wed 24 Jul 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Identify the problem and propose a workable solution, so rare in Helston.
Identify the problem and propose a workable solution, so rare in Helston. ronedgcumbe
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10:01pm Wed 24 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

It is not rare in Helston to identify a problem and propose a workable solution, that is what the HBIP and Town Council have been doing for quite some time now under the new Town Council leadership.
It is not rare in Helston to identify a problem and propose a workable solution, that is what the HBIP and Town Council have been doing for quite some time now under the new Town Council leadership. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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10:09pm Wed 24 Jul 13

DCI Jen says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
DCI Jen wrote:
I wouldn't have thought it affects you Ron, you dont live that end of the town and I doubt you use the car parks in the evening. Who do you think is going to pay for this if it goes ahead, the Helston council tax payer, because it sure as hell ain't coming out of the police budget. Wasn't it someone from Helston police station that wanted to close/demolish the Momument toilet block once because of anti social behaviour? That's a good idea, how about close/demolish/ gate off anything that means an easy life instead of actually enforcing the law.
I believe the anti social activities where at the park toilets which where thankfully demolised.
Ron it was the Monument toilets I am talking about, I know kids kept sitting on the roof and I believe it may have annoyed the neighbours, I remember seeing them do it.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCI Jen[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't have thought it affects you Ron, you dont live that end of the town and I doubt you use the car parks in the evening. Who do you think is going to pay for this if it goes ahead, the Helston council tax payer, because it sure as hell ain't coming out of the police budget. Wasn't it someone from Helston police station that wanted to close/demolish the Momument toilet block once because of anti social behaviour? That's a good idea, how about close/demolish/ gate off anything that means an easy life instead of actually enforcing the law.[/p][/quote]I believe the anti social activities where at the park toilets which where thankfully demolised.[/p][/quote]Ron it was the Monument toilets I am talking about, I know kids kept sitting on the roof and I believe it may have annoyed the neighbours, I remember seeing them do it. DCI Jen
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10:12pm Wed 24 Jul 13

DCI Jen says...

Check the Packet archives.
Check the Packet archives. DCI Jen
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10:15pm Wed 24 Jul 13

meerkats says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Identify the problem and propose a workable solution, so rare in Helston.
Why is it so rare in Helston? I very much agree with Gills comment below re the TC and HBIP.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Identify the problem and propose a workable solution, so rare in Helston.[/p][/quote]Why is it so rare in Helston? I very much agree with Gills comment below re the TC and HBIP. meerkats
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10:17pm Wed 24 Jul 13

meerkats says...

Imeant Gill,s comment below your previous post ,by the way.
Imeant Gill,s comment below your previous post ,by the way. meerkats
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10:39pm Wed 24 Jul 13

DCI Jen says...

Yes Ron, why is it so rare in Helston? 'please explain' a bit more.

If I was guessing I would say you are having a dig at the TC.
Loads of problems have been identified in Helston and a workable solution has been put into place. The dirty buildings were identified and a solution put in place.
Yes Ron, why is it so rare in Helston? 'please explain' a bit more. If I was guessing I would say you are having a dig at the TC. Loads of problems have been identified in Helston and a workable solution has been put into place. The dirty buildings were identified and a solution put in place. DCI Jen
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11:07pm Wed 24 Jul 13

DCI Jen says...

It was identified as a problem I think, the lack of decent play equipment in Coronation Park, and a workable solution was found, to refurbish the play park, the same applies to what is happening for the Bulwark Road estate.
I think It was identified that the CCTV was still needed in Helston and a workable solution was found to finance it. Etc etc
It was identified as a problem I think, the lack of decent play equipment in Coronation Park, and a workable solution was found, to refurbish the play park, the same applies to what is happening for the Bulwark Road estate. I think It was identified that the CCTV was still needed in Helston and a workable solution was found to finance it. Etc etc DCI Jen
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11:39pm Wed 24 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

If the alleyways are gated, then I think they should be gated both ends, as this would avoid the inconvenience of one parking in the car-park only to find that having walked along the alley there is no exit at the other end, this would also address personal safety issues. Alternatively, I believe warning signs should be displayed in the car-park.
To impliment this idea of gating efficiently,and with safety in mind, I believe it would prove to be a costly project.
If the alleyways are gated, then I think they should be gated both ends, as this would avoid the inconvenience of one parking in the car-park only to find that having walked along the alley there is no exit at the other end, this would also address personal safety issues. Alternatively, I believe warning signs should be displayed in the car-park. To impliment this idea of gating efficiently,and with safety in mind, I believe it would prove to be a costly project. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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11:46pm Wed 24 Jul 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
If the alleyways are gated, then I think they should be gated both ends, as this would avoid the inconvenience of one parking in the car-park only to find that having walked along the alley there is no exit at the other end, this would also address personal safety issues. Alternatively, I believe warning signs should be displayed in the car-park.
To impliment this idea of gating efficiently,and with safety in mind, I believe it would prove to be a costly project.
Good idea.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: If the alleyways are gated, then I think they should be gated both ends, as this would avoid the inconvenience of one parking in the car-park only to find that having walked along the alley there is no exit at the other end, this would also address personal safety issues. Alternatively, I believe warning signs should be displayed in the car-park. To impliment this idea of gating efficiently,and with safety in mind, I believe it would prove to be a costly project.[/p][/quote]Good idea. ronedgcumbe
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6:35am Thu 25 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
If the alleyways are gated, then I think they should be gated both ends, as this would avoid the inconvenience of one parking in the car-park only to find that having walked along the alley there is no exit at the other end, this would also address personal safety issues. Alternatively, I believe warning signs should be displayed in the car-park.
To impliment this idea of gating efficiently,and with safety in mind, I believe it would prove to be a costly project.
Good idea.
I only stated this as my opinion if they were to install gates, I however am completely against the installation of gates as I use the car-park in the evenings. I additionaly believe the idea to be a waste of money, as meerkats has pointed out, it will just move the problem elsewhere, and I stand by view that gating things off is not the answer to solve anti social behaviour.
There are many sanctions available within the enforcement of law and order and that is after all, what one already pays for in ones council tax, the availability of law enforcement.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: If the alleyways are gated, then I think they should be gated both ends, as this would avoid the inconvenience of one parking in the car-park only to find that having walked along the alley there is no exit at the other end, this would also address personal safety issues. Alternatively, I believe warning signs should be displayed in the car-park. To impliment this idea of gating efficiently,and with safety in mind, I believe it would prove to be a costly project.[/p][/quote]Good idea.[/p][/quote]I only stated this as my opinion if they were to install gates, I however am completely against the installation of gates as I use the car-park in the evenings. I additionaly believe the idea to be a waste of money, as meerkats has pointed out, it will just move the problem elsewhere, and I stand by view that gating things off is not the answer to solve anti social behaviour. There are many sanctions available within the enforcement of law and order and that is after all, what one already pays for in ones council tax, the availability of law enforcement. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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6:49am Thu 25 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Will they be gating off benches in Helston and the front of the Methodist Chapel, shop doorways, etc ?

The local police have just announced a targeted exercise on motorists that they are going to carry out, how about a targeted exercise on anti social behaviour in Helston town centre in the evening, or is it the case, it would actually not warrant the officer time?
If I get drunks frequently in the road I reside in during the holiday period, would I be expected to gate the road off? To me it appears as if the idea is to implement preventative measures against crime, which penalise the innocent, as opposed to applying sanctions against the guilty.
Will they be gating off benches in Helston and the front of the Methodist Chapel, shop doorways, etc ? The local police have just announced a targeted exercise on motorists that they are going to carry out, how about a targeted exercise on anti social behaviour in Helston town centre in the evening, or is it the case, it would actually not warrant the officer time? If I get drunks frequently in the road I reside in during the holiday period, would I be expected to gate the road off? To me it appears as if the idea is to implement preventative measures against crime, which penalise the innocent, as opposed to applying sanctions against the guilty. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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7:01am Thu 25 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Hypothetically, if I get drunk regularly and abuse the use of the alleyways during the daytime, would they gate the alleyways off during the day?
Hypothetically, if I get drunk regularly and abuse the use of the alleyways during the daytime, would they gate the alleyways off during the day? Gillian Zella Martin 09
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9:00am Thu 25 Jul 13

ronedgcumbe says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
DCI Jen wrote:
I wouldn't have thought it affects you Ron, you dont live that end of the town and I doubt you use the car parks in the evening. Who do you think is going to pay for this if it goes ahead, the Helston council tax payer, because it sure as hell ain't coming out of the police budget. Wasn't it someone from Helston police station that wanted to close/demolish the Momument toilet block once because of anti social behaviour? That's a good idea, how about close/demolish/ gate off anything that means an easy life instead of actually enforcing the law.
I believe the anti social activities where at the park toilets which where thankfully demolised.
Drunken antisocial activities blight many areas of Helston not just the town centre where a surprisingly large amount live.
I welcome any action that will held to deal with what seems to be an increasing problem after dark.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCI Jen[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't have thought it affects you Ron, you dont live that end of the town and I doubt you use the car parks in the evening. Who do you think is going to pay for this if it goes ahead, the Helston council tax payer, because it sure as hell ain't coming out of the police budget. Wasn't it someone from Helston police station that wanted to close/demolish the Momument toilet block once because of anti social behaviour? That's a good idea, how about close/demolish/ gate off anything that means an easy life instead of actually enforcing the law.[/p][/quote]I believe the anti social activities where at the park toilets which where thankfully demolised.[/p][/quote]Drunken antisocial activities blight many areas of Helston not just the town centre where a surprisingly large amount live. I welcome any action that will held to deal with what seems to be an increasing problem after dark. ronedgcumbe
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10:05am Thu 25 Jul 13

meerkats says...

A lot of people congregate on the steps of the Town Hall , as well as the seat at the Momument ,thats a hell of a lot of gates ,if that is the Police Force,s idea of stopping them. surely dispersal of these groups, + talking to them is a better option.
A lot of people congregate on the steps of the Town Hall , as well as the seat at the Momument ,thats a hell of a lot of gates ,if that is the Police Force,s idea of stopping them. surely dispersal of these groups, + talking to them is a better option. meerkats
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1:53pm Thu 25 Jul 13

DCI Jen says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Identify the problem and propose a workable solution, so rare in Helston.
You never came back with an answer to the 'multiple' questions by people "Why is it so rare in Helston?" so i'll just take that as a, 'I haven't really got a clue, I was just trying to pick fault with the TC' then'.

Don't know why you are so down on the TC, they are all voluntary workers, they don't get paid like what Flambards workers do.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Identify the problem and propose a workable solution, so rare in Helston.[/p][/quote]You never came back with an answer to the 'multiple' questions by people "Why is it so rare in Helston?" so i'll just take that as a, 'I haven't really got a clue, I was just trying to pick fault with the TC' then'. Don't know why you are so down on the TC, they are all voluntary workers, they don't get paid like what Flambards workers do. DCI Jen
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2:03pm Thu 25 Jul 13

DCI Jen says...

If you were a Councillor Ron, would you make derogatory statements to members of the public and then when they asked for more info as to what you meant, just fail to give them an explanation.
If you were a Councillor Ron, would you make derogatory statements to members of the public and then when they asked for more info as to what you meant, just fail to give them an explanation. DCI Jen
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2:57pm Thu 25 Jul 13

meerkats says...

DCI Jen wrote:
If you were a Councillor Ron, would you make derogatory statements to members of the public and then when they asked for more info as to what you meant, just fail to give them an explanation.
I have noticed before that Ron makes derogatory statements criticising the HBIP and TC but never offers a reason why when questioned. i think he is very bitter towards them as he wasnt elected.
[quote][p][bold]DCI Jen[/bold] wrote: If you were a Councillor Ron, would you make derogatory statements to members of the public and then when they asked for more info as to what you meant, just fail to give them an explanation.[/p][/quote]I have noticed before that Ron makes derogatory statements criticising the HBIP and TC but never offers a reason why when questioned. i think he is very bitter towards them as he wasnt elected. meerkats
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9:12am Fri 26 Jul 13

krazyitchkatie says...

I live in one such alleyway on Coinagehall street and aside from the nightly entertainment of street fights and crying women, lots of men nip down and pee next to my doorstep so I have devised a solution as I do not wish to get out of bed to pour water on them each time....

electric wire fences along the walls!
I live in one such alleyway on Coinagehall street and aside from the nightly entertainment of street fights and crying women, lots of men nip down and pee next to my doorstep so I have devised a solution as I do not wish to get out of bed to pour water on them each time.... electric wire fences along the walls! krazyitchkatie
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9:52am Fri 26 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
I live in one such alleyway on Coinagehall street and aside from the nightly entertainment of street fights and crying women, lots of men nip down and pee next to my doorstep so I have devised a solution as I do not wish to get out of bed to pour water on them each time....

electric wire fences along the walls!
Lol good idea.

If they had closing time of all alcohol serving establishments simultainiously, as they did years ago, policing closing time would be a considerably easier thing to do.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: I live in one such alleyway on Coinagehall street and aside from the nightly entertainment of street fights and crying women, lots of men nip down and pee next to my doorstep so I have devised a solution as I do not wish to get out of bed to pour water on them each time.... electric wire fences along the walls![/p][/quote]Lol good idea. If they had closing time of all alcohol serving establishments simultainiously, as they did years ago, policing closing time would be a considerably easier thing to do. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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9:54am Fri 26 Jul 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
I live in one such alleyway on Coinagehall street and aside from the nightly entertainment of street fights and crying women, lots of men nip down and pee next to my doorstep so I have devised a solution as I do not wish to get out of bed to pour water on them each time....

electric wire fences along the walls!
Lol good idea.

If they had closing time of all alcohol serving establishments simultainiously, as they did years ago, policing closing time would be a considerably easier thing to do.
And I wouldn't have to wear ear plugs all night! lol
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: I live in one such alleyway on Coinagehall street and aside from the nightly entertainment of street fights and crying women, lots of men nip down and pee next to my doorstep so I have devised a solution as I do not wish to get out of bed to pour water on them each time.... electric wire fences along the walls![/p][/quote]Lol good idea. If they had closing time of all alcohol serving establishments simultainiously, as they did years ago, policing closing time would be a considerably easier thing to do.[/p][/quote]And I wouldn't have to wear ear plugs all night! lol krazyitchkatie
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10:33am Fri 26 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
I live in one such alleyway on Coinagehall street and aside from the nightly entertainment of street fights and crying women, lots of men nip down and pee next to my doorstep so I have devised a solution as I do not wish to get out of bed to pour water on them each time....

electric wire fences along the walls!
Lol good idea.

If they had closing time of all alcohol serving establishments simultainiously, as they did years ago, policing closing time would be a considerably easier thing to do.
And I wouldn't have to wear ear plugs all night! lol
I do sympathise with you, I have experienced anti social neighbours in the past. Also up until recently when I moved, I had loud drunk stupid holiday makers on their way home from the pub to contend with and some climbing over my neighbours fence.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: I live in one such alleyway on Coinagehall street and aside from the nightly entertainment of street fights and crying women, lots of men nip down and pee next to my doorstep so I have devised a solution as I do not wish to get out of bed to pour water on them each time.... electric wire fences along the walls![/p][/quote]Lol good idea. If they had closing time of all alcohol serving establishments simultainiously, as they did years ago, policing closing time would be a considerably easier thing to do.[/p][/quote]And I wouldn't have to wear ear plugs all night! lol[/p][/quote]I do sympathise with you, I have experienced anti social neighbours in the past. Also up until recently when I moved, I had loud drunk stupid holiday makers on their way home from the pub to contend with and some climbing over my neighbours fence. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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8:59am Sat 27 Jul 13

ronedgcumbe says...

meerkats wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Identify the problem and propose a workable solution, so rare in Helston.
Why is it so rare in Helston? I very much agree with Gills comment below re the TC and HBIP.
Did not think ot needed explaining.
I meant it is rare that an actual problem that blights peoples lives gets discussed and a sensible solution proposed.
I do not live in the actual town centre but have had to put up with this at weekends many times.
I do hear from people who live more centraly than me. The situation must be intolerable.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Identify the problem and propose a workable solution, so rare in Helston.[/p][/quote]Why is it so rare in Helston? I very much agree with Gills comment below re the TC and HBIP.[/p][/quote]Did not think ot needed explaining. I meant it is rare that an actual problem that blights peoples lives gets discussed and a sensible solution proposed. I do not live in the actual town centre but have had to put up with this at weekends many times. I do hear from people who live more centraly than me. The situation must be intolerable. ronedgcumbe
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9:00am Sat 27 Jul 13

ronedgcumbe says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
meerkats wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Identify the problem and propose a workable solution, so rare in Helston.
Why is it so rare in Helston? I very much agree with Gills comment below re the TC and HBIP.
Did not think ot needed explaining.
I meant it is rare that an actual problem that blights peoples lives gets discussed and a sensible solution proposed.
I do not live in the actual town centre but have had to put up with this at weekends many times.
I do hear from people who live more centraly than me. The situation must be intolerable.
Sorry. It needed explaining.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Identify the problem and propose a workable solution, so rare in Helston.[/p][/quote]Why is it so rare in Helston? I very much agree with Gills comment below re the TC and HBIP.[/p][/quote]Did not think ot needed explaining. I meant it is rare that an actual problem that blights peoples lives gets discussed and a sensible solution proposed. I do not live in the actual town centre but have had to put up with this at weekends many times. I do hear from people who live more centraly than me. The situation must be intolerable.[/p][/quote]Sorry. It needed explaining. ronedgcumbe
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5:47pm Sat 27 Jul 13

telstar1962 says...

A couple of Town Centre Marshalls could be employed by the Town Council on Saturday nights,with the authority to issue £150 fines for peeing in a Public place,which would have two effects.

To deter the nuisance, and to collect money to pay for the Marshalls.

( No doubt someone will criticize my plan, but I cannot see how gates will solve the problem, but only cause other problems to the innocent public )
A couple of Town Centre Marshalls could be employed by the Town Council on Saturday nights,with the authority to issue £150 fines for peeing in a Public place,which would have two effects. To deter the nuisance, and to collect money to pay for the Marshalls. ( No doubt someone will criticize my plan, but I cannot see how gates will solve the problem, but only cause other problems to the innocent public ) telstar1962
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7:12pm Sat 27 Jul 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Ill happily sit in my window with a loudspeaker and a super soaker if I keep a cut of the fines lol
Ill happily sit in my window with a loudspeaker and a super soaker if I keep a cut of the fines lol krazyitchkatie
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7:15pm Sat 27 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

telstar1962 wrote:
A couple of Town Centre Marshalls could be employed by the Town Council on Saturday nights,with the authority to issue £150 fines for peeing in a Public place,which would have two effects.

To deter the nuisance, and to collect money to pay for the Marshalls.

( No doubt someone will criticize my plan, but I cannot see how gates will solve the problem, but only cause other problems to the innocent public )
I think that is a fantastic idea.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: A couple of Town Centre Marshalls could be employed by the Town Council on Saturday nights,with the authority to issue £150 fines for peeing in a Public place,which would have two effects. To deter the nuisance, and to collect money to pay for the Marshalls. ( No doubt someone will criticize my plan, but I cannot see how gates will solve the problem, but only cause other problems to the innocent public )[/p][/quote]I think that is a fantastic idea. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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7:24pm Sat 27 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

telstar1962 wrote:
A couple of Town Centre Marshalls could be employed by the Town Council on Saturday nights,with the authority to issue £150 fines for peeing in a Public place,which would have two effects.

To deter the nuisance, and to collect money to pay for the Marshalls.

( No doubt someone will criticize my plan, but I cannot see how gates will solve the problem, but only cause other problems to the innocent public )
They would have to be trained to issue fines and the council would have to be licensed to do so I believe, that is the case with issuing penalty fare fines with rail operating companies, but it would be worth it long term. Why don't you forward your idea to the council.
I'll volunteer to do it free lol
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: A couple of Town Centre Marshalls could be employed by the Town Council on Saturday nights,with the authority to issue £150 fines for peeing in a Public place,which would have two effects. To deter the nuisance, and to collect money to pay for the Marshalls. ( No doubt someone will criticize my plan, but I cannot see how gates will solve the problem, but only cause other problems to the innocent public )[/p][/quote]They would have to be trained to issue fines and the council would have to be licensed to do so I believe, that is the case with issuing penalty fare fines with rail operating companies, but it would be worth it long term. Why don't you forward your idea to the council. I'll volunteer to do it free lol Gillian Zella Martin 09
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7:25pm Sat 27 Jul 13

meerkats says...

telstar1962 wrote:
A couple of Town Centre Marshalls could be employed by the Town Council on Saturday nights,with the authority to issue £150 fines for peeing in a Public place,which would have two effects.

To deter the nuisance, and to collect money to pay for the Marshalls.

( No doubt someone will criticize my plan, but I cannot see how gates will solve the problem, but only cause other problems to the innocent public )
A brilliant idea . which i am sure would work.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: A couple of Town Centre Marshalls could be employed by the Town Council on Saturday nights,with the authority to issue £150 fines for peeing in a Public place,which would have two effects. To deter the nuisance, and to collect money to pay for the Marshalls. ( No doubt someone will criticize my plan, but I cannot see how gates will solve the problem, but only cause other problems to the innocent public )[/p][/quote]A brilliant idea . which i am sure would work. meerkats
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11:30am Sun 28 Jul 13

telstar1962 says...

I have quite a few good ideas, and I don't know how I find the time to think of them all, seeing as I'm so busy lol

For those of you who are not aware,there is an e-mail link next to the headlines on each article on this site.

I will send this page by e-mail link to the Town Council, and wait for their reply.
I have quite a few good ideas, and I don't know how I find the time to think of them all, seeing as I'm so busy lol For those of you who are not aware,there is an e-mail link next to the headlines on each article on this site. I will send this page by e-mail link to the Town Council, and wait for their reply. telstar1962
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11:39am Sun 28 Jul 13

telstar1962 says...

There,that's done.

And seeing as it's not really a confidential matter, here is what I sent


To

townclerk@helstontc.
com

Dear Sir/Madam

This page is being sent to your Council in respect of the news article about the problem of people urinating in Helston and causing problems

regards


xxxxxx
There,that's done. And seeing as it's not really a confidential matter, here is what I sent To townclerk@helstontc. com Dear Sir/Madam This page is being sent to your Council in respect of the news article about the problem of people urinating in Helston and causing problems regards xxxxxx telstar1962
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11:44am Sun 28 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Lol, I like it.
Lol, I like it. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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1:47pm Sun 28 Jul 13

telstar1962 says...

As I suspected with the Packet or the Town Council, this procedure was too easy, my e-mail has been returned due to a spam filter in operation

I will now spend a few more minutes sending the same e-mail direct to the Town Clerk from my own mail-box and referring the Clerk ,or whoever reads the message, to these posts on the Packet web-site
As I suspected with the Packet or the Town Council, this procedure was too easy, my e-mail has been returned due to a spam filter in operation I will now spend a few more minutes sending the same e-mail direct to the Town Clerk from my own mail-box and referring the Clerk ,or whoever reads the message, to these posts on the Packet web-site telstar1962
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7:16am Mon 29 Jul 13

ronedgcumbe says...

While not wishing to sound negative may I express a reservation.
Wardens issueing fines to intoxicated and sometimes aggressive people without very extensive training does not sound like a good idea to me and could often inflame the situation.
It is the police who have the experience here and it is them who have my support with this propasal.
While not wishing to sound negative may I express a reservation. Wardens issueing fines to intoxicated and sometimes aggressive people without very extensive training does not sound like a good idea to me and could often inflame the situation. It is the police who have the experience here and it is them who have my support with this propasal. ronedgcumbe
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8:15am Mon 29 Jul 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Not that it is likely ever to happen but hypothetically, obviously they would be given training, the same way rail operating companies revenue protection staff are, to issue fines, and many of those fines are issued to non compliant members of the public.
The town warden is trained to issue fines for littering, I doubt anyone receiving a fine for littering would be very happy about it.
Yes the police are trained to deal with drunks etc, however, they clearly do not have the available officers, otherwise they would not be suggesting the gates. Which brings me back to why should the innocent be penalised as opposed to addressing the issue of the guilty, we pay in our council tax for law enforcement.
Incidentally the article says the minority of drunks, if it is a minority, then surely installing gates is disproportional action.
Not that it is likely ever to happen but hypothetically, obviously they would be given training, the same way rail operating companies revenue protection staff are, to issue fines, and many of those fines are issued to non compliant members of the public. The town warden is trained to issue fines for littering, I doubt anyone receiving a fine for littering would be very happy about it. Yes the police are trained to deal with drunks etc, however, they clearly do not have the available officers, otherwise they would not be suggesting the gates. Which brings me back to why should the innocent be penalised as opposed to addressing the issue of the guilty, we pay in our council tax for law enforcement. Incidentally the article says the minority of drunks, if it is a minority, then surely installing gates is disproportional action. Gillian Zella Martin 09
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9:37am Mon 29 Jul 13

telstar1962 says...

I understand Ron's comment, however, if it is a minority of drunks,then these people are acting illegally,and judging by the numbers of police deployed on a Saturday night,either in vehicles or on foot,then one would have thought that the police should be capable of apprehending this minority ?

If the police genuinely cannot cope with this, and other problems which they need to deal with on Saturday nights, then Warden(s) could be considered.
I understand Ron's comment, however, if it is a minority of drunks,then these people are acting illegally,and judging by the numbers of police deployed on a Saturday night,either in vehicles or on foot,then one would have thought that the police should be capable of apprehending this minority ? If the police genuinely cannot cope with this, and other problems which they need to deal with on Saturday nights, then Warden(s) could be considered. telstar1962
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2:01pm Tue 30 Jul 13

molesworth says...

Call me old fashioned but back in my day if you broke the law by urinating in public and disturbing the peace you were arrested. Why are you all discussing electric fences, closing gates and using 'wardens' to keep law and order whatever they are? Shouldn't wardens be dealing with parking violations? The police are there to stop anti-social idiots as well as hardened criminals. If there's not enough of them to do this then civil society will begin to disintegrate, starting with casual loutish behaviour. You should be banging on your MP's door about this...
Call me old fashioned but back in my day if you broke the law by urinating in public and disturbing the peace you were arrested. Why are you all discussing electric fences, closing gates and using 'wardens' to keep law and order whatever they are? Shouldn't wardens be dealing with parking violations? The police are there to stop anti-social idiots as well as hardened criminals. If there's not enough of them to do this then civil society will begin to disintegrate, starting with casual loutish behaviour. You should be banging on your MP's door about this... molesworth
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2:07pm Tue 30 Jul 13

krazyitchkatie says...

oo we can thumbs up or down on individual comments - let the onslaught ensue!
oo we can thumbs up or down on individual comments - let the onslaught ensue! krazyitchkatie
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4:00pm Tue 30 Jul 13

Helston fly on the wall says...

How much intelligence does it take just to press a score button! so much better to leave an intelligent contribution like molesworth.
How much intelligence does it take just to press a score button! so much better to leave an intelligent contribution like molesworth. Helston fly on the wall
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4:05pm Tue 30 Jul 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
How much intelligence does it take just to press a score button! so much better to leave an intelligent contribution like molesworth.
That's why I gave him a 'thumbs up' lol

It is odd that they've added this feature, but not to distract from the thread any further...

I don't think gates are the solution. Any assigned money should be put towards police resource and people should teach their offspring to know better.
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: How much intelligence does it take just to press a score button! so much better to leave an intelligent contribution like molesworth.[/p][/quote]That's why I gave him a 'thumbs up' lol It is odd that they've added this feature, but not to distract from the thread any further... I don't think gates are the solution. Any assigned money should be put towards police resource and people should teach their offspring to know better. krazyitchkatie
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4:24pm Tue 30 Jul 13

telstar1962 says...

I still believe that my previous comments about Marshals, however, upon reflection, how many policemen/woman would it take to apprehend this leaky minority.

Sounds like the easy option is being put forward, instead of the statement:

"Dear Mr Urinater, I am arresting you on suspicion of urinating in a public place. You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defense if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence."


''Dear Tax-payer, I am asking you to stump up some more of your hard earned money on some gates, so that the urinating problem will go away (to re-appear somewhere else)
I still believe that my previous comments about Marshals, however, upon reflection, how many policemen/woman would it take to apprehend this leaky minority. Sounds like the easy option is being put forward, instead of the statement: "Dear Mr Urinater, I am arresting you on suspicion of urinating in a public place. You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defense if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence." ''Dear Tax-payer, I am asking you to stump up some more of your hard earned money on some gates, so that the urinating problem will go away (to re-appear somewhere else) telstar1962
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