Meneage Street pedestrianisation idea resurfaces

Falmouth Packet: Meneage Street pedestrianisation idea resurfaces Meneage Street pedestrianisation idea resurfaces

Pedestrianisation of Meneage Street is becoming increasingly likely after receiving the support of a large number of Helston traders and residents.

Four out of the five discussion groups that took part in a consultation event last Wednesday were in favour of the radical move, which would significantly alter the shopping heart of the town.

More than 60 people were involved in the two and a half hour session, which marked the launch of a larger consultation looking at how the town wants a £250,000 pot of money from Tesco and Sainsbury’s to be spent.

While many more events still have to take place, with businesses and residents also to be spoken to on a one-to-one basis, pedestrianisation was among the front runners at the end of the initial ideas evening.

Town regeneration officer Martin Searle confirmed that he would be speaking to other towns in the area such as Falmouth, which had already pedestrianised part of its main street, to get feedback on success rates.

Although not a new idea, having been mooted on and off for the last 30 to 40 years, the recent economic problems nationally have resurrected it as an option.

Neil Higgs, former landlord of The Bell and now in The Rodney, claimed in a snap survey he carried out on businesses and residents in Meneage Street just three people out of 80 did not want it pedestrianised.

Ex town councillor Keith Reynolds said when the street was shut for six weeks during sewage works three years ago one businessman he knew reported a rise in trade of 30 per cent, which dropped again once the road reopened.

Not all were in favour, however, with local historian Martin Matthews believing pedestrianisation would “kill Helston.”

Yet David Harris claimed: “The conservation officer and parking is what’s killing Helston.”

Another popular idea was adding herringbone bone parking into Coinagehall Street, to create more free spaces in the town centre, and potentially doubling the time limit to an hour.

This suggestion had already been made at a previous consultation about the money and received universal support last Wednesday.

Coinagehall Street was the focus of other ideas that included a zebra crossing being added to make it easier to cross the town’s widest street. It was noted that 182 buses travelled along there each day.

A more radical suggestion for the long term was to take buses away from the street altogether and create a bus station elsewhere.

Schemes that raised a few eyebrows included filling in the kennels outside Lloyds Bank in order to make more use of that area and relocating the cannon outside the museum to elsewhere in the town for similar reasons, which received a mixed reaction – a number of people in favour while others gasped at the thought.

What did receive general agreement, however, was that better signs showing visitors to and from the car parks were needed, together with information boards or even a rolling digital version.

Linking Helston Museum with the Passmore Edwards Institute in Penrose Road received similar support, with Market Place described as the focal point of the town.

It was suggested markets could be moved to the former drill yard and a tourist information centre set up in the museum entrance – although the top of Trengrouse Way was also proposed for this.

Creating a town trail, encouraging “pop up” shops and restaurants in empty shops and setting up a shuttle bus to ferry shoppers to and from car parks away from the centre – even potentially working with Tesco and Sainsbury’s in a mutually beneficial partnership – were other ideas put forward.

The next public meeting is likely to take place towards the end of January.

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7:40am Wed 6 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I'm in complete favour of pedestrianisation of Meneage Street, however, I don't think comparing it with Falmouth will be much help, Falmouth only has a very short area of pedestrianisation between the entry to Church Street car-park where the bollards are and the exit of the car-park. St Austell would in my view be a better example, or Redruth.
I'm in complete favour of pedestrianisation of Meneage Street, however, I don't think comparing it with Falmouth will be much help, Falmouth only has a very short area of pedestrianisation between the entry to Church Street car-park where the bollards are and the exit of the car-park. St Austell would in my view be a better example, or Redruth. Gillian Zella Martin 09

9:51am Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I'm in complete favour of pedestrianisation of Meneage Street, however, I don't think comparing it with Falmouth will be much help, Falmouth only has a very short area of pedestrianisation between the entry to Church Street car-park where the bollards are and the exit of the car-park. St Austell would in my view be a better example, or Redruth.
Martin is going to look at several towns for comparison and ideas, to get a good overview of what works, what doesn't and why :-)
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I'm in complete favour of pedestrianisation of Meneage Street, however, I don't think comparing it with Falmouth will be much help, Falmouth only has a very short area of pedestrianisation between the entry to Church Street car-park where the bollards are and the exit of the car-park. St Austell would in my view be a better example, or Redruth.[/p][/quote]Martin is going to look at several towns for comparison and ideas, to get a good overview of what works, what doesn't and why :-) krazyitchkatie

10:52am Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

2 people have thumbed down your comment Gill, i'll sort that out. I agree to pedestrianize Meneage Street would be great, I could amble around at leisure without playing dogems with the traffic.

Krazyitchkatie you don't actually say whether or not you agree with the idea?
2 people have thumbed down your comment Gill, i'll sort that out. I agree to pedestrianize Meneage Street would be great, I could amble around at leisure without playing dogems with the traffic. Krazyitchkatie you don't actually say whether or not you agree with the idea? Ken Helston

10:53am Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Ken Helston wrote:
2 people have thumbed down your comment Gill, i'll sort that out. I agree to pedestrianize Meneage Street would be great, I could amble around at leisure without playing dogems with the traffic.

Krazyitchkatie you don't actually say whether or not you agree with the idea?
Was I meant to?

I'm not sure until we see what Martin comes back with. I'm not against it at the outset, but would prefer to wait until we have some facts and figures first.
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: 2 people have thumbed down your comment Gill, i'll sort that out. I agree to pedestrianize Meneage Street would be great, I could amble around at leisure without playing dogems with the traffic. Krazyitchkatie you don't actually say whether or not you agree with the idea?[/p][/quote]Was I meant to? I'm not sure until we see what Martin comes back with. I'm not against it at the outset, but would prefer to wait until we have some facts and figures first. krazyitchkatie

11:36am Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

KrazyitchKatie, no you wern't supposed to say anything in particular, it is just nice to know who's in favour who's against and who just wants to wait until a definite decision is made and then say " oh yes I agreed with that" to gain brownie points with the specific people, especially those in the BIP.
you mention facts and figures, FACT places that have pedestrian only streets do better than pokey streets with narrow pavements and congested roads like Meneage Street. Whats the other option spend the money on a load of Cr@p that doesn't really do anything to bring shoppers in. And before anyone screams disability, I have a disability and would appreciate some of those l
KrazyitchKatie, no you wern't supposed to say anything in particular, it is just nice to know who's in favour who's against and who just wants to wait until a definite decision is made and then say " oh yes I agreed with that" to gain brownie points with the specific people, especially those in the BIP. you mention facts and figures, FACT places that have pedestrian only streets do better than pokey streets with narrow pavements and congested roads like Meneage Street. Whats the other option spend the money on a load of Cr@p that doesn't really do anything to bring shoppers in. And before anyone screams disability, I have a disability and would appreciate some of those l Ken Helston

11:40am Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Ken Helston wrote:
KrazyitchKatie, no you wern't supposed to say anything in particular, it is just nice to know who's in favour who's against and who just wants to wait until a definite decision is made and then say " oh yes I agreed with that" to gain brownie points with the specific people, especially those in the BIP.
you mention facts and figures, FACT places that have pedestrian only streets do better than pokey streets with narrow pavements and congested roads like Meneage Street. Whats the other option spend the money on a load of Cr@p that doesn't really do anything to bring shoppers in. And before anyone screams disability, I have a disability and would appreciate some of those l
You make it sound like your opinion is right and making assumptions (wrong ones) about mine.

I personally don't know much about the effects pedestrianisation has on a town so feel it would be wrong of me to 'vote' either way until I can make an informed argument for it instead of an emotional response.

An analysis of the knock on effects and plans for traffic flow and parking would rightly sway my opinion so, if you don't mind, I'll continue sitting on the fence for now. Quite publicly I might add, so i can't do your strange little brownie point scenario.
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: KrazyitchKatie, no you wern't supposed to say anything in particular, it is just nice to know who's in favour who's against and who just wants to wait until a definite decision is made and then say " oh yes I agreed with that" to gain brownie points with the specific people, especially those in the BIP. you mention facts and figures, FACT places that have pedestrian only streets do better than pokey streets with narrow pavements and congested roads like Meneage Street. Whats the other option spend the money on a load of Cr@p that doesn't really do anything to bring shoppers in. And before anyone screams disability, I have a disability and would appreciate some of those l[/p][/quote]You make it sound like your opinion is right and making assumptions (wrong ones) about mine. I personally don't know much about the effects pedestrianisation has on a town so feel it would be wrong of me to 'vote' either way until I can make an informed argument for it instead of an emotional response. An analysis of the knock on effects and plans for traffic flow and parking would rightly sway my opinion so, if you don't mind, I'll continue sitting on the fence for now. Quite publicly I might add, so i can't do your strange little brownie point scenario. krazyitchkatie

11:44am Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

Bloody hell where did the rest of my comment go.
I was saying, and would appreciate some of those lazy car drivers getting out of their cars and walking down the road. Too tight fisted to pay a car park but buy drinks and fags.
Bloody hell where did the rest of my comment go. I was saying, and would appreciate some of those lazy car drivers getting out of their cars and walking down the road. Too tight fisted to pay a car park but buy drinks and fags. Ken Helston

11:54am Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

We all know you belong to the BIP Krazyitch Katie, so hope the BIP stay out of this one and actually let the TC spend whats left of the money, because so far most of the BIPs money spending ideas have been Cr@p. If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected. This is the TCs money. You feel free to sit on the fence, that's a characteristic I think of BIP members. BTW did you go to the consultation ? did the BIP members all go ? to try to tell the council how to spend (waste) the money again?
We all know you belong to the BIP Krazyitch Katie, so hope the BIP stay out of this one and actually let the TC spend whats left of the money, because so far most of the BIPs money spending ideas have been Cr@p. If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected. This is the TCs money. You feel free to sit on the fence, that's a characteristic I think of BIP members. BTW did you go to the consultation ? did the BIP members all go ? to try to tell the council how to spend (waste) the money again? Ken Helston

11:57am Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

You say you will sit on the fence Katie quite publicly, yes we all know what a wonderful cleaning job the BIP are doing with your help, you make sure you tell us every five minutes on here. All our opinions are public on this website.
You say you will sit on the fence Katie quite publicly, yes we all know what a wonderful cleaning job the BIP are doing with your help, you make sure you tell us every five minutes on here. All our opinions are public on this website. Ken Helston

12:09pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Helston rules says...

The owner of Thr Rodney is called Neal Hicks!

Where do you suppose all these pedestrians will park their cars?

I only come to town after 4 for free parking, Helston car park prices are ridiculously high and the reason Helston is not thieving, this will only get worse if the parking facility in town is also removed.

Why would you pay 2 hours parking to nip into town for a pasty or pop to the post office?

By the way Ken, I don't smoke, I rarely drink and I find your generalization very arrogant, I'm also not tight fisted, I work very hard and save pennies wherever I can.

Just out of interest your comment spend the money on a load of cr@p interests me as I have no idea why ideas are a load of as you so maturely name cr@p!
The owner of Thr Rodney is called Neal Hicks! Where do you suppose all these pedestrians will park their cars? I only come to town after 4 for free parking, Helston car park prices are ridiculously high and the reason Helston is not thieving, this will only get worse if the parking facility in town is also removed. Why would you pay 2 hours parking to nip into town for a pasty or pop to the post office? By the way Ken, I don't smoke, I rarely drink and I find your generalization very arrogant, I'm also not tight fisted, I work very hard and save pennies wherever I can. Just out of interest your comment spend the money on a load of cr@p interests me as I have no idea why ideas are a load of as you so maturely name cr@p! Helston rules

12:23pm Wed 6 Nov 13

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I'm in complete favour of pedestrianisation of Meneage Street, however, I don't think comparing it with Falmouth will be much help, Falmouth only has a very short area of pedestrianisation between the entry to Church Street car-park where the bollards are and the exit of the car-park. St Austell would in my view be a better example, or Redruth.
I totally agree with your comment ,have not been to St Austell for ages , but pedestrianisation does work well in Redruth.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I'm in complete favour of pedestrianisation of Meneage Street, however, I don't think comparing it with Falmouth will be much help, Falmouth only has a very short area of pedestrianisation between the entry to Church Street car-park where the bollards are and the exit of the car-park. St Austell would in my view be a better example, or Redruth.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with your comment ,have not been to St Austell for ages , but pedestrianisation does work well in Redruth. meerkats

12:42pm Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Ken Helston wrote:
We all know you belong to the BIP Krazyitch Katie, so hope the BIP stay out of this one and actually let the TC spend whats left of the money, because so far most of the BIPs money spending ideas have been Cr@p. If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected. This is the TCs money. You feel free to sit on the fence, that's a characteristic I think of BIP members. BTW did you go to the consultation ? did the BIP members all go ? to try to tell the council how to spend (waste) the money again?
Wow.

The volunteers who make up the BIP are all members of the community who have as much right to an opinion and say on what happens in our town as anyone else.

You question my actions and opinions and that of the BIP, but far from sitting on the fence, we are getting out from behind our computer screens and doing what we can from stopping the town from going further downhill.

I'm only temporarily sitting on the fence until I have researched enough info to make an informed decision - more helpful i feel.
I don't own a business or property so am coming at this purely as a resident, as I did when I bothered to go to the public consultation.

What are you doing other than putting down other people's thought, suggestions and opinions?


p.s. of course I have mentioned town tidy when relevant - the town needs as many people to know about it and get involved as possible?!!
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: We all know you belong to the BIP Krazyitch Katie, so hope the BIP stay out of this one and actually let the TC spend whats left of the money, because so far most of the BIPs money spending ideas have been Cr@p. If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected. This is the TCs money. You feel free to sit on the fence, that's a characteristic I think of BIP members. BTW did you go to the consultation ? did the BIP members all go ? to try to tell the council how to spend (waste) the money again?[/p][/quote]Wow. The volunteers who make up the BIP are all members of the community who have as much right to an opinion and say on what happens in our town as anyone else. You question my actions and opinions and that of the BIP, but far from sitting on the fence, we are getting out from behind our computer screens and doing what we can from stopping the town from going further downhill. I'm only temporarily sitting on the fence until I have researched enough info to make an informed decision - more helpful i feel. I don't own a business or property so am coming at this purely as a resident, as I did when I bothered to go to the public consultation. What are you doing other than putting down other people's thought, suggestions and opinions? p.s. of course I have mentioned town tidy when relevant - the town needs as many people to know about it and get involved as possible?!! krazyitchkatie

12:43pm Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Quote Ken: If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected.


Ummm, this is the TC asking the public for their opinions so that comment is ridiculous.
Quote Ken: If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected. Ummm, this is the TC asking the public for their opinions so that comment is ridiculous. krazyitchkatie

1:08pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Quote Ken: If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected.


Ummm, this is the TC asking the public for their opinions so that comment is ridiculous.
I'm talking about get yourself elected if the BIP members want to keep spending the TCs money, like they want MORE money for a base in the town.And to answer Helston rules questions. The Cr@p ideas of the BIP and waste of money were the logo, the town guide book, a few hanging baskets, and money after money spent on administration and now they want more money from the council for a base in the town. Katie goes on about finding out facts and figures for the councils money for pedestrianisation yet the BIP seem incapable of spending any money wisely.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: Quote Ken: If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected. Ummm, this is the TC asking the public for their opinions so that comment is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I'm talking about get yourself elected if the BIP members want to keep spending the TCs money, like they want MORE money for a base in the town.And to answer Helston rules questions. The Cr@p ideas of the BIP and waste of money were the logo, the town guide book, a few hanging baskets, and money after money spent on administration and now they want more money from the council for a base in the town. Katie goes on about finding out facts and figures for the councils money for pedestrianisation yet the BIP seem incapable of spending any money wisely. Ken Helston

1:18pm Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Ken Helston wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
Quote Ken: If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected.


Ummm, this is the TC asking the public for their opinions so that comment is ridiculous.
I'm talking about get yourself elected if the BIP members want to keep spending the TCs money, like they want MORE money for a base in the town.And to answer Helston rules questions. The Cr@p ideas of the BIP and waste of money were the logo, the town guide book, a few hanging baskets, and money after money spent on administration and now they want more money from the council for a base in the town. Katie goes on about finding out facts and figures for the councils money for pedestrianisation yet the BIP seem incapable of spending any money wisely.
You missed a bit (conveniently?):

What are you doing other than putting down other people's thought, suggestions and opinions?
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: Quote Ken: If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected. Ummm, this is the TC asking the public for their opinions so that comment is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I'm talking about get yourself elected if the BIP members want to keep spending the TCs money, like they want MORE money for a base in the town.And to answer Helston rules questions. The Cr@p ideas of the BIP and waste of money were the logo, the town guide book, a few hanging baskets, and money after money spent on administration and now they want more money from the council for a base in the town. Katie goes on about finding out facts and figures for the councils money for pedestrianisation yet the BIP seem incapable of spending any money wisely.[/p][/quote]You missed a bit (conveniently?): What are you doing other than putting down other people's thought, suggestions and opinions? krazyitchkatie

1:19pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

Helston rules wrote:
The owner of Thr Rodney is called Neal Hicks!

Where do you suppose all these pedestrians will park their cars?

I only come to town after 4 for free parking, Helston car park prices are ridiculously high and the reason Helston is not thieving, this will only get worse if the parking facility in town is also removed.

Why would you pay 2 hours parking to nip into town for a pasty or pop to the post office?

By the way Ken, I don't smoke, I rarely drink and I find your generalization very arrogant, I'm also not tight fisted, I work very hard and save pennies wherever I can.

Just out of interest your comment spend the money on a load of cr@p interests me as I have no idea why ideas are a load of as you so maturely name cr@p!
er, you say where do I suppose they park? in the car parks, they are never full. If you think Helston carparks are dear what about Camborne, Penzance, Falmouth etc. I don't drive but I know because a neighbour tells me. If you only come to Helston after 4 then you wouldn't have a clue how empty the car parks are during the day. They are half empty because I walk through the Trengrouse Way one to get to the library. The ideas that I talk about are ideas by the BIP that have been put into action at the expense of a load of the Tesco Sainsbury money, thousands wasted on a logo, town guide, and officer after officer wages. You say would you pay for two hours just to pop into the town to get a pasty, no try walking, and I don't think people living real car distance away will drive all the way to Helston for a pasty.
[quote][p][bold]Helston rules[/bold] wrote: The owner of Thr Rodney is called Neal Hicks! Where do you suppose all these pedestrians will park their cars? I only come to town after 4 for free parking, Helston car park prices are ridiculously high and the reason Helston is not thieving, this will only get worse if the parking facility in town is also removed. Why would you pay 2 hours parking to nip into town for a pasty or pop to the post office? By the way Ken, I don't smoke, I rarely drink and I find your generalization very arrogant, I'm also not tight fisted, I work very hard and save pennies wherever I can. Just out of interest your comment spend the money on a load of cr@p interests me as I have no idea why ideas are a load of as you so maturely name cr@p![/p][/quote]er, you say where do I suppose they park? in the car parks, they are never full. If you think Helston carparks are dear what about Camborne, Penzance, Falmouth etc. I don't drive but I know because a neighbour tells me. If you only come to Helston after 4 then you wouldn't have a clue how empty the car parks are during the day. They are half empty because I walk through the Trengrouse Way one to get to the library. The ideas that I talk about are ideas by the BIP that have been put into action at the expense of a load of the Tesco Sainsbury money, thousands wasted on a logo, town guide, and officer after officer wages. You say would you pay for two hours just to pop into the town to get a pasty, no try walking, and I don't think people living real car distance away will drive all the way to Helston for a pasty. Ken Helston

1:27pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Ken Helston wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
Quote Ken: If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected.


Ummm, this is the TC asking the public for their opinions so that comment is ridiculous.
I'm talking about get yourself elected if the BIP members want to keep spending the TCs money, like they want MORE money for a base in the town.And to answer Helston rules questions. The Cr@p ideas of the BIP and waste of money were the logo, the town guide book, a few hanging baskets, and money after money spent on administration and now they want more money from the council for a base in the town. Katie goes on about finding out facts and figures for the councils money for pedestrianisation yet the BIP seem incapable of spending any money wisely.
You missed a bit (conveniently?):

What are you doing other than putting down other people's thought, suggestions and opinions?
I'm not putting down the thoughts and suggestions of other people that thought of a traffic free street, i'm putting their suggestions up, anything has to be better that the BIPS ideas of thousands of pounds spent on logos, officers, websites and town guides, remind me, how much is being spent on websites by the BIP. And how much did the logo cost? far more than it need have done?
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: Quote Ken: If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected. Ummm, this is the TC asking the public for their opinions so that comment is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I'm talking about get yourself elected if the BIP members want to keep spending the TCs money, like they want MORE money for a base in the town.And to answer Helston rules questions. The Cr@p ideas of the BIP and waste of money were the logo, the town guide book, a few hanging baskets, and money after money spent on administration and now they want more money from the council for a base in the town. Katie goes on about finding out facts and figures for the councils money for pedestrianisation yet the BIP seem incapable of spending any money wisely.[/p][/quote]You missed a bit (conveniently?): What are you doing other than putting down other people's thought, suggestions and opinions?[/p][/quote]I'm not putting down the thoughts and suggestions of other people that thought of a traffic free street, i'm putting their suggestions up, anything has to be better that the BIPS ideas of thousands of pounds spent on logos, officers, websites and town guides, remind me, how much is being spent on websites by the BIP. And how much did the logo cost? far more than it need have done? Ken Helston

1:30pm Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Ken Helston wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
Ken Helston wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
Quote Ken: If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected.


Ummm, this is the TC asking the public for their opinions so that comment is ridiculous.
I'm talking about get yourself elected if the BIP members want to keep spending the TCs money, like they want MORE money for a base in the town.And to answer Helston rules questions. The Cr@p ideas of the BIP and waste of money were the logo, the town guide book, a few hanging baskets, and money after money spent on administration and now they want more money from the council for a base in the town. Katie goes on about finding out facts and figures for the councils money for pedestrianisation yet the BIP seem incapable of spending any money wisely.
You missed a bit (conveniently?):

What are you doing other than putting down other people's thought, suggestions and opinions?
I'm not putting down the thoughts and suggestions of other people that thought of a traffic free street, i'm putting their suggestions up, anything has to be better that the BIPS ideas of thousands of pounds spent on logos, officers, websites and town guides, remind me, how much is being spent on websites by the BIP. And how much did the logo cost? far more than it need have done?
Well you don't know do you (neither do I before you ask, I wasn't involved in that) so why don't you take a leaf out of my book and find out the facts and figures before disparaging the genuine efforts of others.

Have you been to any public consultations? Have you offered to help? Have you contacted anyone in a constructive manner?

It's all very well sitting behind your computer bad mouthing people who have a different opinion to you, but if you don't put the effort in to make a positive difference, then you have very little to upon.
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: Quote Ken: If you want to make TC decisions then get yourself elected. Ummm, this is the TC asking the public for their opinions so that comment is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I'm talking about get yourself elected if the BIP members want to keep spending the TCs money, like they want MORE money for a base in the town.And to answer Helston rules questions. The Cr@p ideas of the BIP and waste of money were the logo, the town guide book, a few hanging baskets, and money after money spent on administration and now they want more money from the council for a base in the town. Katie goes on about finding out facts and figures for the councils money for pedestrianisation yet the BIP seem incapable of spending any money wisely.[/p][/quote]You missed a bit (conveniently?): What are you doing other than putting down other people's thought, suggestions and opinions?[/p][/quote]I'm not putting down the thoughts and suggestions of other people that thought of a traffic free street, i'm putting their suggestions up, anything has to be better that the BIPS ideas of thousands of pounds spent on logos, officers, websites and town guides, remind me, how much is being spent on websites by the BIP. And how much did the logo cost? far more than it need have done?[/p][/quote]Well you don't know do you (neither do I before you ask, I wasn't involved in that) so why don't you take a leaf out of my book and find out the facts and figures before disparaging the genuine efforts of others. Have you been to any public consultations? Have you offered to help? Have you contacted anyone in a constructive manner? It's all very well sitting behind your computer bad mouthing people who have a different opinion to you, but if you don't put the effort in to make a positive difference, then you have very little to upon. krazyitchkatie

1:38pm Wed 6 Nov 13

meerkats says...

Ken Helston wrote:
You say you will sit on the fence Katie quite publicly, yes we all know what a wonderful cleaning job the BIP are doing with your help, you make sure you tell us every five minutes on here. All our opinions are public on this website.
Your comment is unfair re the HBIP cleaning, the more people that know about it can volunteer to take part , so why shouldnt they post it on here,. Every 5 mins is a gross over exaggeration and all the volunteers and organisers have done a terrific job .
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: You say you will sit on the fence Katie quite publicly, yes we all know what a wonderful cleaning job the BIP are doing with your help, you make sure you tell us every five minutes on here. All our opinions are public on this website.[/p][/quote]Your comment is unfair re the HBIP cleaning, the more people that know about it can volunteer to take part , so why shouldnt they post it on here,. Every 5 mins is a gross over exaggeration and all the volunteers and organisers have done a terrific job . meerkats

1:50pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

Helston rules wrote:
The owner of Thr Rodney is called Neal Hicks!

Where do you suppose all these pedestrians will park their cars?

I only come to town after 4 for free parking, Helston car park prices are ridiculously high and the reason Helston is not thieving, this will only get worse if the parking facility in town is also removed.

Why would you pay 2 hours parking to nip into town for a pasty or pop to the post office?

By the way Ken, I don't smoke, I rarely drink and I find your generalization very arrogant, I'm also not tight fisted, I work very hard and save pennies wherever I can.

Just out of interest your comment spend the money on a load of cr@p interests me as I have no idea why ideas are a load of as you so maturely name cr@p!
What has the owner of the Rodney got to do with this? If you have something to say then put up or shut up a?
[quote][p][bold]Helston rules[/bold] wrote: The owner of Thr Rodney is called Neal Hicks! Where do you suppose all these pedestrians will park their cars? I only come to town after 4 for free parking, Helston car park prices are ridiculously high and the reason Helston is not thieving, this will only get worse if the parking facility in town is also removed. Why would you pay 2 hours parking to nip into town for a pasty or pop to the post office? By the way Ken, I don't smoke, I rarely drink and I find your generalization very arrogant, I'm also not tight fisted, I work very hard and save pennies wherever I can. Just out of interest your comment spend the money on a load of cr@p interests me as I have no idea why ideas are a load of as you so maturely name cr@p![/p][/quote]What has the owner of the Rodney got to do with this? If you have something to say then put up or shut up a? Ken Helston

1:53pm Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

meerkats wrote:
Ken Helston wrote:
You say you will sit on the fence Katie quite publicly, yes we all know what a wonderful cleaning job the BIP are doing with your help, you make sure you tell us every five minutes on here. All our opinions are public on this website.
Your comment is unfair re the HBIP cleaning, the more people that know about it can volunteer to take part , so why shouldnt they post it on here,. Every 5 mins is a gross over exaggeration and all the volunteers and organisers have done a terrific job .
Thank you on behalf of the volunteers.

Noone should be putting anyone down for making an effort to improve things.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion on the article above so there's no need for irrelevant personal attacks.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: You say you will sit on the fence Katie quite publicly, yes we all know what a wonderful cleaning job the BIP are doing with your help, you make sure you tell us every five minutes on here. All our opinions are public on this website.[/p][/quote]Your comment is unfair re the HBIP cleaning, the more people that know about it can volunteer to take part , so why shouldnt they post it on here,. Every 5 mins is a gross over exaggeration and all the volunteers and organisers have done a terrific job .[/p][/quote]Thank you on behalf of the volunteers. Noone should be putting anyone down for making an effort to improve things. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on the article above so there's no need for irrelevant personal attacks. krazyitchkatie

2:07pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

BTW Helston rules, funny sort of user name for someone that reckons they only come to Helston shopping after 4 for free parking. And you put Helston isn't thieving, don't you mean thriving. I bloody hope Helston isn't thieving.
BTW Helston rules, funny sort of user name for someone that reckons they only come to Helston shopping after 4 for free parking. And you put Helston isn't thieving, don't you mean thriving. I bloody hope Helston isn't thieving. Ken Helston

2:34pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Pedestrian only zones within town centres are becoming increasingly popular throughout the country. One of the reasons this concept works is because food outlets can expand onto the street, along with option of other displays outside shops. A shared space concept can be introduced to allow deliveries within marked bays, and a crossing with tactile paving to aid the visually impaired can be placed for use during specified delivery times.
Street entertainment is also an option within a pedestrian area, additionally the safety of pedestrianised areas attracts those with children and people with disabilities, as freedom of movement around the street is easier.
The increase in trade I believe will exceed any loss of trade by the removal of on road parking bays in Meneage Street, bays would still be available in Coinagehall Street.
At the present time, the parallel parking bays in Meneage Street cause traffic congestion due to road width.

As quite rightly pointed out by ex Town Councillor Keith Reynolds, when the road was closed for several weeks whilst works were carried out, an increase in trade was reported, which subsequently dropped when the road reopened.
Pedestrian only zones within town centres are becoming increasingly popular throughout the country. One of the reasons this concept works is because food outlets can expand onto the street, along with option of other displays outside shops. A shared space concept can be introduced to allow deliveries within marked bays, and a crossing with tactile paving to aid the visually impaired can be placed for use during specified delivery times. Street entertainment is also an option within a pedestrian area, additionally the safety of pedestrianised areas attracts those with children and people with disabilities, as freedom of movement around the street is easier. The increase in trade I believe will exceed any loss of trade by the removal of on road parking bays in Meneage Street, bays would still be available in Coinagehall Street. At the present time, the parallel parking bays in Meneage Street cause traffic congestion due to road width. As quite rightly pointed out by ex Town Councillor Keith Reynolds, when the road was closed for several weeks whilst works were carried out, an increase in trade was reported, which subsequently dropped when the road reopened. Gillian Zella Martin 09

2:34pm Wed 6 Nov 13

TheOriginaDelboy says...

Ken,

You may think BIP members are superhuman for giving up so much of their own time to help the town but they are tax payers as well and probably more so than many other people, some are even tenants of the town centre.

Not only do they volunteer their time freely but I would guess many of them pay council tax and business rates, so I think the TC may be interested in what their personal opinions are as well. As I said before if the public find other things to do when being asked what to spend the money on, the TC cannot just sit on the money forever.

The TC are trying to engage the public, if the only people who bother turning up to these public meetings are BIP members and Cllrs, then that is where the suggestions will come from.
Ken, You may think BIP members are superhuman for giving up so much of their own time to help the town but they are tax payers as well and probably more so than many other people, some are even tenants of the town centre. Not only do they volunteer their time freely but I would guess many of them pay council tax and business rates, so I think the TC may be interested in what their personal opinions are as well. As I said before if the public find other things to do when being asked what to spend the money on, the TC cannot just sit on the money forever. The TC are trying to engage the public, if the only people who bother turning up to these public meetings are BIP members and Cllrs, then that is where the suggestions will come from. TheOriginaDelboy

2:43pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Helston rules says...

Ken Helston wrote:
Helston rules wrote:
The owner of Thr Rodney is called Neal Hicks!

Where do you suppose all these pedestrians will park their cars?

I only come to town after 4 for free parking, Helston car park prices are ridiculously high and the reason Helston is not thieving, this will only get worse if the parking facility in town is also removed.

Why would you pay 2 hours parking to nip into town for a pasty or pop to the post office?

By the way Ken, I don't smoke, I rarely drink and I find your generalization very arrogant, I'm also not tight fisted, I work very hard and save pennies wherever I can.

Just out of interest your comment spend the money on a load of cr@p interests me as I have no idea why ideas are a load of as you so maturely name cr@p!
What has the owner of the Rodney got to do with this? If you have something to say then put up or shut up a?
Because they printed his name as Neil Higgs!

Get some manners you rude little man
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston rules[/bold] wrote: The owner of Thr Rodney is called Neal Hicks! Where do you suppose all these pedestrians will park their cars? I only come to town after 4 for free parking, Helston car park prices are ridiculously high and the reason Helston is not thieving, this will only get worse if the parking facility in town is also removed. Why would you pay 2 hours parking to nip into town for a pasty or pop to the post office? By the way Ken, I don't smoke, I rarely drink and I find your generalization very arrogant, I'm also not tight fisted, I work very hard and save pennies wherever I can. Just out of interest your comment spend the money on a load of cr@p interests me as I have no idea why ideas are a load of as you so maturely name cr@p![/p][/quote]What has the owner of the Rodney got to do with this? If you have something to say then put up or shut up a?[/p][/quote]Because they printed his name as Neil Higgs! Get some manners you rude little man Helston rules

2:44pm Wed 6 Nov 13

TheOriginaDelboy says...

For the record, this story comes from one meeting and I believe they will be many more before a decision is made.
For the record, this story comes from one meeting and I believe they will be many more before a decision is made. TheOriginaDelboy

2:47pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

Ok Delboy you have a point, but it just seems KrazyitchKatie is always blowing her own trumpet on here about the cleaning work going on in the town and how hard it was and how hard they worked, it is good, ive said so in the past, but we don't need it shoved down our throats.
Are you telling me then that NO members of the public turned up to the consultation?
Ok Delboy you have a point, but it just seems KrazyitchKatie is always blowing her own trumpet on here about the cleaning work going on in the town and how hard it was and how hard they worked, it is good, ive said so in the past, but we don't need it shoved down our throats. Are you telling me then that NO members of the public turned up to the consultation? Ken Helston

2:48pm Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Ken Helston wrote:
Ok Delboy you have a point, but it just seems KrazyitchKatie is always blowing her own trumpet on here about the cleaning work going on in the town and how hard it was and how hard they worked, it is good, ive said so in the past, but we don't need it shoved down our throats.
Are you telling me then that NO members of the public turned up to the consultation?
wtf??

You've yet to tell us about all the hard work and effort you put in for the good of the town Ken.
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: Ok Delboy you have a point, but it just seems KrazyitchKatie is always blowing her own trumpet on here about the cleaning work going on in the town and how hard it was and how hard they worked, it is good, ive said so in the past, but we don't need it shoved down our throats. Are you telling me then that NO members of the public turned up to the consultation?[/p][/quote]wtf?? You've yet to tell us about all the hard work and effort you put in for the good of the town Ken. krazyitchkatie

2:51pm Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Ken Helston wrote:
Ok Delboy you have a point, but it just seems KrazyitchKatie is always blowing her own trumpet on here about the cleaning work going on in the town and how hard it was and how hard they worked, it is good, ive said so in the past, but we don't need it shoved down our throats.
Are you telling me then that NO members of the public turned up to the consultation?
wtf??

You've yet to tell us about all the hard work and effort you put in for the good of the town Ken.
Seriously though Ken, stay on track with positive criticism relevant to the above article?

You are the one who is bringing up town tidy, I haven't mentioned it in a long time. But be warned, I am currently organising the next one, so yes, I will be shouting about it again to try and get as many people in the town to take responsibility for their own mess. And I make no apology for that.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: Ok Delboy you have a point, but it just seems KrazyitchKatie is always blowing her own trumpet on here about the cleaning work going on in the town and how hard it was and how hard they worked, it is good, ive said so in the past, but we don't need it shoved down our throats. Are you telling me then that NO members of the public turned up to the consultation?[/p][/quote]wtf?? You've yet to tell us about all the hard work and effort you put in for the good of the town Ken.[/p][/quote]Seriously though Ken, stay on track with positive criticism relevant to the above article? You are the one who is bringing up town tidy, I haven't mentioned it in a long time. But be warned, I am currently organising the next one, so yes, I will be shouting about it again to try and get as many people in the town to take responsibility for their own mess. And I make no apology for that. krazyitchkatie

2:55pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Helston rules says...

Ken Helston wrote:
BTW Helston rules, funny sort of user name for someone that reckons they only come to Helston shopping after 4 for free parking. And you put Helston isn't thieving, don't you mean thriving. I bloody hope Helston isn't thieving.
I didn't I say I only come to Helston for free parking! I said I come to Helston when I can park for free!

Your attitude and maturity is clearly challenged, something that can be changed over the course of a few years, my spelling errors are down to being partially sighted perhaps when you graduate from uni with your brain surgeon degree you may be able to cure me, after all you seem to think you are a touch above the rest.
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: BTW Helston rules, funny sort of user name for someone that reckons they only come to Helston shopping after 4 for free parking. And you put Helston isn't thieving, don't you mean thriving. I bloody hope Helston isn't thieving.[/p][/quote]I didn't I say I only come to Helston for free parking! I said I come to Helston when I can park for free! Your attitude and maturity is clearly challenged, something that can be changed over the course of a few years, my spelling errors are down to being partially sighted perhaps when you graduate from uni with your brain surgeon degree you may be able to cure me, after all you seem to think you are a touch above the rest. Helston rules

3:05pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

Helston rules wrote:
Ken Helston wrote:
BTW Helston rules, funny sort of user name for someone that reckons they only come to Helston shopping after 4 for free parking. And you put Helston isn't thieving, don't you mean thriving. I bloody hope Helston isn't thieving.
I didn't I say I only come to Helston for free parking! I said I come to Helston when I can park for free!

Your attitude and maturity is clearly challenged, something that can be changed over the course of a few years, my spelling errors are down to being partially sighted perhaps when you graduate from uni with your brain surgeon degree you may be able to cure me, after all you seem to think you are a touch above the rest.
I take it being partially sighted doesn't affect your driving capabilities then?
Funny that, because when I notified the DVLA of mine, that is exactly why I had to give up driving and no longer drive and have to rely on public transport.
[quote][p][bold]Helston rules[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: BTW Helston rules, funny sort of user name for someone that reckons they only come to Helston shopping after 4 for free parking. And you put Helston isn't thieving, don't you mean thriving. I bloody hope Helston isn't thieving.[/p][/quote]I didn't I say I only come to Helston for free parking! I said I come to Helston when I can park for free! Your attitude and maturity is clearly challenged, something that can be changed over the course of a few years, my spelling errors are down to being partially sighted perhaps when you graduate from uni with your brain surgeon degree you may be able to cure me, after all you seem to think you are a touch above the rest.[/p][/quote]I take it being partially sighted doesn't affect your driving capabilities then? Funny that, because when I notified the DVLA of mine, that is exactly why I had to give up driving and no longer drive and have to rely on public transport. Ken Helston

3:12pm Wed 6 Nov 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Once again the old chestnut pedestrianisation rears its head. Discussed many times and still considered by some to answer to Helstons decline.
It would be a disaster that would be impossible to recover. Helston needs to encourage passing trade and decreasing parking in the town centre can only decrease the chance of that happening.
The ideas for parking in coinagehall street are good and should of been implemented years ago.
Once again the old chestnut pedestrianisation rears its head. Discussed many times and still considered by some to answer to Helstons decline. It would be a disaster that would be impossible to recover. Helston needs to encourage passing trade and decreasing parking in the town centre can only decrease the chance of that happening. The ideas for parking in coinagehall street are good and should of been implemented years ago. ronedgcumbe

3:19pm Wed 6 Nov 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Once again the old chestnut pedestrianisation rears its head. Discussed many times and still considered by some to be the answer to Helstons decline.
It would be a disaster that would be impossible to recover. Helston needs to encourage passing trade and decreasing parking in the town centre can only decrease the chance of that happening.
The ideas for parking in coinagehall street are good and should of been implemented years ago.
Once again the old chestnut pedestrianisation rears its head. Discussed many times and still considered by some to be the answer to Helstons decline. It would be a disaster that would be impossible to recover. Helston needs to encourage passing trade and decreasing parking in the town centre can only decrease the chance of that happening. The ideas for parking in coinagehall street are good and should of been implemented years ago. ronedgcumbe

3:19pm Wed 6 Nov 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Once again the old chestnut pedestrianisation rears its head. Discussed many times and still considered by some to be the answer to Helstons decline.
It would be a disaster that would be impossible to recover. Helston needs to encourage passing trade and decreasing parking in the town centre can only decrease the chance of that happening.
The ideas for parking in coinagehall street are good and should of been implemented years ago.
Once again the old chestnut pedestrianisation rears its head. Discussed many times and still considered by some to be the answer to Helstons decline. It would be a disaster that would be impossible to recover. Helston needs to encourage passing trade and decreasing parking in the town centre can only decrease the chance of that happening. The ideas for parking in coinagehall street are good and should of been implemented years ago. ronedgcumbe

3:24pm Wed 6 Nov 13

meerkats says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Once again the old chestnut pedestrianisation rears its head. Discussed many times and still considered by some to answer to Helstons decline.
It would be a disaster that would be impossible to recover. Helston needs to encourage passing trade and decreasing parking in the town centre can only decrease the chance of that happening.
The ideas for parking in coinagehall street are good and should of been implemented years ago.
Think a lot of people ,elderly people . people with a disability and parents would prefer to have the street closed to traffic, it would be so much easier to get around and safer too. When it was closed recently for the street markets and some of the cafes put tables and chairs out ,it gave a whoie new atmosphere and it was lovely .
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Once again the old chestnut pedestrianisation rears its head. Discussed many times and still considered by some to answer to Helstons decline. It would be a disaster that would be impossible to recover. Helston needs to encourage passing trade and decreasing parking in the town centre can only decrease the chance of that happening. The ideas for parking in coinagehall street are good and should of been implemented years ago.[/p][/quote]Think a lot of people ,elderly people . people with a disability and parents would prefer to have the street closed to traffic, it would be so much easier to get around and safer too. When it was closed recently for the street markets and some of the cafes put tables and chairs out ,it gave a whoie new atmosphere and it was lovely . meerkats

3:30pm Wed 6 Nov 13

meerkats says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Once again the old chestnut pedestrianisation rears its head. Discussed many times and still considered by some to be the answer to Helstons decline.
It would be a disaster that would be impossible to recover. Helston needs to encourage passing trade and decreasing parking in the town centre can only decrease the chance of that happening.
The ideas for parking in coinagehall street are good and should of been implemented years ago.
3 times thats a lot of chestnuts lol . I have made this mistake often and sent the same comment twice, no doubt Ken will have something negative to say.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Once again the old chestnut pedestrianisation rears its head. Discussed many times and still considered by some to be the answer to Helstons decline. It would be a disaster that would be impossible to recover. Helston needs to encourage passing trade and decreasing parking in the town centre can only decrease the chance of that happening. The ideas for parking in coinagehall street are good and should of been implemented years ago.[/p][/quote]3 times thats a lot of chestnuts lol . I have made this mistake often and sent the same comment twice, no doubt Ken will have something negative to say. meerkats

3:46pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I personally would like to see Meneage Street pedestrianised, however, I do respect the opinions of those that do not agree. We all have different ideal shopping experience ideas. Ultimately no doubt, one of the main deciding factors will be total eventual available funds with which to make a decision upon, after match funding has been sought.
Whatever the outcome, I will continue to support Helston Town Centre and hope others will do the same. The museum, Epworth Hall and the Penrose Road Art Centre are all worth a visit and so are the many drinking and eating establishments within the town centre, in addition of course to the good selection of independent shops.
I personally would like to see Meneage Street pedestrianised, however, I do respect the opinions of those that do not agree. We all have different ideal shopping experience ideas. Ultimately no doubt, one of the main deciding factors will be total eventual available funds with which to make a decision upon, after match funding has been sought. Whatever the outcome, I will continue to support Helston Town Centre and hope others will do the same. The museum, Epworth Hall and the Penrose Road Art Centre are all worth a visit and so are the many drinking and eating establishments within the town centre, in addition of course to the good selection of independent shops. Gillian Zella Martin 09

3:51pm Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I personally would like to see Meneage Street pedestrianised, however, I do respect the opinions of those that do not agree. We all have different ideal shopping experience ideas. Ultimately no doubt, one of the main deciding factors will be total eventual available funds with which to make a decision upon, after match funding has been sought.
Whatever the outcome, I will continue to support Helston Town Centre and hope others will do the same. The museum, Epworth Hall and the Penrose Road Art Centre are all worth a visit and so are the many drinking and eating establishments within the town centre, in addition of course to the good selection of independent shops.
Agree :-)


My initial emotional response to the thought of pedestrianisation was no, because it was convenient for me to be able to drive down and it might adversely affect businesses. However, I like the idea of an al fresco style street scene and community mingling area. It would be lovely.

That said, before i say definitively which way my vote would go, I would only vote yes if there was enough evidence and support to show it would be an improvement to the town, as I would guess, is the case for everyone.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I personally would like to see Meneage Street pedestrianised, however, I do respect the opinions of those that do not agree. We all have different ideal shopping experience ideas. Ultimately no doubt, one of the main deciding factors will be total eventual available funds with which to make a decision upon, after match funding has been sought. Whatever the outcome, I will continue to support Helston Town Centre and hope others will do the same. The museum, Epworth Hall and the Penrose Road Art Centre are all worth a visit and so are the many drinking and eating establishments within the town centre, in addition of course to the good selection of independent shops.[/p][/quote]Agree :-) My initial emotional response to the thought of pedestrianisation was no, because it was convenient for me to be able to drive down and it might adversely affect businesses. However, I like the idea of an al fresco style street scene and community mingling area. It would be lovely. That said, before i say definitively which way my vote would go, I would only vote yes if there was enough evidence and support to show it would be an improvement to the town, as I would guess, is the case for everyone. krazyitchkatie

4:07pm Wed 6 Nov 13

TheMover says...

'Ken Helston' seems to have a chip on his shoulder. WHY the hell he is beating up on the HBIP and Krazyitchkatie I really don't know, after all she/they actually get off their butts, use their own very limited free time to MAKE A DIFFERENCE to this town. There were a great many people at the meeting including taxpaying members of HBIP, ALL of whom were entitled to PUT FORWARD A N Y IDEA'S AT ALL! How dare you criticise her/them for trying to make a difference. When YOU get off your high horse and bother to do anything REAL and practical THEN you can slag them off. As for saying she is 'always on here blowing her own trumpet' is nothing more than a a pettyminded insult and you should **** WELL APOLOGISE!!! Meantime, we'll all wait to see you on the next town tidy event. Meantime this site was welcoming POSITIVE COMMENT and contribution by ANYONE with a viewpoint about the suggestions put forward!
'Ken Helston' seems to have a chip on his shoulder. WHY the hell he is beating up on the HBIP and Krazyitchkatie I really don't know, after all she/they actually get off their butts, use their own very limited free time to MAKE A DIFFERENCE to this town. There were a great many people at the meeting including taxpaying members of HBIP, ALL of whom were entitled to PUT FORWARD A N Y IDEA'S AT ALL! How dare you criticise her/them for trying to make a difference. When YOU get off your high horse and bother to do anything REAL and practical THEN you can slag them off. As for saying she is 'always on here blowing her own trumpet' is nothing more than a a pettyminded insult and you should **** WELL APOLOGISE!!! Meantime, we'll all wait to see you on the next town tidy event. Meantime this site was welcoming POSITIVE COMMENT and contribution by ANYONE with a viewpoint about the suggestions put forward! TheMover

4:28pm Wed 6 Nov 13

TheMover says...

Further more, there were a great many interesting ideas put forward, and I underline 'ideas put forward', nothing was written in stone, it was just that. Pedestrianizing Meneage st. might be a good idea, it would be good to see it made more user friendly and if that helps business it has to be a positive. Having said that, Helston is very steep and I think a lot of elderly/disabled/ might find it a struggle. A few more seats dotted around though would help them. Love the idea of the herringbone parking, so much easier and practical. (Tesco's did agree it would be a good idea in there car park, but failed to implement it). Overhead glass shelters would be wonderful if the money could run to it! (Doubt it of course).
Further more, there were a great many interesting ideas put forward, and I underline 'ideas put forward', nothing was written in stone, it was just that. Pedestrianizing Meneage st. might be a good idea, it would be good to see it made more user friendly and if that helps business it has to be a positive. Having said that, Helston is very steep and I think a lot of elderly/disabled/ might find it a struggle. A few more seats dotted around though would help them. Love the idea of the herringbone parking, so much easier and practical. (Tesco's did agree it would be a good idea in there car park, but failed to implement it). Overhead glass shelters would be wonderful if the money could run to it! (Doubt it of course). TheMover

5:27pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

TheMover wrote:
'Ken Helston' seems to have a chip on his shoulder. WHY the hell he is beating up on the HBIP and Krazyitchkatie I really don't know, after all she/they actually get off their butts, use their own very limited free time to MAKE A DIFFERENCE to this town. There were a great many people at the meeting including taxpaying members of HBIP, ALL of whom were entitled to PUT FORWARD A N Y IDEA'S AT ALL! How dare you criticise her/them for trying to make a difference. When YOU get off your high horse and bother to do anything REAL and practical THEN you can slag them off. As for saying she is 'always on here blowing her own trumpet' is nothing more than a a pettyminded insult and you should **** WELL APOLOGISE!!! Meantime, we'll all wait to see you on the next town tidy event. Meantime this site was welcoming POSITIVE COMMENT and contribution by ANYONE with a viewpoint about the suggestions put forward!
How dare I criticise those trying to make a difference, its a matter of opinion if the BIP are making a difference and considering all the money they spent I should hope they are making a difference. And as for telling people positive comments are welcome only, this is a democracy not everyone has to say what you want to hear, why SHOULD I be positive about the BIP if I don't want to, and Gill Martins letter in the Packet is rot, I don't think the TC and the BIP are working hard for Helston. She has got it all wrong if she thinks they are.
You TheMover need to get off your high horse and STOP telling people what to think. This is not a dictatorship. Take a look at the thumbs up on comments that criticise the BIP, that gives you a clue what people think of the BIP.
[quote][p][bold]TheMover[/bold] wrote: 'Ken Helston' seems to have a chip on his shoulder. WHY the hell he is beating up on the HBIP and Krazyitchkatie I really don't know, after all she/they actually get off their butts, use their own very limited free time to MAKE A DIFFERENCE to this town. There were a great many people at the meeting including taxpaying members of HBIP, ALL of whom were entitled to PUT FORWARD A N Y IDEA'S AT ALL! How dare you criticise her/them for trying to make a difference. When YOU get off your high horse and bother to do anything REAL and practical THEN you can slag them off. As for saying she is 'always on here blowing her own trumpet' is nothing more than a a pettyminded insult and you should **** WELL APOLOGISE!!! Meantime, we'll all wait to see you on the next town tidy event. Meantime this site was welcoming POSITIVE COMMENT and contribution by ANYONE with a viewpoint about the suggestions put forward![/p][/quote]How dare I criticise those trying to make a difference, its a matter of opinion if the BIP are making a difference and considering all the money they spent I should hope they are making a difference. And as for telling people positive comments are welcome only, this is a democracy not everyone has to say what you want to hear, why SHOULD I be positive about the BIP if I don't want to, and Gill Martins letter in the Packet is rot, I don't think the TC and the BIP are working hard for Helston. She has got it all wrong if she thinks they are. You TheMover need to get off your high horse and STOP telling people what to think. This is not a dictatorship. Take a look at the thumbs up on comments that criticise the BIP, that gives you a clue what people think of the BIP. Ken Helston

5:32pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

Oh and I forgot to mention, I cant find anything positive to say about the BIP giving out money in grants to tenants and landlords.,,and given to a Cllr that still hasn't opened his shop I don't think!!!!
Oh and I forgot to mention, I cant find anything positive to say about the BIP giving out money in grants to tenants and landlords.,,and given to a Cllr that still hasn't opened his shop I don't think!!!! Ken Helston

5:40pm Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Ken = hypocrite who refuses to acknowledge his indiscretions and let us know what he does to help that makes him so qualified to criticise those trying their best.
Ken = hypocrite who refuses to acknowledge his indiscretions and let us know what he does to help that makes him so qualified to criticise those trying their best. krazyitchkatie

5:49pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

I don't work for the water company or the council but it still doesn't mean I want them to waste money on our behalf. What I do has nothing to do with the BIP giving out money in grants to Cllrs for unopened shops.= waste of money I think.
I don't work for the water company or the council but it still doesn't mean I want them to waste money on our behalf. What I do has nothing to do with the BIP giving out money in grants to Cllrs for unopened shops.= waste of money I think. Ken Helston

5:51pm Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

Ken Helston wrote:
I don't work for the water company or the council but it still doesn't mean I want them to waste money on our behalf. What I do has nothing to do with the BIP giving out money in grants to Cllrs for unopened shops.= waste of money I think.
Obviously I don't mean who you work for, but what you do to help the situation instead of sitting behind a computer screen criticising the efforts of those actually trying to make positive change.
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: I don't work for the water company or the council but it still doesn't mean I want them to waste money on our behalf. What I do has nothing to do with the BIP giving out money in grants to Cllrs for unopened shops.= waste of money I think.[/p][/quote]Obviously I don't mean who you work for, but what you do to help the situation instead of sitting behind a computer screen criticising the efforts of those actually trying to make positive change. krazyitchkatie

6:16pm Wed 6 Nov 13

meerkats says...

i think the area of grass just below the Trengrouse Way toilets , would look nice if it was turned into a feature ((without being a distraction to drivers of course) some plants and shrubs and i am really getting imaginative now . a sculpture of 2 Flora Day dancers would be nice but probably very costly. seats could also be put in place.
i think the area of grass just below the Trengrouse Way toilets , would look nice if it was turned into a feature ((without being a distraction to drivers of course) some plants and shrubs and i am really getting imaginative now . a sculpture of 2 Flora Day dancers would be nice but probably very costly. seats could also be put in place. meerkats

6:17pm Wed 6 Nov 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Ignoring the pedestrianisation idea which hopefully will turn out to be a non runner again I actualy like most of the other surgestions mentioned.
Some items like for instance pop up shops seem outside of the monies remit but never mind. Had to work but hope to attend next time.
I am not sure it is fair to criticise people for not attending meetings or deciding not to help tidy the town. Many people have difficult work and family commitments and should not need to feel they need to apologise.
Ignoring the pedestrianisation idea which hopefully will turn out to be a non runner again I actualy like most of the other surgestions mentioned. Some items like for instance pop up shops seem outside of the monies remit but never mind. Had to work but hope to attend next time. I am not sure it is fair to criticise people for not attending meetings or deciding not to help tidy the town. Many people have difficult work and family commitments and should not need to feel they need to apologise. ronedgcumbe

6:21pm Wed 6 Nov 13

meerkats says...

I think the HBIP are doing a great job for the town .
I think the HBIP are doing a great job for the town . meerkats

6:27pm Wed 6 Nov 13

TheMover says...

YES it is a matter of opinion whether HBIP are making a difference but AT LEAST THEY ARE TRYING! SOOOO much easier for you to sit on here taking a pop at anyone who is bothering to try though isn't it. As for telling people what to think, that seems to be your prerogative. I was merely pointing out it is so much more helpful to be positive than to continually criticise and badmouth others for trying. As you told Krazyitchkatie to 'get elected to the TC', if you don't like what HBIP did with the money, join the group, do some REAL work and have a say. And I Didn't notice your apology to her! As for your 'thumbs up' .............LOL!
YES it is a matter of opinion whether HBIP are making a difference but AT LEAST THEY ARE TRYING! SOOOO much easier for you to sit on here taking a pop at anyone who is bothering to try though isn't it. As for telling people what to think, that seems to be your prerogative. I was merely pointing out it is so much more helpful to be positive than to continually criticise and badmouth others for trying. As you told Krazyitchkatie to 'get elected to the TC', if you don't like what HBIP did with the money, join the group, do some REAL work and have a say. And I Didn't notice your apology to her! As for your 'thumbs up' .............LOL! TheMover

6:35pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Bobbster says...

I think the pedestrianisation of Meneage street is a good idea. I am of the opinion that Helston does not like change, well my view is change or die!

Ok so we loose a few car parking spaces, the car park charges here are reasonable compared to other area's of the county.
I think the pedestrianisation of Meneage street is a good idea. I am of the opinion that Helston does not like change, well my view is change or die! Ok so we loose a few car parking spaces, the car park charges here are reasonable compared to other area's of the county. Bobbster

8:04pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

TheMover wrote:
YES it is a matter of opinion whether HBIP are making a difference but AT LEAST THEY ARE TRYING! SOOOO much easier for you to sit on here taking a pop at anyone who is bothering to try though isn't it. As for telling people what to think, that seems to be your prerogative. I was merely pointing out it is so much more helpful to be positive than to continually criticise and badmouth others for trying. As you told Krazyitchkatie to 'get elected to the TC', if you don't like what HBIP did with the money, join the group, do some REAL work and have a say. And I Didn't notice your apology to her! As for your 'thumbs up' .............LOL!
Dont make me laugh. Blowing your own trumpet is a saying that means saying what you do yourself is good. If you read the back comments on here I think you'll find KrazyitchKatie said the cleaning work was such hard work and they did such a good job etc etc so in my book that is blowing your own trumpet, so forget the apology, and your dictatorial attitude. You might be used to bossing people about but not me you wont and what you don't realise is the more you rant on here the more you give the BIP a bad name I think.
Any member of the public that attended that meeting is a loser, as like ronedgcumbe said who are you to say what people should do round the town or what meetings they should go to. Not doing things round the town doesn't exclude us from an opinion. You don't even use your won name on here.
[quote][p][bold]TheMover[/bold] wrote: YES it is a matter of opinion whether HBIP are making a difference but AT LEAST THEY ARE TRYING! SOOOO much easier for you to sit on here taking a pop at anyone who is bothering to try though isn't it. As for telling people what to think, that seems to be your prerogative. I was merely pointing out it is so much more helpful to be positive than to continually criticise and badmouth others for trying. As you told Krazyitchkatie to 'get elected to the TC', if you don't like what HBIP did with the money, join the group, do some REAL work and have a say. And I Didn't notice your apology to her! As for your 'thumbs up' .............LOL![/p][/quote]Dont make me laugh. Blowing your own trumpet is a saying that means saying what you do yourself is good. If you read the back comments on here I think you'll find KrazyitchKatie said the cleaning work was such hard work and they did such a good job etc etc so in my book that is blowing your own trumpet, so forget the apology, and your dictatorial attitude. You might be used to bossing people about but not me you wont and what you don't realise is the more you rant on here the more you give the BIP a bad name I think. Any member of the public that attended that meeting is a loser, as like ronedgcumbe said who are you to say what people should do round the town or what meetings they should go to. Not doing things round the town doesn't exclude us from an opinion. You don't even use your won name on here. Ken Helston

8:09pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

meerkats wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Once again the old chestnut pedestrianisation rears its head. Discussed many times and still considered by some to be the answer to Helstons decline.
It would be a disaster that would be impossible to recover. Helston needs to encourage passing trade and decreasing parking in the town centre can only decrease the chance of that happening.
The ideas for parking in coinagehall street are good and should of been implemented years ago.
3 times thats a lot of chestnuts lol . I have made this mistake often and sent the same comment twice, no doubt Ken will have something negative to say.
I wasn't go to say anything about Ronedcumbes mistake in posting the comment three times, we all make that mistake probably at some time, so stop trying to start an argument meerkats, ronedgcumbe talks more sense than you even if he dosnt agree with the pedestrian area, that dosnt matter because that is his opinion.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Once again the old chestnut pedestrianisation rears its head. Discussed many times and still considered by some to be the answer to Helstons decline. It would be a disaster that would be impossible to recover. Helston needs to encourage passing trade and decreasing parking in the town centre can only decrease the chance of that happening. The ideas for parking in coinagehall street are good and should of been implemented years ago.[/p][/quote]3 times thats a lot of chestnuts lol . I have made this mistake often and sent the same comment twice, no doubt Ken will have something negative to say.[/p][/quote]I wasn't go to say anything about Ronedcumbes mistake in posting the comment three times, we all make that mistake probably at some time, so stop trying to start an argument meerkats, ronedgcumbe talks more sense than you even if he dosnt agree with the pedestrian area, that dosnt matter because that is his opinion. Ken Helston

8:35pm Wed 6 Nov 13

meerkats says...

I wasnt trying to start an argument i can assure you, its just that you werent very nice to Helston Rules when he made a spelling error on his comment so i thought you may have something to say to Ron. Doesnt bother me in the slightest if you think Ron talks more sense than me .. Judging by the replies you have had today from commenters maybe your comments dont make sense either.
I wasnt trying to start an argument i can assure you, its just that you werent very nice to Helston Rules when he made a spelling error on his comment so i thought you may have something to say to Ron. Doesnt bother me in the slightest if you think Ron talks more sense than me .. Judging by the replies you have had today from commenters maybe your comments dont make sense either. meerkats

8:49pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Ken Helston wrote:
TheMover wrote:
'Ken Helston' seems to have a chip on his shoulder. WHY the hell he is beating up on the HBIP and Krazyitchkatie I really don't know, after all she/they actually get off their butts, use their own very limited free time to MAKE A DIFFERENCE to this town. There were a great many people at the meeting including taxpaying members of HBIP, ALL of whom were entitled to PUT FORWARD A N Y IDEA'S AT ALL! How dare you criticise her/them for trying to make a difference. When YOU get off your high horse and bother to do anything REAL and practical THEN you can slag them off. As for saying she is 'always on here blowing her own trumpet' is nothing more than a a pettyminded insult and you should **** WELL APOLOGISE!!! Meantime, we'll all wait to see you on the next town tidy event. Meantime this site was welcoming POSITIVE COMMENT and contribution by ANYONE with a viewpoint about the suggestions put forward!
How dare I criticise those trying to make a difference, its a matter of opinion if the BIP are making a difference and considering all the money they spent I should hope they are making a difference. And as for telling people positive comments are welcome only, this is a democracy not everyone has to say what you want to hear, why SHOULD I be positive about the BIP if I don't want to, and Gill Martins letter in the Packet is rot, I don't think the TC and the BIP are working hard for Helston. She has got it all wrong if she thinks they are.
You TheMover need to get off your high horse and STOP telling people what to think. This is not a dictatorship. Take a look at the thumbs up on comments that criticise the BIP, that gives you a clue what people think of the BIP.
Ken, whilst you are entitled to your own opinion and it is of course your prerogative to dislike my letter, I believe it is unfair to state that I am wrong in that of which I wrote. I speak as I find, and I have written what I genuinely believe, I stand by my views no matter how much people like you choose to make derogatory remarks. I acknowledge the fact that generally speaking people are quick to complain about things in life, however, they are not always so quick to show appreciation, I therefore wanted to show my genuine appreciation for those that strive to make Helston Town a success.

We are all entitled to our opinions on here and I reiterate, I believe others opinions should be respected. It costs nothing to remain polite and a little tolerance of others would also not go amiss in my view. I realise it is an emotive subject but surely you must be able to acknowledge that calling members of the public who attended the public consultation "losers" is not a very pleasant categorisation, I myself attended that consultation as a member of the public.
Please just try to accept that others may see things from a different perspective from yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMover[/bold] wrote: 'Ken Helston' seems to have a chip on his shoulder. WHY the hell he is beating up on the HBIP and Krazyitchkatie I really don't know, after all she/they actually get off their butts, use their own very limited free time to MAKE A DIFFERENCE to this town. There were a great many people at the meeting including taxpaying members of HBIP, ALL of whom were entitled to PUT FORWARD A N Y IDEA'S AT ALL! How dare you criticise her/them for trying to make a difference. When YOU get off your high horse and bother to do anything REAL and practical THEN you can slag them off. As for saying she is 'always on here blowing her own trumpet' is nothing more than a a pettyminded insult and you should **** WELL APOLOGISE!!! Meantime, we'll all wait to see you on the next town tidy event. Meantime this site was welcoming POSITIVE COMMENT and contribution by ANYONE with a viewpoint about the suggestions put forward![/p][/quote]How dare I criticise those trying to make a difference, its a matter of opinion if the BIP are making a difference and considering all the money they spent I should hope they are making a difference. And as for telling people positive comments are welcome only, this is a democracy not everyone has to say what you want to hear, why SHOULD I be positive about the BIP if I don't want to, and Gill Martins letter in the Packet is rot, I don't think the TC and the BIP are working hard for Helston. She has got it all wrong if she thinks they are. You TheMover need to get off your high horse and STOP telling people what to think. This is not a dictatorship. Take a look at the thumbs up on comments that criticise the BIP, that gives you a clue what people think of the BIP.[/p][/quote]Ken, whilst you are entitled to your own opinion and it is of course your prerogative to dislike my letter, I believe it is unfair to state that I am wrong in that of which I wrote. I speak as I find, and I have written what I genuinely believe, I stand by my views no matter how much people like you choose to make derogatory remarks. I acknowledge the fact that generally speaking people are quick to complain about things in life, however, they are not always so quick to show appreciation, I therefore wanted to show my genuine appreciation for those that strive to make Helston Town a success. We are all entitled to our opinions on here and I reiterate, I believe others opinions should be respected. It costs nothing to remain polite and a little tolerance of others would also not go amiss in my view. I realise it is an emotive subject but surely you must be able to acknowledge that calling members of the public who attended the public consultation "losers" is not a very pleasant categorisation, I myself attended that consultation as a member of the public. Please just try to accept that others may see things from a different perspective from yourself. Gillian Zella Martin 09

9:18pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

Fair enough Gill, you do actually have a point, you and Delboy are the only ones that talk any sense on here anyway. I just wish I knew who you were I could give you an award for your tact and diplomacy. I know who Delboy is he makes a nice coffee.
Fair enough Gill, you do actually have a point, you and Delboy are the only ones that talk any sense on here anyway. I just wish I knew who you were I could give you an award for your tact and diplomacy. I know who Delboy is he makes a nice coffee. Ken Helston

9:54pm Wed 6 Nov 13

TheMover says...

ken Helston.............
.................the more WE rant on here gives the BIP a bad name!?!?!? I think you are hell bent on that! I am not part of the HBIP but I DO know what krazyitchkatie wrote about it being hard work and what a good job got done, is absolutely right. She wasn't 'blowing her own trumpet' as you so snidely put it, nor was I telling anyone what to do. You just can't stand anyone else's point of view. Your remark that anyone that attended the meeting is a loser, glaringly shows you up for what you are. I shan't bother to respond to you again, as it is a complete waste of time when we are supposed to be commenting on the ACTUAL improvement process/ideas rather than spotlighting you.
WELL DONE TO EVERYONE THAT IS BOTHERING TO THINK ABOUT AND SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS AND TO HBIP FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS.
ken Helston............. .................the more WE rant on here gives the BIP a bad name!?!?!? I think you are hell bent on that! I am not part of the HBIP but I DO know what krazyitchkatie wrote about it being hard work and what a good job got done, is absolutely right. She wasn't 'blowing her own trumpet' as you so snidely put it, nor was I telling anyone what to do. You just can't stand anyone else's point of view. Your remark that anyone that attended the meeting is a loser, glaringly shows you up for what you are. I shan't bother to respond to you again, as it is a complete waste of time when we are supposed to be commenting on the ACTUAL improvement process/ideas rather than spotlighting you. WELL DONE TO EVERYONE THAT IS BOTHERING TO THINK ABOUT AND SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS AND TO HBIP FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS. TheMover

10:53pm Wed 6 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

TheMover wrote:
ken Helston.............

.................the more WE rant on here gives the BIP a bad name!?!?!? I think you are hell bent on that! I am not part of the HBIP but I DO know what krazyitchkatie wrote about it being hard work and what a good job got done, is absolutely right. She wasn't 'blowing her own trumpet' as you so snidely put it, nor was I telling anyone what to do. You just can't stand anyone else's point of view. Your remark that anyone that attended the meeting is a loser, glaringly shows you up for what you are. I shan't bother to respond to you again, as it is a complete waste of time when we are supposed to be commenting on the ACTUAL improvement process/ideas rather than spotlighting you.
WELL DONE TO EVERYONE THAT IS BOTHERING TO THINK ABOUT AND SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS AND TO HBIP FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS.
Wow, that sounds like to me emotional involvement. And where anywhere on this link TheMover is your comment on the ideas or process that you keep telling others they should be commenting on, I have, I said I like the idea of a pedestrianized area, your'e the one that has made no comment on the ideas themselves at all. I was beginning to come round but ive changed my mind now.

Gill I think you really are a loser because you went to the meeting. ronedgcumbe is right in his post, why should people apologise for not helping in the town or going to the meetings if they have commitments.
[quote][p][bold]TheMover[/bold] wrote: ken Helston............. .................the more WE rant on here gives the BIP a bad name!?!?!? I think you are hell bent on that! I am not part of the HBIP but I DO know what krazyitchkatie wrote about it being hard work and what a good job got done, is absolutely right. She wasn't 'blowing her own trumpet' as you so snidely put it, nor was I telling anyone what to do. You just can't stand anyone else's point of view. Your remark that anyone that attended the meeting is a loser, glaringly shows you up for what you are. I shan't bother to respond to you again, as it is a complete waste of time when we are supposed to be commenting on the ACTUAL improvement process/ideas rather than spotlighting you. WELL DONE TO EVERYONE THAT IS BOTHERING TO THINK ABOUT AND SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS AND TO HBIP FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS.[/p][/quote]Wow, that sounds like to me emotional involvement. And where anywhere on this link TheMover is your comment on the ideas or process that you keep telling others they should be commenting on, I have, I said I like the idea of a pedestrianized area, your'e the one that has made no comment on the ideas themselves at all. I was beginning to come round but ive changed my mind now. Gill I think you really are a loser because you went to the meeting. ronedgcumbe is right in his post, why should people apologise for not helping in the town or going to the meetings if they have commitments. Ken Helston

11:05pm Wed 6 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

I don't think any more comments are required.

As per usual ken has made an utter joke of himself with his rudeness, delusion and crassness.

Thanks ken, for turning what could've been an interesting and useful forum of ideas into a ridiculous debacle of your childish attitude.

GZM - I hope that your levelheadedness and thoughtful comments shine through.
I don't think any more comments are required. As per usual ken has made an utter joke of himself with his rudeness, delusion and crassness. Thanks ken, for turning what could've been an interesting and useful forum of ideas into a ridiculous debacle of your childish attitude. GZM - I hope that your levelheadedness and thoughtful comments shine through. krazyitchkatie

7:44am Thu 7 Nov 13

meerkats says...

Ken Helston wrote:
Fair enough Gill, you do actually have a point, you and Delboy are the only ones that talk any sense on here anyway. I just wish I knew who you were I could give you an award for your tact and diplomacy. I know who Delboy is he makes a nice coffee.
Thanks very much for that comment.
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: Fair enough Gill, you do actually have a point, you and Delboy are the only ones that talk any sense on here anyway. I just wish I knew who you were I could give you an award for your tact and diplomacy. I know who Delboy is he makes a nice coffee.[/p][/quote]Thanks very much for that comment. meerkats

7:48am Thu 7 Nov 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Ken Helston wrote:
TheMover wrote:
ken Helston.............


.................the more WE rant on here gives the BIP a bad name!?!?!? I think you are hell bent on that! I am not part of the HBIP but I DO know what krazyitchkatie wrote about it being hard work and what a good job got done, is absolutely right. She wasn't 'blowing her own trumpet' as you so snidely put it, nor was I telling anyone what to do. You just can't stand anyone else's point of view. Your remark that anyone that attended the meeting is a loser, glaringly shows you up for what you are. I shan't bother to respond to you again, as it is a complete waste of time when we are supposed to be commenting on the ACTUAL improvement process/ideas rather than spotlighting you.
WELL DONE TO EVERYONE THAT IS BOTHERING TO THINK ABOUT AND SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS AND TO HBIP FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS.
Wow, that sounds like to me emotional involvement. And where anywhere on this link TheMover is your comment on the ideas or process that you keep telling others they should be commenting on, I have, I said I like the idea of a pedestrianized area, your'e the one that has made no comment on the ideas themselves at all. I was beginning to come round but ive changed my mind now.

Gill I think you really are a loser because you went to the meeting. ronedgcumbe is right in his post, why should people apologise for not helping in the town or going to the meetings if they have commitments.
Thanks Ken. Glad you agree.
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMover[/bold] wrote: ken Helston............. .................the more WE rant on here gives the BIP a bad name!?!?!? I think you are hell bent on that! I am not part of the HBIP but I DO know what krazyitchkatie wrote about it being hard work and what a good job got done, is absolutely right. She wasn't 'blowing her own trumpet' as you so snidely put it, nor was I telling anyone what to do. You just can't stand anyone else's point of view. Your remark that anyone that attended the meeting is a loser, glaringly shows you up for what you are. I shan't bother to respond to you again, as it is a complete waste of time when we are supposed to be commenting on the ACTUAL improvement process/ideas rather than spotlighting you. WELL DONE TO EVERYONE THAT IS BOTHERING TO THINK ABOUT AND SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS AND TO HBIP FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS.[/p][/quote]Wow, that sounds like to me emotional involvement. And where anywhere on this link TheMover is your comment on the ideas or process that you keep telling others they should be commenting on, I have, I said I like the idea of a pedestrianized area, your'e the one that has made no comment on the ideas themselves at all. I was beginning to come round but ive changed my mind now. Gill I think you really are a loser because you went to the meeting. ronedgcumbe is right in his post, why should people apologise for not helping in the town or going to the meetings if they have commitments.[/p][/quote]Thanks Ken. Glad you agree. ronedgcumbe

10:53am Thu 7 Nov 13

TheOriginaDelboy says...

For the record, I don't make coffee. I work in the kitchen, but thanks anyway :)

Highfive Gill :)
For the record, I don't make coffee. I work in the kitchen, but thanks anyway :) Highfive Gill :) TheOriginaDelboy

11:31am Thu 7 Nov 13

telstar1962 says...

Pedestrianization is an old idea which in the modern era has been around successfully in some places since the 1950's

Helston is ripe for this,particulary Meneage Street during limited hours of the day or night

It just needs ALL of the necessary groupings in the Town to come together,sit down, discuss it sensibly, then get on with it
Pedestrianization is an old idea which in the modern era has been around successfully in some places since the 1950's Helston is ripe for this,particulary Meneage Street during limited hours of the day or night It just needs ALL of the necessary groupings in the Town to come together,sit down, discuss it sensibly, then get on with it telstar1962

12:08pm Thu 7 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
I don't think any more comments are required.

As per usual ken has made an utter joke of himself with his rudeness, delusion and crassness.

Thanks ken, for turning what could've been an interesting and useful forum of ideas into a ridiculous debacle of your childish attitude.

GZM - I hope that your levelheadedness and thoughtful comments shine through.
Thank you Katie.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: I don't think any more comments are required. As per usual ken has made an utter joke of himself with his rudeness, delusion and crassness. Thanks ken, for turning what could've been an interesting and useful forum of ideas into a ridiculous debacle of your childish attitude. GZM - I hope that your levelheadedness and thoughtful comments shine through.[/p][/quote]Thank you Katie. Gillian Zella Martin 09

12:12pm Thu 7 Nov 13

TheOriginaDelboy says...

I'm not going to read all the comments above, I honestly don't have time or the necessary willpower.

As a member of the HBIP, I am proud of the amount work and progression of the HBIP since we started 2 years ago. If nothing else, it has bought the business community together.

The money was given to TC to "offset the loss of trade to town", that is all. There is not a dark area where people are enjoying holidays and fast cars. We are a bunch of local businesses (answerable to the TC) who are trying to "offset the loss of trade" since the supermarkets expanded. The 106 "donation" money is standard supermarket practice, I believe.

We were never consulted on whether they should be allowed to expand or not. The only positive thing out of that decision for us as businesses, was the money they "donated" to town.

All the money came with many rules of spending it including time limits. We have spent some money as best we can in our eyes to help Helston move forward. The TC still have most of the money. How they spend it is up to them, which is why they are consulting the public. You are being asked for answers, if you think you know what the HBIP are doing wrong, tell the TC where to spend the money to improve town. Don't sit here typing about what the HBIP are doing wrong because very few people read it and no one will usually answer. Tell the council what you think the public want.

I believe from the last two years we have spent something in the region of £70,000, which considering the amount of work we have got through isn't that much. (Equivalent of one respectable full time wage up country for two years or less if you are talking city worker).

There is no single correct answer as to how to "offset the loss of trade" due to these supermarkets. The town is suffering from online sales as well and being in the area of the country where we are, it's not the supermarkets fault. The town is evolving.

Not all HBIP volunteers are business owners and virtually all (if not all) are not landlords. If you disagree with a certain thing, contact the chair of the group. They are listed on the helstonbip.co.uk website, then you can get your answer.

At times it may seem that we are going on about certain subjects. But unless we promote our needs, we sit still. We need more people helping us and we can only do this by promoting what we are doing.

My personal life is taking an exciting turn, so I am leaving the HBIP soon so I have more time to myself and my family.

I hope to return next year at some point and get involved some more. I have enjoyed most of my time with the HBIP. Trying to defend our actions to people who cannot see the full picture is tiresome but hopefully my waffle has explained the fuller picture at times.

The HBIP are a bunch of good folk, trying to help town.

*takes coat, turns light off and closes door.......*
I'm not going to read all the comments above, I honestly don't have time or the necessary willpower. As a member of the HBIP, I am proud of the amount work and progression of the HBIP since we started 2 years ago. If nothing else, it has bought the business community together. The money was given to TC to "offset the loss of trade to town", that is all. There is not a dark area where people are enjoying holidays and fast cars. We are a bunch of local businesses (answerable to the TC) who are trying to "offset the loss of trade" since the supermarkets expanded. The 106 "donation" money is standard supermarket practice, I believe. We were never consulted on whether they should be allowed to expand or not. The only positive thing out of that decision for us as businesses, was the money they "donated" to town. All the money came with many rules of spending it including time limits. We have spent some money as best we can in our eyes to help Helston move forward. The TC still have most of the money. How they spend it is up to them, which is why they are consulting the public. You are being asked for answers, if you think you know what the HBIP are doing wrong, tell the TC where to spend the money to improve town. Don't sit here typing about what the HBIP are doing wrong because very few people read it and no one will usually answer. Tell the council what you think the public want. I believe from the last two years we have spent something in the region of £70,000, which considering the amount of work we have got through isn't that much. (Equivalent of one respectable full time wage up country for two years or less if you are talking city worker). There is no single correct answer as to how to "offset the loss of trade" due to these supermarkets. The town is suffering from online sales as well and being in the area of the country where we are, it's not the supermarkets fault. The town is evolving. Not all HBIP volunteers are business owners and virtually all (if not all) are not landlords. If you disagree with a certain thing, contact the chair of the group. They are listed on the helstonbip.co.uk website, then you can get your answer. At times it may seem that we are going on about certain subjects. But unless we promote our needs, we sit still. We need more people helping us and we can only do this by promoting what we are doing. My personal life is taking an exciting turn, so I am leaving the HBIP soon so I have more time to myself and my family. I hope to return next year at some point and get involved some more. I have enjoyed most of my time with the HBIP. Trying to defend our actions to people who cannot see the full picture is tiresome but hopefully my waffle has explained the fuller picture at times. The HBIP are a bunch of good folk, trying to help town. *takes coat, turns light off and closes door.......* TheOriginaDelboy

12:15pm Thu 7 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Pedestrianization is an old idea which in the modern era has been around successfully in some places since the 1950's

Helston is ripe for this,particulary Meneage Street during limited hours of the day or night

It just needs ALL of the necessary groupings in the Town to come together,sit down, discuss it sensibly, then get on with it
They did discuss it, and It is being looked into, it would require match funding on the public realm money being sought though I believe. I believe it is achievable.

We actually agree on something for once telstar :)
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Pedestrianization is an old idea which in the modern era has been around successfully in some places since the 1950's Helston is ripe for this,particulary Meneage Street during limited hours of the day or night It just needs ALL of the necessary groupings in the Town to come together,sit down, discuss it sensibly, then get on with it[/p][/quote]They did discuss it, and It is being looked into, it would require match funding on the public realm money being sought though I believe. I believe it is achievable. We actually agree on something for once telstar :) Gillian Zella Martin 09

12:33pm Thu 7 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Ken Helston wrote:
TheMover wrote:
ken Helston.............


.................the more WE rant on here gives the BIP a bad name!?!?!? I think you are hell bent on that! I am not part of the HBIP but I DO know what krazyitchkatie wrote about it being hard work and what a good job got done, is absolutely right. She wasn't 'blowing her own trumpet' as you so snidely put it, nor was I telling anyone what to do. You just can't stand anyone else's point of view. Your remark that anyone that attended the meeting is a loser, glaringly shows you up for what you are. I shan't bother to respond to you again, as it is a complete waste of time when we are supposed to be commenting on the ACTUAL improvement process/ideas rather than spotlighting you.
WELL DONE TO EVERYONE THAT IS BOTHERING TO THINK ABOUT AND SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS AND TO HBIP FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS.
Wow, that sounds like to me emotional involvement. And where anywhere on this link TheMover is your comment on the ideas or process that you keep telling others they should be commenting on, I have, I said I like the idea of a pedestrianized area, your'e the one that has made no comment on the ideas themselves at all. I was beginning to come round but ive changed my mind now.

Gill I think you really are a loser because you went to the meeting. ronedgcumbe is right in his post, why should people apologise for not helping in the town or going to the meetings if they have commitments.
Ken, if I am a "loser" because I went to the public consultation then so be it.
I would rather be a loser and do something constructive than criticise others that are trying to do something.
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMover[/bold] wrote: ken Helston............. .................the more WE rant on here gives the BIP a bad name!?!?!? I think you are hell bent on that! I am not part of the HBIP but I DO know what krazyitchkatie wrote about it being hard work and what a good job got done, is absolutely right. She wasn't 'blowing her own trumpet' as you so snidely put it, nor was I telling anyone what to do. You just can't stand anyone else's point of view. Your remark that anyone that attended the meeting is a loser, glaringly shows you up for what you are. I shan't bother to respond to you again, as it is a complete waste of time when we are supposed to be commenting on the ACTUAL improvement process/ideas rather than spotlighting you. WELL DONE TO EVERYONE THAT IS BOTHERING TO THINK ABOUT AND SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS AND TO HBIP FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS.[/p][/quote]Wow, that sounds like to me emotional involvement. And where anywhere on this link TheMover is your comment on the ideas or process that you keep telling others they should be commenting on, I have, I said I like the idea of a pedestrianized area, your'e the one that has made no comment on the ideas themselves at all. I was beginning to come round but ive changed my mind now. Gill I think you really are a loser because you went to the meeting. ronedgcumbe is right in his post, why should people apologise for not helping in the town or going to the meetings if they have commitments.[/p][/quote]Ken, if I am a "loser" because I went to the public consultation then so be it. I would rather be a loser and do something constructive than criticise others that are trying to do something. Gillian Zella Martin 09

12:36pm Thu 7 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

meerkats wrote:
i think the area of grass just below the Trengrouse Way toilets , would look nice if it was turned into a feature ((without being a distraction to drivers of course) some plants and shrubs and i am really getting imaginative now . a sculpture of 2 Flora Day dancers would be nice but probably very costly. seats could also be put in place.
meerkats I love your idea of a sculpture of two Flora Day dancers, that would look lovely.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: i think the area of grass just below the Trengrouse Way toilets , would look nice if it was turned into a feature ((without being a distraction to drivers of course) some plants and shrubs and i am really getting imaginative now . a sculpture of 2 Flora Day dancers would be nice but probably very costly. seats could also be put in place.[/p][/quote]meerkats I love your idea of a sculpture of two Flora Day dancers, that would look lovely. Gillian Zella Martin 09

12:38pm Thu 7 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

TheOriginaDelboy wrote:
For the record, I don't make coffee. I work in the kitchen, but thanks anyway :)

Highfive Gill :)
Thanks Delboy :)
[quote][p][bold]TheOriginaDelboy[/bold] wrote: For the record, I don't make coffee. I work in the kitchen, but thanks anyway :) Highfive Gill :)[/p][/quote]Thanks Delboy :) Gillian Zella Martin 09

1:33pm Thu 7 Nov 13

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
meerkats wrote:
i think the area of grass just below the Trengrouse Way toilets , would look nice if it was turned into a feature ((without being a distraction to drivers of course) some plants and shrubs and i am really getting imaginative now . a sculpture of 2 Flora Day dancers would be nice but probably very costly. seats could also be put in place.
meerkats I love your idea of a sculpture of two Flora Day dancers, that would look lovely.
Thanks Gill , just a random thought i had whilst walking past there yesterday.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: i think the area of grass just below the Trengrouse Way toilets , would look nice if it was turned into a feature ((without being a distraction to drivers of course) some plants and shrubs and i am really getting imaginative now . a sculpture of 2 Flora Day dancers would be nice but probably very costly. seats could also be put in place.[/p][/quote]meerkats I love your idea of a sculpture of two Flora Day dancers, that would look lovely.[/p][/quote]Thanks Gill , just a random thought i had whilst walking past there yesterday. meerkats

1:37pm Thu 7 Nov 13

krazyitchkatie says...

meerkats wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
meerkats wrote:
i think the area of grass just below the Trengrouse Way toilets , would look nice if it was turned into a feature ((without being a distraction to drivers of course) some plants and shrubs and i am really getting imaginative now . a sculpture of 2 Flora Day dancers would be nice but probably very costly. seats could also be put in place.
meerkats I love your idea of a sculpture of two Flora Day dancers, that would look lovely.
Thanks Gill , just a random thought i had whilst walking past there yesterday.
I'd love to see more of this, artistic sculpture depicting relevant stuff. Flora dancers would be lovely.

Lots of opinions, though, question whether the money should be spent on something 'useful' although what that would be is yet to be determined...!
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: i think the area of grass just below the Trengrouse Way toilets , would look nice if it was turned into a feature ((without being a distraction to drivers of course) some plants and shrubs and i am really getting imaginative now . a sculpture of 2 Flora Day dancers would be nice but probably very costly. seats could also be put in place.[/p][/quote]meerkats I love your idea of a sculpture of two Flora Day dancers, that would look lovely.[/p][/quote]Thanks Gill , just a random thought i had whilst walking past there yesterday.[/p][/quote]I'd love to see more of this, artistic sculpture depicting relevant stuff. Flora dancers would be lovely. Lots of opinions, though, question whether the money should be spent on something 'useful' although what that would be is yet to be determined...! krazyitchkatie

1:40pm Thu 7 Nov 13

meerkats says...

TheOriginaDelboy wrote:
For the record, I don't make coffee. I work in the kitchen, but thanks anyway :)

Highfive Gill :)
And very nice meals you do too.
[quote][p][bold]TheOriginaDelboy[/bold] wrote: For the record, I don't make coffee. I work in the kitchen, but thanks anyway :) Highfive Gill :)[/p][/quote]And very nice meals you do too. meerkats

3:27pm Thu 7 Nov 13

meerkats says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
meerkats wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
meerkats wrote:
i think the area of grass just below the Trengrouse Way toilets , would look nice if it was turned into a feature ((without being a distraction to drivers of course) some plants and shrubs and i am really getting imaginative now . a sculpture of 2 Flora Day dancers would be nice but probably very costly. seats could also be put in place.
meerkats I love your idea of a sculpture of two Flora Day dancers, that would look lovely.
Thanks Gill , just a random thought i had whilst walking past there yesterday.
I'd love to see more of this, artistic sculpture depicting relevant stuff. Flora dancers would be lovely.

Lots of opinions, though, question whether the money should be spent on something 'useful' although what that would be is yet to be determined...!
I doubt if it would ever happen ,but its just nice to tjhink what could be done if the money was available and enough public support for it . I always think the area at the top of Meneage Road by the former Bona Vista looks nice with the shrubs and stone , which set me thinking that the area i mentioned would look nice planted and thats when the sculptures came into mind.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: i think the area of grass just below the Trengrouse Way toilets , would look nice if it was turned into a feature ((without being a distraction to drivers of course) some plants and shrubs and i am really getting imaginative now . a sculpture of 2 Flora Day dancers would be nice but probably very costly. seats could also be put in place.[/p][/quote]meerkats I love your idea of a sculpture of two Flora Day dancers, that would look lovely.[/p][/quote]Thanks Gill , just a random thought i had whilst walking past there yesterday.[/p][/quote]I'd love to see more of this, artistic sculpture depicting relevant stuff. Flora dancers would be lovely. Lots of opinions, though, question whether the money should be spent on something 'useful' although what that would be is yet to be determined...![/p][/quote]I doubt if it would ever happen ,but its just nice to tjhink what could be done if the money was available and enough public support for it . I always think the area at the top of Meneage Road by the former Bona Vista looks nice with the shrubs and stone , which set me thinking that the area i mentioned would look nice planted and thats when the sculptures came into mind. meerkats

3:31pm Thu 7 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

meerkats wrote:
TheOriginaDelboy wrote:
For the record, I don't make coffee. I work in the kitchen, but thanks anyway :)

Highfive Gill :)
And very nice meals you do too.
I recommend the roast dinners. Lovely :)
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheOriginaDelboy[/bold] wrote: For the record, I don't make coffee. I work in the kitchen, but thanks anyway :) Highfive Gill :)[/p][/quote]And very nice meals you do too.[/p][/quote]I recommend the roast dinners. Lovely :) Gillian Zella Martin 09

3:48pm Thu 7 Nov 13

telstar1962 says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
telstar1962 wrote:
Pedestrianization is an old idea which in the modern era has been around successfully in some places since the 1950's

Helston is ripe for this,particulary Meneage Street during limited hours of the day or night

It just needs ALL of the necessary groupings in the Town to come together,sit down, discuss it sensibly, then get on with it
They did discuss it, and It is being looked into, it would require match funding on the public realm money being sought though I believe. I believe it is achievable.

We actually agree on something for once telstar :)
Hardly Rocket Science is it,Gill?

(my favourite subject,would you know?)
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Pedestrianization is an old idea which in the modern era has been around successfully in some places since the 1950's Helston is ripe for this,particulary Meneage Street during limited hours of the day or night It just needs ALL of the necessary groupings in the Town to come together,sit down, discuss it sensibly, then get on with it[/p][/quote]They did discuss it, and It is being looked into, it would require match funding on the public realm money being sought though I believe. I believe it is achievable. We actually agree on something for once telstar :)[/p][/quote]Hardly Rocket Science is it,Gill? (my favourite subject,would you know?) telstar1962

4:06pm Thu 7 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

The simplest and cheapest way to establish that pedestrianising Meneage Street would be a success and worth the expenditure, before actually doing so, would be to temporarily close it to traffic for six months and see if trade increases. Of course it would not be so inviting as a nicely paved level area, it would however give some idea of how successful a pedestrian only area would be. I personally am sure it would be a huge success if done properly.
The simplest and cheapest way to establish that pedestrianising Meneage Street would be a success and worth the expenditure, before actually doing so, would be to temporarily close it to traffic for six months and see if trade increases. Of course it would not be so inviting as a nicely paved level area, it would however give some idea of how successful a pedestrian only area would be. I personally am sure it would be a huge success if done properly. Gillian Zella Martin 09

4:35pm Thu 7 Nov 13

meerkats says...

Your comment is spot on as usual , a trial period closure is an excellent idea and at least it would give shopkeepers etc a chance to see if it will be beneficial to close it permanently. I agree that it would be a success if done properly.
Your comment is spot on as usual , a trial period closure is an excellent idea and at least it would give shopkeepers etc a chance to see if it will be beneficial to close it permanently. I agree that it would be a success if done properly. meerkats

5:11pm Thu 7 Nov 13

ronedgcumbe says...

A trail closure is a terrible idea. The only ones to gain from this would be the businesses in coinagehall street and the supermarkets
A trail closure is a terrible idea. The only ones to gain from this would be the businesses in coinagehall street and the supermarkets ronedgcumbe

6:13pm Thu 7 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
A trail closure is a terrible idea. The only ones to gain from this would be the businesses in coinagehall street and the supermarkets
Ron, whilst you are entitled to your opinion, you state that as a fact, when you have no proof whatsoever until it is tried.

Ex Councillor Keith Reynolds has already said that whilst the road was temporarily closed for several weeks for sewage repairs there was a reported upturn in trade, which subsequently dropped again when the road was reopened. I have complete respect for Keith Reynolds knowledge and opinions.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: A trail closure is a terrible idea. The only ones to gain from this would be the businesses in coinagehall street and the supermarkets[/p][/quote]Ron, whilst you are entitled to your opinion, you state that as a fact, when you have no proof whatsoever until it is tried. Ex Councillor Keith Reynolds has already said that whilst the road was temporarily closed for several weeks for sewage repairs there was a reported upturn in trade, which subsequently dropped again when the road was reopened. I have complete respect for Keith Reynolds knowledge and opinions. Gillian Zella Martin 09

6:33pm Thu 7 Nov 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Gill we will never agree on this one. Pedestrianisation is great for some townsand not for some. I am sure when this is considered properly as it has been it will be shown as a very bad Idea for Helston.
I do not recall Mr Reynolds survey and hope a more up to date survey is carried out.
Gill we will never agree on this one. Pedestrianisation is great for some townsand not for some. I am sure when this is considered properly as it has been it will be shown as a very bad Idea for Helston. I do not recall Mr Reynolds survey and hope a more up to date survey is carried out. ronedgcumbe

7:15pm Thu 7 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill we will never agree on this one. Pedestrianisation is great for some townsand not for some. I am sure when this is considered properly as it has been it will be shown as a very bad Idea for Helston.
I do not recall Mr Reynolds survey and hope a more up to date survey is carried out.
I will just point out it has not been fully investigated yet, this is currently ongoing by Mr Searle.

Perhaps you and I could find something else to agree on :)
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Gill we will never agree on this one. Pedestrianisation is great for some townsand not for some. I am sure when this is considered properly as it has been it will be shown as a very bad Idea for Helston. I do not recall Mr Reynolds survey and hope a more up to date survey is carried out.[/p][/quote]I will just point out it has not been fully investigated yet, this is currently ongoing by Mr Searle. Perhaps you and I could find something else to agree on :) Gillian Zella Martin 09

9:37pm Thu 7 Nov 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Well we agree on the herringbone parking in coinageehall street which I believe was my idea.
Well we agree on the herringbone parking in coinageehall street which I believe was my idea. ronedgcumbe

8:08am Fri 8 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Well we agree on the herringbone parking in coinageehall street which I believe was my idea.
Yes we do agree on that, but I think you will find it was suggested a long time ago by people, I suggested it in 1985 and no doubt many suggested it before you or I. Just a shame no one listens lol
Just for the record, I think the current parking charges in Helston are reasonable, if you only want an hour then I think a £1.00 is reasonable so to get two hours for a £1.00 to me is a bonus. Elsewhere in the county is more expensive and as for tourist places elsewhere in the country, One place in North Yorkshire was £2.30 for one hour. I thought that was a rip off.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Well we agree on the herringbone parking in coinageehall street which I believe was my idea.[/p][/quote]Yes we do agree on that, but I think you will find it was suggested a long time ago by people, I suggested it in 1985 and no doubt many suggested it before you or I. Just a shame no one listens lol Just for the record, I think the current parking charges in Helston are reasonable, if you only want an hour then I think a £1.00 is reasonable so to get two hours for a £1.00 to me is a bonus. Elsewhere in the county is more expensive and as for tourist places elsewhere in the country, One place in North Yorkshire was £2.30 for one hour. I thought that was a rip off. Gillian Zella Martin 09

8:45am Fri 8 Nov 13

telstar1962 says...

My solution,and one which works in many other Towns, is a partial Pedestrianization of Meneage Street.

And to explain, this would mean that the street would not be closed off to traffic on a permanent basis, but only at certain times of the day or night, reflecting the day-time or night-time economy in the Town. Of course delivery vehicles,and other Emergency and service vehicles would also need access as neccessary.

We already have the closure of Meneage Street at various times throughout the year for Markets,Flora Day, Christmas Lights Switch-on etc, so to give shoppers a pleasant experience whilst in Town, and without the threat of some old dirty Double-decker bus running you over !
My solution,and one which works in many other Towns, is a partial Pedestrianization of Meneage Street. And to explain, this would mean that the street would not be closed off to traffic on a permanent basis, but only at certain times of the day or night, reflecting the day-time or night-time economy in the Town. Of course delivery vehicles,and other Emergency and service vehicles would also need access as neccessary. We already have the closure of Meneage Street at various times throughout the year for Markets,Flora Day, Christmas Lights Switch-on etc, so to give shoppers a pleasant experience whilst in Town, and without the threat of some old dirty Double-decker bus running you over ! telstar1962

9:24am Fri 8 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

If they introduce a shared space concept as I previously mentioned, with designated marked out bays for deliveries and a tactile paved crossing with which to aid the visually impaired during designated delivery times, this does allow access for emergency vehicles, it would additionally allow access for those that want to residentially park in the street in the evenings and at night. With the road being pedestrianised for the majority of time throughout the weeks normal shopping hours.
If they introduce a shared space concept as I previously mentioned, with designated marked out bays for deliveries and a tactile paved crossing with which to aid the visually impaired during designated delivery times, this does allow access for emergency vehicles, it would additionally allow access for those that want to residentially park in the street in the evenings and at night. With the road being pedestrianised for the majority of time throughout the weeks normal shopping hours. Gillian Zella Martin 09

10:33am Fri 8 Nov 13

telstar1962 says...

Combining the ideas of myself and Gillian, the solution is found

Now for the money haha

Perhaps the shopkeepers could be asked to pay a donation of £10 a week each towards the match funding,seeing as they would be the ones benefitting from this wonderful idea.

If it's good enough for BID status bid, it's good enough for a proper vehicle free shopping area ?
Combining the ideas of myself and Gillian, the solution is found Now for the money haha Perhaps the shopkeepers could be asked to pay a donation of £10 a week each towards the match funding,seeing as they would be the ones benefitting from this wonderful idea. If it's good enough for BID status bid, it's good enough for a proper vehicle free shopping area ? telstar1962

11:48am Fri 8 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

A very good idea telstar, the only drawback could be if they became reliant on the ten pounds a week donation and subsequently if any of the shops were to close, there would be a shortfall. Depends for how long you propose the weekly donation continues.
A very good idea telstar, the only drawback could be if they became reliant on the ten pounds a week donation and subsequently if any of the shops were to close, there would be a shortfall. Depends for how long you propose the weekly donation continues. Gillian Zella Martin 09

1:59pm Fri 8 Nov 13

telstar1962 says...

Suppose the similar could be said for the business owner/shopkeeper's contribution to the BID status pot ?

Time limit of,say, 18 months
Suppose the similar could be said for the business owner/shopkeeper's contribution to the BID status pot ? Time limit of,say, 18 months telstar1962

2:24pm Fri 8 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Actually I don't think any contributions will/should be needed for the pedestrianisation, as the public realm money would be utilised ,and Mr Searle is supposed to find some match funding from somewhere, if he doesn't, then it will presumably be a whole new ball game, with lots of nice new questions asked by people like me.
Actually I don't think any contributions will/should be needed for the pedestrianisation, as the public realm money would be utilised ,and Mr Searle is supposed to find some match funding from somewhere, if he doesn't, then it will presumably be a whole new ball game, with lots of nice new questions asked by people like me. Gillian Zella Martin 09

10:06pm Fri 8 Nov 13

MarilynL says...

As someone who works in a shop in Meneage Street I am horrified by plans to close this street to traffic. With nowhere to park, people will simply drive up to Tesco or Sainsburys with their lovely free parking. Coinagehall Street is a nightmare at the best of times, with taxis, buses, stalls & double parking, there wont be room for any additional cars looking for somewhere to park. People hate paying parking charges, every day I find people blocking the entrance to my staff car park in an effort to avoid paying for a car park ticket. Forget the hanging baskets, the water features, the sculptures & other assorted nonsense, the one thing to boost trade in Helston is to abolish car park charges. Ive read comments from others regarding how the elderly & disabled would appreciate pedestrianisation, with all due respect, I expect the elderly & disabled find it much easier to negotiate the flat of Lidls, Tescos or Sainsburys than the uneven pavements and steep hills of Helston town. The very steep path to the car park is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. For good or bad, we now live in a modern world where people want to jump into their cars and go shopping, to close off a road that is full of shops is just plain madness.
As someone who works in a shop in Meneage Street I am horrified by plans to close this street to traffic. With nowhere to park, people will simply drive up to Tesco or Sainsburys with their lovely free parking. Coinagehall Street is a nightmare at the best of times, with taxis, buses, stalls & double parking, there wont be room for any additional cars looking for somewhere to park. People hate paying parking charges, every day I find people blocking the entrance to my staff car park in an effort to avoid paying for a car park ticket. Forget the hanging baskets, the water features, the sculptures & other assorted nonsense, the one thing to boost trade in Helston is to abolish car park charges. Ive read comments from others regarding how the elderly & disabled would appreciate pedestrianisation, with all due respect, I expect the elderly & disabled find it much easier to negotiate the flat of Lidls, Tescos or Sainsburys than the uneven pavements and steep hills of Helston town. The very steep path to the car park is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. For good or bad, we now live in a modern world where people want to jump into their cars and go shopping, to close off a road that is full of shops is just plain madness. MarilynL

10:27pm Fri 8 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

The car-parks are owned by Cornwall Council and the Town Council have no control over them. Cornwall Council will neither relinquish them to the Town Council or abolish the charges as they generate income in excess of £100,000 a year, the money of which is used for vital services.
Did you attend the public consultation to voice your opinion? I believe all businesses will be approached individually for opinion.
With respect, ideas other than pedestrianisation come from people that actually spend money in the town. However the public realm money is spent it cannot be spent on reducing Cornwall Council owned car-park charges, the money would eventually run out and there would be nothing to show for it.
The car-parks are owned by Cornwall Council and the Town Council have no control over them. Cornwall Council will neither relinquish them to the Town Council or abolish the charges as they generate income in excess of £100,000 a year, the money of which is used for vital services. Did you attend the public consultation to voice your opinion? I believe all businesses will be approached individually for opinion. With respect, ideas other than pedestrianisation come from people that actually spend money in the town. However the public realm money is spent it cannot be spent on reducing Cornwall Council owned car-park charges, the money would eventually run out and there would be nothing to show for it. Gillian Zella Martin 09

10:37pm Fri 8 Nov 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Agree I think that when this is properly looked yet again it will reach the same conclusion. You have to ask the question why are we paying someone to answer the the same question we have been asking for the last 30.
Bonkers.
Agree I think that when this is properly looked yet again it will reach the same conclusion. You have to ask the question why are we paying someone to answer the the same question we have been asking for the last 30. Bonkers. ronedgcumbe

10:43pm Fri 8 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Agree I think that when this is properly looked yet again it will reach the same conclusion. You have to ask the question why are we paying someone to answer the the same question we have been asking for the last 30.
Bonkers.
The Town Council are not paying someone to answer the question purely about pedestrianisation, they are paying someone to deal with the ring fenced public realm section 106 money and its expenditure and to obtain match funding for it. The Councillors are volunteers as you are aware and do have other jobs, they therefore need someone to deal with this project, whatever the eventuality is, as to in which way it is spent.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Agree I think that when this is properly looked yet again it will reach the same conclusion. You have to ask the question why are we paying someone to answer the the same question we have been asking for the last 30. Bonkers.[/p][/quote]The Town Council are not paying someone to answer the question purely about pedestrianisation, they are paying someone to deal with the ring fenced public realm section 106 money and its expenditure and to obtain match funding for it. The Councillors are volunteers as you are aware and do have other jobs, they therefore need someone to deal with this project, whatever the eventuality is, as to in which way it is spent. Gillian Zella Martin 09

11:18pm Fri 8 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

MarilynL wrote:
As someone who works in a shop in Meneage Street I am horrified by plans to close this street to traffic. With nowhere to park, people will simply drive up to Tesco or Sainsburys with their lovely free parking. Coinagehall Street is a nightmare at the best of times, with taxis, buses, stalls & double parking, there wont be room for any additional cars looking for somewhere to park. People hate paying parking charges, every day I find people blocking the entrance to my staff car park in an effort to avoid paying for a car park ticket. Forget the hanging baskets, the water features, the sculptures & other assorted nonsense, the one thing to boost trade in Helston is to abolish car park charges. Ive read comments from others regarding how the elderly & disabled would appreciate pedestrianisation, with all due respect, I expect the elderly & disabled find it much easier to negotiate the flat of Lidls, Tescos or Sainsburys than the uneven pavements and steep hills of Helston town. The very steep path to the car park is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. For good or bad, we now live in a modern world where people want to jump into their cars and go shopping, to close off a road that is full of shops is just plain madness.
People do park in the carparks I walk through the Trengrouse way one and its always busy so people must pay for them but there are always spaces where others could park. People shop in the supermarket because it is pedestrian friendly and no cars to dodge, not everyone drives, I go by bus and so do loads of others .But I prefer to amble round the town centre. When will these thick people get in their heads they cant have the carparks for free. How many times have I read on here you cant have the CC carparks because they don't belong to us in Helston. And as for slagging off peoples ideas like the statues and things, can they come up with any better ideas, other than keep saying Bla Bla bla CC car parks for free. Where have some of these people been for the last two years for goodness sake.
[quote][p][bold]MarilynL[/bold] wrote: As someone who works in a shop in Meneage Street I am horrified by plans to close this street to traffic. With nowhere to park, people will simply drive up to Tesco or Sainsburys with their lovely free parking. Coinagehall Street is a nightmare at the best of times, with taxis, buses, stalls & double parking, there wont be room for any additional cars looking for somewhere to park. People hate paying parking charges, every day I find people blocking the entrance to my staff car park in an effort to avoid paying for a car park ticket. Forget the hanging baskets, the water features, the sculptures & other assorted nonsense, the one thing to boost trade in Helston is to abolish car park charges. Ive read comments from others regarding how the elderly & disabled would appreciate pedestrianisation, with all due respect, I expect the elderly & disabled find it much easier to negotiate the flat of Lidls, Tescos or Sainsburys than the uneven pavements and steep hills of Helston town. The very steep path to the car park is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. For good or bad, we now live in a modern world where people want to jump into their cars and go shopping, to close off a road that is full of shops is just plain madness.[/p][/quote]People do park in the carparks I walk through the Trengrouse way one and its always busy so people must pay for them but there are always spaces where others could park. People shop in the supermarket because it is pedestrian friendly and no cars to dodge, not everyone drives, I go by bus and so do loads of others .But I prefer to amble round the town centre. When will these thick people get in their heads they cant have the carparks for free. How many times have I read on here you cant have the CC carparks because they don't belong to us in Helston. And as for slagging off peoples ideas like the statues and things, can they come up with any better ideas, other than keep saying Bla Bla bla CC car parks for free. Where have some of these people been for the last two years for goodness sake. Ken Helston

11:40pm Fri 8 Nov 13

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Agree I think that when this is properly looked yet again it will reach the same conclusion. You have to ask the question why are we paying someone to answer the the same question we have been asking for the last 30.
Bonkers.
The Town Council are not paying someone to answer the question purely about pedestrianisation, they are paying someone to deal with the ring fenced public realm section 106 money and its expenditure and to obtain match funding for it. The Councillors are volunteers as you are aware and do have other jobs, they therefore need someone to deal with this project, whatever the eventuality is, as to in which way it is spent.
I am not a fool who needs the obvious stating to him needlessly.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Agree I think that when this is properly looked yet again it will reach the same conclusion. You have to ask the question why are we paying someone to answer the the same question we have been asking for the last 30. Bonkers.[/p][/quote]The Town Council are not paying someone to answer the question purely about pedestrianisation, they are paying someone to deal with the ring fenced public realm section 106 money and its expenditure and to obtain match funding for it. The Councillors are volunteers as you are aware and do have other jobs, they therefore need someone to deal with this project, whatever the eventuality is, as to in which way it is spent.[/p][/quote]I am not a fool who needs the obvious stating to him needlessly. ronedgcumbe

7:14am Sat 9 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Agree I think that when this is properly looked yet again it will reach the same conclusion. You have to ask the question why are we paying someone to answer the the same question we have been asking for the last 30.
Bonkers.
The Town Council are not paying someone to answer the question purely about pedestrianisation, they are paying someone to deal with the ring fenced public realm section 106 money and its expenditure and to obtain match funding for it. The Councillors are volunteers as you are aware and do have other jobs, they therefore need someone to deal with this project, whatever the eventuality is, as to in which way it is spent.
I am not a fool who needs the obvious stating to him needlessly.
You I think, are a big fool ronedgcumbe because you are rude like me. That is a rude post. I might be rude, but I am no fool, would you talk to someone like that if you got on the Tcouncil? I don't want to get on the council but you said you do. You wouldn't last five mins I don't think on the council. I can see really the sense in what people post and the way you post is always to find fault with the TCouncil I think. The same TC you are desperate to join yet were 'foolish' enough to think youwould be elected without leafleting. You do need the obvious stated to you because otherwise why did you ask "why are we paying someone" If you knew the answer then why ask, or where you just being your usual self and trying to pick fault sarcastically with what the T Council does. Whether they do a pedestrian area or not they still need someone, so why ask. You say the T council is Bonkers, and don't deny it because that is exactly how your post reads, Pot kettle I think.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Agree I think that when this is properly looked yet again it will reach the same conclusion. You have to ask the question why are we paying someone to answer the the same question we have been asking for the last 30. Bonkers.[/p][/quote]The Town Council are not paying someone to answer the question purely about pedestrianisation, they are paying someone to deal with the ring fenced public realm section 106 money and its expenditure and to obtain match funding for it. The Councillors are volunteers as you are aware and do have other jobs, they therefore need someone to deal with this project, whatever the eventuality is, as to in which way it is spent.[/p][/quote]I am not a fool who needs the obvious stating to him needlessly.[/p][/quote]You I think, are a big fool ronedgcumbe because you are rude like me. That is a rude post. I might be rude, but I am no fool, would you talk to someone like that if you got on the Tcouncil? I don't want to get on the council but you said you do. You wouldn't last five mins I don't think on the council. I can see really the sense in what people post and the way you post is always to find fault with the TCouncil I think. The same TC you are desperate to join yet were 'foolish' enough to think youwould be elected without leafleting. You do need the obvious stated to you because otherwise why did you ask "why are we paying someone" If you knew the answer then why ask, or where you just being your usual self and trying to pick fault sarcastically with what the T Council does. Whether they do a pedestrian area or not they still need someone, so why ask. You say the T council is Bonkers, and don't deny it because that is exactly how your post reads, Pot kettle I think. Ken Helston

7:37am Sat 9 Nov 13

Eddy boy says...

Ken Helston wrote:
MarilynL wrote:
As someone who works in a shop in Meneage Street I am horrified by plans to close this street to traffic. With nowhere to park, people will simply drive up to Tesco or Sainsburys with their lovely free parking. Coinagehall Street is a nightmare at the best of times, with taxis, buses, stalls & double parking, there wont be room for any additional cars looking for somewhere to park. People hate paying parking charges, every day I find people blocking the entrance to my staff car park in an effort to avoid paying for a car park ticket. Forget the hanging baskets, the water features, the sculptures & other assorted nonsense, the one thing to boost trade in Helston is to abolish car park charges. Ive read comments from others regarding how the elderly & disabled would appreciate pedestrianisation, with all due respect, I expect the elderly & disabled find it much easier to negotiate the flat of Lidls, Tescos or Sainsburys than the uneven pavements and steep hills of Helston town. The very steep path to the car park is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. For good or bad, we now live in a modern world where people want to jump into their cars and go shopping, to close off a road that is full of shops is just plain madness.
People do park in the carparks I walk through the Trengrouse way one and its always busy so people must pay for them but there are always spaces where others could park. People shop in the supermarket because it is pedestrian friendly and no cars to dodge, not everyone drives, I go by bus and so do loads of others .But I prefer to amble round the town centre. When will these thick people get in their heads they cant have the carparks for free. How many times have I read on here you cant have the CC carparks because they don't belong to us in Helston. And as for slagging off peoples ideas like the statues and things, can they come up with any better ideas, other than keep saying Bla Bla bla CC car parks for free. Where have some of these people been for the last two years for goodness sake.
What's your definition of thick Ken?

I find your comments rude and thoughtless, did you have a couple of Spingos before you wrote the last one?

You upset Helstonrules when you commented saying he shouldn't drive if he is partially sited and ridiculed his spelling,I know this person and for your information he doesn't drive but he works very hard for disadvantaged people in helston and certainly doesn't deserve to be Kenned!

Your attitude and people skills are diabolical which is perhaps why you hide behind a computer to get you kicks.

Grow up
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarilynL[/bold] wrote: As someone who works in a shop in Meneage Street I am horrified by plans to close this street to traffic. With nowhere to park, people will simply drive up to Tesco or Sainsburys with their lovely free parking. Coinagehall Street is a nightmare at the best of times, with taxis, buses, stalls & double parking, there wont be room for any additional cars looking for somewhere to park. People hate paying parking charges, every day I find people blocking the entrance to my staff car park in an effort to avoid paying for a car park ticket. Forget the hanging baskets, the water features, the sculptures & other assorted nonsense, the one thing to boost trade in Helston is to abolish car park charges. Ive read comments from others regarding how the elderly & disabled would appreciate pedestrianisation, with all due respect, I expect the elderly & disabled find it much easier to negotiate the flat of Lidls, Tescos or Sainsburys than the uneven pavements and steep hills of Helston town. The very steep path to the car park is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. For good or bad, we now live in a modern world where people want to jump into their cars and go shopping, to close off a road that is full of shops is just plain madness.[/p][/quote]People do park in the carparks I walk through the Trengrouse way one and its always busy so people must pay for them but there are always spaces where others could park. People shop in the supermarket because it is pedestrian friendly and no cars to dodge, not everyone drives, I go by bus and so do loads of others .But I prefer to amble round the town centre. When will these thick people get in their heads they cant have the carparks for free. How many times have I read on here you cant have the CC carparks because they don't belong to us in Helston. And as for slagging off peoples ideas like the statues and things, can they come up with any better ideas, other than keep saying Bla Bla bla CC car parks for free. Where have some of these people been for the last two years for goodness sake.[/p][/quote]What's your definition of thick Ken? I find your comments rude and thoughtless, did you have a couple of Spingos before you wrote the last one? You upset Helstonrules when you commented saying he shouldn't drive if he is partially sited and ridiculed his spelling,I know this person and for your information he doesn't drive but he works very hard for disadvantaged people in helston and certainly doesn't deserve to be Kenned! Your attitude and people skills are diabolical which is perhaps why you hide behind a computer to get you kicks. Grow up Eddy boy

8:08am Sat 9 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

Eddy boy wrote:
Ken Helston wrote:
MarilynL wrote:
As someone who works in a shop in Meneage Street I am horrified by plans to close this street to traffic. With nowhere to park, people will simply drive up to Tesco or Sainsburys with their lovely free parking. Coinagehall Street is a nightmare at the best of times, with taxis, buses, stalls & double parking, there wont be room for any additional cars looking for somewhere to park. People hate paying parking charges, every day I find people blocking the entrance to my staff car park in an effort to avoid paying for a car park ticket. Forget the hanging baskets, the water features, the sculptures & other assorted nonsense, the one thing to boost trade in Helston is to abolish car park charges. Ive read comments from others regarding how the elderly & disabled would appreciate pedestrianisation, with all due respect, I expect the elderly & disabled find it much easier to negotiate the flat of Lidls, Tescos or Sainsburys than the uneven pavements and steep hills of Helston town. The very steep path to the car park is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. For good or bad, we now live in a modern world where people want to jump into their cars and go shopping, to close off a road that is full of shops is just plain madness.
People do park in the carparks I walk through the Trengrouse way one and its always busy so people must pay for them but there are always spaces where others could park. People shop in the supermarket because it is pedestrian friendly and no cars to dodge, not everyone drives, I go by bus and so do loads of others .But I prefer to amble round the town centre. When will these thick people get in their heads they cant have the carparks for free. How many times have I read on here you cant have the CC carparks because they don't belong to us in Helston. And as for slagging off peoples ideas like the statues and things, can they come up with any better ideas, other than keep saying Bla Bla bla CC car parks for free. Where have some of these people been for the last two years for goodness sake.
What's your definition of thick Ken?

I find your comments rude and thoughtless, did you have a couple of Spingos before you wrote the last one?

You upset Helstonrules when you commented saying he shouldn't drive if he is partially sited and ridiculed his spelling,I know this person and for your information he doesn't drive but he works very hard for disadvantaged people in helston and certainly doesn't deserve to be Kenned!

Your attitude and people skills are diabolical which is perhaps why you hide behind a computer to get you kicks.

Grow up
Well it was a bit daft Helstonrules saying he only comes into Helston after 4 oclock when the parking is free then. And then following his comment up by saying he is partially sighted. I am partially sighted and that's why I had to give up driving I told the DVLA. If people write lies on here then it will get misunderstood. He shouldn't have said he only parks after 4 when it is free. And yeah maybe I had a drink last night, but meerkats on here suggested the statue and I suggested the fountain, and I don't find it too polite of Marilyn to say forget all that nonsense. Especially when she doesn't suggest anything herself. And to say forget the hanging baskets, that's not nice for all those people that paid for them. So maybe she should think about people skills.
[quote][p][bold]Eddy boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarilynL[/bold] wrote: As someone who works in a shop in Meneage Street I am horrified by plans to close this street to traffic. With nowhere to park, people will simply drive up to Tesco or Sainsburys with their lovely free parking. Coinagehall Street is a nightmare at the best of times, with taxis, buses, stalls & double parking, there wont be room for any additional cars looking for somewhere to park. People hate paying parking charges, every day I find people blocking the entrance to my staff car park in an effort to avoid paying for a car park ticket. Forget the hanging baskets, the water features, the sculptures & other assorted nonsense, the one thing to boost trade in Helston is to abolish car park charges. Ive read comments from others regarding how the elderly & disabled would appreciate pedestrianisation, with all due respect, I expect the elderly & disabled find it much easier to negotiate the flat of Lidls, Tescos or Sainsburys than the uneven pavements and steep hills of Helston town. The very steep path to the car park is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. For good or bad, we now live in a modern world where people want to jump into their cars and go shopping, to close off a road that is full of shops is just plain madness.[/p][/quote]People do park in the carparks I walk through the Trengrouse way one and its always busy so people must pay for them but there are always spaces where others could park. People shop in the supermarket because it is pedestrian friendly and no cars to dodge, not everyone drives, I go by bus and so do loads of others .But I prefer to amble round the town centre. When will these thick people get in their heads they cant have the carparks for free. How many times have I read on here you cant have the CC carparks because they don't belong to us in Helston. And as for slagging off peoples ideas like the statues and things, can they come up with any better ideas, other than keep saying Bla Bla bla CC car parks for free. Where have some of these people been for the last two years for goodness sake.[/p][/quote]What's your definition of thick Ken? I find your comments rude and thoughtless, did you have a couple of Spingos before you wrote the last one? You upset Helstonrules when you commented saying he shouldn't drive if he is partially sited and ridiculed his spelling,I know this person and for your information he doesn't drive but he works very hard for disadvantaged people in helston and certainly doesn't deserve to be Kenned! Your attitude and people skills are diabolical which is perhaps why you hide behind a computer to get you kicks. Grow up[/p][/quote]Well it was a bit daft Helstonrules saying he only comes into Helston after 4 oclock when the parking is free then. And then following his comment up by saying he is partially sighted. I am partially sighted and that's why I had to give up driving I told the DVLA. If people write lies on here then it will get misunderstood. He shouldn't have said he only parks after 4 when it is free. And yeah maybe I had a drink last night, but meerkats on here suggested the statue and I suggested the fountain, and I don't find it too polite of Marilyn to say forget all that nonsense. Especially when she doesn't suggest anything herself. And to say forget the hanging baskets, that's not nice for all those people that paid for them. So maybe she should think about people skills. Ken Helston

8:15am Sat 9 Nov 13

Eddy boy says...

Ken Helston wrote:
Eddy boy wrote:
Ken Helston wrote:
MarilynL wrote:
As someone who works in a shop in Meneage Street I am horrified by plans to close this street to traffic. With nowhere to park, people will simply drive up to Tesco or Sainsburys with their lovely free parking. Coinagehall Street is a nightmare at the best of times, with taxis, buses, stalls & double parking, there wont be room for any additional cars looking for somewhere to park. People hate paying parking charges, every day I find people blocking the entrance to my staff car park in an effort to avoid paying for a car park ticket. Forget the hanging baskets, the water features, the sculptures & other assorted nonsense, the one thing to boost trade in Helston is to abolish car park charges. Ive read comments from others regarding how the elderly & disabled would appreciate pedestrianisation, with all due respect, I expect the elderly & disabled find it much easier to negotiate the flat of Lidls, Tescos or Sainsburys than the uneven pavements and steep hills of Helston town. The very steep path to the car park is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. For good or bad, we now live in a modern world where people want to jump into their cars and go shopping, to close off a road that is full of shops is just plain madness.
People do park in the carparks I walk through the Trengrouse way one and its always busy so people must pay for them but there are always spaces where others could park. People shop in the supermarket because it is pedestrian friendly and no cars to dodge, not everyone drives, I go by bus and so do loads of others .But I prefer to amble round the town centre. When will these thick people get in their heads they cant have the carparks for free. How many times have I read on here you cant have the CC carparks because they don't belong to us in Helston. And as for slagging off peoples ideas like the statues and things, can they come up with any better ideas, other than keep saying Bla Bla bla CC car parks for free. Where have some of these people been for the last two years for goodness sake.
What's your definition of thick Ken?

I find your comments rude and thoughtless, did you have a couple of Spingos before you wrote the last one?

You upset Helstonrules when you commented saying he shouldn't drive if he is partially sited and ridiculed his spelling,I know this person and for your information he doesn't drive but he works very hard for disadvantaged people in helston and certainly doesn't deserve to be Kenned!

Your attitude and people skills are diabolical which is perhaps why you hide behind a computer to get you kicks.

Grow up
Well it was a bit daft Helstonrules saying he only comes into Helston after 4 oclock when the parking is free then. And then following his comment up by saying he is partially sighted. I am partially sighted and that's why I had to give up driving I told the DVLA. If people write lies on here then it will get misunderstood. He shouldn't have said he only parks after 4 when it is free. And yeah maybe I had a drink last night, but meerkats on here suggested the statue and I suggested the fountain, and I don't find it too polite of Marilyn to say forget all that nonsense. Especially when she doesn't suggest anything herself. And to say forget the hanging baskets, that's not nice for all those people that paid for them. So maybe she should think about people skills.
When on earth did Helstonrules tell lies? Just because he doesn't drive does not mean he doesn't use the carparks!!! I'm not a pilot but I still travel on a plane!!
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eddy boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarilynL[/bold] wrote: As someone who works in a shop in Meneage Street I am horrified by plans to close this street to traffic. With nowhere to park, people will simply drive up to Tesco or Sainsburys with their lovely free parking. Coinagehall Street is a nightmare at the best of times, with taxis, buses, stalls & double parking, there wont be room for any additional cars looking for somewhere to park. People hate paying parking charges, every day I find people blocking the entrance to my staff car park in an effort to avoid paying for a car park ticket. Forget the hanging baskets, the water features, the sculptures & other assorted nonsense, the one thing to boost trade in Helston is to abolish car park charges. Ive read comments from others regarding how the elderly & disabled would appreciate pedestrianisation, with all due respect, I expect the elderly & disabled find it much easier to negotiate the flat of Lidls, Tescos or Sainsburys than the uneven pavements and steep hills of Helston town. The very steep path to the car park is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. For good or bad, we now live in a modern world where people want to jump into their cars and go shopping, to close off a road that is full of shops is just plain madness.[/p][/quote]People do park in the carparks I walk through the Trengrouse way one and its always busy so people must pay for them but there are always spaces where others could park. People shop in the supermarket because it is pedestrian friendly and no cars to dodge, not everyone drives, I go by bus and so do loads of others .But I prefer to amble round the town centre. When will these thick people get in their heads they cant have the carparks for free. How many times have I read on here you cant have the CC carparks because they don't belong to us in Helston. And as for slagging off peoples ideas like the statues and things, can they come up with any better ideas, other than keep saying Bla Bla bla CC car parks for free. Where have some of these people been for the last two years for goodness sake.[/p][/quote]What's your definition of thick Ken? I find your comments rude and thoughtless, did you have a couple of Spingos before you wrote the last one? You upset Helstonrules when you commented saying he shouldn't drive if he is partially sited and ridiculed his spelling,I know this person and for your information he doesn't drive but he works very hard for disadvantaged people in helston and certainly doesn't deserve to be Kenned! Your attitude and people skills are diabolical which is perhaps why you hide behind a computer to get you kicks. Grow up[/p][/quote]Well it was a bit daft Helstonrules saying he only comes into Helston after 4 oclock when the parking is free then. And then following his comment up by saying he is partially sighted. I am partially sighted and that's why I had to give up driving I told the DVLA. If people write lies on here then it will get misunderstood. He shouldn't have said he only parks after 4 when it is free. And yeah maybe I had a drink last night, but meerkats on here suggested the statue and I suggested the fountain, and I don't find it too polite of Marilyn to say forget all that nonsense. Especially when she doesn't suggest anything herself. And to say forget the hanging baskets, that's not nice for all those people that paid for them. So maybe she should think about people skills.[/p][/quote]When on earth did Helstonrules tell lies? Just because he doesn't drive does not mean he doesn't use the carparks!!! I'm not a pilot but I still travel on a plane!! Eddy boy

8:47am Sat 9 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

Ok you have a point on that one, Eddy, perhaps it is because I am so used to reading Rons comments and Gills comments, Gill is a loser because she thinks everything the TC and the BIP do is good, and she went to the consultation, and Ron just talks a load of waffle half the time I think. I agree with some of the T Cllrs but not all, and I don't agree with the BIP with things like the grants or the logo.
Ok you have a point on that one, Eddy, perhaps it is because I am so used to reading Rons comments and Gills comments, Gill is a loser because she thinks everything the TC and the BIP do is good, and she went to the consultation, and Ron just talks a load of waffle half the time I think. I agree with some of the T Cllrs but not all, and I don't agree with the BIP with things like the grants or the logo. Ken Helston

9:47am Sat 9 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Ken, I appreciate you are entitled to your opinions, however, I think your comment to MarilynL was uncalled for, I believe she has just expressed an understandable reaction to the idea of a pedestrianised area, from someone who works in Meneage Street.
I favour the idea of a pedestrian concept, however, I accept that others may not. I personally am happy to pay for parking and my elderly mother prefers town shopping as opposed to supermarkets.
Whatever anyone's personal ideas are, I believe it is wrong to approach others opinions in the manner in which you appear so to do, if you choose to misguidedly in my view, to refer to me as a "loser" simply because I support both the HBIP and the Town Council in their quest to improve Helston, then that is of course your prerogative, however, I disagree.
Your reference to Ron I believe is unfair, he does make some very valid points on different subjects.
Please just try to respect others.
Ken, I appreciate you are entitled to your opinions, however, I think your comment to MarilynL was uncalled for, I believe she has just expressed an understandable reaction to the idea of a pedestrianised area, from someone who works in Meneage Street. I favour the idea of a pedestrian concept, however, I accept that others may not. I personally am happy to pay for parking and my elderly mother prefers town shopping as opposed to supermarkets. Whatever anyone's personal ideas are, I believe it is wrong to approach others opinions in the manner in which you appear so to do, if you choose to misguidedly in my view, to refer to me as a "loser" simply because I support both the HBIP and the Town Council in their quest to improve Helston, then that is of course your prerogative, however, I disagree. Your reference to Ron I believe is unfair, he does make some very valid points on different subjects. Please just try to respect others. Gillian Zella Martin 09

10:29am Sat 9 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

If I ever find out who you are Gill and meerkats , I might buy you both a drink in the Blue.
If I ever find out who you are Gill and meerkats , I might buy you both a drink in the Blue. Ken Helston

10:34am Sat 9 Nov 13

telstar1962 says...

If pedestrianization is such a bad concept ( as feared by some ) then why aren't all small businesses in other Towns who have this system, bankrupt ?

If it is set up correctly for the needs of shop-keepers and the clientele,then it is a positive step.

And since Meneage Street would be basically traffic free, then all the more reason to collaborate with the Supermarkets and have a Park and Ride system to bring people in to Town. (Drop-off and pick-up point near VW garage eg)
If pedestrianization is such a bad concept ( as feared by some ) then why aren't all small businesses in other Towns who have this system, bankrupt ? If it is set up correctly for the needs of shop-keepers and the clientele,then it is a positive step. And since Meneage Street would be basically traffic free, then all the more reason to collaborate with the Supermarkets and have a Park and Ride system to bring people in to Town. (Drop-off and pick-up point near VW garage eg) telstar1962

10:41am Sat 9 Nov 13

ronedgcumbe says...

My comment last night was rude Gill I apologise.
This will hopefully be my last comment on pedestrianisation. If it did actually happen it would be a disaster and could possibly destroy what is left of the town centre. I hope that a long drawn our discussion will not discourage possible retail investors from coming to town but I fear it might.
My comment last night was rude Gill I apologise. This will hopefully be my last comment on pedestrianisation. If it did actually happen it would be a disaster and could possibly destroy what is left of the town centre. I hope that a long drawn our discussion will not discourage possible retail investors from coming to town but I fear it might. ronedgcumbe

10:51am Sat 9 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
My comment last night was rude Gill I apologise.
This will hopefully be my last comment on pedestrianisation. If it did actually happen it would be a disaster and could possibly destroy what is left of the town centre. I hope that a long drawn our discussion will not discourage possible retail investors from coming to town but I fear it might.
No problem Ron, no apology necessary but thanks anyway.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: My comment last night was rude Gill I apologise. This will hopefully be my last comment on pedestrianisation. If it did actually happen it would be a disaster and could possibly destroy what is left of the town centre. I hope that a long drawn our discussion will not discourage possible retail investors from coming to town but I fear it might.[/p][/quote]No problem Ron, no apology necessary but thanks anyway. Gillian Zella Martin 09

5:46pm Sat 9 Nov 13

southseabubble says...

Regardless of all the comments , the reality is unless the town takes a few radical steps to drag itself out of its 1950's traffic system , or said system will continue to choke the town .
The utter madness of much of the traffic going uphill through the town with thundering engines and belching diesel fumes is literally revolting , I am all for traffic revisions to improve our pedestrian experience and reverse the flow in favour of gravity, where possible.
A part time pedestrian zone in Meneague St is a bonus. together with a further zone outside the museum Anything to stop all the fat'ys from driving everywhere all the time .Does anyone walk anymore .? IMHO.
Regardless of all the comments , the reality is unless the town takes a few radical steps to drag itself out of its 1950's traffic system , or said system will continue to choke the town . The utter madness of much of the traffic going uphill through the town with thundering engines and belching diesel fumes is literally revolting , I am all for traffic revisions to improve our pedestrian experience and reverse the flow in favour of gravity, where possible. A part time pedestrian zone in Meneague St is a bonus. together with a further zone outside the museum Anything to stop all the fat'ys from driving everywhere all the time .Does anyone walk anymore .? IMHO. southseabubble

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