Emergency flooding plan meeting for Helston

Emergency flooding plan meeting for Helston

Emergency flooding plan meeting for Helston

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Residents living in flood prone areas of Helston will be invited to a public meeting in January to work out an emergency plan.

Although the meeting – which takes place in the Guildhall from 6.30pm on Tuesday, January 28 – will be open to all, it is specifically aimed at people in regularly hit areas such as St John’s and parts of Trenethick Fields.

At the meeting a Helston Flood Plan will be developed, making sure those whose homes might be affected by flood water know where to go when the weather strikes – whatever time of the day or night.

Evacuation centres will be determined and emergency points of contact created.

Guests speaks will include Professor Stephen Harrison and Dr Jenny Moore from the University of Exeter, together with Kevin Barnes who is Environment Agency flood resilience team leader.

Town councillor Ronnie Williams has been a key figure in putting together the flood plan and has attended a number of meetings over flood relief.

He was thanked by mayor Jonathan Radford-Gaby at the council’s last meeting for all the work he had done on the council’s behalf.

Mr Radford-Gaby urged everybody to attend the meeting in January, saying: “It will be packed with information and is particularly relevant to residents of St John’s.”

Councillors agreed that Mr Williams should be given the authority to continue conversations with the Environment Agency on their behalf.

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10:17am Wed 27 Nov 13

BevHelston says...

At least this is a start. But as someone who owns a property in St Johns which is rented out I would like to hear that something is actually being done to prevent flooding in the first place especially as the area has already been close to a flood warning once this winter
At least this is a start. But as someone who owns a property in St Johns which is rented out I would like to hear that something is actually being done to prevent flooding in the first place especially as the area has already been close to a flood warning once this winter BevHelston
  • Score: -4

11:52am Wed 27 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

If someone buys a place near a river surely it is their responsibility to sort out flood protection. Why should the council pay for everything. If someone can rent out a property why don't they use some of the rent money they make.
If someone buys a place near a river surely it is their responsibility to sort out flood protection. Why should the council pay for everything. If someone can rent out a property why don't they use some of the rent money they make. Ken Helston
  • Score: 7

12:40pm Wed 27 Nov 13

BevHelston says...

I'm not saying its the Council who should be doing something, its the Environment Agency who are more than aware of the problem in the area and after last year's floods said that there would be a consultation and then something may be done but this may take 2 years or more. Its not just the homes, its businesses, churches, the park ....
I'm not saying its the Council who should be doing something, its the Environment Agency who are more than aware of the problem in the area and after last year's floods said that there would be a consultation and then something may be done but this may take 2 years or more. Its not just the homes, its businesses, churches, the park .... BevHelston
  • Score: -5

12:41pm Wed 27 Nov 13

Matt Tonkins says...

I think some measures can be implemented by the council to minimise the risk, which I believe they already are doing by the distribution of sand bags for free (please let me know if I am wrong). Just remember, stopping a river flooding onto its natural flood plane is not an easy at all, hence why most people opt not to live on one if they can help it. Has there been any study that shows the complete hydrological aspects of the Cober during high rainfall events?
It will be interesting to see what Professor Harrison has to say, he is a reader of modern day geographical processes and the best person to advise on the hydrological aspects of the Cober system. I look forward to seeing the action plan put in place and his recommendations.
I think some measures can be implemented by the council to minimise the risk, which I believe they already are doing by the distribution of sand bags for free (please let me know if I am wrong). Just remember, stopping a river flooding onto its natural flood plane is not an easy at all, hence why most people opt not to live on one if they can help it. Has there been any study that shows the complete hydrological aspects of the Cober during high rainfall events? It will be interesting to see what Professor Harrison has to say, he is a reader of modern day geographical processes and the best person to advise on the hydrological aspects of the Cober system. I look forward to seeing the action plan put in place and his recommendations. Matt Tonkins
  • Score: -5

1:19pm Wed 27 Nov 13

Matt Tonkins says...

BevHelston wrote:
I'm not saying its the Council who should be doing something, its the Environment Agency who are more than aware of the problem in the area and after last year's floods said that there would be a consultation and then something may be done but this may take 2 years or more. Its not just the homes, its businesses, churches, the park ....
Not to mention the effect on the transportation links, which therefore affects more than just the local residence.
[quote][p][bold]BevHelston[/bold] wrote: I'm not saying its the Council who should be doing something, its the Environment Agency who are more than aware of the problem in the area and after last year's floods said that there would be a consultation and then something may be done but this may take 2 years or more. Its not just the homes, its businesses, churches, the park ....[/p][/quote]Not to mention the effect on the transportation links, which therefore affects more than just the local residence. Matt Tonkins
  • Score: -4

2:04pm Wed 27 Nov 13

telstar1962 says...

St John's is in an historic 'area subject to flooding'

The problem is as old as the hills.

I must say,though, it's good to see someone commenting on here who lives local to the story,and who has a genuine connection to the problems.
St John's is in an historic 'area subject to flooding' The problem is as old as the hills. I must say,though, it's good to see someone commenting on here who lives local to the story,and who has a genuine connection to the problems. telstar1962
  • Score: 5

3:01pm Wed 27 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

Yes but do they live local to the flood risk area? or are they typical of many second home owners and don't even live in the county, they rent the property out, so its the poor tenant that lives in the flood risk area, i'm wondering do letting agencies make potential clients aware of flood risk when they show an interest in renting a property, or is it a case of rogue landlords? shouldn't they get a rent rebate?
Yes but do they live local to the flood risk area? or are they typical of many second home owners and don't even live in the county, they rent the property out, so its the poor tenant that lives in the flood risk area, i'm wondering do letting agencies make potential clients aware of flood risk when they show an interest in renting a property, or is it a case of rogue landlords? shouldn't they get a rent rebate? Ken Helston
  • Score: -3

3:09pm Wed 27 Nov 13

BevHelston says...

Last December we went down to St Johns and 'borrowed' a couple of the bags which were being delivered by the council for their tenants only and not for privately owned properties but even they came far too late when the properties had already flooded - despite the severe flood warning which was active on the previous day. We got some sand and made up bags ourselves and took them down long before the official ones arrived. As far as we are aware the council has no intention of providing bags as a preventative measure, rather waiting to see if flooding happens before taking action. In any event the water was actually coming in through the walls so bags at the doors were of little help.
Last December we went down to St Johns and 'borrowed' a couple of the bags which were being delivered by the council for their tenants only and not for privately owned properties but even they came far too late when the properties had already flooded - despite the severe flood warning which was active on the previous day. We got some sand and made up bags ourselves and took them down long before the official ones arrived. As far as we are aware the council has no intention of providing bags as a preventative measure, rather waiting to see if flooding happens before taking action. In any event the water was actually coming in through the walls so bags at the doors were of little help. BevHelston
  • Score: -7

3:24pm Wed 27 Nov 13

BevHelston says...

Ken Helston wrote:
Yes but do they live local to the flood risk area? or are they typical of many second home owners and don't even live in the county, they rent the property out, so its the poor tenant that lives in the flood risk area, i'm wondering do letting agencies make potential clients aware of flood risk when they show an interest in renting a property, or is it a case of rogue landlords? shouldn't they get a rent rebate?
Yes I do live in Helston and yes the tenants were aware that it was a flood risk area as they were also living locally and in fact approached me when I was mopping up after the December floods and asked they could rent the property when and if it became vacant. Also please note they are happy with the rent they pay, I do not use the services of a letting agency and object to the implication that I am a rogue landlord.
[quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: Yes but do they live local to the flood risk area? or are they typical of many second home owners and don't even live in the county, they rent the property out, so its the poor tenant that lives in the flood risk area, i'm wondering do letting agencies make potential clients aware of flood risk when they show an interest in renting a property, or is it a case of rogue landlords? shouldn't they get a rent rebate?[/p][/quote]Yes I do live in Helston and yes the tenants were aware that it was a flood risk area as they were also living locally and in fact approached me when I was mopping up after the December floods and asked they could rent the property when and if it became vacant. Also please note they are happy with the rent they pay, I do not use the services of a letting agency and object to the implication that I am a rogue landlord. BevHelston
  • Score: -2

3:54pm Wed 27 Nov 13

Matt Tonkins says...

BevHelston wrote:
Last December we went down to St Johns and 'borrowed' a couple of the bags which were being delivered by the council for their tenants only and not for privately owned properties but even they came far too late when the properties had already flooded - despite the severe flood warning which was active on the previous day. We got some sand and made up bags ourselves and took them down long before the official ones arrived. As far as we are aware the council has no intention of providing bags as a preventative measure, rather waiting to see if flooding happens before taking action. In any event the water was actually coming in through the walls so bags at the doors were of little help.
Then you need to take action and get some bags for yourself if the council is that slow. It also an idea to get enough to cover a lot of the external walls, if practical, to create a bund to allow the water to flow past (assuming it does of course). I was mainly making reference before to some story I read a while ago about the HTC getting sand bags when the next time the cober floods.
[quote][p][bold]BevHelston[/bold] wrote: Last December we went down to St Johns and 'borrowed' a couple of the bags which were being delivered by the council for their tenants only and not for privately owned properties but even they came far too late when the properties had already flooded - despite the severe flood warning which was active on the previous day. We got some sand and made up bags ourselves and took them down long before the official ones arrived. As far as we are aware the council has no intention of providing bags as a preventative measure, rather waiting to see if flooding happens before taking action. In any event the water was actually coming in through the walls so bags at the doors were of little help.[/p][/quote]Then you need to take action and get some bags for yourself if the council is that slow. It also an idea to get enough to cover a lot of the external walls, if practical, to create a bund to allow the water to flow past (assuming it does of course). I was mainly making reference before to some story I read a while ago about the HTC getting sand bags when the next time the cober floods. Matt Tonkins
  • Score: -11

4:09pm Wed 27 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

You people make me laugh, "borrowed" some sand bags, do you mean stole them from council and their tenants? surprise surprise the council pay for things out of the tenants rent, they are entitled to them why should they pay for your sand bags, pay for them out of your own rent income, and the council aren't slow you are slow buying your own things. Money grabbing landlords that take the rent then take things meant for council tenants.
You people make me laugh, "borrowed" some sand bags, do you mean stole them from council and their tenants? surprise surprise the council pay for things out of the tenants rent, they are entitled to them why should they pay for your sand bags, pay for them out of your own rent income, and the council aren't slow you are slow buying your own things. Money grabbing landlords that take the rent then take things meant for council tenants. Ken Helston
  • Score: 0

4:48pm Wed 27 Nov 13

telstar1962 says...

Typical Kev Helston commenting when not knowing all the relevant facts. Shame.
Typical Kev Helston commenting when not knowing all the relevant facts. Shame. telstar1962
  • Score: 2

4:50pm Wed 27 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

BevHelston wrote:
Ken Helston wrote:
Yes but do they live local to the flood risk area? or are they typical of many second home owners and don't even live in the county, they rent the property out, so its the poor tenant that lives in the flood risk area, i'm wondering do letting agencies make potential clients aware of flood risk when they show an interest in renting a property, or is it a case of rogue landlords? shouldn't they get a rent rebate?
Yes I do live in Helston and yes the tenants were aware that it was a flood risk area as they were also living locally and in fact approached me when I was mopping up after the December floods and asked they could rent the property when and if it became vacant. Also please note they are happy with the rent they pay, I do not use the services of a letting agency and object to the implication that I am a rogue landlord.
If you can afford two homes you can afford your own sandbags.
[quote][p][bold]BevHelston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ken Helston[/bold] wrote: Yes but do they live local to the flood risk area? or are they typical of many second home owners and don't even live in the county, they rent the property out, so its the poor tenant that lives in the flood risk area, i'm wondering do letting agencies make potential clients aware of flood risk when they show an interest in renting a property, or is it a case of rogue landlords? shouldn't they get a rent rebate?[/p][/quote]Yes I do live in Helston and yes the tenants were aware that it was a flood risk area as they were also living locally and in fact approached me when I was mopping up after the December floods and asked they could rent the property when and if it became vacant. Also please note they are happy with the rent they pay, I do not use the services of a letting agency and object to the implication that I am a rogue landlord.[/p][/quote]If you can afford two homes you can afford your own sandbags. Ken Helston
  • Score: 1

4:58pm Wed 27 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Typical Kev Helston commenting when not knowing all the relevant facts. Shame.
Who is Kev, cross between BEV and KEN? looks like its you that doesn't know what you're talking about. I know enough, by her own admission she "borrowed" sandbags, that says it all to me.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Typical Kev Helston commenting when not knowing all the relevant facts. Shame.[/p][/quote]Who is Kev, cross between BEV and KEN? looks like its you that doesn't know what you're talking about. I know enough, by her own admission she "borrowed" sandbags, that says it all to me. Ken Helston
  • Score: 1

9:48am Thu 28 Nov 13

BevHelston says...

You don't know all the facts relating as to how I have a house which I rent out so should not make comments on that aspect, the sandbags were passed to me by council employees who were delivering to the council properties as they sympathised with the situation and as I pay my council tax but didn't need any bags myself I don't feel unjust in having two in an emergency. Added to which there are only 2 gullies in the whole of the road which was flooded and this is clearly insufficient. Let's leave it at that shall we?
You don't know all the facts relating as to how I have a house which I rent out so should not make comments on that aspect, the sandbags were passed to me by council employees who were delivering to the council properties as they sympathised with the situation and as I pay my council tax but didn't need any bags myself I don't feel unjust in having two in an emergency. Added to which there are only 2 gullies in the whole of the road which was flooded and this is clearly insufficient. Let's leave it at that shall we? BevHelston
  • Score: 0

10:14am Thu 28 Nov 13

telstar1962 says...

Oh, even I can make a simple spelling mistake. But, that's of no real consequence,Kev.

Why criticize the lady for having 2 houses.

(Tony Blair,at the last count has about 10 houses, and still the rate-payers of this country have a huge bill for his own personal security,when he could afford to pay for that himself)
Oh, even I can make a simple spelling mistake. But, that's of no real consequence,Kev. Why criticize the lady for having 2 houses. (Tony Blair,at the last count has about 10 houses, and still the rate-payers of this country have a huge bill for his own personal security,when he could afford to pay for that himself) telstar1962
  • Score: 2

11:52am Thu 28 Nov 13

Ken Helston says...

BevHelston wrote:
You don't know all the facts relating as to how I have a house which I rent out so should not make comments on that aspect, the sandbags were passed to me by council employees who were delivering to the council properties as they sympathised with the situation and as I pay my council tax but didn't need any bags myself I don't feel unjust in having two in an emergency. Added to which there are only 2 gullies in the whole of the road which was flooded and this is clearly insufficient. Let's leave it at that shall we?
So whatever circumstances you got your houses by there was nothing stopping you selling one to someone that hasn't got a home, it says in the town plan that lots of people say there is not enough open market property for sale in Helston. Ok you choose to keep it and rent it out, but then like I said you could afford your own sandbags, you know the house is in a flood risk area so why didn't you already buy some. Everyone seems to expect the council to pay for everything and that sticks all our council tax up for people like me that buy my own things and don't own two houses with a rent income. If you don't think the road has enough gullies then sell the house and don't have a house there, don't expect the council to put more gullies in. No amount of gullies is going to cope with the river overflow.

As for telstar1962, Tony Blair is a completely different issue. That's like saying because London gets a Thames barrier against flood water, we should get one for the Cober. I am fed up with people wanting things from the council that cost us all money in the long run on our council tax. Whatever happened to a bit of self responsibility.
[quote][p][bold]BevHelston[/bold] wrote: You don't know all the facts relating as to how I have a house which I rent out so should not make comments on that aspect, the sandbags were passed to me by council employees who were delivering to the council properties as they sympathised with the situation and as I pay my council tax but didn't need any bags myself I don't feel unjust in having two in an emergency. Added to which there are only 2 gullies in the whole of the road which was flooded and this is clearly insufficient. Let's leave it at that shall we?[/p][/quote]So whatever circumstances you got your houses by there was nothing stopping you selling one to someone that hasn't got a home, it says in the town plan that lots of people say there is not enough open market property for sale in Helston. Ok you choose to keep it and rent it out, but then like I said you could afford your own sandbags, you know the house is in a flood risk area so why didn't you already buy some. Everyone seems to expect the council to pay for everything and that sticks all our council tax up for people like me that buy my own things and don't own two houses with a rent income. If you don't think the road has enough gullies then sell the house and don't have a house there, don't expect the council to put more gullies in. No amount of gullies is going to cope with the river overflow. As for telstar1962, Tony Blair is a completely different issue. That's like saying because London gets a Thames barrier against flood water, we should get one for the Cober. I am fed up with people wanting things from the council that cost us all money in the long run on our council tax. Whatever happened to a bit of self responsibility. Ken Helston
  • Score: 2

12:18pm Thu 28 Nov 13

BevHelston says...

My very last comments - The rental property was on the open market for some time before I purchased it so apparently nobody else wanted it. So I did buy it and rent it out to someone who can't get or indeed afford a mortgage. My other property which I live in is up for sale and has been since June. I pay my council tax just like you do as well as income tax on the rents received and for that matter road fund tax.
My very last comments - The rental property was on the open market for some time before I purchased it so apparently nobody else wanted it. So I did buy it and rent it out to someone who can't get or indeed afford a mortgage. My other property which I live in is up for sale and has been since June. I pay my council tax just like you do as well as income tax on the rents received and for that matter road fund tax. BevHelston
  • Score: -2

2:13pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Personally, I do not believe it is right of Ken to question the personal business or circumstances of anyone, and in any situation but particularly emergency situations such as flooding, I believe it is nice to help anyone in any possible way, without judging them for any reason and without expecting
recompense.
Personally, I do not believe it is right of Ken to question the personal business or circumstances of anyone, and in any situation but particularly emergency situations such as flooding, I believe it is nice to help anyone in any possible way, without judging them for any reason and without expecting recompense. Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: 4

3:00pm Thu 28 Nov 13

meerkats says...

BevHelston wrote:
My very last comments - The rental property was on the open market for some time before I purchased it so apparently nobody else wanted it. So I did buy it and rent it out to someone who can't get or indeed afford a mortgage. My other property which I live in is up for sale and has been since June. I pay my council tax just like you do as well as income tax on the rents received and for that matter road fund tax.
BevHelston. ypu shpuld not have to explain your situation to Ken or anyone else for that matter
[quote][p][bold]BevHelston[/bold] wrote: My very last comments - The rental property was on the open market for some time before I purchased it so apparently nobody else wanted it. So I did buy it and rent it out to someone who can't get or indeed afford a mortgage. My other property which I live in is up for sale and has been since June. I pay my council tax just like you do as well as income tax on the rents received and for that matter road fund tax.[/p][/quote]BevHelston. ypu shpuld not have to explain your situation to Ken or anyone else for that matter meerkats
  • Score: 2

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