New chippy gets green light against the wishes of Helston town council

Falmouth Packet: Jonathan Jane and his wife Samke aim to open at the Old Turnpike Dairy site by March Jonathan Jane and his wife Samke aim to open at the Old Turnpike Dairy site by March

Helston is to get its fourth fish and chip shop after plans were approved for the outskirts of town.

Cornwall Council went against the opinion of the town council and agreed to allow Jonathan Jane and his wife Samke to turn the Old Turnpike Dairy – most recently the base for Cornish Cottage Holidays – into a takeaway and restaurant.

Mr Jane, who grew up in Ruan Minor and at one time worked at Nettles Fish and Chips in the town, said: “We’re overjoyed. It always made sense. Helston is growing and we’re supplying a service to this end of town. We really hope to cater to a different market.”

He hopes to open by the end of March.

The plans have prompted a mixed reaction, with the Janes withdrawing their first application from August in order to make changes to the car parking.

It was resubmitted in October, to include eight spaces at the back of the businesses, and attracted 11 letters of objection and five letters of support.

Concerns included the effect to neighbours in relation to smell, noise, litter and the attraction of rats, together with a potential increase in traffic and safety issues.

Some also raised concerns that the parking places at the front of the shop were currently used by householders living adjacently.

Helston Town Council recommended refusal over members’ belief that the development would “exacerbate highways issues” in terms of “potential inconsiderate parking” and vehicles exiting the site in close proximity to a roundabout, as well as “impinge on the residential amenity” of neighbouring residents.

Supporters, however, believed support should be given to small new businesses a time of recession, with one person saying they would “rather see a property used than empty and in disarray.”

Another pointed out that the business previously operated as a shop before the days of the Helston relief road, when the traffic was actually busier in the area.

In his report Cornwall Council case officer Matthew Doble wrote: “It is not uncommon for fish and chip shops or restaurants to be found in residential areas and this occurs in a number of Cornish towns.

“It is not the role of the planning system to control competition between respective enterprises. There is no evidence that the proposed use would generate conflict with, or undermine the vitality of the town centre.”

The council’s highways department raised no objections, believing the addition of the parking area would reduce the likelihood of inconsiderate parking.

It added in its report that the access for the new parking was farther from the roundabout than the existing, “well used” parking area to the front, and there was “no evidence of any safety issue.”

Planning conditions state that the business can only open between 11am and 10pm Monday to Sunday, but Mr Jane said he did not plan to open Sundays.

Other conditions include parking being in place and adequate schemes to protect neighbours from noise and smells signed off before it can launch.

Mr Jane stressed that the extraction system he was using was more effective that those normally in place and would remove “95 per cent” of the potential smells before they were released into the air.

The couple plan to live next door to the business.

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8:59am Fri 3 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I have a neutral opinion on this, I think it is one of those things that one will not really know if it is successful or causes traffic problems etc, until after it is up and running. However, what I do think is wrong, Cornwall Council off loading facilities such as toilets etc to town councils, and pushing more responsibilities on to them, and yet when it comes to local planning issues the town councils opinions often appear to be ignored, I strongly believe it is about time local town and parish councils had a stronger voice over planning issues in their own areas, local Councillors obviously have greater knowledge of their respective areas than some Cornwall Councillors that just happen to be sitting on the sub divisions of the Cornwall Council planning committee.
I have a neutral opinion on this, I think it is one of those things that one will not really know if it is successful or causes traffic problems etc, until after it is up and running. However, what I do think is wrong, Cornwall Council off loading facilities such as toilets etc to town councils, and pushing more responsibilities on to them, and yet when it comes to local planning issues the town councils opinions often appear to be ignored, I strongly believe it is about time local town and parish councils had a stronger voice over planning issues in their own areas, local Councillors obviously have greater knowledge of their respective areas than some Cornwall Councillors that just happen to be sitting on the sub divisions of the Cornwall Council planning committee. Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: 15

2:44pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Now come along the person who thumbed down GRZMs comment let us all into your secret opinion then, or you perhaps a little afraid of having your comment pointed, all these people viewing on the sidelines afraid to comment i know ron e was in favour of it and i agree, why not have a chip shop there, why keep building houses and nothing else and i thought the town council was all for promoting businesses in Helston, or does that only apply if the business is nowhere near where any town or Cornwall Cllrs live?
Now come along the person who thumbed down GRZMs comment let us all into your secret opinion then, or you perhaps a little afraid of having your comment pointed, all these people viewing on the sidelines afraid to comment i know ron e was in favour of it and i agree, why not have a chip shop there, why keep building houses and nothing else and i thought the town council was all for promoting businesses in Helston, or does that only apply if the business is nowhere near where any town or Cornwall Cllrs live? Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 2

4:21pm Fri 3 Jan 14

meerkats says...

I hope they do well ,and up that end of the town they shouldnt take much business away from the existing fish and chip shops. Well done to CC for letting a new business in.
I hope they do well ,and up that end of the town they shouldnt take much business away from the existing fish and chip shops. Well done to CC for letting a new business in. meerkats
  • Score: -5

5:10pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Gill if you couldn't have a neutral opinion and had to say agree or disagree what would you say?
Gill if you couldn't have a neutral opinion and had to say agree or disagree what would you say? Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 3

5:38pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
Gill if you couldn't have a neutral opinion and had to say agree or disagree what would you say?
Hardly a fair question, it really does not affect me personally one way or the other. Since you ask, I would base my decision on local opinion and democratically there were more letters of objection than that of support, therefore I would say I disagree with it. I believe the town council did the right thing in representing their constituents in the majority opinion of objections, and recommending its refusal, because had they not, they could possibly be accused of not listening to majority public opinion. I do not think Town Councillors have an easy job decision making.
However, as Cornwall Council have over ridden their decision then only time will tell if any of the perceived associated problems will transpire.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: Gill if you couldn't have a neutral opinion and had to say agree or disagree what would you say?[/p][/quote]Hardly a fair question, it really does not affect me personally one way or the other. Since you ask, I would base my decision on local opinion and democratically there were more letters of objection than that of support, therefore I would say I disagree with it. I believe the town council did the right thing in representing their constituents in the majority opinion of objections, and recommending its refusal, because had they not, they could possibly be accused of not listening to majority public opinion. I do not think Town Councillors have an easy job decision making. However, as Cornwall Council have over ridden their decision then only time will tell if any of the perceived associated problems will transpire. Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: 10

6:02pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Cyber Pasty says...

Seems good to me I don't live there but may create jobs for some young people and the owners paying their way.
Seems good to me I don't live there but may create jobs for some young people and the owners paying their way. Cyber Pasty
  • Score: 0

9:48am Sat 4 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Dont think id want to live near a chippy though because of the smell, perhaps it isnt such a good as an idea as i thought it was, if you chose to live near ok, but to have one suddenly pop up near is probably a bit much in a residential area, when i think about, how many people will use a parking area and not try to park.right outside causing congestion and noise, look at it down the town, people park on the double yellow lines. There is already cafes in Tesco and Sainsburys up that end of the town. Does everyone need everything on their doorstep, cant they go.into town for a chip shop. What about the rubbish issue, will they be out clearing away the rubbish like outside Spar with the subway wrappers. All right saying inventing jobs but if they lay off staff down the town if they lose trade how does that help.
Dont think id want to live near a chippy though because of the smell, perhaps it isnt such a good as an idea as i thought it was, if you chose to live near ok, but to have one suddenly pop up near is probably a bit much in a residential area, when i think about, how many people will use a parking area and not try to park.right outside causing congestion and noise, look at it down the town, people park on the double yellow lines. There is already cafes in Tesco and Sainsburys up that end of the town. Does everyone need everything on their doorstep, cant they go.into town for a chip shop. What about the rubbish issue, will they be out clearing away the rubbish like outside Spar with the subway wrappers. All right saying inventing jobs but if they lay off staff down the town if they lose trade how does that help. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 9

12:41pm Sat 4 Jan 14

KernBear says...

Interesting story. I assume, it was only the local residence that submitted letters of objection? While I can’t really see there being a massive rubbish issue, I can foresee the main issues being traffic. I can see this chippy being one that people drive too. I mean how many people live within society’s current definition of walking distance that want Fish and Chips every night!! Not many... Which means they will drive? Big problem for the limited parking and tricky entry/exit conditions.
Interesting story. I assume, it was only the local residence that submitted letters of objection? While I can’t really see there being a massive rubbish issue, I can foresee the main issues being traffic. I can see this chippy being one that people drive too. I mean how many people live within society’s current definition of walking distance that want Fish and Chips every night!! Not many... Which means they will drive? Big problem for the limited parking and tricky entry/exit conditions. KernBear
  • Score: 5

1:07pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

KernBear wrote:
Interesting story. I assume, it was only the local residence that submitted letters of objection? While I can’t really see there being a massive rubbish issue, I can foresee the main issues being traffic. I can see this chippy being one that people drive too. I mean how many people live within society’s current definition of walking distance that want Fish and Chips every night!! Not many... Which means they will drive? Big problem for the limited parking and tricky entry/exit conditions.
I agree with you, I think more people would drive to it than walk to it. I found it a problem entering and exiting the lay-by there when it was a holiday cottage lettings place and I dropped in to pick up a brochure for friends.
If tourists are passing by the chip shop in a car, where will the notices be situated telling drivers where to park? I would have thought immediate reaction on seeing the shop when driving on a main road would be to pull into the road right outside the shop. Or will there be a great big illuminated sign directing motorists to the parking area?
[quote][p][bold]KernBear[/bold] wrote: Interesting story. I assume, it was only the local residence that submitted letters of objection? While I can’t really see there being a massive rubbish issue, I can foresee the main issues being traffic. I can see this chippy being one that people drive too. I mean how many people live within society’s current definition of walking distance that want Fish and Chips every night!! Not many... Which means they will drive? Big problem for the limited parking and tricky entry/exit conditions.[/p][/quote]I agree with you, I think more people would drive to it than walk to it. I found it a problem entering and exiting the lay-by there when it was a holiday cottage lettings place and I dropped in to pick up a brochure for friends. If tourists are passing by the chip shop in a car, where will the notices be situated telling drivers where to park? I would have thought immediate reaction on seeing the shop when driving on a main road would be to pull into the road right outside the shop. Or will there be a great big illuminated sign directing motorists to the parking area? Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: 13

6:14am Sun 5 Jan 14

KernBear says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
KernBear wrote:
Interesting story. I assume, it was only the local residence that submitted letters of objection? While I can’t really see there being a massive rubbish issue, I can foresee the main issues being traffic. I can see this chippy being one that people drive too. I mean how many people live within society’s current definition of walking distance that want Fish and Chips every night!! Not many... Which means they will drive? Big problem for the limited parking and tricky entry/exit conditions.
I agree with you, I think more people would drive to it than walk to it. I found it a problem entering and exiting the lay-by there when it was a holiday cottage lettings place and I dropped in to pick up a brochure for friends.
If tourists are passing by the chip shop in a car, where will the notices be situated telling drivers where to park? I would have thought immediate reaction on seeing the shop when driving on a main road would be to pull into the road right outside the shop. Or will there be a great big illuminated sign directing motorists to the parking area?
Very good point. I can see some issues with local residence over parking!.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KernBear[/bold] wrote: Interesting story. I assume, it was only the local residence that submitted letters of objection? While I can’t really see there being a massive rubbish issue, I can foresee the main issues being traffic. I can see this chippy being one that people drive too. I mean how many people live within society’s current definition of walking distance that want Fish and Chips every night!! Not many... Which means they will drive? Big problem for the limited parking and tricky entry/exit conditions.[/p][/quote]I agree with you, I think more people would drive to it than walk to it. I found it a problem entering and exiting the lay-by there when it was a holiday cottage lettings place and I dropped in to pick up a brochure for friends. If tourists are passing by the chip shop in a car, where will the notices be situated telling drivers where to park? I would have thought immediate reaction on seeing the shop when driving on a main road would be to pull into the road right outside the shop. Or will there be a great big illuminated sign directing motorists to the parking area?[/p][/quote]Very good point. I can see some issues with local residence over parking!. KernBear
  • Score: 10

6:40am Sun 5 Jan 14

KernBear says...

Mind you, when It is open, I will be going there for some tasty fish and chips... it will be rude not to. :)
Mind you, when It is open, I will be going there for some tasty fish and chips... it will be rude not to. :) KernBear
  • Score: 7

11:45am Sun 5 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Well done cornwall council for encouraging investment and employment to Helston a good job they have the good sence to ignore the town council and bring a much needed service to this end of town.
Well done cornwall council for encouraging investment and employment to Helston a good job they have the good sence to ignore the town council and bring a much needed service to this end of town. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -9

1:35pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Cyber Pasty says...

Get used to most of these people poo pooing any type of new business ronedgcumbe with you're 7 thumbs down. Seems a empty Cornwall of o business is preferred.
Get used to most of these people poo pooing any type of new business ronedgcumbe with you're 7 thumbs down. Seems a empty Cornwall of o business is preferred. Cyber Pasty
  • Score: -15

2:07pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

I think your generalisation is out of order Cyber Pasty, you cant say most of these people would be against any business in Cornwall, i think that is rubbish. You said you dont live here so presumably you mean in Helston, Helston has four chip shops and other takeaway shops and is only a small town, or are you perhaps a disgruntled person about the hilltop pasty drivethrough. If you want businesses so much perhaps you would like to open one on the empty Helston business park which is what it is for.
I think your generalisation is out of order Cyber Pasty, you cant say most of these people would be against any business in Cornwall, i think that is rubbish. You said you dont live here so presumably you mean in Helston, Helston has four chip shops and other takeaway shops and is only a small town, or are you perhaps a disgruntled person about the hilltop pasty drivethrough. If you want businesses so much perhaps you would like to open one on the empty Helston business park which is what it is for. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 8

2:13pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Cyber Pasty says...

After viewing comments over most business proposals they are always negative right from the start. I am not it disgruntled about a hilltop drive through pasty thing so you presumption is also not wanted rainbow. Most chip shops are I'm residential areas I can not think of any in a business park to be honest. But you are right I don't live in Helston.
After viewing comments over most business proposals they are always negative right from the start. I am not it disgruntled about a hilltop drive through pasty thing so you presumption is also not wanted rainbow. Most chip shops are I'm residential areas I can not think of any in a business park to be honest. But you are right I don't live in Helston. Cyber Pasty
  • Score: -10

2:25pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Most business proposal comments are not negative from the start at all, they are discussed in different ways like the Penryn ones ive noticed in the past and if people raise problems it dosnt mean particulary they are against businesses in Cornwall it just means they might want issues solved first, as it is local residents that have to suffer any possible mistakes in decisions. Look at the wrong 'business' decisions that have been made in the past. Helston town council didn't object to this for no reason.
Most business proposal comments are not negative from the start at all, they are discussed in different ways like the Penryn ones ive noticed in the past and if people raise problems it dosnt mean particulary they are against businesses in Cornwall it just means they might want issues solved first, as it is local residents that have to suffer any possible mistakes in decisions. Look at the wrong 'business' decisions that have been made in the past. Helston town council didn't object to this for no reason. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 12

2:30pm Sun 5 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
I think your generalisation is out of order Cyber Pasty, you cant say most of these people would be against any business in Cornwall, i think that is rubbish. You said you dont live here so presumably you mean in Helston, Helston has four chip shops and other takeaway shops and is only a small town, or are you perhaps a disgruntled person about the hilltop pasty drivethrough. If you want businesses so much perhaps you would like to open one on the empty Helston business park which is what it is for.
Every time I drive past the derelict site at hilltop I think of the opportunities and jobs lost. A shame that the last council chose to meddle with it
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: I think your generalisation is out of order Cyber Pasty, you cant say most of these people would be against any business in Cornwall, i think that is rubbish. You said you dont live here so presumably you mean in Helston, Helston has four chip shops and other takeaway shops and is only a small town, or are you perhaps a disgruntled person about the hilltop pasty drivethrough. If you want businesses so much perhaps you would like to open one on the empty Helston business park which is what it is for.[/p][/quote]Every time I drive past the derelict site at hilltop I think of the opportunities and jobs lost. A shame that the last council chose to meddle with it ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -9

2:36pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Cyber Pasty says...

At the end of the day it depends how big the 'brown envelopes' are whether a business goes ahead.
At the end of the day it depends how big the 'brown envelopes' are whether a business goes ahead. Cyber Pasty
  • Score: -4

3:02pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Cyber Pasty wrote:
At the end of the day it depends how big the 'brown envelopes' are whether a business goes ahead.
I disagree, the first application for the chip shop was withdrawn and amended, then re submitted before it found favour with the Cornwall Council planning committee. Cornwall Councils West sub area planning committee has fifteen members and thirteen substitute members, all of whom I believe to be honest and fair.

This is a local couple opening a small chip shop, not a multi national business.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber Pasty[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day it depends how big the 'brown envelopes' are whether a business goes ahead.[/p][/quote]I disagree, the first application for the chip shop was withdrawn and amended, then re submitted before it found favour with the Cornwall Council planning committee. Cornwall Councils West sub area planning committee has fifteen members and thirteen substitute members, all of whom I believe to be honest and fair. This is a local couple opening a small chip shop, not a multi national business. Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: 8

3:40pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Cyber Pasty says...

Of course but money talks and a few Masonic handshakes change everything for any type of business .
Of course but money talks and a few Masonic handshakes change everything for any type of business . Cyber Pasty
  • Score: -3

1:04pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Helston Observer says...

Well, I do live in Helston, not I am glad to say anywhere near the site of this proposed shop. The original objection was on highway grounds, and no one will use the car park, everyone will arrive by car and abandon their cars wherever they can if they have to walk more than 5 paces from the 8 space car park that is now being created. The entrance and exit is literally right on a roundabout, and even though there is no business operating from there now, the parking in front is chokka all day and night. It will seriously disadvantage the people who live immediately beside the shop. I think the town council were right to object, and to the idea of the pasty drive in shop at Hilltop, which would have taken trade away from the town.
Well, I do live in Helston, not I am glad to say anywhere near the site of this proposed shop. The original objection was on highway grounds, and no one will use the car park, everyone will arrive by car and abandon their cars wherever they can if they have to walk more than 5 paces from the 8 space car park that is now being created. The entrance and exit is literally right on a roundabout, and even though there is no business operating from there now, the parking in front is chokka all day and night. It will seriously disadvantage the people who live immediately beside the shop. I think the town council were right to object, and to the idea of the pasty drive in shop at Hilltop, which would have taken trade away from the town. Helston Observer
  • Score: 13

2:02pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Blimey Gill, a miracle has happened there is someone else that thinks like you.
Blimey Gill, a miracle has happened there is someone else that thinks like you. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 7

2:13pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Helston Observer wrote:
Well, I do live in Helston, not I am glad to say anywhere near the site of this proposed shop. The original objection was on highway grounds, and no one will use the car park, everyone will arrive by car and abandon their cars wherever they can if they have to walk more than 5 paces from the 8 space car park that is now being created. The entrance and exit is literally right on a roundabout, and even though there is no business operating from there now, the parking in front is chokka all day and night. It will seriously disadvantage the people who live immediately beside the shop. I think the town council were right to object, and to the idea of the pasty drive in shop at Hilltop, which would have taken trade away from the town.
No disrespect intended to your comment, but I think it was going to be a 'drive through' with shop, if it had been a "pasty drive in shop" it might have raised a congestion issue!

Completely agree it would have taken trade away from the town, and the town council were right to object.
[quote][p][bold]Helston Observer[/bold] wrote: Well, I do live in Helston, not I am glad to say anywhere near the site of this proposed shop. The original objection was on highway grounds, and no one will use the car park, everyone will arrive by car and abandon their cars wherever they can if they have to walk more than 5 paces from the 8 space car park that is now being created. The entrance and exit is literally right on a roundabout, and even though there is no business operating from there now, the parking in front is chokka all day and night. It will seriously disadvantage the people who live immediately beside the shop. I think the town council were right to object, and to the idea of the pasty drive in shop at Hilltop, which would have taken trade away from the town.[/p][/quote]No disrespect intended to your comment, but I think it was going to be a 'drive through' with shop, if it had been a "pasty drive in shop" it might have raised a congestion issue! Completely agree it would have taken trade away from the town, and the town council were right to object. Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: 11

2:17pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
Blimey Gill, a miracle has happened there is someone else that thinks like you.
I do not think anyone else thinks quite like I do! Generally I find it more relaxing not to think at all!
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: Blimey Gill, a miracle has happened there is someone else that thinks like you.[/p][/quote]I do not think anyone else thinks quite like I do! Generally I find it more relaxing not to think at all! Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: 8

11:51am Tue 7 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Rainbow over Helston wrote:
I think your generalisation is out of order Cyber Pasty, you cant say most of these people would be against any business in Cornwall, i think that is rubbish. You said you dont live here so presumably you mean in Helston, Helston has four chip shops and other takeaway shops and is only a small town, or are you perhaps a disgruntled person about the hilltop pasty drivethrough. If you want businesses so much perhaps you would like to open one on the empty Helston business park which is what it is for.
Every time I drive past the derelict site at hilltop I think of the opportunities and jobs lost. A shame that the last council chose to meddle with it
Ron I don't think you should let personal opinion get in the way of facts. Whether or not Helston Town Council had recommended refusal for the Hill Top development, (which they did) Cornwall Council would have made the final decision, but the applicants chose to pull out and withdraw their application before it went to Cornwall Council for decision. So you cannot blame the town council. The town council were entitled to object as it would have taken trade away from the town, and my argument was, what was the point investing 106 money in projects in the town to offset any negative affects from the supermarkets if you then let another large place selling the same local goods as the town take trade away. It would rather defeat the object of the supermarkets providing the 106 money.
They were not only going to sell pasties but local produce as well in the shop.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: I think your generalisation is out of order Cyber Pasty, you cant say most of these people would be against any business in Cornwall, i think that is rubbish. You said you dont live here so presumably you mean in Helston, Helston has four chip shops and other takeaway shops and is only a small town, or are you perhaps a disgruntled person about the hilltop pasty drivethrough. If you want businesses so much perhaps you would like to open one on the empty Helston business park which is what it is for.[/p][/quote]Every time I drive past the derelict site at hilltop I think of the opportunities and jobs lost. A shame that the last council chose to meddle with it[/p][/quote]Ron I don't think you should let personal opinion get in the way of facts. Whether or not Helston Town Council had recommended refusal for the Hill Top development, (which they did) Cornwall Council would have made the final decision, but the applicants chose to pull out and withdraw their application before it went to Cornwall Council for decision. So you cannot blame the town council. The town council were entitled to object as it would have taken trade away from the town, and my argument was, what was the point investing 106 money in projects in the town to offset any negative affects from the supermarkets if you then let another large place selling the same local goods as the town take trade away. It would rather defeat the object of the supermarkets providing the 106 money. They were not only going to sell pasties but local produce as well in the shop. Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: 13

10:00am Wed 8 Jan 14

petergg says...

This new fish and chip shop wont affect me personally, but I wont sit on the fence, all I can say is


WELL DONE CORNWALL COUNCIL

JOBS ARE NEEDED IN HELSTON

AND SO ARE SHOPS LIKE THIS ON TURNPIKE SIDE OF TOWN

HURRAY
This new fish and chip shop wont affect me personally, but I wont sit on the fence, all I can say is WELL DONE CORNWALL COUNCIL JOBS ARE NEEDED IN HELSTON AND SO ARE SHOPS LIKE THIS ON TURNPIKE SIDE OF TOWN HURRAY petergg
  • Score: -7

10:04am Wed 8 Jan 14

petergg says...

Oh, and just look at all the negative comments yet again, for a much needed business
Oh, and just look at all the negative comments yet again, for a much needed business petergg
  • Score: -9

10:40am Wed 8 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I do not think there is negativity about a business or the provision of jobs, I think the issues raised are purely the highways problems.
The car-park area has provision for 8 cars, the restaurant I believe seats 24 in addition to which there will be customers for take aways. The entrance to the car-park area is single track which could result in traffic queuing to get in and out, and the business will be on the main road next to the roundabout. When it is up and running I will patronise it myself and see how easy it is to park.
I do not think there is negativity about a business or the provision of jobs, I think the issues raised are purely the highways problems. The car-park area has provision for 8 cars, the restaurant I believe seats 24 in addition to which there will be customers for take aways. The entrance to the car-park area is single track which could result in traffic queuing to get in and out, and the business will be on the main road next to the roundabout. When it is up and running I will patronise it myself and see how easy it is to park. Gillian Zella Martin 09
  • Score: 9

2:36pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Petergg says this does'nt affect him and other people are negative, well then the traffic and parking issues wont affect him so i find that a selfish attitude. Another one like a Cornwall Cllr that i think just wants to stick their head in the sand. Perhaps Cyber Pasty has a point about brown envelopes.
Petergg says this does'nt affect him and other people are negative, well then the traffic and parking issues wont affect him so i find that a selfish attitude. Another one like a Cornwall Cllr that i think just wants to stick their head in the sand. Perhaps Cyber Pasty has a point about brown envelopes. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 4

5:26pm Wed 8 Jan 14

petergg says...

so it wont affect the people who are near or use tescos 500 space car park?
I would say that's more a problem with traffic less than 200 yards away from that gigantic eyesore.

theres always problems with parking near schools or shops when people are lazy and wont walk half a mile to take their kids to school or go to local shops

sorry, you cant use 8 car space car park argument against tescos 500 !
so it wont affect the people who are near or use tescos 500 space car park? I would say that's more a problem with traffic less than 200 yards away from that gigantic eyesore. theres always problems with parking near schools or shops when people are lazy and wont walk half a mile to take their kids to school or go to local shops sorry, you cant use 8 car space car park argument against tescos 500 ! petergg
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6:32pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

petergg wrote:
so it wont affect the people who are near or use tescos 500 space car park?
I would say that's more a problem with traffic less than 200 yards away from that gigantic eyesore.

theres always problems with parking near schools or shops when people are lazy and wont walk half a mile to take their kids to school or go to local shops

sorry, you cant use 8 car space car park argument against tescos 500 !
I am sorry, I am not quite sure of your point. Tesco has adequate parking for its customers with dual direction entry/exit road space. The entrance to the car-park for the chip shop is a single road width track entrance, so if one meets a car coming out whilst trying to enter it, presumably one would have to reverse out into the road, or if one or more cars remain parked in the road waiting to turn into the car-park then traffic would be backed up onto the roundabout. Some staff presumably will need parking spaces as well as customers, if customers are spending time in the restaurant then car parking spaces will remain occupied and limited for people stopping for a take away.
Tesco car-park is camera operated with a time limit and no return within a time limit so chip shop staff could not park there. The road immediately outside the chip shop is already full with cars most of the time now. You cannot really avoid the fact that people will not walk any distance with a takeaway as it would get cold.
As I previously said, I have a neutral opinion on the shop itself, I just question the highways issues, and when it is up and running will patronise it to try it. This whole debate is in your favour anyway as the chip shop has already been given permission!
[quote][p][bold]petergg[/bold] wrote: so it wont affect the people who are near or use tescos 500 space car park? I would say that's more a problem with traffic less than 200 yards away from that gigantic eyesore. theres always problems with parking near schools or shops when people are lazy and wont walk half a mile to take their kids to school or go to local shops sorry, you cant use 8 car space car park argument against tescos 500 ![/p][/quote]I am sorry, I am not quite sure of your point. Tesco has adequate parking for its customers with dual direction entry/exit road space. The entrance to the car-park for the chip shop is a single road width track entrance, so if one meets a car coming out whilst trying to enter it, presumably one would have to reverse out into the road, or if one or more cars remain parked in the road waiting to turn into the car-park then traffic would be backed up onto the roundabout. Some staff presumably will need parking spaces as well as customers, if customers are spending time in the restaurant then car parking spaces will remain occupied and limited for people stopping for a take away. Tesco car-park is camera operated with a time limit and no return within a time limit so chip shop staff could not park there. The road immediately outside the chip shop is already full with cars most of the time now. You cannot really avoid the fact that people will not walk any distance with a takeaway as it would get cold. As I previously said, I have a neutral opinion on the shop itself, I just question the highways issues, and when it is up and running will patronise it to try it. This whole debate is in your favour anyway as the chip shop has already been given permission! Gillian Zella Martin 09
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6:54pm Wed 8 Jan 14

petergg says...

I am told that permission has been granted on the basis that before any of the development is brought into use, parking and
turning areas shall be laid out and constructed in accordance with approved
drawings.

looks like the present road layout outside the premises needs to be altered a bit before the shop can start trading

that makes sense

good luck to the owners
I am told that permission has been granted on the basis that before any of the development is brought into use, parking and turning areas shall be laid out and constructed in accordance with approved drawings. looks like the present road layout outside the premises needs to be altered a bit before the shop can start trading that makes sense good luck to the owners petergg
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7:08pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Problem solved then hopefully!
Problem solved then hopefully! Gillian Zella Martin 09
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