Should Helston town council buy a car: The mayor says yes, do you?

Falmouth Packet: Should Helston town council buy a car: The mayor says yes, do you? Should Helston town council buy a car: The mayor says yes, do you?

Helston Town Council is to discuss whether to buy a vehicle for council use. The move comes at the request of mayor Jonathan Radford-Gaby, who said: “I have felt for some considerable time that it is necessary for this council to have a vehicle, given the amount of divulged assets we’re managing.

“It’s taking an inordinate amount of time without a vehicle to do this. We’ve been relying for a long time on the good will of the staff to use their own vehicles.”

He described it as an “important issue” that should be debated by the whole council, rather than just the amenities committee whose members had begun discussing the matter but called for more information before making a decision.

Mr Radford-Gaby’s request raised questions over whether to abolish the committee structure altogether.

Martine Knight, a member of the amenities group, said: “Our amenities committee is deciding whether there is a proven need. We are custodians of the public pocket and have to be very sure we only spend on what is genuinely needed and not something that is merely wanted.

“This argument has made me wonder whether it would be better to abolish the committee system and have everything at full council meetings.”
However, she believed the matter should be left in the “capable hands” of the amenities members.

Mark Upton was of the same opinion, saying to abandon the committee process on this occasion opened the door to looking at the whole system.

An amenities committee member who supported the full discussion was Gillian Geer. She said the matter should be considered by all councillors but there should be an end to the feeling that the amenities committee was “not pulling its weight.”

John Boase believed a full council meeting would resolve the matter sooner.
Following a majority vote of seven in favour and four against, a special meeting will take place on January 14

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8:10am Mon 6 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I have said for a long time that I believe within parish and town councils there should be no separate committees for finances/amenities/p
lanning etc and that the whole council should vote on every decision, in addition to which I believe if any member is 'sick' or on holiday then a vote on anything should be deferred until all are in attendance. I believe there are too many decisions made whilst there are absent or abstained members. Unless one has a declared 'interest' in that which is to be voted on, then every member in my view, should make a decision and show the public they stand by their beliefs and vote the way they believe, not take the easy option and abstain.

If Helston Town Council need transport, then I do not see why members should be obliged to use their own vehicles, added to which, it would avoid any possible expenses issues. It would in my view be better to have one vehicle accessible to all members as opposed to allowing individual members to submit claims for expenses.
I have said for a long time that I believe within parish and town councils there should be no separate committees for finances/amenities/p lanning etc and that the whole council should vote on every decision, in addition to which I believe if any member is 'sick' or on holiday then a vote on anything should be deferred until all are in attendance. I believe there are too many decisions made whilst there are absent or abstained members. Unless one has a declared 'interest' in that which is to be voted on, then every member in my view, should make a decision and show the public they stand by their beliefs and vote the way they believe, not take the easy option and abstain. If Helston Town Council need transport, then I do not see why members should be obliged to use their own vehicles, added to which, it would avoid any possible expenses issues. It would in my view be better to have one vehicle accessible to all members as opposed to allowing individual members to submit claims for expenses. Gillian Zella Martin 09

10:49am Mon 6 Jan 14

KernBear says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I have said for a long time that I believe within parish and town councils there should be no separate committees for finances/amenities/p

lanning etc and that the whole council should vote on every decision, in addition to which I believe if any member is 'sick' or on holiday then a vote on anything should be deferred until all are in attendance. I believe there are too many decisions made whilst there are absent or abstained members. Unless one has a declared 'interest' in that which is to be voted on, then every member in my view, should make a decision and show the public they stand by their beliefs and vote the way they believe, not take the easy option and abstain.

If Helston Town Council need transport, then I do not see why members should be obliged to use their own vehicles, added to which, it would avoid any possible expenses issues. It would in my view be better to have one vehicle accessible to all members as opposed to allowing individual members to submit claims for expenses.
A good point, but surely the expense of buying, insuring, maintaining a car for the council will far out way the cost of travel expenses with Cllr's own cars? It just seems a little over the top for me.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I have said for a long time that I believe within parish and town councils there should be no separate committees for finances/amenities/p lanning etc and that the whole council should vote on every decision, in addition to which I believe if any member is 'sick' or on holiday then a vote on anything should be deferred until all are in attendance. I believe there are too many decisions made whilst there are absent or abstained members. Unless one has a declared 'interest' in that which is to be voted on, then every member in my view, should make a decision and show the public they stand by their beliefs and vote the way they believe, not take the easy option and abstain. If Helston Town Council need transport, then I do not see why members should be obliged to use their own vehicles, added to which, it would avoid any possible expenses issues. It would in my view be better to have one vehicle accessible to all members as opposed to allowing individual members to submit claims for expenses.[/p][/quote]A good point, but surely the expense of buying, insuring, maintaining a car for the council will far out way the cost of travel expenses with Cllr's own cars? It just seems a little over the top for me. KernBear

11:14am Mon 6 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

KernBear wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I have said for a long time that I believe within parish and town councils there should be no separate committees for finances/amenities/p


lanning etc and that the whole council should vote on every decision, in addition to which I believe if any member is 'sick' or on holiday then a vote on anything should be deferred until all are in attendance. I believe there are too many decisions made whilst there are absent or abstained members. Unless one has a declared 'interest' in that which is to be voted on, then every member in my view, should make a decision and show the public they stand by their beliefs and vote the way they believe, not take the easy option and abstain.

If Helston Town Council need transport, then I do not see why members should be obliged to use their own vehicles, added to which, it would avoid any possible expenses issues. It would in my view be better to have one vehicle accessible to all members as opposed to allowing individual members to submit claims for expenses.
A good point, but surely the expense of buying, insuring, maintaining a car for the council will far out way the cost of travel expenses with Cllr's own cars? It just seems a little over the top for me.
It is not just travel expenses though I believe, take the bigger picture for example, the town warden and the jobs he is expected to do and the distances he has to cover, say for example they had to transport cleaning materials or whatever else, they can hardly be expected to walk around carrying heavy things around the town centre and outskirts of the town, bearing in mind they are taking on more responsibilities from Cornwall Council like toilets, play parks etc. Time would be the essence when opening and closing toilets around the town for example. The more that could be done at local level as opposed to employing contractors would save money in itself.
[quote][p][bold]KernBear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I have said for a long time that I believe within parish and town councils there should be no separate committees for finances/amenities/p lanning etc and that the whole council should vote on every decision, in addition to which I believe if any member is 'sick' or on holiday then a vote on anything should be deferred until all are in attendance. I believe there are too many decisions made whilst there are absent or abstained members. Unless one has a declared 'interest' in that which is to be voted on, then every member in my view, should make a decision and show the public they stand by their beliefs and vote the way they believe, not take the easy option and abstain. If Helston Town Council need transport, then I do not see why members should be obliged to use their own vehicles, added to which, it would avoid any possible expenses issues. It would in my view be better to have one vehicle accessible to all members as opposed to allowing individual members to submit claims for expenses.[/p][/quote]A good point, but surely the expense of buying, insuring, maintaining a car for the council will far out way the cost of travel expenses with Cllr's own cars? It just seems a little over the top for me.[/p][/quote]It is not just travel expenses though I believe, take the bigger picture for example, the town warden and the jobs he is expected to do and the distances he has to cover, say for example they had to transport cleaning materials or whatever else, they can hardly be expected to walk around carrying heavy things around the town centre and outskirts of the town, bearing in mind they are taking on more responsibilities from Cornwall Council like toilets, play parks etc. Time would be the essence when opening and closing toilets around the town for example. The more that could be done at local level as opposed to employing contractors would save money in itself. Gillian Zella Martin 09

11:30am Mon 6 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Looking at things from a different prospective, hypothetically, how efficiently would the town council and associated staff be able to operate, if each individual member refused to do anything which reasonably needed a vehicle with which to do it, and each individual member refused to use their own vehicle, which they are under no obligation so to do. In addition to which, how much more time would be wasted walking or using public transport.
Looking at things from a different prospective, hypothetically, how efficiently would the town council and associated staff be able to operate, if each individual member refused to do anything which reasonably needed a vehicle with which to do it, and each individual member refused to use their own vehicle, which they are under no obligation so to do. In addition to which, how much more time would be wasted walking or using public transport. Gillian Zella Martin 09

12:30pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Isnt' it like saying Tesco delivery people should do the deliveries in their own vehicles? Cornwall seems a bit backward to me, sorry Gill i know you are Cornish but i bet your'e glad you didnt live all your life in Cornwall. The council here needs to move with the times, you seemed to have ideas years ago ahead of what they do down here now. Good thing we have a 21st century mayor in Helston or else with some ofthese Cornish people i think we would be stuck in the dark ages. Ron seems pretty good though, like to see him having a go at being a Cllr. Why dont you Gill?
The council should buy a car, with all the money they spend they might as well have something to show for it.
Isnt' it like saying Tesco delivery people should do the deliveries in their own vehicles? Cornwall seems a bit backward to me, sorry Gill i know you are Cornish but i bet your'e glad you didnt live all your life in Cornwall. The council here needs to move with the times, you seemed to have ideas years ago ahead of what they do down here now. Good thing we have a 21st century mayor in Helston or else with some ofthese Cornish people i think we would be stuck in the dark ages. Ron seems pretty good though, like to see him having a go at being a Cllr. Why dont you Gill? The council should buy a car, with all the money they spend they might as well have something to show for it. Rainbow over Helston

12:42pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Helston Observer says...

Speaking to some people I know, it was a van, not a car, that was under discussion, and not for the members, but for the staff who have to carry cleaning materials, weed killer, salt, rubbish, deliver notices, inspect playgrounds etc. which up to now they have been doing in their own cars. I was told the six person committee who had the task of sorting it were dithering and not making a decision, so the mayor stepped in and pulled it to a meeting of all the councillors. I can't see personally how you can operate a council with their responsibilities without so much as one vehicle. Has to be a van though, not a car.
Speaking to some people I know, it was a van, not a car, that was under discussion, and not for the members, but for the staff who have to carry cleaning materials, weed killer, salt, rubbish, deliver notices, inspect playgrounds etc. which up to now they have been doing in their own cars. I was told the six person committee who had the task of sorting it were dithering and not making a decision, so the mayor stepped in and pulled it to a meeting of all the councillors. I can't see personally how you can operate a council with their responsibilities without so much as one vehicle. Has to be a van though, not a car. Helston Observer

1:13pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I assumed they were talking van not car anyway, as it was, I believe, in the Packet a long time ago, stated that the town warden could do with the use of a van for his duties.
If the committee concerned cannot/will not make a decision then the decision should in my view be taken by a full council vote. Not much point having committees if they fail to commit themselves to decisions.
Perhaps Helston Town Council could do with a few more members a little more pro active.
I assumed they were talking van not car anyway, as it was, I believe, in the Packet a long time ago, stated that the town warden could do with the use of a van for his duties. If the committee concerned cannot/will not make a decision then the decision should in my view be taken by a full council vote. Not much point having committees if they fail to commit themselves to decisions. Perhaps Helston Town Council could do with a few more members a little more pro active. Gillian Zella Martin 09

3:20pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

The discussion of a van for use by the Helston Town Warden took place in February 2010, the current council have been in place since May 2012 so presumably this is an ongoing issue regarding requiring a van for council use, how long does it take to make a decision? Surely they should vote and either decide yes or no and stand by, and make public, their individual beliefs.
Why were they not discussing and making a decision on this more important issue instead of discussing the use of the Cornish language and whether or not 'the chair' should be called Madame or whatever else it was. Perhaps the next discussion should include priorities.
The discussion of a van for use by the Helston Town Warden took place in February 2010, the current council have been in place since May 2012 so presumably this is an ongoing issue regarding requiring a van for council use, how long does it take to make a decision? Surely they should vote and either decide yes or no and stand by, and make public, their individual beliefs. Why were they not discussing and making a decision on this more important issue instead of discussing the use of the Cornish language and whether or not 'the chair' should be called Madame or whatever else it was. Perhaps the next discussion should include priorities. Gillian Zella Martin 09

7:53am Tue 7 Jan 14

Helston Observer says...

GZM has hit the nail on the head as usual, instead of messing round with a load of political correctness and general rubbish like that, perhaps they could spend their time making important decisions that actually affect Helston. In fairness, from what I read, those two pieces of pointless non-business were brought to the table by one of the councillors who was elected last May, who has been about as much good to the town as a chocolate fire guard so far, from what I can see of her.
GZM has hit the nail on the head as usual, instead of messing round with a load of political correctness and general rubbish like that, perhaps they could spend their time making important decisions that actually affect Helston. In fairness, from what I read, those two pieces of pointless non-business were brought to the table by one of the councillors who was elected last May, who has been about as much good to the town as a chocolate fire guard so far, from what I can see of her. Helston Observer

12:14pm Tue 7 Jan 14

KernBear says...

A Van. Then that makes more sense than a Car..
A Van. Then that makes more sense than a Car.. KernBear

12:34pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I believe the idea was always for a van. The original discussion long ago was for a van for the town warden to use. I would be interested to know how all the people that have voted no in the above poll, would suggest the council staff conduct much of their business without transport. Next time there is adverse weather and people are requesting salt/grit for local areas then I suggest the council make people come and collect it in their own vehicles as opposed to staff using their own vehicles to distribute it to places.
Expecting staff to use their own vehicles when on council business would not work if the staff owned no vehicle!
I believe the idea was always for a van. The original discussion long ago was for a van for the town warden to use. I would be interested to know how all the people that have voted no in the above poll, would suggest the council staff conduct much of their business without transport. Next time there is adverse weather and people are requesting salt/grit for local areas then I suggest the council make people come and collect it in their own vehicles as opposed to staff using their own vehicles to distribute it to places. Expecting staff to use their own vehicles when on council business would not work if the staff owned no vehicle! Gillian Zella Martin 09

12:40pm Tue 7 Jan 14

KernBear says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I believe the idea was always for a van. The original discussion long ago was for a van for the town warden to use. I would be interested to know how all the people that have voted no in the above poll, would suggest the council staff conduct much of their business without transport. Next time there is adverse weather and people are requesting salt/grit for local areas then I suggest the council make people come and collect it in their own vehicles as opposed to staff using their own vehicles to distribute it to places.
Expecting staff to use their own vehicles when on council business would not work if the staff owned no vehicle!
I was only against it because I read it as a car, for the Cllrs to use. And to be honest, I could not see its benefit as to be honest, I assumed all the Cllrs could drive and had a car, and really only needed to drive to meetings. . But a van is a good idea. Like you say GZM, its about keeping things local. I can see good old MrB driving around in that. Perhaps it should have a winch to help the cars out of the Kennels!?
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I believe the idea was always for a van. The original discussion long ago was for a van for the town warden to use. I would be interested to know how all the people that have voted no in the above poll, would suggest the council staff conduct much of their business without transport. Next time there is adverse weather and people are requesting salt/grit for local areas then I suggest the council make people come and collect it in their own vehicles as opposed to staff using their own vehicles to distribute it to places. Expecting staff to use their own vehicles when on council business would not work if the staff owned no vehicle![/p][/quote]I was only against it because I read it as a car, for the Cllrs to use. And to be honest, I could not see its benefit as to be honest, I assumed all the Cllrs could drive and had a car, and really only needed to drive to meetings. . But a van is a good idea. Like you say GZM, its about keeping things local. I can see good old MrB driving around in that. Perhaps it should have a winch to help the cars out of the Kennels!? KernBear

12:53pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Oh well, what does it matter really, if no one bothers to carry cleaning materials to the public toilets and elsewhere around town, or deliver leaflets due to lack of time and transport, when refusing to use their own vehicles anymore, at least the Councillors can sit round the table comforted by the knowledge that the stationary they send out by post will now have a Cornish translation printed on it, I expect the recipients will be thrilled with that!
Oh well, what does it matter really, if no one bothers to carry cleaning materials to the public toilets and elsewhere around town, or deliver leaflets due to lack of time and transport, when refusing to use their own vehicles anymore, at least the Councillors can sit round the table comforted by the knowledge that the stationary they send out by post will now have a Cornish translation printed on it, I expect the recipients will be thrilled with that! Gillian Zella Martin 09

12:55pm Tue 7 Jan 14

KernBear says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
Isnt' it like saying Tesco delivery people should do the deliveries in their own vehicles? Cornwall seems a bit backward to me, sorry Gill i know you are Cornish but i bet your'e glad you didnt live all your life in Cornwall. The council here needs to move with the times, you seemed to have ideas years ago ahead of what they do down here now. Good thing we have a 21st century mayor in Helston or else with some ofthese Cornish people i think we would be stuck in the dark ages. Ron seems pretty good though, like to see him having a go at being a Cllr. Why dont you Gill?
The council should buy a car, with all the money they spend they might as well have something to show for it.
What's makes you so special to stereotype an entire population?
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: Isnt' it like saying Tesco delivery people should do the deliveries in their own vehicles? Cornwall seems a bit backward to me, sorry Gill i know you are Cornish but i bet your'e glad you didnt live all your life in Cornwall. The council here needs to move with the times, you seemed to have ideas years ago ahead of what they do down here now. Good thing we have a 21st century mayor in Helston or else with some ofthese Cornish people i think we would be stuck in the dark ages. Ron seems pretty good though, like to see him having a go at being a Cllr. Why dont you Gill? The council should buy a car, with all the money they spend they might as well have something to show for it.[/p][/quote]What's makes you so special to stereotype an entire population? KernBear

12:59pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

KernBear wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I believe the idea was always for a van. The original discussion long ago was for a van for the town warden to use. I would be interested to know how all the people that have voted no in the above poll, would suggest the council staff conduct much of their business without transport. Next time there is adverse weather and people are requesting salt/grit for local areas then I suggest the council make people come and collect it in their own vehicles as opposed to staff using their own vehicles to distribute it to places.
Expecting staff to use their own vehicles when on council business would not work if the staff owned no vehicle!
I was only against it because I read it as a car, for the Cllrs to use. And to be honest, I could not see its benefit as to be honest, I assumed all the Cllrs could drive and had a car, and really only needed to drive to meetings. . But a van is a good idea. Like you say GZM, its about keeping things local. I can see good old MrB driving around in that. Perhaps it should have a winch to help the cars out of the Kennels!?
Yes I was thinking about that, getting people's vehicles out of the kennels for them, it seems to me the council supports some people more than some people support them!

They could have a logo printed on the van, something like 'Helston Town Council Here To Help'
[quote][p][bold]KernBear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I believe the idea was always for a van. The original discussion long ago was for a van for the town warden to use. I would be interested to know how all the people that have voted no in the above poll, would suggest the council staff conduct much of their business without transport. Next time there is adverse weather and people are requesting salt/grit for local areas then I suggest the council make people come and collect it in their own vehicles as opposed to staff using their own vehicles to distribute it to places. Expecting staff to use their own vehicles when on council business would not work if the staff owned no vehicle![/p][/quote]I was only against it because I read it as a car, for the Cllrs to use. And to be honest, I could not see its benefit as to be honest, I assumed all the Cllrs could drive and had a car, and really only needed to drive to meetings. . But a van is a good idea. Like you say GZM, its about keeping things local. I can see good old MrB driving around in that. Perhaps it should have a winch to help the cars out of the Kennels!?[/p][/quote]Yes I was thinking about that, getting people's vehicles out of the kennels for them, it seems to me the council supports some people more than some people support them! They could have a logo printed on the van, something like 'Helston Town Council Here To Help' Gillian Zella Martin 09

1:11pm Tue 7 Jan 14

KernBear says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
KernBear wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I believe the idea was always for a van. The original discussion long ago was for a van for the town warden to use. I would be interested to know how all the people that have voted no in the above poll, would suggest the council staff conduct much of their business without transport. Next time there is adverse weather and people are requesting salt/grit for local areas then I suggest the council make people come and collect it in their own vehicles as opposed to staff using their own vehicles to distribute it to places.
Expecting staff to use their own vehicles when on council business would not work if the staff owned no vehicle!
I was only against it because I read it as a car, for the Cllrs to use. And to be honest, I could not see its benefit as to be honest, I assumed all the Cllrs could drive and had a car, and really only needed to drive to meetings. . But a van is a good idea. Like you say GZM, its about keeping things local. I can see good old MrB driving around in that. Perhaps it should have a winch to help the cars out of the Kennels!?
Yes I was thinking about that, getting people's vehicles out of the kennels for them, it seems to me the council supports some people more than some people support them!

They could have a logo printed on the van, something like 'Helston Town Council Here To Help'
I think a logo would be a good image. I am not sure how many people in Helston even know what the council does. I must admit, I didn't until I started coming on the Packet website and reading the comments. The news articles themselves are not very informative and do not portray the real story (like saying the HTC need a Car instead a Van), so its down to others to tell the real story.
So, having a logo on the van will help the Council increase their visibility around the town.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KernBear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I believe the idea was always for a van. The original discussion long ago was for a van for the town warden to use. I would be interested to know how all the people that have voted no in the above poll, would suggest the council staff conduct much of their business without transport. Next time there is adverse weather and people are requesting salt/grit for local areas then I suggest the council make people come and collect it in their own vehicles as opposed to staff using their own vehicles to distribute it to places. Expecting staff to use their own vehicles when on council business would not work if the staff owned no vehicle![/p][/quote]I was only against it because I read it as a car, for the Cllrs to use. And to be honest, I could not see its benefit as to be honest, I assumed all the Cllrs could drive and had a car, and really only needed to drive to meetings. . But a van is a good idea. Like you say GZM, its about keeping things local. I can see good old MrB driving around in that. Perhaps it should have a winch to help the cars out of the Kennels!?[/p][/quote]Yes I was thinking about that, getting people's vehicles out of the kennels for them, it seems to me the council supports some people more than some people support them! They could have a logo printed on the van, something like 'Helston Town Council Here To Help'[/p][/quote]I think a logo would be a good image. I am not sure how many people in Helston even know what the council does. I must admit, I didn't until I started coming on the Packet website and reading the comments. The news articles themselves are not very informative and do not portray the real story (like saying the HTC need a Car instead a Van), so its down to others to tell the real story. So, having a logo on the van will help the Council increase their visibility around the town. KernBear

1:21pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

KernBear wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
KernBear wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I believe the idea was always for a van. The original discussion long ago was for a van for the town warden to use. I would be interested to know how all the people that have voted no in the above poll, would suggest the council staff conduct much of their business without transport. Next time there is adverse weather and people are requesting salt/grit for local areas then I suggest the council make people come and collect it in their own vehicles as opposed to staff using their own vehicles to distribute it to places.
Expecting staff to use their own vehicles when on council business would not work if the staff owned no vehicle!
I was only against it because I read it as a car, for the Cllrs to use. And to be honest, I could not see its benefit as to be honest, I assumed all the Cllrs could drive and had a car, and really only needed to drive to meetings. . But a van is a good idea. Like you say GZM, its about keeping things local. I can see good old MrB driving around in that. Perhaps it should have a winch to help the cars out of the Kennels!?
Yes I was thinking about that, getting people's vehicles out of the kennels for them, it seems to me the council supports some people more than some people support them!

They could have a logo printed on the van, something like 'Helston Town Council Here To Help'
I think a logo would be a good image. I am not sure how many people in Helston even know what the council does. I must admit, I didn't until I started coming on the Packet website and reading the comments. The news articles themselves are not very informative and do not portray the real story (like saying the HTC need a Car instead a Van), so its down to others to tell the real story.
So, having a logo on the van will help the Council increase their visibility around the town.
In fairness to the Packet, they print what information they are given, I suggest someone from Helston Town Council possibly gave them the information a car was wanted, perhaps with the intention to attract an adverse reaction from the public and gain support for the Councillors that do not want a vehicle to be purchased.
[quote][p][bold]KernBear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KernBear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I believe the idea was always for a van. The original discussion long ago was for a van for the town warden to use. I would be interested to know how all the people that have voted no in the above poll, would suggest the council staff conduct much of their business without transport. Next time there is adverse weather and people are requesting salt/grit for local areas then I suggest the council make people come and collect it in their own vehicles as opposed to staff using their own vehicles to distribute it to places. Expecting staff to use their own vehicles when on council business would not work if the staff owned no vehicle![/p][/quote]I was only against it because I read it as a car, for the Cllrs to use. And to be honest, I could not see its benefit as to be honest, I assumed all the Cllrs could drive and had a car, and really only needed to drive to meetings. . But a van is a good idea. Like you say GZM, its about keeping things local. I can see good old MrB driving around in that. Perhaps it should have a winch to help the cars out of the Kennels!?[/p][/quote]Yes I was thinking about that, getting people's vehicles out of the kennels for them, it seems to me the council supports some people more than some people support them! They could have a logo printed on the van, something like 'Helston Town Council Here To Help'[/p][/quote]I think a logo would be a good image. I am not sure how many people in Helston even know what the council does. I must admit, I didn't until I started coming on the Packet website and reading the comments. The news articles themselves are not very informative and do not portray the real story (like saying the HTC need a Car instead a Van), so its down to others to tell the real story. So, having a logo on the van will help the Council increase their visibility around the town.[/p][/quote]In fairness to the Packet, they print what information they are given, I suggest someone from Helston Town Council possibly gave them the information a car was wanted, perhaps with the intention to attract an adverse reaction from the public and gain support for the Councillors that do not want a vehicle to be purchased. Gillian Zella Martin 09

1:32pm Tue 7 Jan 14

KernBear says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
KernBear wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
KernBear wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I believe the idea was always for a van. The original discussion long ago was for a van for the town warden to use. I would be interested to know how all the people that have voted no in the above poll, would suggest the council staff conduct much of their business without transport. Next time there is adverse weather and people are requesting salt/grit for local areas then I suggest the council make people come and collect it in their own vehicles as opposed to staff using their own vehicles to distribute it to places.
Expecting staff to use their own vehicles when on council business would not work if the staff owned no vehicle!
I was only against it because I read it as a car, for the Cllrs to use. And to be honest, I could not see its benefit as to be honest, I assumed all the Cllrs could drive and had a car, and really only needed to drive to meetings. . But a van is a good idea. Like you say GZM, its about keeping things local. I can see good old MrB driving around in that. Perhaps it should have a winch to help the cars out of the Kennels!?
Yes I was thinking about that, getting people's vehicles out of the kennels for them, it seems to me the council supports some people more than some people support them!

They could have a logo printed on the van, something like 'Helston Town Council Here To Help'
I think a logo would be a good image. I am not sure how many people in Helston even know what the council does. I must admit, I didn't until I started coming on the Packet website and reading the comments. The news articles themselves are not very informative and do not portray the real story (like saying the HTC need a Car instead a Van), so its down to others to tell the real story.
So, having a logo on the van will help the Council increase their visibility around the town.
In fairness to the Packet, they print what information they are given, I suggest someone from Helston Town Council possibly gave them the information a car was wanted, perhaps with the intention to attract an adverse reaction from the public and gain support for the Councillors that do not want a vehicle to be purchased.
Haha.. This is true. I suppose I never expect such an act of propaganda in such a small and out of the way town. But Politics is Politics, and then again, Journalism is Journalism.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KernBear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KernBear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I believe the idea was always for a van. The original discussion long ago was for a van for the town warden to use. I would be interested to know how all the people that have voted no in the above poll, would suggest the council staff conduct much of their business without transport. Next time there is adverse weather and people are requesting salt/grit for local areas then I suggest the council make people come and collect it in their own vehicles as opposed to staff using their own vehicles to distribute it to places. Expecting staff to use their own vehicles when on council business would not work if the staff owned no vehicle![/p][/quote]I was only against it because I read it as a car, for the Cllrs to use. And to be honest, I could not see its benefit as to be honest, I assumed all the Cllrs could drive and had a car, and really only needed to drive to meetings. . But a van is a good idea. Like you say GZM, its about keeping things local. I can see good old MrB driving around in that. Perhaps it should have a winch to help the cars out of the Kennels!?[/p][/quote]Yes I was thinking about that, getting people's vehicles out of the kennels for them, it seems to me the council supports some people more than some people support them! They could have a logo printed on the van, something like 'Helston Town Council Here To Help'[/p][/quote]I think a logo would be a good image. I am not sure how many people in Helston even know what the council does. I must admit, I didn't until I started coming on the Packet website and reading the comments. The news articles themselves are not very informative and do not portray the real story (like saying the HTC need a Car instead a Van), so its down to others to tell the real story. So, having a logo on the van will help the Council increase their visibility around the town.[/p][/quote]In fairness to the Packet, they print what information they are given, I suggest someone from Helston Town Council possibly gave them the information a car was wanted, perhaps with the intention to attract an adverse reaction from the public and gain support for the Councillors that do not want a vehicle to be purchased.[/p][/quote]Haha.. This is true. I suppose I never expect such an act of propaganda in such a small and out of the way town. But Politics is Politics, and then again, Journalism is Journalism. KernBear

2:17pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I think you get tax relief if you put a logo on a vehicle belonging to a business.

Tax relief is available on uniforms, so all the Councillors and Council Staff could fit themselves out with lots of nice new clothes and have a tiny little logo somewhere barely visible like inside the collar on the label, and it could be paid for out of council money, and they would not be taxed on their nice new clothes. Think what fun the public would have complaining about that, and they could always have the logo in Cornish! Everyone would then know who the Councillors are when they are out about in town.

This used to apply with a rail operating company uniform including the shoes, you would know who the staff were easily, because you knew no one would ever choose a pair of shoes like that!
I think you get tax relief if you put a logo on a vehicle belonging to a business. Tax relief is available on uniforms, so all the Councillors and Council Staff could fit themselves out with lots of nice new clothes and have a tiny little logo somewhere barely visible like inside the collar on the label, and it could be paid for out of council money, and they would not be taxed on their nice new clothes. Think what fun the public would have complaining about that, and they could always have the logo in Cornish! Everyone would then know who the Councillors are when they are out about in town. This used to apply with a rail operating company uniform including the shoes, you would know who the staff were easily, because you knew no one would ever choose a pair of shoes like that! Gillian Zella Martin 09

7:27pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

KernBear wrote:
Rainbow over Helston wrote:
Isnt' it like saying Tesco delivery people should do the deliveries in their own vehicles? Cornwall seems a bit backward to me, sorry Gill i know you are Cornish but i bet your'e glad you didnt live all your life in Cornwall. The council here needs to move with the times, you seemed to have ideas years ago ahead of what they do down here now. Good thing we have a 21st century mayor in Helston or else with some ofthese Cornish people i think we would be stuck in the dark ages. Ron seems pretty good though, like to see him having a go at being a Cllr. Why dont you Gill?
The council should buy a car, with all the money they spend they might as well have something to show for it.
What's makes you so special to stereotype an entire population?
I never claimed to be special, i am just stating my opinion to me Cornwall seems backward. It has no stadium, no decent public transport,roads full of potholes, town councils that dont even have basic facilities like a vehicle to lug supplies like cleaning stuff around in, im not saying its Cornwall's fault if they cant afford a stadium and things im just saying as a county to me it seems backward. Aren't you aware of the reputation it has elsewhere as being behind the times. Look at the fiasco with the past mayor in Helston and he is Cornish, not saying all Cornish people are daft or that he is, that is not what i mean at all but that sort of thing dosn't help. Mr Boase is a lovely person but to me is typical of someone that has never been out of the county so to speak. Your immediate reaction to my comment is exactly what i mean, instead of just asking me to elaborate in what i meant by backward you just immediately ask me what is so special about me when i never said i was special. I only rent and have an average job, i'm not special but i still think Cornwall is backward in a lot of what it does or does't do. But that is only my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]KernBear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: Isnt' it like saying Tesco delivery people should do the deliveries in their own vehicles? Cornwall seems a bit backward to me, sorry Gill i know you are Cornish but i bet your'e glad you didnt live all your life in Cornwall. The council here needs to move with the times, you seemed to have ideas years ago ahead of what they do down here now. Good thing we have a 21st century mayor in Helston or else with some ofthese Cornish people i think we would be stuck in the dark ages. Ron seems pretty good though, like to see him having a go at being a Cllr. Why dont you Gill? The council should buy a car, with all the money they spend they might as well have something to show for it.[/p][/quote]What's makes you so special to stereotype an entire population?[/p][/quote]I never claimed to be special, i am just stating my opinion to me Cornwall seems backward. It has no stadium, no decent public transport,roads full of potholes, town councils that dont even have basic facilities like a vehicle to lug supplies like cleaning stuff around in, im not saying its Cornwall's fault if they cant afford a stadium and things im just saying as a county to me it seems backward. Aren't you aware of the reputation it has elsewhere as being behind the times. Look at the fiasco with the past mayor in Helston and he is Cornish, not saying all Cornish people are daft or that he is, that is not what i mean at all but that sort of thing dosn't help. Mr Boase is a lovely person but to me is typical of someone that has never been out of the county so to speak. Your immediate reaction to my comment is exactly what i mean, instead of just asking me to elaborate in what i meant by backward you just immediately ask me what is so special about me when i never said i was special. I only rent and have an average job, i'm not special but i still think Cornwall is backward in a lot of what it does or does't do. But that is only my opinion. Rainbow over Helston

8:17pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

In for a penny in for a pound, some people thought the election would solve everything but i dont think it has, i think all the town Cllrs that are the same as pre election are good especially the mayor and Cllr Thomas but i think a couple of the new Cllrs are hopeless. I think Cllr Knight will be the ruin of the council. And before people like Gill moans, i am now posting under my own name. Rhainey Dymond originally from Scotland and will be returning there no doubt many will be pleased to hear. I worked with Gill in Kent and she is the most placid and politest Cornish person i have ever met even though a little unconventional. Good luck to Helston tc with no van because i doubt you will get one because some want to stay with their power complexs. I think Cllr Knight is on a popularity mission with public by saying no to a van. Just my opinion.
In for a penny in for a pound, some people thought the election would solve everything but i dont think it has, i think all the town Cllrs that are the same as pre election are good especially the mayor and Cllr Thomas but i think a couple of the new Cllrs are hopeless. I think Cllr Knight will be the ruin of the council. And before people like Gill moans, i am now posting under my own name. Rhainey Dymond originally from Scotland and will be returning there no doubt many will be pleased to hear. I worked with Gill in Kent and she is the most placid and politest Cornish person i have ever met even though a little unconventional. Good luck to Helston tc with no van because i doubt you will get one because some want to stay with their power complexs. I think Cllr Knight is on a popularity mission with public by saying no to a van. Just my opinion. Rainbow over Helston

7:52am Wed 8 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
In for a penny in for a pound, some people thought the election would solve everything but i dont think it has, i think all the town Cllrs that are the same as pre election are good especially the mayor and Cllr Thomas but i think a couple of the new Cllrs are hopeless. I think Cllr Knight will be the ruin of the council. And before people like Gill moans, i am now posting under my own name. Rhainey Dymond originally from Scotland and will be returning there no doubt many will be pleased to hear. I worked with Gill in Kent and she is the most placid and politest Cornish person i have ever met even though a little unconventional. Good luck to Helston tc with no van because i doubt you will get one because some want to stay with their power complexs. I think Cllr Knight is on a popularity mission with public by saying no to a van. Just my opinion.
Thanks for the character analysis Rhainey but I disagree. Incidentally if you rearrange your name and omit one letter it is the same as my middle name!

The council will never please all of the people all of the time, however, Councillor Martine Knight states in the article "we are custodians of the public purse and have to be very sure we only spend on what is genuinely needed" Why did she not apply this mandate when initiating the idea of introducing the use of the Cornish language, maybe cost is minimal in having Cornish added to stationary but it is still something in my view that was not really needed.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: In for a penny in for a pound, some people thought the election would solve everything but i dont think it has, i think all the town Cllrs that are the same as pre election are good especially the mayor and Cllr Thomas but i think a couple of the new Cllrs are hopeless. I think Cllr Knight will be the ruin of the council. And before people like Gill moans, i am now posting under my own name. Rhainey Dymond originally from Scotland and will be returning there no doubt many will be pleased to hear. I worked with Gill in Kent and she is the most placid and politest Cornish person i have ever met even though a little unconventional. Good luck to Helston tc with no van because i doubt you will get one because some want to stay with their power complexs. I think Cllr Knight is on a popularity mission with public by saying no to a van. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the character analysis Rhainey but I disagree. Incidentally if you rearrange your name and omit one letter it is the same as my middle name! The council will never please all of the people all of the time, however, Councillor Martine Knight states in the article "we are custodians of the public purse and have to be very sure we only spend on what is genuinely needed" Why did she not apply this mandate when initiating the idea of introducing the use of the Cornish language, maybe cost is minimal in having Cornish added to stationary but it is still something in my view that was not really needed. Gillian Zella Martin 09

9:19pm Wed 8 Jan 14

southseabubble says...

Lets hope when said vehicle is brought to the town centre the traffic warden leaves it alone.!!
Surely paying ex's is less aggravation and transparrent.
Maybe the warden can go litter picking in it , perhaps even as far as St Johns.!!
One more car means one less space for residents to park , or will they buy a season ticket to park it as well ?
Lets hope when said vehicle is brought to the town centre the traffic warden leaves it alone.!! Surely paying ex's is less aggravation and transparrent. Maybe the warden can go litter picking in it , perhaps even as far as St Johns.!! One more car means one less space for residents to park , or will they buy a season ticket to park it as well ? southseabubble

9:54pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

I think the point is the staff dont want to use their own cars and they shouldnt have to. What if they didnt bring their car to work or have a car.
I think the point is the staff dont want to use their own cars and they shouldnt have to. What if they didnt bring their car to work or have a car. Rainbow over Helston

3:14pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Matt Tonkins says...

southseabubble wrote:
Lets hope when said vehicle is brought to the town centre the traffic warden leaves it alone.!!
Surely paying ex's is less aggravation and transparrent.
Maybe the warden can go litter picking in it , perhaps even as far as St Johns.!!
One more car means one less space for residents to park , or will they buy a season ticket to park it as well ?
One Van is hardly going to upset matters is it.. if it does, then Helston is doomed anyway.
[quote][p][bold]southseabubble[/bold] wrote: Lets hope when said vehicle is brought to the town centre the traffic warden leaves it alone.!! Surely paying ex's is less aggravation and transparrent. Maybe the warden can go litter picking in it , perhaps even as far as St Johns.!! One more car means one less space for residents to park , or will they buy a season ticket to park it as well ?[/p][/quote]One Van is hardly going to upset matters is it.. if it does, then Helston is doomed anyway. Matt Tonkins

3:52pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

A van is an amazing Idea. The easier the job, the more efficient it is, and the more can get done, so its good value for money. This will especially be the case if the do get a winch for the front of the van and charge people who get stuck in the kennels. More money for the HTC to use to make Helston a much better place. :)
A van is an amazing Idea. The easier the job, the more efficient it is, and the more can get done, so its good value for money. This will especially be the case if the do get a winch for the front of the van and charge people who get stuck in the kennels. More money for the HTC to use to make Helston a much better place. :) Geo Helston

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