'Easy fix' as new benches installed in Helston

Falmouth Packet: 'Easy fix' as new benches installed in Helston 'Easy fix' as new benches installed in Helston

Fifteen new benches are now in place in Helston, giving a welcome respite to people walking through the town.

They have been bought and installed by the town council, after a suggestion from councillor Martine Knight back in July.

She told the amenities committee that Helston was particularly hilly and it was difficult for the less able to get around.

Mrs Knight suggested that if the council wanted to draw more people to the town, more public seating was an “easy fix” that would help people stay there for longer.

As a result, 15 benches are now in situ, after the committee agreed a maximum budget of £3,630.

Any shortful would be found from the town centre management fund, up to a maximum of £1,000.

In the town centre benches have been placed outside Helston Job Centre Plus, M&Co, Superdrug and Helston Methodist Chapel, plus a couple at the bowling green.

Slightly further out, there are now seats at the top of Trengrouse Way, at the junction of Trengrouse Way and Godolphin Road underneath the advertising hoarding, as well as by the bus stop near Godolphin House, outside the Wendron Street car park and another on the outside of the road.

Two more are in Monument Road and underneath the Coronation Park sign, on the road to Lidl.

All the benches are black in colour and installed to follow the natural topography of the land, to aid the visually impaired.

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12:13pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Matt Tonkins says...

Installed to follow the natural topography of the land! Is that a nice way of saying that the HTC are too tight to make them level?
Installed to follow the natural topography of the land! Is that a nice way of saying that the HTC are too tight to make them level? Matt Tonkins

12:22pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Matt Tonkins says...

Good work in putting them in anyway. I am sure they will be useful.
Good work in putting them in anyway. I am sure they will be useful. Matt Tonkins

12:54pm Fri 10 Jan 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Glad they've done it, but they do kinda look like they've been dumped... They look temporary and ill-placed in my opinion.
Glad they've done it, but they do kinda look like they've been dumped... They look temporary and ill-placed in my opinion. krazyitchkatie

1:41pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

They do look odd not being level. I can't say they will be too comfortable. I will have to give them a test next time I'm in town.
They do look odd not being level. I can't say they will be too comfortable. I will have to give them a test next time I'm in town. Geo Helston

2:41pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

I thought for a minute Krazyitchkatie was talking about some Cllrs.
Some of them look ill placed to me.
So this is supposed to be Cllr Knights idea so she can take the credit,thats funny because i thought some members of the public suggested it before she even got on the council, i remember reading it on here for a start, well if she wants to take the credit she can take the flak for a bodge job.
I thought for a minute Krazyitchkatie was talking about some Cllrs. Some of them look ill placed to me. So this is supposed to be Cllr Knights idea so she can take the credit,thats funny because i thought some members of the public suggested it before she even got on the council, i remember reading it on here for a start, well if she wants to take the credit she can take the flak for a bodge job. Rainbow over Helston

4:18pm Fri 10 Jan 14

meerkats says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
I thought for a minute Krazyitchkatie was talking about some Cllrs.
Some of them look ill placed to me.
So this is supposed to be Cllr Knights idea so she can take the credit,thats funny because i thought some members of the public suggested it before she even got on the council, i remember reading it on here for a start, well if she wants to take the credit she can take the flak for a bodge job.
i agree ,benches have been suggested on these comments pages many times ,when ideas for the town were being requested ,long before Cllr Knight suggested it. They do look odd but will probably be well used.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: I thought for a minute Krazyitchkatie was talking about some Cllrs. Some of them look ill placed to me. So this is supposed to be Cllr Knights idea so she can take the credit,thats funny because i thought some members of the public suggested it before she even got on the council, i remember reading it on here for a start, well if she wants to take the credit she can take the flak for a bodge job.[/p][/quote]i agree ,benches have been suggested on these comments pages many times ,when ideas for the town were being requested ,long before Cllr Knight suggested it. They do look odd but will probably be well used. meerkats

4:32pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

Are they anchored down? They look like they can be stolen quite easy.
Are they anchored down? They look like they can be stolen quite easy. Geo Helston

4:43pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I first saw one in Helston yesterday and sat on it, but was not sure if I was supposed to be sitting on it because to me it looked a little like a 'workmate' that people that do DIY use, I half expected a workman to appear and tell me he was busy using it to build some benches on. As I worked my way up through the town I realised there was more of them so it was alright to sit on them.
I am pleased the town council have provided them and am sure they will be appreciated by many.
I first saw one in Helston yesterday and sat on it, but was not sure if I was supposed to be sitting on it because to me it looked a little like a 'workmate' that people that do DIY use, I half expected a workman to appear and tell me he was busy using it to build some benches on. As I worked my way up through the town I realised there was more of them so it was alright to sit on them. I am pleased the town council have provided them and am sure they will be appreciated by many. Gillian Zella Martin 09

4:46pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Geo Helston wrote:
Are they anchored down? They look like they can be stolen quite easy.
They are fixed to the ground yes.
[quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: Are they anchored down? They look like they can be stolen quite easy.[/p][/quote]They are fixed to the ground yes. Gillian Zella Martin 09

5:01pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Glad they've done it, but they do kinda look like they've been dumped... They look temporary and ill-placed in my opinion.
I agree with you they look temporary and ill placed, that is why when I saw the first one I was not sure whether I should sit on it!
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: Glad they've done it, but they do kinda look like they've been dumped... They look temporary and ill-placed in my opinion.[/p][/quote]I agree with you they look temporary and ill placed, that is why when I saw the first one I was not sure whether I should sit on it! Gillian Zella Martin 09

6:25pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

I was checking the archives and you Gill mentioned benches more than once, so you should like them lol
I was checking the archives and you Gill mentioned benches more than once, so you should like them lol Rainbow over Helston

6:42pm Fri 10 Jan 14

meerkats says...

Perhaps Cllr Knight did the instructions for the design and placements in Cornish and nobody could understand lol
Perhaps Cllr Knight did the instructions for the design and placements in Cornish and nobody could understand lol meerkats

7:02pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

When I suggested additional benches for the town, I had in mind about 4 or 6 aesthetically pleasing good quality ones that would be in keeping with a unique town and acceptable in a conservation area.
When I suggested additional benches for the town, I had in mind about 4 or 6 aesthetically pleasing good quality ones that would be in keeping with a unique town and acceptable in a conservation area. Gillian Zella Martin 09

7:03pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

meerkats wrote:
Perhaps Cllr Knight did the instructions for the design and placements in Cornish and nobody could understand lol
Lol, yes, and you have to call them Madame chair!
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: Perhaps Cllr Knight did the instructions for the design and placements in Cornish and nobody could understand lol[/p][/quote]Lol, yes, and you have to call them Madame chair! Gillian Zella Martin 09

7:07pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I don't mean to seem ungrateful and I suppose they do not want to encourage people to 'congregate' on them at night drinking etc, but quite frankly I think they look like something you put flower pots on.
I don't mean to seem ungrateful and I suppose they do not want to encourage people to 'congregate' on them at night drinking etc, but quite frankly I think they look like something you put flower pots on. Gillian Zella Martin 09

7:29pm Fri 10 Jan 14

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
meerkats wrote:
Perhaps Cllr Knight did the instructions for the design and placements in Cornish and nobody could understand lol
Lol, yes, and you have to call them Madame chair!
lol
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: Perhaps Cllr Knight did the instructions for the design and placements in Cornish and nobody could understand lol[/p][/quote]Lol, yes, and you have to call them Madame chair![/p][/quote]lol meerkats

7:31pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Blimey Gill don't think they have room to congregate, looks like there is only room for one and a half people on each bench, they could have done with more near the bus stops, and they made all that fuss about not having a bus shelter because its a conservation area then they go and stick a load of wonky benches around.
Blimey Gill don't think they have room to congregate, looks like there is only room for one and a half people on each bench, they could have done with more near the bus stops, and they made all that fuss about not having a bus shelter because its a conservation area then they go and stick a load of wonky benches around. Rainbow over Helston

7:47pm Fri 10 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Do we know if all the benches are as rubbish as the one pictured.
Do we know if all the benches are as rubbish as the one pictured. ronedgcumbe

7:54pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Do we know if all the benches are as rubbish as the one pictured.
All the benches are the same, well at least all the ones I saw in town, have not looked down the bowling green.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Do we know if all the benches are as rubbish as the one pictured.[/p][/quote]All the benches are the same, well at least all the ones I saw in town, have not looked down the bowling green. Gillian Zella Martin 09

8:21pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Do we know if all the benches are as rubbish as the one pictured.
The more I look at those benches, the more I think you need to join the council!

Where was the conservation officer when this design was chosen? The same conservation officer that refused to allow the wall by the Trengrouse Toilets be removed!
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Do we know if all the benches are as rubbish as the one pictured.[/p][/quote]The more I look at those benches, the more I think you need to join the council! Where was the conservation officer when this design was chosen? The same conservation officer that refused to allow the wall by the Trengrouse Toilets be removed! Gillian Zella Martin 09

9:00pm Fri 10 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

So I make that around £230 per wonky bench which is a disgrace. How on earth has this been allowed to happen.
So I make that around £230 per wonky bench which is a disgrace. How on earth has this been allowed to happen. ronedgcumbe

9:33pm Fri 10 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Do we know if all the benches are as rubbish as the one pictured.
The more I look at those benches, the more I think you need to join the council!

Where was the conservation officer when this design was chosen? The same conservation officer that refused to allow the wall by the Trengrouse Toilets be removed!
Thanks Gill I will find out what's happened with the vacancy on hbc.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Do we know if all the benches are as rubbish as the one pictured.[/p][/quote]The more I look at those benches, the more I think you need to join the council! Where was the conservation officer when this design was chosen? The same conservation officer that refused to allow the wall by the Trengrouse Toilets be removed![/p][/quote]Thanks Gill I will find out what's happened with the vacancy on hbc. ronedgcumbe

6:29am Sat 11 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
So I make that around £230 per wonky bench which is a disgrace. How on earth has this been allowed to happen.
230 per bench would in my view seem a lot, particularly as they have bulk purchased, I paid 280 for a really nice quality white painted bench with a back and arms to it, ready assembled and delivered from Trevena Cross Nurseries.
It does not take much just to bolt them to the ground in the manner in which they have been.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: So I make that around £230 per wonky bench which is a disgrace. How on earth has this been allowed to happen.[/p][/quote]230 per bench would in my view seem a lot, particularly as they have bulk purchased, I paid 280 for a really nice quality white painted bench with a back and arms to it, ready assembled and delivered from Trevena Cross Nurseries. It does not take much just to bolt them to the ground in the manner in which they have been. Gillian Zella Martin 09

6:42am Sat 11 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

So, I have had a look. They look ridiculous, and are totally out of sorts. Another great purchase by the HTC!
So, I have had a look. They look ridiculous, and are totally out of sorts. Another great purchase by the HTC! Geo Helston

7:26am Sat 11 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I bet people end up standing on them on Flora Day, to get a higher view point from the back of the pavement! If the design was different that would not happen.
I bet people end up standing on them on Flora Day, to get a higher view point from the back of the pavement! If the design was different that would not happen. Gillian Zella Martin 09

9:04am Sat 11 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I bet people end up standing on them on Flora Day, to get a higher view point from the back of the pavement! If the design was different that would not happen.
I would also see people falling of them because they are 'following the natural topography'.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I bet people end up standing on them on Flora Day, to get a higher view point from the back of the pavement! If the design was different that would not happen.[/p][/quote]I would also see people falling of them because they are 'following the natural topography'. Geo Helston

9:04am Sat 11 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

Geo Helston wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I bet people end up standing on them on Flora Day, to get a higher view point from the back of the pavement! If the design was different that would not happen.
I would also see people falling of them because they are 'following the natural topography'.
that's OFF them.. oops
[quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I bet people end up standing on them on Flora Day, to get a higher view point from the back of the pavement! If the design was different that would not happen.[/p][/quote]I would also see people falling of them because they are 'following the natural topography'.[/p][/quote]that's OFF them.. oops Geo Helston

9:11am Sat 11 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Geo Helston wrote:
Geo Helston wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I bet people end up standing on them on Flora Day, to get a higher view point from the back of the pavement! If the design was different that would not happen.
I would also see people falling of them because they are 'following the natural topography'.
that's OFF them.. oops
Yes, I wondered if people would roll off them! Where do we sue?
[quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I bet people end up standing on them on Flora Day, to get a higher view point from the back of the pavement! If the design was different that would not happen.[/p][/quote]I would also see people falling of them because they are 'following the natural topography'.[/p][/quote]that's OFF them.. oops[/p][/quote]Yes, I wondered if people would roll off them! Where do we sue? Gillian Zella Martin 09

9:44am Sat 11 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

That bench outside the job centre is right outside the door, so if one came out, forgot it was there and turned immediately right they could fall over it!
I actually walked into a bench in Coronation Park!
That bench outside the job centre is right outside the door, so if one came out, forgot it was there and turned immediately right they could fall over it! I actually walked into a bench in Coronation Park! Gillian Zella Martin 09

10:01am Sat 11 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

They may come in handy if someone wanted to tie there shoelaces or had some plants they had for sale but seriously they could have got a decent second hand van for that sort of money.
A serious attempt should be made to get our money back.
I do hope the tc is not again decending to a laughing stock.
They may come in handy if someone wanted to tie there shoelaces or had some plants they had for sale but seriously they could have got a decent second hand van for that sort of money. A serious attempt should be made to get our money back. I do hope the tc is not again decending to a laughing stock. ronedgcumbe

10:38am Sat 11 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

In the Packet it shows a decent bench outside Coronation Park and states it is one of the new benches. So it appears to me as if they have sited all decent benches around the outskirts of the town and small space saving ones in the town centre, however, I do not believe that levelling them in the town centre would be detrimental to anyone's safety. In my view it is ridiculous to have them sloping to the degree that they are.
In the Packet it shows a decent bench outside Coronation Park and states it is one of the new benches. So it appears to me as if they have sited all decent benches around the outskirts of the town and small space saving ones in the town centre, however, I do not believe that levelling them in the town centre would be detrimental to anyone's safety. In my view it is ridiculous to have them sloping to the degree that they are. Gillian Zella Martin 09

11:11am Sat 11 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I have been informed by a Dr that worked at the Royal National College for the Blind, by not levelling the benches and having them black in colour does not necessarily aid all the visually impaired, (as claimed by the town council, in the article) in essence, there are many different types of VI and they can all have different requirements with regards to colour and level. His personal opinion is that this non-levelling of the benches is more to do with money saving!
I have been informed by a Dr that worked at the Royal National College for the Blind, by not levelling the benches and having them black in colour does not necessarily aid all the visually impaired, (as claimed by the town council, in the article) in essence, there are many different types of VI and they can all have different requirements with regards to colour and level. His personal opinion is that this non-levelling of the benches is more to do with money saving! Gillian Zella Martin 09

2:28pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?
I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston? Rainbow over Helston

4:19pm Sat 11 Jan 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?
Think you're confusing a few different responsibilities there.

I've just been and looked at one up close - didnt realise they were plastic!
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?[/p][/quote]Think you're confusing a few different responsibilities there. I've just been and looked at one up close - didnt realise they were plastic! krazyitchkatie

5:20pm Sat 11 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Rainbow over Helston wrote:
I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?
Think you're confusing a few different responsibilities there.

I've just been and looked at one up close - didnt realise they were plastic!
Not really as it is the tc that finances the hbip so at the end of alll this they are responsible.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?[/p][/quote]Think you're confusing a few different responsibilities there. I've just been and looked at one up close - didnt realise they were plastic![/p][/quote]Not really as it is the tc that finances the hbip so at the end of alll this they are responsible. ronedgcumbe

6:06pm Sat 11 Jan 14

krazyitchkatie says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
Rainbow over Helston wrote:
I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?
Think you're confusing a few different responsibilities there.

I've just been and looked at one up close - didnt realise they were plastic!
Not really as it is the tc that finances the hbip so at the end of alll this they are responsible.
I don't think you can even limit council issues to Cornwall! Tis pretty pandemic in my opinion :-(
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?[/p][/quote]Think you're confusing a few different responsibilities there. I've just been and looked at one up close - didnt realise they were plastic![/p][/quote]Not really as it is the tc that finances the hbip so at the end of alll this they are responsible.[/p][/quote]I don't think you can even limit council issues to Cornwall! Tis pretty pandemic in my opinion :-( krazyitchkatie

6:27pm Sat 11 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Maybe but in Helston it seem to have become almost farcical.
Maybe but in Helston it seem to have become almost farcical. ronedgcumbe

7:01pm Sat 11 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

At least with these wonky benches at last someone has accepted responsibility.
At least with these wonky benches at last someone has accepted responsibility. ronedgcumbe

7:32pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
At least with these wonky benches at last someone has accepted responsibility.
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with Helston Town Council, they have a very hard working efficient Town Clerk and excellent leadership from Jonathan Radford-Gaby, with three additional very good Councillors, what more does one want! I believe they are also now the proud owner of several aesthetically sloping benches, an imaginary van and lots of associated paid staff!
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: At least with these wonky benches at last someone has accepted responsibility.[/p][/quote]In my opinion there is nothing wrong with Helston Town Council, they have a very hard working efficient Town Clerk and excellent leadership from Jonathan Radford-Gaby, with three additional very good Councillors, what more does one want! I believe they are also now the proud owner of several aesthetically sloping benches, an imaginary van and lots of associated paid staff! Gillian Zella Martin 09

7:33pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
At least with these wonky benches at last someone has accepted responsibility.
Who has accepted responsibility Ron?
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: At least with these wonky benches at last someone has accepted responsibility.[/p][/quote]Who has accepted responsibility Ron? Gillian Zella Martin 09

7:34pm Sat 11 Jan 14

TheOriginaDelboy says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?
It is normal practice for councils to receive money from supermarkets when they expand or build new stores. Personally I see it as a bribe, but one that is commonly accepted throughout the country.

It is generally up to the council what the money is spent on but I believe the money Helston TC received come with many stipulations before it is allowed to be spent. One of those stipulations was that a town manager must be in place before money is spent.

Therefore there was no choice but to employ one. As with any job, if one person is deemed not suitable or leaves the post, a replacement must be sought. Hence there has currently been two town managers, not really "lots", but one more that perfect.

The regeneration officer was employed by the council presumably because they do not have anyone with enough experience from within to spend the money in the manner required by the supermarkets agreements. There has been just one regeneration officer who remains, in post.

There is a BID officer who has been recently employed by the HBIP who are partly financed by the TC. This person has the designated task of performing a BID consultation and potentially taking Helston into a BID district, where the town centre businesses voluntarily pay additional business rates but take control of where the rates are spent (which otherwise could be London or anywhere else) whereas, currently we have no input at all. Truro, Falmouth, Penzance , Camborne and St.Austall all are BID districts.

There are no project managers, only one assistant.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?[/p][/quote]It is normal practice for councils to receive money from supermarkets when they expand or build new stores. Personally I see it as a bribe, but one that is commonly accepted throughout the country. It is generally up to the council what the money is spent on but I believe the money Helston TC received come with many stipulations before it is allowed to be spent. One of those stipulations was that a town manager must be in place before money is spent. Therefore there was no choice but to employ one. As with any job, if one person is deemed not suitable or leaves the post, a replacement must be sought. Hence there has currently been two town managers, not really "lots", but one more that perfect. The regeneration officer was employed by the council presumably because they do not have anyone with enough experience from within to spend the money in the manner required by the supermarkets agreements. There has been just one regeneration officer who remains, in post. There is a BID officer who has been recently employed by the HBIP who are partly financed by the TC. This person has the designated task of performing a BID consultation and potentially taking Helston into a BID district, where the town centre businesses voluntarily pay additional business rates but take control of where the rates are spent (which otherwise could be London or anywhere else) whereas, currently we have no input at all. Truro, Falmouth, Penzance , Camborne and St.Austall all are BID districts. There are no project managers, only one assistant. TheOriginaDelboy

7:48pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

TheOriginaDelboy wrote:
Rainbow over Helston wrote:
I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?
It is normal practice for councils to receive money from supermarkets when they expand or build new stores. Personally I see it as a bribe, but one that is commonly accepted throughout the country.

It is generally up to the council what the money is spent on but I believe the money Helston TC received come with many stipulations before it is allowed to be spent. One of those stipulations was that a town manager must be in place before money is spent.

Therefore there was no choice but to employ one. As with any job, if one person is deemed not suitable or leaves the post, a replacement must be sought. Hence there has currently been two town managers, not really "lots", but one more that perfect.

The regeneration officer was employed by the council presumably because they do not have anyone with enough experience from within to spend the money in the manner required by the supermarkets agreements. There has been just one regeneration officer who remains, in post.

There is a BID officer who has been recently employed by the HBIP who are partly financed by the TC. This person has the designated task of performing a BID consultation and potentially taking Helston into a BID district, where the town centre businesses voluntarily pay additional business rates but take control of where the rates are spent (which otherwise could be London or anywhere else) whereas, currently we have no input at all. Truro, Falmouth, Penzance , Camborne and St.Austall all are BID districts.

There are no project managers, only one assistant.
Delboy, the Town Council should update the website because it does state Mrs Boxer is a Town Manager 'project assistant'.

I have to disagree with you, the town council I believe were not obliged to have a town manager originally as part of the 106 agreement at the initial planning stages, in fact they had a presentation by a town manager from Newquay I believe, to encourage them that a town manager would be a good idea and to promote the benefits. When the first town manger left they were then obliged to replace him, otherwise by that stage they would have lost the money allocated for a town manager.
[quote][p][bold]TheOriginaDelboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?[/p][/quote]It is normal practice for councils to receive money from supermarkets when they expand or build new stores. Personally I see it as a bribe, but one that is commonly accepted throughout the country. It is generally up to the council what the money is spent on but I believe the money Helston TC received come with many stipulations before it is allowed to be spent. One of those stipulations was that a town manager must be in place before money is spent. Therefore there was no choice but to employ one. As with any job, if one person is deemed not suitable or leaves the post, a replacement must be sought. Hence there has currently been two town managers, not really "lots", but one more that perfect. The regeneration officer was employed by the council presumably because they do not have anyone with enough experience from within to spend the money in the manner required by the supermarkets agreements. There has been just one regeneration officer who remains, in post. There is a BID officer who has been recently employed by the HBIP who are partly financed by the TC. This person has the designated task of performing a BID consultation and potentially taking Helston into a BID district, where the town centre businesses voluntarily pay additional business rates but take control of where the rates are spent (which otherwise could be London or anywhere else) whereas, currently we have no input at all. Truro, Falmouth, Penzance , Camborne and St.Austall all are BID districts. There are no project managers, only one assistant.[/p][/quote]Delboy, the Town Council should update the website because it does state Mrs Boxer is a Town Manager 'project assistant'. I have to disagree with you, the town council I believe were not obliged to have a town manager originally as part of the 106 agreement at the initial planning stages, in fact they had a presentation by a town manager from Newquay I believe, to encourage them that a town manager would be a good idea and to promote the benefits. When the first town manger left they were then obliged to replace him, otherwise by that stage they would have lost the money allocated for a town manager. Gillian Zella Martin 09

7:54pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Here is the missing 'a' out of one of the first town manager in my post.
Here is the missing 'a' out of one of the first town manager in my post. Gillian Zella Martin 09

8:04pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Incidentally, I am completely in favour of Helston submitting an application to obtain BID status and have been right from the start. Helston would have so much to gain from this if they can achieve it, Camborne has benefitted enormously from having BID status and Falmouth.
Incidentally, I am completely in favour of Helston submitting an application to obtain BID status and have been right from the start. Helston would have so much to gain from this if they can achieve it, Camborne has benefitted enormously from having BID status and Falmouth. Gillian Zella Martin 09

8:10pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
Rainbow over Helston wrote:
I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?
Think you're confusing a few different responsibilities there.

I've just been and looked at one up close - didnt realise they were plastic!
Not really as it is the tc that finances the hbip so at the end of alll this they are responsible.
I don't think you can even limit council issues to Cornwall! Tis pretty pandemic in my opinion :-(
In my view Cornwall Council compares favourably to many other counties, particularly given the fact we fair unfavourably in government funding.
Local town and parish councils in my view are doing their best to cope with limited budgets and ever increasing responsibilities being passed on to them.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?[/p][/quote]Think you're confusing a few different responsibilities there. I've just been and looked at one up close - didnt realise they were plastic![/p][/quote]Not really as it is the tc that finances the hbip so at the end of alll this they are responsible.[/p][/quote]I don't think you can even limit council issues to Cornwall! Tis pretty pandemic in my opinion :-([/p][/quote]In my view Cornwall Council compares favourably to many other counties, particularly given the fact we fair unfavourably in government funding. Local town and parish councils in my view are doing their best to cope with limited budgets and ever increasing responsibilities being passed on to them. Gillian Zella Martin 09

8:30pm Sat 11 Jan 14

meerkats says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Rainbow over Helston wrote:
I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?
Think you're confusing a few different responsibilities there.

I've just been and looked at one up close - didnt realise they were plastic!
Plastic, that may upset some isnt there a slogan ditch plastic and make Helston fantastic lol. (i know it is carrier bags )
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?[/p][/quote]Think you're confusing a few different responsibilities there. I've just been and looked at one up close - didnt realise they were plastic![/p][/quote]Plastic, that may upset some isnt there a slogan ditch plastic and make Helston fantastic lol. (i know it is carrier bags ) meerkats

6:43am Sun 12 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

Slightly off topic, but how does the score rating work? I have read some amazing posts on here which are factual and score around -5?? Yet, some posts appear to be purely down to speculation. Do people have a problem with the facts, a lack of understanding of just a bias??
Anyway, like many sites I have been on, this kind of score rating is not worth the pixels it is displayed on.
Slightly off topic, but how does the score rating work? I have read some amazing posts on here which are factual and score around -5?? Yet, some posts appear to be purely down to speculation. Do people have a problem with the facts, a lack of understanding of just a bias?? Anyway, like many sites I have been on, this kind of score rating is not worth the pixels it is displayed on. Geo Helston

6:45am Sun 12 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

meerkats wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
Rainbow over Helston wrote:
I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?
Think you're confusing a few different responsibilities there.

I've just been and looked at one up close - didnt realise they were plastic!
Plastic, that may upset some isnt there a slogan ditch plastic and make Helston fantastic lol. (i know it is carrier bags )
Too right, plus its not really in keeping with the towns rustic aesthetic is it. They are kiddy benches..
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: I think Helston TC is going down a slippery slope with some of these new Cllrs ideas, and some people question why i think Cornwall is strange, well Helston, is this normal practice for a TC to have thousands of pounds from supermarkets and then spend it on hanging baskets and wonky benches? along with lots of town managers and regeneration officers and BID officers and project managers and whatever else the latest posh name is for them all. Does this sort of thing happen all over Cornwall or just in Helston?[/p][/quote]Think you're confusing a few different responsibilities there. I've just been and looked at one up close - didnt realise they were plastic![/p][/quote]Plastic, that may upset some isnt there a slogan ditch plastic and make Helston fantastic lol. (i know it is carrier bags )[/p][/quote]Too right, plus its not really in keeping with the towns rustic aesthetic is it. They are kiddy benches.. Geo Helston

7:24am Sun 12 Jan 14

Helston Observer says...

I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there.

And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place.
I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there. And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place. Helston Observer

7:33am Sun 12 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Geo Helston wrote:
Slightly off topic, but how does the score rating work? I have read some amazing posts on here which are factual and score around -5?? Yet, some posts appear to be purely down to speculation. Do people have a problem with the facts, a lack of understanding of just a bias??
Anyway, like many sites I have been on, this kind of score rating is not worth the pixels it is displayed on.
I do not take any notice of the scoring, I am in favour of the HBIP and I think the Town Council generally speaking does a good job, but every time I ever say anything positive about Helston it has always received lots of thumbs down and ended up with a low minus score. I have on many occasions just stated facts and it still receives lots of minus points, do not let it bother you I don't :) if I do not agree with someone I will always say why I do not agree I will not just press thumbs down, I would rather have an honest debate, and do not expect people to agree with me.
[quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: Slightly off topic, but how does the score rating work? I have read some amazing posts on here which are factual and score around -5?? Yet, some posts appear to be purely down to speculation. Do people have a problem with the facts, a lack of understanding of just a bias?? Anyway, like many sites I have been on, this kind of score rating is not worth the pixels it is displayed on.[/p][/quote]I do not take any notice of the scoring, I am in favour of the HBIP and I think the Town Council generally speaking does a good job, but every time I ever say anything positive about Helston it has always received lots of thumbs down and ended up with a low minus score. I have on many occasions just stated facts and it still receives lots of minus points, do not let it bother you I don't :) if I do not agree with someone I will always say why I do not agree I will not just press thumbs down, I would rather have an honest debate, and do not expect people to agree with me. Gillian Zella Martin 09

7:36am Sun 12 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Geo Helston wrote:
Slightly off topic, but how does the score rating work? I have read some amazing posts on here which are factual and score around -5?? Yet, some posts appear to be purely down to speculation. Do people have a problem with the facts, a lack of understanding of just a bias??
Anyway, like many sites I have been on, this kind of score rating is not worth the pixels it is displayed on.
Incidentally, if someone puts 'I believe' or 'in my opinion' it does not necessarily mean they are not sure or it is not factual, it is purely a legality.
[quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: Slightly off topic, but how does the score rating work? I have read some amazing posts on here which are factual and score around -5?? Yet, some posts appear to be purely down to speculation. Do people have a problem with the facts, a lack of understanding of just a bias?? Anyway, like many sites I have been on, this kind of score rating is not worth the pixels it is displayed on.[/p][/quote]Incidentally, if someone puts 'I believe' or 'in my opinion' it does not necessarily mean they are not sure or it is not factual, it is purely a legality. Gillian Zella Martin 09

7:53am Sun 12 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Helston Observer wrote:
I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there.

And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place.
I am not criticising the Town Council at all, I have always supported them, mostly as a lone voice and to my detriment on here I might add, I just happen to think that to do a job like providing benches around town which is an excellent addition, it would have been better to have them level.
[quote][p][bold]Helston Observer[/bold] wrote: I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there. And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place.[/p][/quote]I am not criticising the Town Council at all, I have always supported them, mostly as a lone voice and to my detriment on here I might add, I just happen to think that to do a job like providing benches around town which is an excellent addition, it would have been better to have them level. Gillian Zella Martin 09

8:46am Sun 12 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Helston Observer wrote:
I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there.

And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place.
Incidentally, with complete respect, I think you are confusing some light hearted banter with criticism, well, as far as meerkats and I are concerned anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Helston Observer[/bold] wrote: I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there. And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place.[/p][/quote]Incidentally, with complete respect, I think you are confusing some light hearted banter with criticism, well, as far as meerkats and I are concerned anyway. Gillian Zella Martin 09

9:23am Sun 12 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Certainly comes to something when you cant mention that some benches look wonky and out of place without getting insulted.
Actualy Gill is completly right the then town council was indeed was indeed sold the idea of a tcm at a presentation they was arranged for them and as far as I know both supermarkets have stated that any clause as to how the money was spent never existed. The decision to employ all these people was the town councils.
More benches around the town is an excellent idea just a shame they are not in keeping with the town and level.
Certainly comes to something when you cant mention that some benches look wonky and out of place without getting insulted. Actualy Gill is completly right the then town council was indeed was indeed sold the idea of a tcm at a presentation they was arranged for them and as far as I know both supermarkets have stated that any clause as to how the money was spent never existed. The decision to employ all these people was the town councils. More benches around the town is an excellent idea just a shame they are not in keeping with the town and level. ronedgcumbe

9:28am Sun 12 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Helston Observer, on the one hand you seem to be criticising people like Gill and Ron, meerkats and myself etc for saying what we think is wrong with the benches and you seem to be saying the tc is good etc and we should be grateful they got the money, yet it was you that said o
n the other article that a couple of the new cllrs were not much good and one was as much use as a chocolate firegaurd and was too concerned with political correctness, so i think you are giving out mixed messages. It looks to me that you can criticise cllrs, but people like Gill and mee
rkats and myself cannot joke about the benches or make any critical points. l live in Helston for the moment
Helston Observer, on the one hand you seem to be criticising people like Gill and Ron, meerkats and myself etc for saying what we think is wrong with the benches and you seem to be saying the tc is good etc and we should be grateful they got the money, yet it was you that said o n the other article that a couple of the new cllrs were not much good and one was as much use as a chocolate firegaurd and was too concerned with political correctness, so i think you are giving out mixed messages. It looks to me that you can criticise cllrs, but people like Gill and mee rkats and myself cannot joke about the benches or make any critical points. l live in Helston for the moment Rainbow over Helston

9:38am Sun 12 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Sorry phone seems awkward today.
Also sorry if my post appear negative they are however generally correct.
Sorry phone seems awkward today. Also sorry if my post appear negative they are however generally correct. ronedgcumbe

1:08pm Sun 12 Jan 14

meerkats says...

Helston Observer wrote:
I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there.

And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place.
I do not decry the efforts of HTC ,and have praised both them and the HBIP on many occasions and think they work hard for the town, There is nothing wrong with light hearted banter ,i said on a previous comment that the benches look odd but will probably be well used , my last two comments were of a jokey nature, well i thought so anyway as did Gill who replied in a jokey way too. Life is too short to take everything seriously.
[quote][p][bold]Helston Observer[/bold] wrote: I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there. And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place.[/p][/quote]I do not decry the efforts of HTC ,and have praised both them and the HBIP on many occasions and think they work hard for the town, There is nothing wrong with light hearted banter ,i said on a previous comment that the benches look odd but will probably be well used , my last two comments were of a jokey nature, well i thought so anyway as did Gill who replied in a jokey way too. Life is too short to take everything seriously. meerkats

1:42pm Sun 12 Jan 14

krazyitchkatie says...

It would alter my perception of the benches if they are fully recycled but then it would emphasise the fact that if the type of bench/material etc was well considered, then it is such a shame the placement seems so ill considered.
It is obviously an issue of cost, for the levelling, but as a case in point, the one outside the job centre should be two foot to the left so you could lean back against the stone wall instead of blocking the window vent, in front of the letter box and too close to the door.
It would alter my perception of the benches if they are fully recycled but then it would emphasise the fact that if the type of bench/material etc was well considered, then it is such a shame the placement seems so ill considered. It is obviously an issue of cost, for the levelling, but as a case in point, the one outside the job centre should be two foot to the left so you could lean back against the stone wall instead of blocking the window vent, in front of the letter box and too close to the door. krazyitchkatie

2:05pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I said in a previous post I thought one was too close to the door of the job centre. I suspect they do not want to encourage people to get too comfortable because it could encourage loitering/ drinking etc in the evenings. I think being plastic has the advantage that they dry quickly as opposed to wooden ones remaining damp long after it has stopped raining. With regards to the cost of levelling, personally I would have opted for less benches and had them levelled. They will all no doubt be well used though, not least so by my elderly mother.
I said in a previous post I thought one was too close to the door of the job centre. I suspect they do not want to encourage people to get too comfortable because it could encourage loitering/ drinking etc in the evenings. I think being plastic has the advantage that they dry quickly as opposed to wooden ones remaining damp long after it has stopped raining. With regards to the cost of levelling, personally I would have opted for less benches and had them levelled. They will all no doubt be well used though, not least so by my elderly mother. Gillian Zella Martin 09

2:33pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Oh come on, the packet supply a picture like that with the article and people are are expected to have no sense of humour or point out the obvious critical aspects, have a laugh. And with all the insults Gill has endured on here in the past with new user names keep coming up and telling her she is stupid etc to support the tc and she must be thick if she thinks they do a good job,etc makes me wonder why she bothers supporting them because they dont seem worth it to me. I agree meerkats life is too short to take everything seriously and i love your sense of humour, i worked with Gill years ago and she had a quick sense of humour to. I know it would bother her if she thought she hurt anyones feelings.
Oh come on, the packet supply a picture like that with the article and people are are expected to have no sense of humour or point out the obvious critical aspects, have a laugh. And with all the insults Gill has endured on here in the past with new user names keep coming up and telling her she is stupid etc to support the tc and she must be thick if she thinks they do a good job,etc makes me wonder why she bothers supporting them because they dont seem worth it to me. I agree meerkats life is too short to take everything seriously and i love your sense of humour, i worked with Gill years ago and she had a quick sense of humour to. I know it would bother her if she thought she hurt anyones feelings. Rainbow over Helston

2:46pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Just wondering if Helston Observer is the new user name for Ken Helston if so Gill had better watch out judging by the insults Ron has got. Also wonder if Geo Helston is telstar because he mentioned the scoring, only just surmising.
Just wondering if Helston Observer is the new user name for Ken Helston if so Gill had better watch out judging by the insults Ron has got. Also wonder if Geo Helston is telstar because he mentioned the scoring, only just surmising. Rainbow over Helston

3:20pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I think you are wrong Rainbow.
I think you are wrong Rainbow. Gillian Zella Martin 09

5:12pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

I hav'nt seen you for years Gill but would recognise certain things about you still and here we are again now on a website disagreeing, i think you are wrong so we will have to agree to disagree but i think you will end being insulted by Helston Observer.

With the business of not having enough money to level the benches, if that is right then i think that shouldn't be the case with all the money they had and still have, they should get their priorities in order.
I hav'nt seen you for years Gill but would recognise certain things about you still and here we are again now on a website disagreeing, i think you are wrong so we will have to agree to disagree but i think you will end being insulted by Helston Observer. With the business of not having enough money to level the benches, if that is right then i think that shouldn't be the case with all the money they had and still have, they should get their priorities in order. Rainbow over Helston

10:08pm Sun 12 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

Geo Helston wrote:
Slightly off topic, but how does the score rating work? I have read some amazing posts on here which are factual and score around -5?? Yet, some posts appear to be purely down to speculation. Do people have a problem with the facts, a lack of understanding of just a bias??
Anyway, like many sites I have been on, this kind of score rating is not worth the pixels it is displayed on.
How do you know they are facts! Or a lack of understanding ! Or speculation! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their own vote, and don't forget many people read and vote but don't comment. As for being biased, I know meerkats and Gill are not biased about anyone, and Gill knows Delboy and I know she is not biased against him, she would just say what she believes is right at the time, she is never biased about anyone, and if she knows she is wrong about anything she will admit it, and if she is proven wrong she will apologise.

As for the bench, it looks fine to me, you just couldn't put your orange down on it I suppose, when you're eating your lunch!

Have to say, given the record of verbal abuse in the recent past from username 'PR Helston' and 'Ken Helston' directed at Gill, I personally wouldn't have chosen a user name like yours :)
[quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: Slightly off topic, but how does the score rating work? I have read some amazing posts on here which are factual and score around -5?? Yet, some posts appear to be purely down to speculation. Do people have a problem with the facts, a lack of understanding of just a bias?? Anyway, like many sites I have been on, this kind of score rating is not worth the pixels it is displayed on.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are facts! Or a lack of understanding ! Or speculation! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their own vote, and don't forget many people read and vote but don't comment. As for being biased, I know meerkats and Gill are not biased about anyone, and Gill knows Delboy and I know she is not biased against him, she would just say what she believes is right at the time, she is never biased about anyone, and if she knows she is wrong about anything she will admit it, and if she is proven wrong she will apologise. As for the bench, it looks fine to me, you just couldn't put your orange down on it I suppose, when you're eating your lunch! Have to say, given the record of verbal abuse in the recent past from username 'PR Helston' and 'Ken Helston' directed at Gill, I personally wouldn't have chosen a user name like yours :) DCI Jen

7:49am Mon 13 Jan 14

petergg says...

no matter what Helston town council do, you get the normal numpteys on here complaining

followed by the usual,expert one or two sensible people giving their useful contribution
no matter what Helston town council do, you get the normal numpteys on here complaining followed by the usual,expert one or two sensible people giving their useful contribution petergg

11:09am Mon 13 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Told you, you would get insulted Gill, see you are a numptey Gill.
Told you, you would get insulted Gill, see you are a numptey Gill. Rainbow over Helston

12:18pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
Just wondering if Helston Observer is the new user name for Ken Helston if so Gill had better watch out judging by the insults Ron has got. Also wonder if Geo Helston is telstar because he mentioned the scoring, only just surmising.
Haha.. No, I am a Geologist who lives in Helston. I thought Geo Helston was a nice name.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: Just wondering if Helston Observer is the new user name for Ken Helston if so Gill had better watch out judging by the insults Ron has got. Also wonder if Geo Helston is telstar because he mentioned the scoring, only just surmising.[/p][/quote]Haha.. No, I am a Geologist who lives in Helston. I thought Geo Helston was a nice name. Geo Helston

12:42pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

DCI Jen wrote:
Geo Helston wrote:
Slightly off topic, but how does the score rating work? I have read some amazing posts on here which are factual and score around -5?? Yet, some posts appear to be purely down to speculation. Do people have a problem with the facts, a lack of understanding of just a bias??
Anyway, like many sites I have been on, this kind of score rating is not worth the pixels it is displayed on.
How do you know they are facts! Or a lack of understanding ! Or speculation! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their own vote, and don't forget many people read and vote but don't comment. As for being biased, I know meerkats and Gill are not biased about anyone, and Gill knows Delboy and I know she is not biased against him, she would just say what she believes is right at the time, she is never biased about anyone, and if she knows she is wrong about anything she will admit it, and if she is proven wrong she will apologise.

As for the bench, it looks fine to me, you just couldn't put your orange down on it I suppose, when you're eating your lunch!

Have to say, given the record of verbal abuse in the recent past from username 'PR Helston' and 'Ken Helston' directed at Gill, I personally wouldn't have chosen a user name like yours :)
Because facts can be supported with evidence. I suppose DCI does not have anything to do with being a detective!! ;)

My question was not necessarily directed at the comments on this article, but I noticed over many articles that some comments say the same thing in different ways. Some of these comments score highly yet others score negatively.

How can that be? One answer is Bias. Basically, no matter what they say they will always attract a negative rating where some commenters always get a positive rating when they say the same thing as the negative comment. However, I should not that GZM is a good benchmark for this, as she has scored highly, while at the same time scored negatively, which would go against the biased opinion. (unless of course the bias is not with the person, but the persons beliefs, such as GZM liking the HTC).

Another possible interpretation can be with the lack of understanding. This is in no way derogatory, but sometimes the way people write things can easily be misunderstood and attract a negative rating.

Anyway, I am way of topic..
[quote][p][bold]DCI Jen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: Slightly off topic, but how does the score rating work? I have read some amazing posts on here which are factual and score around -5?? Yet, some posts appear to be purely down to speculation. Do people have a problem with the facts, a lack of understanding of just a bias?? Anyway, like many sites I have been on, this kind of score rating is not worth the pixels it is displayed on.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are facts! Or a lack of understanding ! Or speculation! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their own vote, and don't forget many people read and vote but don't comment. As for being biased, I know meerkats and Gill are not biased about anyone, and Gill knows Delboy and I know she is not biased against him, she would just say what she believes is right at the time, she is never biased about anyone, and if she knows she is wrong about anything she will admit it, and if she is proven wrong she will apologise. As for the bench, it looks fine to me, you just couldn't put your orange down on it I suppose, when you're eating your lunch! Have to say, given the record of verbal abuse in the recent past from username 'PR Helston' and 'Ken Helston' directed at Gill, I personally wouldn't have chosen a user name like yours :)[/p][/quote]Because facts can be supported with evidence. I suppose DCI does not have anything to do with being a detective!! ;) My question was not necessarily directed at the comments on this article, but I noticed over many articles that some comments say the same thing in different ways. Some of these comments score highly yet others score negatively. How can that be? One answer is Bias. Basically, no matter what they say they will always attract a negative rating where some commenters always get a positive rating when they say the same thing as the negative comment. However, I should not that GZM is a good benchmark for this, as she has scored highly, while at the same time scored negatively, which would go against the biased opinion. (unless of course the bias is not with the person, but the persons beliefs, such as GZM liking the HTC). Another possible interpretation can be with the lack of understanding. This is in no way derogatory, but sometimes the way people write things can easily be misunderstood and attract a negative rating. Anyway, I am way of topic.. Geo Helston

1:39pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Just for the record, yes I am in favour of the HBIP as I am the Town Council, and have very often stood as a lone voice on here with regards to appreciating the two organisations, I have taken a lot of flak/insults as the minority on here in the past for standing by what I believe, with my score rating going as low as -40 at one time. I am never personally biased towards any contributors. My sense of humour is probably often misinterpreted as being negative.
To clarify on the above subject, I fully support the town council, I have suggested benches in the past, I am appreciative of the benches, I do however disagree with the amenities committee on Helston Town Council that having them un-level and black assists those with visual impairment, as stated in the article, having obtained a professional opinion on this with which substantiate my claim, I have forwarded my information to Helston Town Council. There is in essence no set one rule regarding VI, there are varying types of VI and what may assist one may hinder or not assist another. One should not categorise and try to lump all VI as one thing.
Just for the record, yes I am in favour of the HBIP as I am the Town Council, and have very often stood as a lone voice on here with regards to appreciating the two organisations, I have taken a lot of flak/insults as the minority on here in the past for standing by what I believe, with my score rating going as low as -40 at one time. I am never personally biased towards any contributors. My sense of humour is probably often misinterpreted as being negative. To clarify on the above subject, I fully support the town council, I have suggested benches in the past, I am appreciative of the benches, I do however disagree with the amenities committee on Helston Town Council that having them un-level and black assists those with visual impairment, as stated in the article, having obtained a professional opinion on this with which substantiate my claim, I have forwarded my information to Helston Town Council. There is in essence no set one rule regarding VI, there are varying types of VI and what may assist one may hinder or not assist another. One should not categorise and try to lump all VI as one thing. Gillian Zella Martin 09

1:45pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
Just for the record, yes I am in favour of the HBIP as I am the Town Council, and have very often stood as a lone voice on here with regards to appreciating the two organisations, I have taken a lot of flak/insults as the minority on here in the past for standing by what I believe, with my score rating going as low as -40 at one time. I am never personally biased towards any contributors. My sense of humour is probably often misinterpreted as being negative.
To clarify on the above subject, I fully support the town council, I have suggested benches in the past, I am appreciative of the benches, I do however disagree with the amenities committee on Helston Town Council that having them un-level and black assists those with visual impairment, as stated in the article, having obtained a professional opinion on this with which substantiate my claim, I have forwarded my information to Helston Town Council. There is in essence no set one rule regarding VI, there are varying types of VI and what may assist one may hinder or not assist another. One should not categorise and try to lump all VI as one thing.
Let us know what the TC say about the information you provide. However, my opinion on the matter is that helping the VI is merely a loose justification for not making them level. I am a little surprised, as I would have thought the HTC would have done what you have Gill, and obtained the opinions of an expert if they are doing to use this as a justification.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: Just for the record, yes I am in favour of the HBIP as I am the Town Council, and have very often stood as a lone voice on here with regards to appreciating the two organisations, I have taken a lot of flak/insults as the minority on here in the past for standing by what I believe, with my score rating going as low as -40 at one time. I am never personally biased towards any contributors. My sense of humour is probably often misinterpreted as being negative. To clarify on the above subject, I fully support the town council, I have suggested benches in the past, I am appreciative of the benches, I do however disagree with the amenities committee on Helston Town Council that having them un-level and black assists those with visual impairment, as stated in the article, having obtained a professional opinion on this with which substantiate my claim, I have forwarded my information to Helston Town Council. There is in essence no set one rule regarding VI, there are varying types of VI and what may assist one may hinder or not assist another. One should not categorise and try to lump all VI as one thing.[/p][/quote]Let us know what the TC say about the information you provide. However, my opinion on the matter is that helping the VI is merely a loose justification for not making them level. I am a little surprised, as I would have thought the HTC would have done what you have Gill, and obtained the opinions of an expert if they are doing to use this as a justification. Geo Helston

1:46pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

apologies Gill, I was not aware you were on the Council.
apologies Gill, I was not aware you were on the Council. Geo Helston

1:47pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Geo Helston wrote:
apologies Gill, I was not aware you were on the Council.
I am not. What gave you that idea lol?
[quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: apologies Gill, I was not aware you were on the Council.[/p][/quote]I am not. What gave you that idea lol? Gillian Zella Martin 09

2:06pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
Geo Helston wrote:
apologies Gill, I was not aware you were on the Council.
I am not. What gave you that idea lol?
Oh, sorry. It was this-

"Just for the record, yes I am in favour of the HBIP as I am the Town Council"

Mind you, I am not sure how one person can be the town council. ha ha.. Sorry Gill, I am all over the place today with man flu!
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: apologies Gill, I was not aware you were on the Council.[/p][/quote]I am not. What gave you that idea lol?[/p][/quote]Oh, sorry. It was this- "Just for the record, yes I am in favour of the HBIP as I am the Town Council" Mind you, I am not sure how one person can be the town council. ha ha.. Sorry Gill, I am all over the place today with man flu! Geo Helston

3:35pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Geo Helston wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
Geo Helston wrote:
apologies Gill, I was not aware you were on the Council.
I am not. What gave you that idea lol?
Oh, sorry. It was this-

"Just for the record, yes I am in favour of the HBIP as I am the Town Council"

Mind you, I am not sure how one person can be the town council. ha ha.. Sorry Gill, I am all over the place today with man flu!
Ha ha, that has given me a good laugh, that really appeals to my sense of humour, you can see how things can be so easily misinterpreted on here.
Unfortunately although I am quite good at multi tasking I cannot be a whole council, and unfortunately I cannot even stand for council (election) as I live outside the boundary limit.
[quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: apologies Gill, I was not aware you were on the Council.[/p][/quote]I am not. What gave you that idea lol?[/p][/quote]Oh, sorry. It was this- "Just for the record, yes I am in favour of the HBIP as I am the Town Council" Mind you, I am not sure how one person can be the town council. ha ha.. Sorry Gill, I am all over the place today with man flu![/p][/quote]Ha ha, that has given me a good laugh, that really appeals to my sense of humour, you can see how things can be so easily misinterpreted on here. Unfortunately although I am quite good at multi tasking I cannot be a whole council, and unfortunately I cannot even stand for council (election) as I live outside the boundary limit. Gillian Zella Martin 09

6:17pm Mon 13 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

Geo Helston wrote:
DCI Jen wrote:
Geo Helston wrote:
Slightly off topic, but how does the score rating work? I have read some amazing posts on here which are factual and score around -5?? Yet, some posts appear to be purely down to speculation. Do people have a problem with the facts, a lack of understanding of just a bias??
Anyway, like many sites I have been on, this kind of score rating is not worth the pixels it is displayed on.
How do you know they are facts! Or a lack of understanding ! Or speculation! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their own vote, and don't forget many people read and vote but don't comment. As for being biased, I know meerkats and Gill are not biased about anyone, and Gill knows Delboy and I know she is not biased against him, she would just say what she believes is right at the time, she is never biased about anyone, and if she knows she is wrong about anything she will admit it, and if she is proven wrong she will apologise.

As for the bench, it looks fine to me, you just couldn't put your orange down on it I suppose, when you're eating your lunch!

Have to say, given the record of verbal abuse in the recent past from username 'PR Helston' and 'Ken Helston' directed at Gill, I personally wouldn't have chosen a user name like yours :)
Because facts can be supported with evidence. I suppose DCI does not have anything to do with being a detective!! ;)

My question was not necessarily directed at the comments on this article, but I noticed over many articles that some comments say the same thing in different ways. Some of these comments score highly yet others score negatively.

How can that be? One answer is Bias. Basically, no matter what they say they will always attract a negative rating where some commenters always get a positive rating when they say the same thing as the negative comment. However, I should not that GZM is a good benchmark for this, as she has scored highly, while at the same time scored negatively, which would go against the biased opinion. (unless of course the bias is not with the person, but the persons beliefs, such as GZM liking the HTC).

Another possible interpretation can be with the lack of understanding. This is in no way derogatory, but sometimes the way people write things can easily be misunderstood and attract a negative rating.

Anyway, I am way of topic..
Oh yeah, I see what you mean, good points you have made. From experience anything Helston, regarding praising the BIP or the council receives minus points, Gill has in the past received minus points and (verbal abuse sometimes) every time she said anything positive about the BIP or town council and I happen to know she wouldn't say anything she didn't mean, if she believes something is right or wrong she won't let point scoring alter her opinion she stands by it. The same happened when Cornwall Cllrs took a slating on here, she backed them up because she believed what she was saying was right and she didn't back down just because of points scoring or comments slating her. She just stands by what she believes in. I don't always agree with her but then that's because I am right and she is wrong :)
[quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCI Jen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: Slightly off topic, but how does the score rating work? I have read some amazing posts on here which are factual and score around -5?? Yet, some posts appear to be purely down to speculation. Do people have a problem with the facts, a lack of understanding of just a bias?? Anyway, like many sites I have been on, this kind of score rating is not worth the pixels it is displayed on.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are facts! Or a lack of understanding ! Or speculation! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their own vote, and don't forget many people read and vote but don't comment. As for being biased, I know meerkats and Gill are not biased about anyone, and Gill knows Delboy and I know she is not biased against him, she would just say what she believes is right at the time, she is never biased about anyone, and if she knows she is wrong about anything she will admit it, and if she is proven wrong she will apologise. As for the bench, it looks fine to me, you just couldn't put your orange down on it I suppose, when you're eating your lunch! Have to say, given the record of verbal abuse in the recent past from username 'PR Helston' and 'Ken Helston' directed at Gill, I personally wouldn't have chosen a user name like yours :)[/p][/quote]Because facts can be supported with evidence. I suppose DCI does not have anything to do with being a detective!! ;) My question was not necessarily directed at the comments on this article, but I noticed over many articles that some comments say the same thing in different ways. Some of these comments score highly yet others score negatively. How can that be? One answer is Bias. Basically, no matter what they say they will always attract a negative rating where some commenters always get a positive rating when they say the same thing as the negative comment. However, I should not that GZM is a good benchmark for this, as she has scored highly, while at the same time scored negatively, which would go against the biased opinion. (unless of course the bias is not with the person, but the persons beliefs, such as GZM liking the HTC). Another possible interpretation can be with the lack of understanding. This is in no way derogatory, but sometimes the way people write things can easily be misunderstood and attract a negative rating. Anyway, I am way of topic..[/p][/quote]Oh yeah, I see what you mean, good points you have made. From experience anything Helston, regarding praising the BIP or the council receives minus points, Gill has in the past received minus points and (verbal abuse sometimes) every time she said anything positive about the BIP or town council and I happen to know she wouldn't say anything she didn't mean, if she believes something is right or wrong she won't let point scoring alter her opinion she stands by it. The same happened when Cornwall Cllrs took a slating on here, she backed them up because she believed what she was saying was right and she didn't back down just because of points scoring or comments slating her. She just stands by what she believes in. I don't always agree with her but then that's because I am right and she is wrong :) DCI Jen

6:34pm Mon 13 Jan 14

petergg says...

things can easily be misinterpreted on here, youre right

I never called Gill a numpty, and who cares what score you get on here, and then writes three pages about it ?

the seats are really good,specially when youre old and have to walk up the hill to get home
things can easily be misinterpreted on here, youre right I never called Gill a numpty, and who cares what score you get on here, and then writes three pages about it ? the seats are really good,specially when youre old and have to walk up the hill to get home petergg

6:38pm Mon 13 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

Helston Observer wrote:
I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there.

And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place.
Agreed. Ron has on this website in the past I think, said something along the lines of "Helston should be taken back by Helstonians" and when Gill challenged him asking him what he meant he failed to reply. She wasn't the only one asking for an explaination either. I don't think Prejuduce has any place on a council.
[quote][p][bold]Helston Observer[/bold] wrote: I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there. And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Ron has on this website in the past I think, said something along the lines of "Helston should be taken back by Helstonians" and when Gill challenged him asking him what he meant he failed to reply. She wasn't the only one asking for an explaination either. I don't think Prejuduce has any place on a council. DCI Jen

6:58pm Mon 13 Jan 14

meerkats says...

DCI Jen wrote:
Helston Observer wrote:
I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there.

And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place.
Agreed. Ron has on this website in the past I think, said something along the lines of "Helston should be taken back by Helstonians" and when Gill challenged him asking him what he meant he failed to reply. She wasn't the only one asking for an explaination either. I don't think Prejuduce has any place on a council.
Nice to see you commenting again DCI Jen
[quote][p][bold]DCI Jen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston Observer[/bold] wrote: I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there. And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Ron has on this website in the past I think, said something along the lines of "Helston should be taken back by Helstonians" and when Gill challenged him asking him what he meant he failed to reply. She wasn't the only one asking for an explaination either. I don't think Prejuduce has any place on a council.[/p][/quote]Nice to see you commenting again DCI Jen meerkats

7:04pm Mon 13 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

meerkats wrote:
DCI Jen wrote:
Helston Observer wrote:
I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there.

And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place.
Agreed. Ron has on this website in the past I think, said something along the lines of "Helston should be taken back by Helstonians" and when Gill challenged him asking him what he meant he failed to reply. She wasn't the only one asking for an explaination either. I don't think Prejuduce has any place on a council.
Nice to see you commenting again DCI Jen
Thank you meerkats, it's all down to time and location !! Good thing the benches are bolted down they look car boot size!!!!
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCI Jen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston Observer[/bold] wrote: I've had a look at the benches, they do look slightly odd not being level, but they're made from recycled plastic bottles, i believe, and they are presumably maintenance free, and i think they might bring people into the town, you can after all sit on the which is what they were intended for. I think people like Ron are naturally negative, it doesn't matter what HTC do, they will always be wrong in the eyes of people like that. I think there is a vacancy on the HTC at the moment, lets hope he doesnt stand and get elected, or God help HTC with someone like that there. And I do know that they did have to employ a town centre manager to start with or the money would have had to go back to the supermarkets. Going back a few years, when the planning for the supermarkets went in, there was no guarantee that the money was going to come to Helston anyway, even though the supermarkets were here, it could have gone to another town, and it was HTC who negotiated that. So before some on here are so quick to decry the efforts of the council, just cast minds back to who we have to thank for the fact that Helston ever had the money in the first place.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Ron has on this website in the past I think, said something along the lines of "Helston should be taken back by Helstonians" and when Gill challenged him asking him what he meant he failed to reply. She wasn't the only one asking for an explaination either. I don't think Prejuduce has any place on a council.[/p][/quote]Nice to see you commenting again DCI Jen[/p][/quote]Thank you meerkats, it's all down to time and location !! Good thing the benches are bolted down they look car boot size!!!! DCI Jen

7:07pm Mon 13 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

petergg wrote:
things can easily be misinterpreted on here, youre right

I never called Gill a numpty, and who cares what score you get on here, and then writes three pages about it ?

the seats are really good,specially when youre old and have to walk up the hill to get home
I'm well confused, who wrote 3 pages about point scoring? I know Gill wouldn't care about point scoring. I need to get updated with this website I think. You are right about the benches my nan likes them.
[quote][p][bold]petergg[/bold] wrote: things can easily be misinterpreted on here, youre right I never called Gill a numpty, and who cares what score you get on here, and then writes three pages about it ? the seats are really good,specially when youre old and have to walk up the hill to get home[/p][/quote]I'm well confused, who wrote 3 pages about point scoring? I know Gill wouldn't care about point scoring. I need to get updated with this website I think. You are right about the benches my nan likes them. DCI Jen

10:21pm Mon 13 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Sorry phone seems awkward today.
Also sorry if my post appear negative they are however generally correct.
I have now had time to read all the posts on here, how can you say your posts are generally correct? They might be what you believe but that doesn't necessarily make them correct. You said more than once on this website the mayor was a weak leader- wrong, (Packet archives are a brilliant source of reference) I think that was your minority opinion. You said once on this website all the Cllrs should stand down- wrong, why should they, that was only your opinion. You said once on this website Delboys place was pricey- wrong- that was your opinion, your opinions do not necessarily make you correct. Can you see a pattern forming here! I agree with Helston Observer.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Sorry phone seems awkward today. Also sorry if my post appear negative they are however generally correct.[/p][/quote]I have now had time to read all the posts on here, how can you say your posts are generally correct? They might be what you believe but that doesn't necessarily make them correct. You said more than once on this website the mayor was a weak leader- wrong, (Packet archives are a brilliant source of reference) I think that was your minority opinion. You said once on this website all the Cllrs should stand down- wrong, why should they, that was only your opinion. You said once on this website Delboys place was pricey- wrong- that was your opinion, your opinions do not necessarily make you correct. Can you see a pattern forming here! I agree with Helston Observer. DCI Jen

3:20pm Tue 14 Jan 14

meerkats says...

Never thought that some wonky plastic benches would attract 80 + comments !! lol I agree with DCI Jen re ronedgecumbe's comments being generally correct , we all have our opinions on things but it doesnt mean we are right .
Never thought that some wonky plastic benches would attract 80 + comments !! lol I agree with DCI Jen re ronedgecumbe's comments being generally correct , we all have our opinions on things but it doesnt mean we are right . meerkats

4:38pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

I agree with you meerkats, what i can't understand with ronedgcumbe is that he criticises things/people like i might do but then if someone critices him he stops commenting, i wouldnt care who critises me it wouldnt stop me commenting because if you really believe you are right then why not stand up for yourself or stand up for the point you are making and to prove you are right but perhaps that is just me because i am hot headed. I sat on a bench today and it seemed ok but very wonky lol
I agree with you meerkats, what i can't understand with ronedgcumbe is that he criticises things/people like i might do but then if someone critices him he stops commenting, i wouldnt care who critises me it wouldnt stop me commenting because if you really believe you are right then why not stand up for yourself or stand up for the point you are making and to prove you are right but perhaps that is just me because i am hot headed. I sat on a bench today and it seemed ok but very wonky lol Rainbow over Helston

4:46pm Tue 14 Jan 14

krazyitchkatie says...

One of the benches (outside MacKays) looks bowed already?
One of the benches (outside MacKays) looks bowed already? krazyitchkatie

5:07pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I believe if the benches are not levelled they will be prone to distortion of shape, because weight distribution will likely be uneven on a long term basis, this would be because the majority of people will choose to sit on the most level point of the seat, and additionally they may sit in positions that compensate for the descent of the bench.
I believe if the benches are not levelled they will be prone to distortion of shape, because weight distribution will likely be uneven on a long term basis, this would be because the majority of people will choose to sit on the most level point of the seat, and additionally they may sit in positions that compensate for the descent of the bench. Gillian Zella Martin 09

5:55pm Tue 14 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

meerkats wrote:
Never thought that some wonky plastic benches would attract 80 + comments !! lol I agree with DCI Jen re ronedgecumbe's comments being generally correct , we all have our opinions on things but it doesnt mean we are right .
Thanks meerkats, I just thought it a little silly of Ron to say his comments are generally correct, firstly I doubt they are, and secondly even if they were, boasting is not a good attribute I don't think, especially if he wants to join the council, I can't think that anyone would want to work with someone who boasts or thinks they are generally correct all the time in what they say.
I think the benches are great, being black they won't show the dirt.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: Never thought that some wonky plastic benches would attract 80 + comments !! lol I agree with DCI Jen re ronedgecumbe's comments being generally correct , we all have our opinions on things but it doesnt mean we are right .[/p][/quote]Thanks meerkats, I just thought it a little silly of Ron to say his comments are generally correct, firstly I doubt they are, and secondly even if they were, boasting is not a good attribute I don't think, especially if he wants to join the council, I can't think that anyone would want to work with someone who boasts or thinks they are generally correct all the time in what they say. I think the benches are great, being black they won't show the dirt. DCI Jen

6:00pm Tue 14 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
I agree with you meerkats, what i can't understand with ronedgcumbe is that he criticises things/people like i might do but then if someone critices him he stops commenting, i wouldnt care who critises me it wouldnt stop me commenting because if you really believe you are right then why not stand up for yourself or stand up for the point you are making and to prove you are right but perhaps that is just me because i am hot headed. I sat on a bench today and it seemed ok but very wonky lol
Never stated my opinions are correct they are simply my opinions. What I mean by my comments being generally correct in this occasion refers to my statement about the 106 money and the fact as I believe from my recollection that it was the TC who decided to go and employ all these people.
Maybe I should of said my statement are usually correct my opinions are simply my own.
I often do not reply to people who are negative as my comments may get taken out of context and may on occasion miss some posts.
I have no intention of stopping comments but usually comment most at weekends.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: I agree with you meerkats, what i can't understand with ronedgcumbe is that he criticises things/people like i might do but then if someone critices him he stops commenting, i wouldnt care who critises me it wouldnt stop me commenting because if you really believe you are right then why not stand up for yourself or stand up for the point you are making and to prove you are right but perhaps that is just me because i am hot headed. I sat on a bench today and it seemed ok but very wonky lol[/p][/quote]Never stated my opinions are correct they are simply my opinions. What I mean by my comments being generally correct in this occasion refers to my statement about the 106 money and the fact as I believe from my recollection that it was the TC who decided to go and employ all these people. Maybe I should of said my statement are usually correct my opinions are simply my own. I often do not reply to people who are negative as my comments may get taken out of context and may on occasion miss some posts. I have no intention of stopping comments but usually comment most at weekends. ronedgcumbe

6:38pm Tue 14 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Sorry phone seems awkward today.
Also sorry if my post appear negative they are however generally correct.
Sorry to be precise Ron, but this was your comment and when you say your posts are generally correct. I took that to mean your statements and opinions because your posts are a selection of statements and opinions. My main point was your statement about the 106 money and the council employing people was that I think you will find your statement was wrong and Delboys was right and Helston Observer was right about the money.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Sorry phone seems awkward today. Also sorry if my post appear negative they are however generally correct.[/p][/quote]Sorry to be precise Ron, but this was your comment and when you say your posts are generally correct. I took that to mean your statements and opinions because your posts are a selection of statements and opinions. My main point was your statement about the 106 money and the council employing people was that I think you will find your statement was wrong and Delboys was right and Helston Observer was right about the money. DCI Jen

7:01pm Tue 14 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

We will have to agree to disagree on this. I clearly remember the tc having the presentation. Other towns in reciept of 106 have not been restrictions imposed.
We will have to agree to disagree on this. I clearly remember the tc having the presentation. Other towns in reciept of 106 have not been restrictions imposed. ronedgcumbe

8:23pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I believe In 2010 the Town Councillors were given a talk from Mr Guy Thomas the town centre manager from Newquay, this was to explain the benefits of having a town centre manager. A percentage of the section 106 money had already been earmarked for that employment purpose. Helston clearly benefitted from having a TCM as he initiated the HBIP which in its own right has done wonders for Helston, following through from that, hopefully they will eventually gain Business Improvement District status. One cannot expect voluntary Councillors, most of whom probably have other work commitments, to necessarily have the time or experience to fulfil their role as councillor and take on the role of an officer employed for a specific purpose.
Helston Town Council and the HBIP have moved Helston forward in its quest to survive. The money earmarked now for public realm work will be used for improvements within the town. None of this money is tax payers money it is all section 106 money gifted to the council by Tesco and Sainsbury's, and as such, in my view, the council has the prerogative to spend it as they see fit, the fact that they are liaising with public I believe should be appreciated.
I personally have seen and acknowledged the improvements and additions made within Helston by both the HBIP and the Town Council.

If Helston gains BID status it will in my view be nothing but beneficial for the town, businesses contribute financially which provides the core funding, this in turn can be used to attract additional funding which could not otherwise be applied for.

The benches are a excellent addition to the town, I just believe the council needs to introduce a 'snagging period' during which time snags can be identified and rectified.
I believe In 2010 the Town Councillors were given a talk from Mr Guy Thomas the town centre manager from Newquay, this was to explain the benefits of having a town centre manager. A percentage of the section 106 money had already been earmarked for that employment purpose. Helston clearly benefitted from having a TCM as he initiated the HBIP which in its own right has done wonders for Helston, following through from that, hopefully they will eventually gain Business Improvement District status. One cannot expect voluntary Councillors, most of whom probably have other work commitments, to necessarily have the time or experience to fulfil their role as councillor and take on the role of an officer employed for a specific purpose. Helston Town Council and the HBIP have moved Helston forward in its quest to survive. The money earmarked now for public realm work will be used for improvements within the town. None of this money is tax payers money it is all section 106 money gifted to the council by Tesco and Sainsbury's, and as such, in my view, the council has the prerogative to spend it as they see fit, the fact that they are liaising with public I believe should be appreciated. I personally have seen and acknowledged the improvements and additions made within Helston by both the HBIP and the Town Council. If Helston gains BID status it will in my view be nothing but beneficial for the town, businesses contribute financially which provides the core funding, this in turn can be used to attract additional funding which could not otherwise be applied for. The benches are a excellent addition to the town, I just believe the council needs to introduce a 'snagging period' during which time snags can be identified and rectified. Gillian Zella Martin 09

9:07pm Tue 14 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Thanks Gill I agree it was indeed the town council money to spend as they chose.
Thanks Gill I agree it was indeed the town council money to spend as they chose. ronedgcumbe

9:39pm Tue 14 Jan 14

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I believe In 2010 the Town Councillors were given a talk from Mr Guy Thomas the town centre manager from Newquay, this was to explain the benefits of having a town centre manager. A percentage of the section 106 money had already been earmarked for that employment purpose. Helston clearly benefitted from having a TCM as he initiated the HBIP which in its own right has done wonders for Helston, following through from that, hopefully they will eventually gain Business Improvement District status. One cannot expect voluntary Councillors, most of whom probably have other work commitments, to necessarily have the time or experience to fulfil their role as councillor and take on the role of an officer employed for a specific purpose.
Helston Town Council and the HBIP have moved Helston forward in its quest to survive. The money earmarked now for public realm work will be used for improvements within the town. None of this money is tax payers money it is all section 106 money gifted to the council by Tesco and Sainsbury's, and as such, in my view, the council has the prerogative to spend it as they see fit, the fact that they are liaising with public I believe should be appreciated.
I personally have seen and acknowledged the improvements and additions made within Helston by both the HBIP and the Town Council.

If Helston gains BID status it will in my view be nothing but beneficial for the town, businesses contribute financially which provides the core funding, this in turn can be used to attract additional funding which could not otherwise be applied for.

The benches are a excellent addition to the town, I just believe the council needs to introduce a 'snagging period' during which time snags can be identified and rectified.
A very good informative comment once again Gill, re the benches do you mean snagging or sagging period ? lol (it seems one appears bowed already}
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I believe In 2010 the Town Councillors were given a talk from Mr Guy Thomas the town centre manager from Newquay, this was to explain the benefits of having a town centre manager. A percentage of the section 106 money had already been earmarked for that employment purpose. Helston clearly benefitted from having a TCM as he initiated the HBIP which in its own right has done wonders for Helston, following through from that, hopefully they will eventually gain Business Improvement District status. One cannot expect voluntary Councillors, most of whom probably have other work commitments, to necessarily have the time or experience to fulfil their role as councillor and take on the role of an officer employed for a specific purpose. Helston Town Council and the HBIP have moved Helston forward in its quest to survive. The money earmarked now for public realm work will be used for improvements within the town. None of this money is tax payers money it is all section 106 money gifted to the council by Tesco and Sainsbury's, and as such, in my view, the council has the prerogative to spend it as they see fit, the fact that they are liaising with public I believe should be appreciated. I personally have seen and acknowledged the improvements and additions made within Helston by both the HBIP and the Town Council. If Helston gains BID status it will in my view be nothing but beneficial for the town, businesses contribute financially which provides the core funding, this in turn can be used to attract additional funding which could not otherwise be applied for. The benches are a excellent addition to the town, I just believe the council needs to introduce a 'snagging period' during which time snags can be identified and rectified.[/p][/quote]A very good informative comment once again Gill, re the benches do you mean snagging or sagging period ? lol (it seems one appears bowed already} meerkats

9:53pm Tue 14 Jan 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Perfect summation GZM :-)
Perfect summation GZM :-) krazyitchkatie

6:40am Wed 15 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
I believe In 2010 the Town Councillors were given a talk from Mr Guy Thomas the town centre manager from Newquay, this was to explain the benefits of having a town centre manager. A percentage of the section 106 money had already been earmarked for that employment purpose. Helston clearly benefitted from having a TCM as he initiated the HBIP which in its own right has done wonders for Helston, following through from that, hopefully they will eventually gain Business Improvement District status. One cannot expect voluntary Councillors, most of whom probably have other work commitments, to necessarily have the time or experience to fulfil their role as councillor and take on the role of an officer employed for a specific purpose.
Helston Town Council and the HBIP have moved Helston forward in its quest to survive. The money earmarked now for public realm work will be used for improvements within the town. None of this money is tax payers money it is all section 106 money gifted to the council by Tesco and Sainsbury's, and as such, in my view, the council has the prerogative to spend it as they see fit, the fact that they are liaising with public I believe should be appreciated.
I personally have seen and acknowledged the improvements and additions made within Helston by both the HBIP and the Town Council.

If Helston gains BID status it will in my view be nothing but beneficial for the town, businesses contribute financially which provides the core funding, this in turn can be used to attract additional funding which could not otherwise be applied for.

The benches are a excellent addition to the town, I just believe the council needs to introduce a 'snagging period' during which time snags can be identified and rectified.
It would have been nice if due diligence is carried out whenever the TC spend any money.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: I believe In 2010 the Town Councillors were given a talk from Mr Guy Thomas the town centre manager from Newquay, this was to explain the benefits of having a town centre manager. A percentage of the section 106 money had already been earmarked for that employment purpose. Helston clearly benefitted from having a TCM as he initiated the HBIP which in its own right has done wonders for Helston, following through from that, hopefully they will eventually gain Business Improvement District status. One cannot expect voluntary Councillors, most of whom probably have other work commitments, to necessarily have the time or experience to fulfil their role as councillor and take on the role of an officer employed for a specific purpose. Helston Town Council and the HBIP have moved Helston forward in its quest to survive. The money earmarked now for public realm work will be used for improvements within the town. None of this money is tax payers money it is all section 106 money gifted to the council by Tesco and Sainsbury's, and as such, in my view, the council has the prerogative to spend it as they see fit, the fact that they are liaising with public I believe should be appreciated. I personally have seen and acknowledged the improvements and additions made within Helston by both the HBIP and the Town Council. If Helston gains BID status it will in my view be nothing but beneficial for the town, businesses contribute financially which provides the core funding, this in turn can be used to attract additional funding which could not otherwise be applied for. The benches are a excellent addition to the town, I just believe the council needs to introduce a 'snagging period' during which time snags can be identified and rectified.[/p][/quote]It would have been nice if due diligence is carried out whenever the TC spend any money. Geo Helston

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