Is your favourite Helston takeaway or restaurant up to scratch?

Falmouth Packet: Is your favourite Helston takeaway or restaurant up to scratch? Is your favourite Helston takeaway or restaurant up to scratch?

OVER 100 food service providers in Helston and the Lizard achieved the highest possible rating in their last inspection by the Food Standards Agency.

Two thirds of the 170 premises visited, or 113 business, were rated as five, or very good.

However, the agency found 10 businesses which gave them cause for concern over hygiene, with two companies rated as two, or needing improvement, and a further eight rated as one, in need of major improvement, although there were none with the lowest rating, zero, which signifies urgent improvement is necessary.

A further five businesses were listed on the agency’s website as exempt, meaning they are a low risk business not primarily focused on providing food, or they are a childminder or a business offering catering services at home.

As should be expected, the catering facilities at Helston Community Hospital received the top rating, and almost all healthcare, childcare or other care premises such as day centres, received a four or a five, with just one receiving a three, signifying generally satisfactory.

The Food Standards Agency is a government department responsible for food safety and hygiene, which works with local authorities to enforce food safety regulations.

Its Food Hygiene Rating Scheme is based on inspection by a local authority food safety officer, and the regularity of visits varies from every six months up to every two years, depending on the type of business and the perceived level of risk.

Full restaurant ratings are available at the FSA website http://ratings.food.gov.uk.

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3:18pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

"Is your favourite Helston takeaway or restaurant up to scratch"

Well we do not really know because the article has not actually told us which ones scored high or low.
What I do know however, is that I have been eating a selection of food in the Coffee Bean for years with no ill effects and it has all been lovely. (I have on occasion also eaten in the open door cafe, Ruth's and Costa Coffee.) Even if hypothetically my favourite cafe scored low in the above survey it would not stop me patronising it because I make my own decisions.

How does this health and safety thing work anyway, what about organisations such as church's and the WI etc, if food is served, mostly it has been prepared in a variety of members kitchens has it not? So who would know what standards private kitchens uphold?
"Is your favourite Helston takeaway or restaurant up to scratch" Well we do not really know because the article has not actually told us which ones scored high or low. What I do know however, is that I have been eating a selection of food in the Coffee Bean for years with no ill effects and it has all been lovely. (I have on occasion also eaten in the open door cafe, Ruth's and Costa Coffee.) Even if hypothetically my favourite cafe scored low in the above survey it would not stop me patronising it because I make my own decisions. How does this health and safety thing work anyway, what about organisations such as church's and the WI etc, if food is served, mostly it has been prepared in a variety of members kitchens has it not? So who would know what standards private kitchens uphold? Gillian Zella Martin 09

4:24pm Thu 16 Jan 14

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
"Is your favourite Helston takeaway or restaurant up to scratch"

Well we do not really know because the article has not actually told us which ones scored high or low.
What I do know however, is that I have been eating a selection of food in the Coffee Bean for years with no ill effects and it has all been lovely. (I have on occasion also eaten in the open door cafe, Ruth's and Costa Coffee.) Even if hypothetically my favourite cafe scored low in the above survey it would not stop me patronising it because I make my own decisions.

How does this health and safety thing work anyway, what about organisations such as church's and the WI etc, if food is served, mostly it has been prepared in a variety of members kitchens has it not? So who would know what standards private kitchens uphold?
The Packet reported on Falmouth and Penryn takeaways and restaurants yesterday, and named them in the article, would have been nice if they did the same on this report.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: "Is your favourite Helston takeaway or restaurant up to scratch" Well we do not really know because the article has not actually told us which ones scored high or low. What I do know however, is that I have been eating a selection of food in the Coffee Bean for years with no ill effects and it has all been lovely. (I have on occasion also eaten in the open door cafe, Ruth's and Costa Coffee.) Even if hypothetically my favourite cafe scored low in the above survey it would not stop me patronising it because I make my own decisions. How does this health and safety thing work anyway, what about organisations such as church's and the WI etc, if food is served, mostly it has been prepared in a variety of members kitchens has it not? So who would know what standards private kitchens uphold?[/p][/quote]The Packet reported on Falmouth and Penryn takeaways and restaurants yesterday, and named them in the article, would have been nice if they did the same on this report. meerkats

4:47pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

meerkats wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
"Is your favourite Helston takeaway or restaurant up to scratch"

Well we do not really know because the article has not actually told us which ones scored high or low.
What I do know however, is that I have been eating a selection of food in the Coffee Bean for years with no ill effects and it has all been lovely. (I have on occasion also eaten in the open door cafe, Ruth's and Costa Coffee.) Even if hypothetically my favourite cafe scored low in the above survey it would not stop me patronising it because I make my own decisions.

How does this health and safety thing work anyway, what about organisations such as church's and the WI etc, if food is served, mostly it has been prepared in a variety of members kitchens has it not? So who would know what standards private kitchens uphold?
The Packet reported on Falmouth and Penryn takeaways and restaurants yesterday, and named them in the article, would have been nice if they did the same on this report.
Yes I read that article, perhaps the Packet does not have the names of the individual ones for Helston and the Lizard, it would be interesting to know.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: "Is your favourite Helston takeaway or restaurant up to scratch" Well we do not really know because the article has not actually told us which ones scored high or low. What I do know however, is that I have been eating a selection of food in the Coffee Bean for years with no ill effects and it has all been lovely. (I have on occasion also eaten in the open door cafe, Ruth's and Costa Coffee.) Even if hypothetically my favourite cafe scored low in the above survey it would not stop me patronising it because I make my own decisions. How does this health and safety thing work anyway, what about organisations such as church's and the WI etc, if food is served, mostly it has been prepared in a variety of members kitchens has it not? So who would know what standards private kitchens uphold?[/p][/quote]The Packet reported on Falmouth and Penryn takeaways and restaurants yesterday, and named them in the article, would have been nice if they did the same on this report.[/p][/quote]Yes I read that article, perhaps the Packet does not have the names of the individual ones for Helston and the Lizard, it would be interesting to know. Gillian Zella Martin 09

7:21pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Would you go in whatever cafe you happen to like meerkats if you knew it had a low hygene record? I wouldnt because even if they cleaned it up how long would it be before standards slipped again is what i would wonder, otherwise why wasnt it acceptable in the first place.
Would you go in whatever cafe you happen to like meerkats if you knew it had a low hygene record? I wouldnt because even if they cleaned it up how long would it be before standards slipped again is what i would wonder, otherwise why wasnt it acceptable in the first place. Rainbow over Helston

7:38pm Thu 16 Jan 14

meerkats says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
Would you go in whatever cafe you happen to like meerkats if you knew it had a low hygene record? I wouldnt because even if they cleaned it up how long would it be before standards slipped again is what i would wonder, otherwise why wasnt it acceptable in the first place.
i think i would only stop going if i knew for sure that a meal i had eaten there made me ill or if an eatery obviously looked dirty ,i wouldnt eat there or go again. Like Gill i have had meals at the Coffee Bean , The Open Door and also the Park Cafe at Horse and Jockey (which i visit most frequently ) and all the meals have been lovely.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: Would you go in whatever cafe you happen to like meerkats if you knew it had a low hygene record? I wouldnt because even if they cleaned it up how long would it be before standards slipped again is what i would wonder, otherwise why wasnt it acceptable in the first place.[/p][/quote]i think i would only stop going if i knew for sure that a meal i had eaten there made me ill or if an eatery obviously looked dirty ,i wouldnt eat there or go again. Like Gill i have had meals at the Coffee Bean , The Open Door and also the Park Cafe at Horse and Jockey (which i visit most frequently ) and all the meals have been lovely. meerkats

6:54am Fri 17 Jan 14

Geo Helston says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
meerkats wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
"Is your favourite Helston takeaway or restaurant up to scratch"

Well we do not really know because the article has not actually told us which ones scored high or low.
What I do know however, is that I have been eating a selection of food in the Coffee Bean for years with no ill effects and it has all been lovely. (I have on occasion also eaten in the open door cafe, Ruth's and Costa Coffee.) Even if hypothetically my favourite cafe scored low in the above survey it would not stop me patronising it because I make my own decisions.

How does this health and safety thing work anyway, what about organisations such as church's and the WI etc, if food is served, mostly it has been prepared in a variety of members kitchens has it not? So who would know what standards private kitchens uphold?
The Packet reported on Falmouth and Penryn takeaways and restaurants yesterday, and named them in the article, would have been nice if they did the same on this report.
Yes I read that article, perhaps the Packet does not have the names of the individual ones for Helston and the Lizard, it would be interesting to know.
They are here.. http://ratings.food.
gov.uk.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: "Is your favourite Helston takeaway or restaurant up to scratch" Well we do not really know because the article has not actually told us which ones scored high or low. What I do know however, is that I have been eating a selection of food in the Coffee Bean for years with no ill effects and it has all been lovely. (I have on occasion also eaten in the open door cafe, Ruth's and Costa Coffee.) Even if hypothetically my favourite cafe scored low in the above survey it would not stop me patronising it because I make my own decisions. How does this health and safety thing work anyway, what about organisations such as church's and the WI etc, if food is served, mostly it has been prepared in a variety of members kitchens has it not? So who would know what standards private kitchens uphold?[/p][/quote]The Packet reported on Falmouth and Penryn takeaways and restaurants yesterday, and named them in the article, would have been nice if they did the same on this report.[/p][/quote]Yes I read that article, perhaps the Packet does not have the names of the individual ones for Helston and the Lizard, it would be interesting to know.[/p][/quote]They are here.. http://ratings.food. gov.uk. Geo Helston

7:31am Fri 17 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Coffee Bean (my favourite) that I visit most frequently has highest rating 5, as does meerkats choice that she says visits most frequently. Costa Coffee scores 5 also.
Coffee Bean (my favourite) that I visit most frequently has highest rating 5, as does meerkats choice that she says visits most frequently. Costa Coffee scores 5 also. Gillian Zella Martin 09

3:24pm Fri 17 Jan 14

meerkats says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
Coffee Bean (my favourite) that I visit most frequently has highest rating 5, as does meerkats choice that she says visits most frequently. Costa Coffee scores 5 also.
Thanks Gill, not surprised as ' i have always had good meals there and the Coffee Bean so far.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: Coffee Bean (my favourite) that I visit most frequently has highest rating 5, as does meerkats choice that she says visits most frequently. Costa Coffee scores 5 also.[/p][/quote]Thanks Gill, not surprised as ' i have always had good meals there and the Coffee Bean so far. meerkats

3:26pm Fri 17 Jan 14

meerkats says...

Geo Helston wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
meerkats wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
"Is your favourite Helston takeaway or restaurant up to scratch"

Well we do not really know because the article has not actually told us which ones scored high or low.
What I do know however, is that I have been eating a selection of food in the Coffee Bean for years with no ill effects and it has all been lovely. (I have on occasion also eaten in the open door cafe, Ruth's and Costa Coffee.) Even if hypothetically my favourite cafe scored low in the above survey it would not stop me patronising it because I make my own decisions.

How does this health and safety thing work anyway, what about organisations such as church's and the WI etc, if food is served, mostly it has been prepared in a variety of members kitchens has it not? So who would know what standards private kitchens uphold?
The Packet reported on Falmouth and Penryn takeaways and restaurants yesterday, and named them in the article, would have been nice if they did the same on this report.
Yes I read that article, perhaps the Packet does not have the names of the individual ones for Helston and the Lizard, it would be interesting to know.
They are here.. http://ratings.food.

gov.uk.
I Know there is a link to check but for me timewise it would be easier if the Packet had printed them in the report ,but there is probably too many.
[quote][p][bold]Geo Helston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: "Is your favourite Helston takeaway or restaurant up to scratch" Well we do not really know because the article has not actually told us which ones scored high or low. What I do know however, is that I have been eating a selection of food in the Coffee Bean for years with no ill effects and it has all been lovely. (I have on occasion also eaten in the open door cafe, Ruth's and Costa Coffee.) Even if hypothetically my favourite cafe scored low in the above survey it would not stop me patronising it because I make my own decisions. How does this health and safety thing work anyway, what about organisations such as church's and the WI etc, if food is served, mostly it has been prepared in a variety of members kitchens has it not? So who would know what standards private kitchens uphold?[/p][/quote]The Packet reported on Falmouth and Penryn takeaways and restaurants yesterday, and named them in the article, would have been nice if they did the same on this report.[/p][/quote]Yes I read that article, perhaps the Packet does not have the names of the individual ones for Helston and the Lizard, it would be interesting to know.[/p][/quote]They are here.. http://ratings.food. gov.uk.[/p][/quote]I Know there is a link to check but for me timewise it would be easier if the Packet had printed them in the report ,but there is probably too many. meerkats

5:38pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

I think as far as Helston is concerned it is a pricing problem. The price of a simple pastie is shocking.
I think as far as Helston is concerned it is a pricing problem. The price of a simple pastie is shocking. ronedgcumbe

5:49pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think as far as Helston is concerned it is a pricing problem. The price of a simple pastie is shocking.
I do not think the pasties are any dearer than Falmouth etc, they vary slightly within the various bakers. I think a roast dinner in the Coffee Bean works out better value for money than a pasty, and you get to sit in and eat. I know that does help you though if you want a pasty!
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think as far as Helston is concerned it is a pricing problem. The price of a simple pastie is shocking.[/p][/quote]I do not think the pasties are any dearer than Falmouth etc, they vary slightly within the various bakers. I think a roast dinner in the Coffee Bean works out better value for money than a pasty, and you get to sit in and eat. I know that does help you though if you want a pasty! Gillian Zella Martin 09

6:19pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Sorry, last post should have said "I know that does 'not' help you if you want a pasty".

I think Helston has plenty of choice of bakers, takeaways, cafes and pubs etc for food, all of which I believe compare favourably or equally to other towns.
Sorry, last post should have said "I know that does 'not' help you if you want a pasty". I think Helston has plenty of choice of bakers, takeaways, cafes and pubs etc for food, all of which I believe compare favourably or equally to other towns. Gillian Zella Martin 09

6:49pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think as far as Helston is concerned it is a pricing problem. The price of a simple pastie is shocking.
I do not think the pasties are any dearer than Falmouth etc, they vary slightly within the various bakers. I think a roast dinner in the Coffee Bean works out better value for money than a pasty, and you get to sit in and eat. I know that does help you though if you want a pasty!
Thamks Gill good advice must try the coffee bean sometime but unfortunately no shopping in that area. But I have to say £ 3.80 for a pastie in Helson is disgusting especially as it is the town council that deterred competition.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think as far as Helston is concerned it is a pricing problem. The price of a simple pastie is shocking.[/p][/quote]I do not think the pasties are any dearer than Falmouth etc, they vary slightly within the various bakers. I think a roast dinner in the Coffee Bean works out better value for money than a pasty, and you get to sit in and eat. I know that does help you though if you want a pasty![/p][/quote]Thamks Gill good advice must try the coffee bean sometime but unfortunately no shopping in that area. But I have to say £ 3.80 for a pastie in Helson is disgusting especially as it is the town council that deterred competition. ronedgcumbe

7:11pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think as far as Helston is concerned it is a pricing problem. The price of a simple pastie is shocking.
I do not think the pasties are any dearer than Falmouth etc, they vary slightly within the various bakers. I think a roast dinner in the Coffee Bean works out better value for money than a pasty, and you get to sit in and eat. I know that does help you though if you want a pasty!
Thamks Gill good advice must try the coffee bean sometime but unfortunately no shopping in that area. But I have to say £ 3.80 for a pastie in Helson is disgusting especially as it is the town council that deterred competition.
The applicants for Hill Top withdrew their application before it went to Cornwall Councils planning committee, therefore the town council cannot be blamed. There is already competition within the town for pasties, had the one at Hill Top gone ahead and taken trade away from the town, due to size, free parking, drive through etc, it could have resulted in job losses or closed bakers within the town, there would then maybe have been little competition at Hill Top, they would have then been free to increase prices. All now hypothetical I know. The town council did in my view do the right thing in recommending refusal, because having invested 106 money into the town to offset negative affects of out of town supermarkets, it would have been contradictory to then allow another out of town large business with free parking that was not only going to sell pasties but also have a shop selling all local produce that the town sells.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think as far as Helston is concerned it is a pricing problem. The price of a simple pastie is shocking.[/p][/quote]I do not think the pasties are any dearer than Falmouth etc, they vary slightly within the various bakers. I think a roast dinner in the Coffee Bean works out better value for money than a pasty, and you get to sit in and eat. I know that does help you though if you want a pasty![/p][/quote]Thamks Gill good advice must try the coffee bean sometime but unfortunately no shopping in that area. But I have to say £ 3.80 for a pastie in Helson is disgusting especially as it is the town council that deterred competition.[/p][/quote]The applicants for Hill Top withdrew their application before it went to Cornwall Councils planning committee, therefore the town council cannot be blamed. There is already competition within the town for pasties, had the one at Hill Top gone ahead and taken trade away from the town, due to size, free parking, drive through etc, it could have resulted in job losses or closed bakers within the town, there would then maybe have been little competition at Hill Top, they would have then been free to increase prices. All now hypothetical I know. The town council did in my view do the right thing in recommending refusal, because having invested 106 money into the town to offset negative affects of out of town supermarkets, it would have been contradictory to then allow another out of town large business with free parking that was not only going to sell pasties but also have a shop selling all local produce that the town sells. Gillian Zella Martin 09

8:36pm Sat 18 Jan 14

meerkats says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think as far as Helston is concerned it is a pricing problem. The price of a simple pastie is shocking.
I do not think the pasties are any dearer than Falmouth etc, they vary slightly within the various bakers. I think a roast dinner in the Coffee Bean works out better value for money than a pasty, and you get to sit in and eat. I know that does help you though if you want a pasty!
Thamks Gill good advice must try the coffee bean sometime but unfortunately no shopping in that area. But I have to say £ 3.80 for a pastie in Helson is disgusting especially as it is the town council that deterred competition.
You were recently quoted by another commenter in saying that you thought the Coffee Bean is pricey now you say you may try it sometime . Pasties have increased in price and as Gill has said a roast dinner is better value but only if convenient at the time. As for your comment re the proposed Hilltop pasties, how do you know they would be any cheaper than the town anyway ? The TC did right in refusing them in the first place and i am glad the applicants decided not to proceed
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think as far as Helston is concerned it is a pricing problem. The price of a simple pastie is shocking.[/p][/quote]I do not think the pasties are any dearer than Falmouth etc, they vary slightly within the various bakers. I think a roast dinner in the Coffee Bean works out better value for money than a pasty, and you get to sit in and eat. I know that does help you though if you want a pasty![/p][/quote]Thamks Gill good advice must try the coffee bean sometime but unfortunately no shopping in that area. But I have to say £ 3.80 for a pastie in Helson is disgusting especially as it is the town council that deterred competition.[/p][/quote]You were recently quoted by another commenter in saying that you thought the Coffee Bean is pricey now you say you may try it sometime . Pasties have increased in price and as Gill has said a roast dinner is better value but only if convenient at the time. As for your comment re the proposed Hilltop pasties, how do you know they would be any cheaper than the town anyway ? The TC did right in refusing them in the first place and i am glad the applicants decided not to proceed meerkats

9:21pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town.
When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council
Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town. When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council ronedgcumbe

9:56pm Sat 18 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

This is really hilarious lol, Ron says Helston has a pricing problem and I think he infers its the town councils fault just because they didn't like the idea of a big pasty dealership up at the old Vauxhall garage, although the applicants changed their minds and pulled out anyway. Then Gill suggests he has a roast dinner instead! How does that help! (Agreed they are nice in the coffee bean, so are the breakfasts cos you can have what you like)

£3.80 might seem expensive for a pasty but I doubt they are any cheaper (if hot) anywhere else. I paid £5 for two small sausage rolls in Padstow, £2.50 each, they're having a laugh, then a seagull came down and nicked one.
I think they're ripping off the tourists in Padstow and I ain't no tourist.
At least Helston fairs well in the hygiene league.
Give the town council a break Ron it's not their fault the price of pasties has gone up, everything practically has gone up. At least there are plenty of benches to sit on now to eat your pasty. I think Gill is right in saying the town council made the right decision. On the day Ron actually says the council did something right, we could have a street party to celebrate. We wont invite Gill though cos she lives outside the 3 mile exclusion zone!.
This is really hilarious lol, Ron says Helston has a pricing problem and I think he infers its the town councils fault just because they didn't like the idea of a big pasty dealership up at the old Vauxhall garage, although the applicants changed their minds and pulled out anyway. Then Gill suggests he has a roast dinner instead! How does that help! (Agreed they are nice in the coffee bean, so are the breakfasts cos you can have what you like) £3.80 might seem expensive for a pasty but I doubt they are any cheaper (if hot) anywhere else. I paid £5 for two small sausage rolls in Padstow, £2.50 each, they're having a laugh, then a seagull came down and nicked one. I think they're ripping off the tourists in Padstow and I ain't no tourist. At least Helston fairs well in the hygiene league. Give the town council a break Ron it's not their fault the price of pasties has gone up, everything practically has gone up. At least there are plenty of benches to sit on now to eat your pasty. I think Gill is right in saying the town council made the right decision. On the day Ron actually says the council did something right, we could have a street party to celebrate. We wont invite Gill though cos she lives outside the 3 mile exclusion zone!. DCI Jen

10:06pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town.
When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council
I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston.
The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town. When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council[/p][/quote]I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston. The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion. Gillian Zella Martin 09

10:25pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Incidentally, it is the Town Council that have financially provided a person with the skills to take the town forward with the aim to achieve BID status. If this is successful Helston will then benefit in the same way Falmouth and other towns do, being a Business Improvement District.
I believe one has to look at the bigger picture to achieve long term success.
Incidentally, it is the Town Council that have financially provided a person with the skills to take the town forward with the aim to achieve BID status. If this is successful Helston will then benefit in the same way Falmouth and other towns do, being a Business Improvement District. I believe one has to look at the bigger picture to achieve long term success. Gillian Zella Martin 09

9:03am Sun 19 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town.
When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council
I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston.
The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion.
This is simply not true the town centre ia a shadow of its old self and continuea to decline. Constantly stating otherwise will not help the situation. The town councils negative attitude to anything other than small shops in the town centre has driven people to other town for many years.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town. When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council[/p][/quote]I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston. The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion.[/p][/quote]This is simply not true the town centre ia a shadow of its old self and continuea to decline. Constantly stating otherwise will not help the situation. The town councils negative attitude to anything other than small shops in the town centre has driven people to other town for many years. ronedgcumbe

9:34am Sun 19 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town.
When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council
I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston.
The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion.
Incidentally the town is nowhere near bid status and increasing business rates will prove disastrous in attracting retailers to the town. Copying towns like Camborne which ia far ahead of Helston is ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town. When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council[/p][/quote]I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston. The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Incidentally the town is nowhere near bid status and increasing business rates will prove disastrous in attracting retailers to the town. Copying towns like Camborne which ia far ahead of Helston is ridiculous. ronedgcumbe

9:39am Sun 19 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Sorry quoted wrong comment. Should have gone to specsaver. Come to think of it they are in Camborne as well.
Sorry quoted wrong comment. Should have gone to specsaver. Come to think of it they are in Camborne as well. ronedgcumbe

9:42am Sun 19 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town.
When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council
I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston.
The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion.
Incidentally the town is nowhere near bid status and increasing business rates will prove disastrous in attracting retailers to the town. Copying towns like Camborne which ia far ahead of Helston is ridiculous.
Of course the town is nowhere near BID status, they have only just employed someone qualified to take it to BID status, this obviously will take time, it is not like posting off a letter asking if it can become a business improvement district, a proper bid application has to be put forward. Increasing business rates provides a permanent core funding which can be used to attract additional ongoing funding, you only have to look at Falmouth, Camborne and all the other BID status towns to see the benefits, incidentally a majority of the businesses have to want this in order for it to happen, which they obviously do.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town. When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council[/p][/quote]I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston. The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Incidentally the town is nowhere near bid status and increasing business rates will prove disastrous in attracting retailers to the town. Copying towns like Camborne which ia far ahead of Helston is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Of course the town is nowhere near BID status, they have only just employed someone qualified to take it to BID status, this obviously will take time, it is not like posting off a letter asking if it can become a business improvement district, a proper bid application has to be put forward. Increasing business rates provides a permanent core funding which can be used to attract additional ongoing funding, you only have to look at Falmouth, Camborne and all the other BID status towns to see the benefits, incidentally a majority of the businesses have to want this in order for it to happen, which they obviously do. Gillian Zella Martin 09

9:44am Sun 19 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Sorry quoted wrong comment. Should have gone to specsaver. Come to think of it they are in Camborne as well.
Yes, and there are two perfectly good opticians in Helston, one of which I am registered with, and I am far from affluent.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Sorry quoted wrong comment. Should have gone to specsaver. Come to think of it they are in Camborne as well.[/p][/quote]Yes, and there are two perfectly good opticians in Helston, one of which I am registered with, and I am far from affluent. Gillian Zella Martin 09

9:52am Sun 19 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town.
When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council
I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston.
The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion.
This is simply not true the town centre ia a shadow of its old self and continuea to decline. Constantly stating otherwise will not help the situation. The town councils negative attitude to anything other than small shops in the town centre has driven people to other town for many years.
The town is not a shadow if its old self, unless we are going back to the 60s or 70s or something. The department stores left Helston years ago. Department stores have also left Penzance etc and some department stores have closed in every town including Woolworths and Littlewoods, online shopping plays a major part in some of this.
You cannot in my opinion keep blaming Helston Town Council for any decline in the town centre. Even if the outskirts were built up with chain stores and people came to them, with their free parking, it still wouldn't necessarily bring them into the town centre and is more likely to cause loss in trade in some cases and job losses. The fact remains Helston town centre does not have properties of a large enough scale to attract big stores, it therefore is building on its independents and cultural appeal.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town. When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council[/p][/quote]I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston. The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion.[/p][/quote]This is simply not true the town centre ia a shadow of its old self and continuea to decline. Constantly stating otherwise will not help the situation. The town councils negative attitude to anything other than small shops in the town centre has driven people to other town for many years.[/p][/quote]The town is not a shadow if its old self, unless we are going back to the 60s or 70s or something. The department stores left Helston years ago. Department stores have also left Penzance etc and some department stores have closed in every town including Woolworths and Littlewoods, online shopping plays a major part in some of this. You cannot in my opinion keep blaming Helston Town Council for any decline in the town centre. Even if the outskirts were built up with chain stores and people came to them, with their free parking, it still wouldn't necessarily bring them into the town centre and is more likely to cause loss in trade in some cases and job losses. The fact remains Helston town centre does not have properties of a large enough scale to attract big stores, it therefore is building on its independents and cultural appeal. Gillian Zella Martin 09

10:16am Sun 19 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Edge of town retailers has seen many town centres prosper. Hayle for example has seen a very positive impact from there splendid retail park. Keeping money in Hayle and attracting shopers from other town.
Hayle also has excellent pasties for £2.20.
The problem with Helston is that people prefer to shop in other towns and bid status will do nothing to attract the large retailers to town. The procession of employees, talking shops and now questioners simply masks the towns problem.
Edge of town retailers has seen many town centres prosper. Hayle for example has seen a very positive impact from there splendid retail park. Keeping money in Hayle and attracting shopers from other town. Hayle also has excellent pasties for £2.20. The problem with Helston is that people prefer to shop in other towns and bid status will do nothing to attract the large retailers to town. The procession of employees, talking shops and now questioners simply masks the towns problem. ronedgcumbe

11:06am Sun 19 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town.
When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council
I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston.
The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion.
This is simply not true the town centre ia a shadow of its old self and continuea to decline. Constantly stating otherwise will not help the situation. The town councils negative attitude to anything other than small shops in the town centre has driven people to other town for many years.
The town is not a shadow if its old self, unless we are going back to the 60s or 70s or something. The department stores left Helston years ago. Department stores have also left Penzance etc and some department stores have closed in every town including Woolworths and Littlewoods, online shopping plays a major part in some of this.
You cannot in my opinion keep blaming Helston Town Council for any decline in the town centre. Even if the outskirts were built up with chain stores and people came to them, with their free parking, it still wouldn't necessarily bring them into the town centre and is more likely to cause loss in trade in some cases and job losses. The fact remains Helston town centre does not have properties of a large enough scale to attract big stores, it therefore is building on its independents and cultural appeal.
I think you can blame the town council when they chose to get involved in the hill top development. They had no idea that the plan was to be dropped when they voted for a derelict site rather than an initiative business at one of the main entrances to town.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town. When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council[/p][/quote]I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston. The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion.[/p][/quote]This is simply not true the town centre ia a shadow of its old self and continuea to decline. Constantly stating otherwise will not help the situation. The town councils negative attitude to anything other than small shops in the town centre has driven people to other town for many years.[/p][/quote]The town is not a shadow if its old self, unless we are going back to the 60s or 70s or something. The department stores left Helston years ago. Department stores have also left Penzance etc and some department stores have closed in every town including Woolworths and Littlewoods, online shopping plays a major part in some of this. You cannot in my opinion keep blaming Helston Town Council for any decline in the town centre. Even if the outskirts were built up with chain stores and people came to them, with their free parking, it still wouldn't necessarily bring them into the town centre and is more likely to cause loss in trade in some cases and job losses. The fact remains Helston town centre does not have properties of a large enough scale to attract big stores, it therefore is building on its independents and cultural appeal.[/p][/quote]I think you can blame the town council when they chose to get involved in the hill top development. They had no idea that the plan was to be dropped when they voted for a derelict site rather than an initiative business at one of the main entrances to town. ronedgcumbe

12:53pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Edge of town retailers has seen many town centres prosper. Hayle for example has seen a very positive impact from there splendid retail park. Keeping money in Hayle and attracting shopers from other town.
Hayle also has excellent pasties for £2.20.
The problem with Helston is that people prefer to shop in other towns and bid status will do nothing to attract the large retailers to town. The procession of employees, talking shops and now questioners simply masks the towns problem.
There is a difference between an out of town retail park and one odd large business which would have sold pasties and additionally a shop full of all the same local produce the town sells and the markets, just taking trade away from the town.

Personally I do not call, one Marks and Spencer, one Boots, one Next and one Coffee shop a splendid retail park, ok so it has its benefits at Hayle, but parking was ill thought out, the car-park is generally full with a waiting queue after 10:00.
We do not have that type of available space in Helston for a retail park anyway so it is inconsequential.

Pasties are a matter of opinion and choice, personally I am of the opinion that one normally gets what one pays for.

Having BID status is irrelevant to attracting large businesses to Helston, as I previously pointed out, Helston town centre does not have buildings large enough for major retail premises, it therefore promotes independents, many of which are currently doing very well. Having BID status opens up a whole lot of opportunities, take the current free Saturday parking in Camborne as an example. Some other towns have larger population rates than Helston and therefore would likely attract more shoppers.

Not everyone is shopping entirely in Camborne and Penzance etc as you have stated you do on many occasions, otherwise the shops in Helston would not be there still, some of which have been there for years.

I reiterate, the HBIP and the Town Council are working constantly to improve Helston, all these people are volunteers, and whilst I may not always agree with all of them about everything, they all are doing their best, and presumably everyone only does what they think is right at the time. Helston has seen some massive improvements and initiatives and the work is far from finished.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Edge of town retailers has seen many town centres prosper. Hayle for example has seen a very positive impact from there splendid retail park. Keeping money in Hayle and attracting shopers from other town. Hayle also has excellent pasties for £2.20. The problem with Helston is that people prefer to shop in other towns and bid status will do nothing to attract the large retailers to town. The procession of employees, talking shops and now questioners simply masks the towns problem.[/p][/quote]There is a difference between an out of town retail park and one odd large business which would have sold pasties and additionally a shop full of all the same local produce the town sells and the markets, just taking trade away from the town. Personally I do not call, one Marks and Spencer, one Boots, one Next and one Coffee shop a splendid retail park, ok so it has its benefits at Hayle, but parking was ill thought out, the car-park is generally full with a waiting queue after 10:00. We do not have that type of available space in Helston for a retail park anyway so it is inconsequential. Pasties are a matter of opinion and choice, personally I am of the opinion that one normally gets what one pays for. Having BID status is irrelevant to attracting large businesses to Helston, as I previously pointed out, Helston town centre does not have buildings large enough for major retail premises, it therefore promotes independents, many of which are currently doing very well. Having BID status opens up a whole lot of opportunities, take the current free Saturday parking in Camborne as an example. Some other towns have larger population rates than Helston and therefore would likely attract more shoppers. Not everyone is shopping entirely in Camborne and Penzance etc as you have stated you do on many occasions, otherwise the shops in Helston would not be there still, some of which have been there for years. I reiterate, the HBIP and the Town Council are working constantly to improve Helston, all these people are volunteers, and whilst I may not always agree with all of them about everything, they all are doing their best, and presumably everyone only does what they think is right at the time. Helston has seen some massive improvements and initiatives and the work is far from finished. Gillian Zella Martin 09

1:07pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town.
When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council
I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston.
The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion.
This is simply not true the town centre ia a shadow of its old self and continuea to decline. Constantly stating otherwise will not help the situation. The town councils negative attitude to anything other than small shops in the town centre has driven people to other town for many years.
The town is not a shadow if its old self, unless we are going back to the 60s or 70s or something. The department stores left Helston years ago. Department stores have also left Penzance etc and some department stores have closed in every town including Woolworths and Littlewoods, online shopping plays a major part in some of this.
You cannot in my opinion keep blaming Helston Town Council for any decline in the town centre. Even if the outskirts were built up with chain stores and people came to them, with their free parking, it still wouldn't necessarily bring them into the town centre and is more likely to cause loss in trade in some cases and job losses. The fact remains Helston town centre does not have properties of a large enough scale to attract big stores, it therefore is building on its independents and cultural appeal.
I think you can blame the town council when they chose to get involved in the hill top development. They had no idea that the plan was to be dropped when they voted for a derelict site rather than an initiative business at one of the main entrances to town.
Planning application assessments are actually not based on competition, highways issues play a large part as does neighbouring properties, environmental issues, traffic volume, visual impact, rubbish etc
I do not think even if hypothetically, the pasty place had gone ahead, that it would have attracted extra shoppers into the town, quite the opposite. The applicants were at liberty to have their application assessed by Cornwall Council and given Cornwall Councils reputation for over-riding the decisions of town and parish councils, they must have known surely they had a good chance of gaining permission and yet they chose to withdraw their application so that was their prerogative.
It is in my view wrong to try to blame the Town Council for something that is irrelevant.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Exactly why jobs and opportunity not coming to town. When you see today the state of the town centre blame is with the the town council[/p][/quote]I disagree, the town centre has attracted quite a lot of new businesses and is currently thriving with things still in the process of being established. The recession hit the whole country not just Helston. The Town Councillors are not responsible for anything detrimental to the survival of town centre trade. They are working extremely hard, as are the HBIP for Helston, there is no instant quick fix for any town, it is a matter of working together and showing commitment and positivity in my opinion.[/p][/quote]This is simply not true the town centre ia a shadow of its old self and continuea to decline. Constantly stating otherwise will not help the situation. The town councils negative attitude to anything other than small shops in the town centre has driven people to other town for many years.[/p][/quote]The town is not a shadow if its old self, unless we are going back to the 60s or 70s or something. The department stores left Helston years ago. Department stores have also left Penzance etc and some department stores have closed in every town including Woolworths and Littlewoods, online shopping plays a major part in some of this. You cannot in my opinion keep blaming Helston Town Council for any decline in the town centre. Even if the outskirts were built up with chain stores and people came to them, with their free parking, it still wouldn't necessarily bring them into the town centre and is more likely to cause loss in trade in some cases and job losses. The fact remains Helston town centre does not have properties of a large enough scale to attract big stores, it therefore is building on its independents and cultural appeal.[/p][/quote]I think you can blame the town council when they chose to get involved in the hill top development. They had no idea that the plan was to be dropped when they voted for a derelict site rather than an initiative business at one of the main entrances to town.[/p][/quote]Planning application assessments are actually not based on competition, highways issues play a large part as does neighbouring properties, environmental issues, traffic volume, visual impact, rubbish etc I do not think even if hypothetically, the pasty place had gone ahead, that it would have attracted extra shoppers into the town, quite the opposite. The applicants were at liberty to have their application assessed by Cornwall Council and given Cornwall Councils reputation for over-riding the decisions of town and parish councils, they must have known surely they had a good chance of gaining permission and yet they chose to withdraw their application so that was their prerogative. It is in my view wrong to try to blame the Town Council for something that is irrelevant. Gillian Zella Martin 09

2:53pm Sun 19 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

When did Ron say he was standing for TC? seeing as he obviously has all the answers. All talk and no do springs to mind. Ok to put down other people's efforts if you suggest an alternative but he never seems to. Perhaps he is busy helping the BIP keeping the town nice and tidy. At least with others on here, if they criticise something they suggest an alternative or something to rectify a problem with, Ron just seems to moan constantly about the TC or the BIP without suggesting a better plan or doing anything to help.
There is a vacancy on the TC, let's hope someone with positivity joins. I know we probably all moan about some things or some Cllrs but I don't think any Cllr will meet his approval, he moaned about the last council and said they should stand down, now since the elections he recently said this council should all stand down.
What is the answer Ron, one that is actually possible.,other than you move to Camborne.
When did Ron say he was standing for TC? seeing as he obviously has all the answers. All talk and no do springs to mind. Ok to put down other people's efforts if you suggest an alternative but he never seems to. Perhaps he is busy helping the BIP keeping the town nice and tidy. At least with others on here, if they criticise something they suggest an alternative or something to rectify a problem with, Ron just seems to moan constantly about the TC or the BIP without suggesting a better plan or doing anything to help. There is a vacancy on the TC, let's hope someone with positivity joins. I know we probably all moan about some things or some Cllrs but I don't think any Cllr will meet his approval, he moaned about the last council and said they should stand down, now since the elections he recently said this council should all stand down. What is the answer Ron, one that is actually possible.,other than you move to Camborne. DCI Jen

6:06pm Sun 19 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

I have never stated that I have the answer to Helstons problems.
The herringbone parking idea for coinagehall street is a great idea and would go a long way to bring passing trade back to the town centre.
I have stood as a candidate for both the town and county elections and will stand at the next bi election if I can find details and get the forms from Camborne. Bit silly they are not available in Helston.
Helston has some great Councillors and some who should frankly try something else. I am certainly not negative towards Htc.
Had another look at the benches today. Some seem to be bowing in the middle. Clearly not fit for purpose.
I have never stated that I have the answer to Helstons problems. The herringbone parking idea for coinagehall street is a great idea and would go a long way to bring passing trade back to the town centre. I have stood as a candidate for both the town and county elections and will stand at the next bi election if I can find details and get the forms from Camborne. Bit silly they are not available in Helston. Helston has some great Councillors and some who should frankly try something else. I am certainly not negative towards Htc. Had another look at the benches today. Some seem to be bowing in the middle. Clearly not fit for purpose. ronedgcumbe

7:20pm Sun 19 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

When did you stand for county elections then Ron? I can't find any record of that. How can you say you are not negative towards the TC? you said the whole council should stand down, and the mayor is a weak leader on more than one occasion, you criticised Cllr John Boase for getting a grant you criticised Cllr Geer in the past and Cllr Knight and Ex Cllr Reynolds I think and Cllr Williams, all your comments are in the packet archives and I remember them anyway and you criticised most of what they do, you even criticised the election process and said it was all wrong last time you never got elected for the TC, you criticised the money they gave to the BIP and you criticised the BIP, I suppose you have to say you're not negative about them though if you want to join them, but don't you think they will find out how negative you are if you join them lol, I know others on here might not agree with them all about everything but I think you are having a laugh. The herringbone parking you mention lol that's really funny because its something they haven't actually done as yet and you said on here once that was your idea and that comment is in the archives as well lol

Of course the benches are fit for purpose, you can still sit on them and they are not all bowed. So what would you have? wooden ones that rot on the legs and stay damp when wet.
If you are a Cllr you need to be able to email people and take phone calls and treat everyone equally without prejudice so I hope you bear that in mind. When you get on the council I shall be contacting you about various things, and I expect you to wave a magic wand and work miracles a bit like i think you expect from the TC and the BIP. By the way, the TC and the BIP work closely together so seeing all the negative comments you have previously made about the BIP I wonder how well that will work for you.
Gill has mentioned on here in the past that when she has a question or disagrees with something about the TC she contacts them and says so, and meerkats says she's contacted the Cornwall Cllr to ask questions. Have you contacted the mayor and told him to his face you think he is a weak leader or told all the Cllrs to their faces that you think they should all stand down?
I am all for openess and transparency.
When did you stand for county elections then Ron? I can't find any record of that. How can you say you are not negative towards the TC? you said the whole council should stand down, and the mayor is a weak leader on more than one occasion, you criticised Cllr John Boase for getting a grant you criticised Cllr Geer in the past and Cllr Knight and Ex Cllr Reynolds I think and Cllr Williams, all your comments are in the packet archives and I remember them anyway and you criticised most of what they do, you even criticised the election process and said it was all wrong last time you never got elected for the TC, you criticised the money they gave to the BIP and you criticised the BIP, I suppose you have to say you're not negative about them though if you want to join them, but don't you think they will find out how negative you are if you join them lol, I know others on here might not agree with them all about everything but I think you are having a laugh. The herringbone parking you mention lol that's really funny because its something they haven't actually done as yet and you said on here once that was your idea and that comment is in the archives as well lol Of course the benches are fit for purpose, you can still sit on them and they are not all bowed. So what would you have? wooden ones that rot on the legs and stay damp when wet. If you are a Cllr you need to be able to email people and take phone calls and treat everyone equally without prejudice so I hope you bear that in mind. When you get on the council I shall be contacting you about various things, and I expect you to wave a magic wand and work miracles a bit like i think you expect from the TC and the BIP. By the way, the TC and the BIP work closely together so seeing all the negative comments you have previously made about the BIP I wonder how well that will work for you. Gill has mentioned on here in the past that when she has a question or disagrees with something about the TC she contacts them and says so, and meerkats says she's contacted the Cornwall Cllr to ask questions. Have you contacted the mayor and told him to his face you think he is a weak leader or told all the Cllrs to their faces that you think they should all stand down? I am all for openess and transparency. DCI Jen

7:23pm Sun 19 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

By the way you seem to like Camborne so it shouldn't be too much trouble to pop over and pick a form up or give them a call and get them to pop one in the post.
By the way you seem to like Camborne so it shouldn't be too much trouble to pop over and pick a form up or give them a call and get them to pop one in the post. DCI Jen

8:02pm Sun 19 Jan 14

meerkats says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Edge of town retailers has seen many town centres prosper. Hayle for example has seen a very positive impact from there splendid retail park. Keeping money in Hayle and attracting shopers from other town.
Hayle also has excellent pasties for £2.20.
The problem with Helston is that people prefer to shop in other towns and bid status will do nothing to attract the large retailers to town. The procession of employees, talking shops and now questioners simply masks the towns problem.
A very interesting and well written comment which i agree with totally . Ron is constantly criticising both the TC and the HBIP and continually leaves negative comments., which is totally unfair as they both work hard to improve Helston. and are doing a great job.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Edge of town retailers has seen many town centres prosper. Hayle for example has seen a very positive impact from there splendid retail park. Keeping money in Hayle and attracting shopers from other town. Hayle also has excellent pasties for £2.20. The problem with Helston is that people prefer to shop in other towns and bid status will do nothing to attract the large retailers to town. The procession of employees, talking shops and now questioners simply masks the towns problem.[/p][/quote]A very interesting and well written comment which i agree with totally . Ron is constantly criticising both the TC and the HBIP and continually leaves negative comments., which is totally unfair as they both work hard to improve Helston. and are doing a great job. meerkats

8:04pm Sun 19 Jan 14

meerkats says...

meerkats wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Edge of town retailers has seen many town centres prosper. Hayle for example has seen a very positive impact from there splendid retail park. Keeping money in Hayle and attracting shopers from other town.
Hayle also has excellent pasties for £2.20.
The problem with Helston is that people prefer to shop in other towns and bid status will do nothing to attract the large retailers to town. The procession of employees, talking shops and now questioners simply masks the towns problem.
A very interesting and well written comment which i agree with totally . Ron is constantly criticising both the TC and the HBIP and continually leaves negative comments., which is totally unfair as they both work hard to improve Helston. and are doing a great job.
this should have been posted under DCI Jens comment my computer had a glitch and for some reason appeared under here.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Edge of town retailers has seen many town centres prosper. Hayle for example has seen a very positive impact from there splendid retail park. Keeping money in Hayle and attracting shopers from other town. Hayle also has excellent pasties for £2.20. The problem with Helston is that people prefer to shop in other towns and bid status will do nothing to attract the large retailers to town. The procession of employees, talking shops and now questioners simply masks the towns problem.[/p][/quote]A very interesting and well written comment which i agree with totally . Ron is constantly criticising both the TC and the HBIP and continually leaves negative comments., which is totally unfair as they both work hard to improve Helston. and are doing a great job.[/p][/quote]this should have been posted under DCI Jens comment my computer had a glitch and for some reason appeared under here. meerkats

8:06pm Sun 19 Jan 14

meerkats says...

DCI Jen wrote:
When did you stand for county elections then Ron? I can't find any record of that. How can you say you are not negative towards the TC? you said the whole council should stand down, and the mayor is a weak leader on more than one occasion, you criticised Cllr John Boase for getting a grant you criticised Cllr Geer in the past and Cllr Knight and Ex Cllr Reynolds I think and Cllr Williams, all your comments are in the packet archives and I remember them anyway and you criticised most of what they do, you even criticised the election process and said it was all wrong last time you never got elected for the TC, you criticised the money they gave to the BIP and you criticised the BIP, I suppose you have to say you're not negative about them though if you want to join them, but don't you think they will find out how negative you are if you join them lol, I know others on here might not agree with them all about everything but I think you are having a laugh. The herringbone parking you mention lol that's really funny because its something they haven't actually done as yet and you said on here once that was your idea and that comment is in the archives as well lol

Of course the benches are fit for purpose, you can still sit on them and they are not all bowed. So what would you have? wooden ones that rot on the legs and stay damp when wet.
If you are a Cllr you need to be able to email people and take phone calls and treat everyone equally without prejudice so I hope you bear that in mind. When you get on the council I shall be contacting you about various things, and I expect you to wave a magic wand and work miracles a bit like i think you expect from the TC and the BIP. By the way, the TC and the BIP work closely together so seeing all the negative comments you have previously made about the BIP I wonder how well that will work for you.
Gill has mentioned on here in the past that when she has a question or disagrees with something about the TC she contacts them and says so, and meerkats says she's contacted the Cornwall Cllr to ask questions. Have you contacted the mayor and told him to his face you think he is a weak leader or told all the Cllrs to their faces that you think they should all stand down?
I am all for openess and transparency.
MY response to your comment has appeared under a comment by Ron due to a glitch. Modern technology is great !!
[quote][p][bold]DCI Jen[/bold] wrote: When did you stand for county elections then Ron? I can't find any record of that. How can you say you are not negative towards the TC? you said the whole council should stand down, and the mayor is a weak leader on more than one occasion, you criticised Cllr John Boase for getting a grant you criticised Cllr Geer in the past and Cllr Knight and Ex Cllr Reynolds I think and Cllr Williams, all your comments are in the packet archives and I remember them anyway and you criticised most of what they do, you even criticised the election process and said it was all wrong last time you never got elected for the TC, you criticised the money they gave to the BIP and you criticised the BIP, I suppose you have to say you're not negative about them though if you want to join them, but don't you think they will find out how negative you are if you join them lol, I know others on here might not agree with them all about everything but I think you are having a laugh. The herringbone parking you mention lol that's really funny because its something they haven't actually done as yet and you said on here once that was your idea and that comment is in the archives as well lol Of course the benches are fit for purpose, you can still sit on them and they are not all bowed. So what would you have? wooden ones that rot on the legs and stay damp when wet. If you are a Cllr you need to be able to email people and take phone calls and treat everyone equally without prejudice so I hope you bear that in mind. When you get on the council I shall be contacting you about various things, and I expect you to wave a magic wand and work miracles a bit like i think you expect from the TC and the BIP. By the way, the TC and the BIP work closely together so seeing all the negative comments you have previously made about the BIP I wonder how well that will work for you. Gill has mentioned on here in the past that when she has a question or disagrees with something about the TC she contacts them and says so, and meerkats says she's contacted the Cornwall Cllr to ask questions. Have you contacted the mayor and told him to his face you think he is a weak leader or told all the Cllrs to their faces that you think they should all stand down? I am all for openess and transparency.[/p][/quote]MY response to your comment has appeared under a comment by Ron due to a glitch. Modern technology is great !! meerkats

8:09pm Sun 19 Jan 14

meerkats says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Edge of town retailers has seen many town centres prosper. Hayle for example has seen a very positive impact from there splendid retail park. Keeping money in Hayle and attracting shopers from other town.
Hayle also has excellent pasties for £2.20.
The problem with Helston is that people prefer to shop in other towns and bid status will do nothing to attract the large retailers to town. The procession of employees, talking shops and now questioners simply masks the towns problem.
If you are going to Hayle just for a pasty it wouldnt be very economical and if you are going for the retail park there, Helston has a Boots and plenty of coffee shops anyway.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Edge of town retailers has seen many town centres prosper. Hayle for example has seen a very positive impact from there splendid retail park. Keeping money in Hayle and attracting shopers from other town. Hayle also has excellent pasties for £2.20. The problem with Helston is that people prefer to shop in other towns and bid status will do nothing to attract the large retailers to town. The procession of employees, talking shops and now questioners simply masks the towns problem.[/p][/quote]If you are going to Hayle just for a pasty it wouldnt be very economical and if you are going for the retail park there, Helston has a Boots and plenty of coffee shops anyway. meerkats

8:48pm Sun 19 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

Thanks meerkats, I noticed in the past every positive comment Gill or you made on the TC or BIP got loads of thumbs down and Rons negative comments got thumbs up, but only a very small percentage of the voting electorate might read this website and I think if they happen to think like Ron then good luck to them, but when it came to the election vote he was never elected so that said it all. I don't mean to be rude but I think someone should have the courage of their convictions, if I wanted to say the mayor was a weak leader or the whole council should stand down I would get in touch with them and tell them to their faces and I know Gill would to, not just stick it all on a website. That way it gives the Cllrs the right of reply. The Cllrs don't comment on here so how can Ron expect them to know what he thinks, he should give them the personal right of reply.
I know too that Gill said on the other article that she has contacted the council about the benches.
They might quite like to bury her under the Guildhall floor by now but at least she has the courage of her convictions and says things to people directly so they have the right of reply.

It costs petrol to go to Camborne or Hayle so the pasty isn't that cheap anyway in comparison. I know not everyone can get everything they want in Helston and might shop in another town but for Ron to keep on promoting other towns on here shows he hasn't much commitment to Helston I think.
Thanks meerkats, I noticed in the past every positive comment Gill or you made on the TC or BIP got loads of thumbs down and Rons negative comments got thumbs up, but only a very small percentage of the voting electorate might read this website and I think if they happen to think like Ron then good luck to them, but when it came to the election vote he was never elected so that said it all. I don't mean to be rude but I think someone should have the courage of their convictions, if I wanted to say the mayor was a weak leader or the whole council should stand down I would get in touch with them and tell them to their faces and I know Gill would to, not just stick it all on a website. That way it gives the Cllrs the right of reply. The Cllrs don't comment on here so how can Ron expect them to know what he thinks, he should give them the personal right of reply. I know too that Gill said on the other article that she has contacted the council about the benches. They might quite like to bury her under the Guildhall floor by now but at least she has the courage of her convictions and says things to people directly so they have the right of reply. It costs petrol to go to Camborne or Hayle so the pasty isn't that cheap anyway in comparison. I know not everyone can get everything they want in Helston and might shop in another town but for Ron to keep on promoting other towns on here shows he hasn't much commitment to Helston I think. DCI Jen

9:40pm Sun 19 Jan 14

petergg says...

Same old argument, by same old experts

Yawn
Same old argument, by same old experts Yawn petergg

10:07pm Sun 19 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

petergg wrote:
Same old argument, by same old experts

Yawn
So why bother reading it then, no one is making you, don't see any constructive comment from you. We might not all agree on here but we have all made valid points and expressed our opinions not just tried to insult people like you seem to do every time you comment.
[quote][p][bold]petergg[/bold] wrote: Same old argument, by same old experts Yawn[/p][/quote]So why bother reading it then, no one is making you, don't see any constructive comment from you. We might not all agree on here but we have all made valid points and expressed our opinions not just tried to insult people like you seem to do every time you comment. DCI Jen

10:10pm Sun 19 Jan 14

meerkats says...

petergg wrote:
Same old argument, by same old experts

Yawn
Constructive interesting comments ,(apart from yours ) lol. None of us are experts just giving our opinions .
[quote][p][bold]petergg[/bold] wrote: Same old argument, by same old experts Yawn[/p][/quote]Constructive interesting comments ,(apart from yours ) lol. None of us are experts just giving our opinions . meerkats

10:14pm Sun 19 Jan 14

meerkats says...

petergg wrote:
Same old argument, by same old experts

Yawn
Same old insults by same old expert insulter . yawn
[quote][p][bold]petergg[/bold] wrote: Same old argument, by same old experts Yawn[/p][/quote]Same old insults by same old expert insulter . yawn meerkats

10:59pm Sun 19 Jan 14

meerkats says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
I have never stated that I have the answer to Helstons problems.
The herringbone parking idea for coinagehall street is a great idea and would go a long way to bring passing trade back to the town centre.
I have stood as a candidate for both the town and county elections and will stand at the next bi election if I can find details and get the forms from Camborne. Bit silly they are not available in Helston.
Helston has some great Councillors and some who should frankly try something else. I am certainly not negative towards Htc.
Had another look at the benches today. Some seem to be bowing in the middle. Clearly not fit for purpose.
I am sure many people would disagree that they are not fit for purpose, i have seen them in use and not heard any complaints , They are provided for people to have a rest if needed as i have said before they do look wonky but are an asset to the town nonetheless
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I have never stated that I have the answer to Helstons problems. The herringbone parking idea for coinagehall street is a great idea and would go a long way to bring passing trade back to the town centre. I have stood as a candidate for both the town and county elections and will stand at the next bi election if I can find details and get the forms from Camborne. Bit silly they are not available in Helston. Helston has some great Councillors and some who should frankly try something else. I am certainly not negative towards Htc. Had another look at the benches today. Some seem to be bowing in the middle. Clearly not fit for purpose.[/p][/quote]I am sure many people would disagree that they are not fit for purpose, i have seen them in use and not heard any complaints , They are provided for people to have a rest if needed as i have said before they do look wonky but are an asset to the town nonetheless meerkats

11:32pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

I have seen 11 out of the 15 benches so far, when walking around, and whilst I have personally raised a couple of issues with the Town Council about them, they are in my opinion perfectly fit for purpose. As a welcome addition to the town, they are good because they can be dried easily to sit on, whereas wood remains damp long after it has rained, and they will not rot, making them maintenance free. Back on topic, One can sit on them, and if they so wish, eat some of the nice hygienically prepared food, from the various highly rated food outlets we benefit from within the town.
I have seen 11 out of the 15 benches so far, when walking around, and whilst I have personally raised a couple of issues with the Town Council about them, they are in my opinion perfectly fit for purpose. As a welcome addition to the town, they are good because they can be dried easily to sit on, whereas wood remains damp long after it has rained, and they will not rot, making them maintenance free. Back on topic, One can sit on them, and if they so wish, eat some of the nice hygienically prepared food, from the various highly rated food outlets we benefit from within the town. Gillian Zella Martin 09

10:42am Mon 20 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

I like all the food places in Helston. Ron is a little bit funny i think, he says he is definitely not negative about htc then follows it straight up with the benches are not fit for purpurse lol i think perhaps the only answer is he joins the tc and Cornwall council and puts everything right the way he eants it. Ive only been in Helston a couple of years but i think the tc are great, perhaps Ron has never been out of the county.
I like all the food places in Helston. Ron is a little bit funny i think, he says he is definitely not negative about htc then follows it straight up with the benches are not fit for purpurse lol i think perhaps the only answer is he joins the tc and Cornwall council and puts everything right the way he eants it. Ive only been in Helston a couple of years but i think the tc are great, perhaps Ron has never been out of the county. Rainbow over Helston

11:10am Mon 20 Jan 14

Helston Observer says...

God help Helston if Ron gets on the Council, of course he's entitled to his opinion bt he's so negative, everything is wrong, and the TC and BIP can't get anything right. Perhaps he should join HTC after all while he still knows everything and has the rite answers to all Helston's probelms lol!!!

Seriously though, I've heard that at least 2 other people are standing for the elction and one is really good apparently and well known locally, so hopefully Ron won't get on even if he stands.
God help Helston if Ron gets on the Council, of course he's entitled to his opinion bt he's so negative, everything is wrong, and the TC and BIP can't get anything right. Perhaps he should join HTC after all while he still knows everything and has the rite answers to all Helston's probelms lol!!! Seriously though, I've heard that at least 2 other people are standing for the elction and one is really good apparently and well known locally, so hopefully Ron won't get on even if he stands. Helston Observer

12:04pm Mon 20 Jan 14

rwarwicker says...

The ones reported low scoring in Falmouth, if you look at the Food Safety website. At least one business's score was prior to change of ownership. The packet didn't mention the score was from April 2013, and the establishment changed ownership in September 2013. It isn't fair on those new owners to publish the food score as rubbish, when in fact they may have incredibly safe standards, probably lose them business etc.
Also the scorings are based on kitchen layout, paperwork in order more than the food being sold. A business with an older kitchen will score lowly as the standards to get a high score require certain styles of floor layers, wall layers etc. It also looks more at paper work than the production of food itself.
The ones reported low scoring in Falmouth, if you look at the Food Safety website. At least one business's score was prior to change of ownership. The packet didn't mention the score was from April 2013, and the establishment changed ownership in September 2013. It isn't fair on those new owners to publish the food score as rubbish, when in fact they may have incredibly safe standards, probably lose them business etc. Also the scorings are based on kitchen layout, paperwork in order more than the food being sold. A business with an older kitchen will score lowly as the standards to get a high score require certain styles of floor layers, wall layers etc. It also looks more at paper work than the production of food itself. rwarwicker

12:50pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

rwarwicker wrote:
The ones reported low scoring in Falmouth, if you look at the Food Safety website. At least one business's score was prior to change of ownership. The packet didn't mention the score was from April 2013, and the establishment changed ownership in September 2013. It isn't fair on those new owners to publish the food score as rubbish, when in fact they may have incredibly safe standards, probably lose them business etc.
Also the scorings are based on kitchen layout, paperwork in order more than the food being sold. A business with an older kitchen will score lowly as the standards to get a high score require certain styles of floor layers, wall layers etc. It also looks more at paper work than the production of food itself.
Some of the ones I looked up for Helston stated they were last inspected in September 2013.
[quote][p][bold]rwarwicker[/bold] wrote: The ones reported low scoring in Falmouth, if you look at the Food Safety website. At least one business's score was prior to change of ownership. The packet didn't mention the score was from April 2013, and the establishment changed ownership in September 2013. It isn't fair on those new owners to publish the food score as rubbish, when in fact they may have incredibly safe standards, probably lose them business etc. Also the scorings are based on kitchen layout, paperwork in order more than the food being sold. A business with an older kitchen will score lowly as the standards to get a high score require certain styles of floor layers, wall layers etc. It also looks more at paper work than the production of food itself.[/p][/quote]Some of the ones I looked up for Helston stated they were last inspected in September 2013. Gillian Zella Martin 09

12:54pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

It said Horse and Jockey bakers was last inspected on the 3rd Sept 2013 and scored 5 and Ruth's last inspected 3rd Sept 2013 scored 4. I remembered this because 3rd Sept is my birthday.
It said Horse and Jockey bakers was last inspected on the 3rd Sept 2013 and scored 5 and Ruth's last inspected 3rd Sept 2013 scored 4. I remembered this because 3rd Sept is my birthday. Gillian Zella Martin 09

1:56pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Incidentally, on the Falmouth and Penryn article it says the agency stated 10% of the places out of both towns gave them cause for concern and one place that rated 1 has since closed. So whatever the scores, if the agency states 10% gave them cause for concern presumably there must be a problem somewhere.
Incidentally, on the Falmouth and Penryn article it says the agency stated 10% of the places out of both towns gave them cause for concern and one place that rated 1 has since closed. So whatever the scores, if the agency states 10% gave them cause for concern presumably there must be a problem somewhere. Gillian Zella Martin 09

2:42pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Random comment, you could stand for council for Cury Gill you must live within three miles of it because you said you live a mile from Poldhu on the other article. You must also be within 3 miles of Porthleven if you went by boat. Is there any rule that says the three mile radius has to be by road and not as the crow flies, why cant you go by boat to Porthleven and stand for their council next time there is a vacancy.
Random comment, you could stand for council for Cury Gill you must live within three miles of it because you said you live a mile from Poldhu on the other article. You must also be within 3 miles of Porthleven if you went by boat. Is there any rule that says the three mile radius has to be by road and not as the crow flies, why cant you go by boat to Porthleven and stand for their council next time there is a vacancy. Rainbow over Helston

5:48pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
Random comment, you could stand for council for Cury Gill you must live within three miles of it because you said you live a mile from Poldhu on the other article. You must also be within 3 miles of Porthleven if you went by boat. Is there any rule that says the three mile radius has to be by road and not as the crow flies, why cant you go by boat to Porthleven and stand for their council next time there is a vacancy.
Lol, so hypothetically next time there is a vacancy for Porthleven, I toddle off there, give my address as Mullion but say I arrived by boat and it was only three miles, I couldn't imagine anyone wanting me on the council there under normal circumstances let alone if I portrayed that I was completely demented.

Personally I think it is illogical that one cannot stand for their nearest town that they hold an interest in, because they reside an additional 4 miles outside of the 3 mile limit, and yet can stand for somewhere within 3 miles of where they live even though they may never go there!
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: Random comment, you could stand for council for Cury Gill you must live within three miles of it because you said you live a mile from Poldhu on the other article. You must also be within 3 miles of Porthleven if you went by boat. Is there any rule that says the three mile radius has to be by road and not as the crow flies, why cant you go by boat to Porthleven and stand for their council next time there is a vacancy.[/p][/quote]Lol, so hypothetically next time there is a vacancy for Porthleven, I toddle off there, give my address as Mullion but say I arrived by boat and it was only three miles, I couldn't imagine anyone wanting me on the council there under normal circumstances let alone if I portrayed that I was completely demented. Personally I think it is illogical that one cannot stand for their nearest town that they hold an interest in, because they reside an additional 4 miles outside of the 3 mile limit, and yet can stand for somewhere within 3 miles of where they live even though they may never go there! Gillian Zella Martin 09

6:12pm Mon 20 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

I have just watched the scoring drop dramatically on here within seconds/minutes on several comments so I doubt very much 10 or more people all suddenly looked at the website and voted at exactly the same time, has Ron just got home from work!!! I noticed this happened in the past on comments when people criticised him.
Well one thing is for sure no one will be able to fix the vote for the Helston election!!
I'm back to work out of the county tomorrow so won't have time for this but will catch up later.
I have just watched the scoring drop dramatically on here within seconds/minutes on several comments so I doubt very much 10 or more people all suddenly looked at the website and voted at exactly the same time, has Ron just got home from work!!! I noticed this happened in the past on comments when people criticised him. Well one thing is for sure no one will be able to fix the vote for the Helston election!! I'm back to work out of the county tomorrow so won't have time for this but will catch up later. DCI Jen

6:22pm Mon 20 Jan 14

DCI Jen says...

Helston Observers score dropped on here from about 15 to 1 in a couple of minutes, I watched it, so it is not the true score. You might be able to alter the scoring on here but you can't alter the Election results or people's opinions!!! I agree with Helston Observer I don't think Ron would make a very good Cllr. He already proved he was a bad loser after the last election by all the comments he left on here saying the election was all wrong.
Helston Observers score dropped on here from about 15 to 1 in a couple of minutes, I watched it, so it is not the true score. You might be able to alter the scoring on here but you can't alter the Election results or people's opinions!!! I agree with Helston Observer I don't think Ron would make a very good Cllr. He already proved he was a bad loser after the last election by all the comments he left on here saying the election was all wrong. DCI Jen

6:58pm Mon 20 Jan 14

rwarwicker says...

Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
rwarwicker wrote:
The ones reported low scoring in Falmouth, if you look at the Food Safety website. At least one business's score was prior to change of ownership. The packet didn't mention the score was from April 2013, and the establishment changed ownership in September 2013. It isn't fair on those new owners to publish the food score as rubbish, when in fact they may have incredibly safe standards, probably lose them business etc.
Also the scorings are based on kitchen layout, paperwork in order more than the food being sold. A business with an older kitchen will score lowly as the standards to get a high score require certain styles of floor layers, wall layers etc. It also looks more at paper work than the production of food itself.
Some of the ones I looked up for Helston stated they were last inspected in September 2013.
Just had another look some scores in Falmouth are from 2012, albeit good ones. The report implies they are recent. Has a good restaurant gone down hill? Has a low scoring restaurant increased their scores?
I used to be a frequent visitor to the Angarrack Inn, as I lived in the village for a period of time, and it had 1 star. It then had another check and came out at 5 stars. I'm guessing low scorers get checked more frequently than a high scorer. I believe a change of ownership occurred between checks on the Angarrack inn.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rwarwicker[/bold] wrote: The ones reported low scoring in Falmouth, if you look at the Food Safety website. At least one business's score was prior to change of ownership. The packet didn't mention the score was from April 2013, and the establishment changed ownership in September 2013. It isn't fair on those new owners to publish the food score as rubbish, when in fact they may have incredibly safe standards, probably lose them business etc. Also the scorings are based on kitchen layout, paperwork in order more than the food being sold. A business with an older kitchen will score lowly as the standards to get a high score require certain styles of floor layers, wall layers etc. It also looks more at paper work than the production of food itself.[/p][/quote]Some of the ones I looked up for Helston stated they were last inspected in September 2013.[/p][/quote]Just had another look some scores in Falmouth are from 2012, albeit good ones. The report implies they are recent. Has a good restaurant gone down hill? Has a low scoring restaurant increased their scores? I used to be a frequent visitor to the Angarrack Inn, as I lived in the village for a period of time, and it had 1 star. It then had another check and came out at 5 stars. I'm guessing low scorers get checked more frequently than a high scorer. I believe a change of ownership occurred between checks on the Angarrack inn. rwarwicker

7:00pm Mon 20 Jan 14

meerkats says...

DCI Jen wrote:
Helston Observers score dropped on here from about 15 to 1 in a couple of minutes, I watched it, so it is not the true score. You might be able to alter the scoring on here but you can't alter the Election results or people's opinions!!! I agree with Helston Observer I don't think Ron would make a very good Cllr. He already proved he was a bad loser after the last election by all the comments he left on here saying the election was all wrong.
I think the scoring is a complete waste of time and is not necessary , been nice reading your comments again and look forward to your next ones when you are down this way again. Getting back to the article Helston has some great places to eat ,but i dont think the picture alongside the headline ie all the chips etc look very appetising.
[quote][p][bold]DCI Jen[/bold] wrote: Helston Observers score dropped on here from about 15 to 1 in a couple of minutes, I watched it, so it is not the true score. You might be able to alter the scoring on here but you can't alter the Election results or people's opinions!!! I agree with Helston Observer I don't think Ron would make a very good Cllr. He already proved he was a bad loser after the last election by all the comments he left on here saying the election was all wrong.[/p][/quote]I think the scoring is a complete waste of time and is not necessary , been nice reading your comments again and look forward to your next ones when you are down this way again. Getting back to the article Helston has some great places to eat ,but i dont think the picture alongside the headline ie all the chips etc look very appetising. meerkats

8:21pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

rwarwicker wrote:
Gillian Zella Martin 09 wrote:
rwarwicker wrote:
The ones reported low scoring in Falmouth, if you look at the Food Safety website. At least one business's score was prior to change of ownership. The packet didn't mention the score was from April 2013, and the establishment changed ownership in September 2013. It isn't fair on those new owners to publish the food score as rubbish, when in fact they may have incredibly safe standards, probably lose them business etc.
Also the scorings are based on kitchen layout, paperwork in order more than the food being sold. A business with an older kitchen will score lowly as the standards to get a high score require certain styles of floor layers, wall layers etc. It also looks more at paper work than the production of food itself.
Some of the ones I looked up for Helston stated they were last inspected in September 2013.
Just had another look some scores in Falmouth are from 2012, albeit good ones. The report implies they are recent. Has a good restaurant gone down hill? Has a low scoring restaurant increased their scores?
I used to be a frequent visitor to the Angarrack Inn, as I lived in the village for a period of time, and it had 1 star. It then had another check and came out at 5 stars. I'm guessing low scorers get checked more frequently than a high scorer. I believe a change of ownership occurred between checks on the Angarrack inn.
It would seem a bit unsatisfactory really, the whole way of publishing scores, because as you quite rightly point out there could be change of ownership between checks and standards/ratings could improve or get worse. Perhaps checks should be carried out but ratings not available publicly, unless applied for on an up to date individual basis.
[quote][p][bold]rwarwicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian Zella Martin 09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rwarwicker[/bold] wrote: The ones reported low scoring in Falmouth, if you look at the Food Safety website. At least one business's score was prior to change of ownership. The packet didn't mention the score was from April 2013, and the establishment changed ownership in September 2013. It isn't fair on those new owners to publish the food score as rubbish, when in fact they may have incredibly safe standards, probably lose them business etc. Also the scorings are based on kitchen layout, paperwork in order more than the food being sold. A business with an older kitchen will score lowly as the standards to get a high score require certain styles of floor layers, wall layers etc. It also looks more at paper work than the production of food itself.[/p][/quote]Some of the ones I looked up for Helston stated they were last inspected in September 2013.[/p][/quote]Just had another look some scores in Falmouth are from 2012, albeit good ones. The report implies they are recent. Has a good restaurant gone down hill? Has a low scoring restaurant increased their scores? I used to be a frequent visitor to the Angarrack Inn, as I lived in the village for a period of time, and it had 1 star. It then had another check and came out at 5 stars. I'm guessing low scorers get checked more frequently than a high scorer. I believe a change of ownership occurred between checks on the Angarrack inn.[/p][/quote]It would seem a bit unsatisfactory really, the whole way of publishing scores, because as you quite rightly point out there could be change of ownership between checks and standards/ratings could improve or get worse. Perhaps checks should be carried out but ratings not available publicly, unless applied for on an up to date individual basis. Gillian Zella Martin 09

7:39am Tue 21 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

What i am still wondering after reading DCI Jens comment is why did Ron say the election was wrong? I must have missed all that and why did he say the mayor was a weak leader,? How can he be, they have to vote on everything he cant just make all the decisions. Perhaps Ron wants to be mayor. Do you know anything about it Gill? I am going to buy a pasty today and i dont care what score the shop has providing they have lots of meat in the pasty.
What i am still wondering after reading DCI Jens comment is why did Ron say the election was wrong? I must have missed all that and why did he say the mayor was a weak leader,? How can he be, they have to vote on everything he cant just make all the decisions. Perhaps Ron wants to be mayor. Do you know anything about it Gill? I am going to buy a pasty today and i dont care what score the shop has providing they have lots of meat in the pasty. Rainbow over Helston

9:00am Tue 21 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
What i am still wondering after reading DCI Jens comment is why did Ron say the election was wrong? I must have missed all that and why did he say the mayor was a weak leader,? How can he be, they have to vote on everything he cant just make all the decisions. Perhaps Ron wants to be mayor. Do you know anything about it Gill? I am going to buy a pasty today and i dont care what score the shop has providing they have lots of meat in the pasty.
I believe Ron had a misunderstanding as to how the election process currently works.

I do not know why Ron said on several occasions the Mayor was a weak leader, perhaps it is something you should be asking Ron!
I do however know that I disputed the claims by Ron on all those occasions.

In my opinion the current Mayor and his wife represent Helston at all civic occasions with dignity and do a fantastic job, of which Helston can be proud.
He fulfils the complete role of Mayor, which as you are probably aware, involves a lot more than just public occasions, with integrity and commitment.

I hope you enjoy your pasty. I think all the Helston food outlets score well in the health and safety hygiene ratings.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: What i am still wondering after reading DCI Jens comment is why did Ron say the election was wrong? I must have missed all that and why did he say the mayor was a weak leader,? How can he be, they have to vote on everything he cant just make all the decisions. Perhaps Ron wants to be mayor. Do you know anything about it Gill? I am going to buy a pasty today and i dont care what score the shop has providing they have lots of meat in the pasty.[/p][/quote]I believe Ron had a misunderstanding as to how the election process currently works. I do not know why Ron said on several occasions the Mayor was a weak leader, perhaps it is something you should be asking Ron! I do however know that I disputed the claims by Ron on all those occasions. In my opinion the current Mayor and his wife represent Helston at all civic occasions with dignity and do a fantastic job, of which Helston can be proud. He fulfils the complete role of Mayor, which as you are probably aware, involves a lot more than just public occasions, with integrity and commitment. I hope you enjoy your pasty. I think all the Helston food outlets score well in the health and safety hygiene ratings. Gillian Zella Martin 09

12:39pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Thanks Gill, i agree with you, put that in your diary for prosperity lol.
Thanks Gill, i agree with you, put that in your diary for prosperity lol. Rainbow over Helston

1:02pm Tue 21 Jan 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Dont remember making that comment or the context it was made in. People opinions change over time as mine have here.
This is my last comment as I will no longer read this forum its getting a bit silly and my comments do not seem to receive the respect I give to others.
Cheers.
Dont remember making that comment or the context it was made in. People opinions change over time as mine have here. This is my last comment as I will no longer read this forum its getting a bit silly and my comments do not seem to receive the respect I give to others. Cheers. ronedgcumbe

2:47pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Dont remember making that comment or the context it was made in. People opinions change over time as mine have here.
This is my last comment as I will no longer read this forum its getting a bit silly and my comments do not seem to receive the respect I give to others.
Cheers.
I do not show disrespect to your comments Ron, or anyone's, I have only ever debated with you on various issues, some of which we agreed upon, some we did not. In fact it was you that told me once I was naive, on the article about the boundary stones being cleaned up!
With reference to you referral to the Mayor, I clearly remember the comment on more than one occasion and no doubt the comments will still be in the Packet archives unless they happened to be on an article where the Packet switched all the comments off afterwards. Of course you can change your mind, that is your prerogative, I change my opinions about things but then I personally admit when I am wrong about something or someone!
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Dont remember making that comment or the context it was made in. People opinions change over time as mine have here. This is my last comment as I will no longer read this forum its getting a bit silly and my comments do not seem to receive the respect I give to others. Cheers.[/p][/quote]I do not show disrespect to your comments Ron, or anyone's, I have only ever debated with you on various issues, some of which we agreed upon, some we did not. In fact it was you that told me once I was naive, on the article about the boundary stones being cleaned up! With reference to you referral to the Mayor, I clearly remember the comment on more than one occasion and no doubt the comments will still be in the Packet archives unless they happened to be on an article where the Packet switched all the comments off afterwards. Of course you can change your mind, that is your prerogative, I change my opinions about things but then I personally admit when I am wrong about something or someone! Gillian Zella Martin 09

3:09pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

I think there is a difference between disrespect and disagree and i have never seen Gill disrespect anyone ever. I have not seen meerkats disrespect Rons comments either. Im begining to see the light about the elections now.
I think there is a difference between disrespect and disagree and i have never seen Gill disrespect anyone ever. I have not seen meerkats disrespect Rons comments either. Im begining to see the light about the elections now. Rainbow over Helston

3:25pm Tue 21 Jan 14

meerkats says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
I think there is a difference between disrespect and disagree and i have never seen Gill disrespect anyone ever. I have not seen meerkats disrespect Rons comments either. Im begining to see the light about the elections now.
I have read Rons comment before and he definitely said the Mayor was a weak leader .now he says he doesnt remember , i know we can change our mind as time goes on and but if he has decided the Mayor is good at his job (which he is and represents Helston very well ) then he should just come out and say so and not say he cant remember or what context he said it in. Unfortunately i havent enough time to scroll the archives. Did you enjoy your pasty ?lol
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: I think there is a difference between disrespect and disagree and i have never seen Gill disrespect anyone ever. I have not seen meerkats disrespect Rons comments either. Im begining to see the light about the elections now.[/p][/quote]I have read Rons comment before and he definitely said the Mayor was a weak leader .now he says he doesnt remember , i know we can change our mind as time goes on and but if he has decided the Mayor is good at his job (which he is and represents Helston very well ) then he should just come out and say so and not say he cant remember or what context he said it in. Unfortunately i havent enough time to scroll the archives. Did you enjoy your pasty ?lol meerkats

3:35pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Pasty was nice thanks meerkats, and i used to work with Gill and we hardly ever agreed, but she is completely honest and has a good memory for things so if she says Ron made those comments i would know he did, glad you said you read them too, you are right in what you have said.
Pasty was nice thanks meerkats, and i used to work with Gill and we hardly ever agreed, but she is completely honest and has a good memory for things so if she says Ron made those comments i would know he did, glad you said you read them too, you are right in what you have said. Rainbow over Helston

9:09pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Gillian Zella Martin 09 says...

Ron says people's opinions change over time, well I hope his prejudicial opinions have changed then. I have just read from an article in the Packet archives, (25th July 2012) where Ron states:

"A new Mayor from outside of town who has so far failed to make an impression, about time we Helstonians took back our town I think"

Whilst he is entitled to his opinions, personally I believe prejudice of that kind would have no place on a council. I am aware people change their views about things because I have in the past, but I would provide an explanation if challenged and admit when I am wrong.
Ron says people's opinions change over time, well I hope his prejudicial opinions have changed then. I have just read from an article in the Packet archives, (25th July 2012) where Ron states: "A new Mayor from outside of town who has so far failed to make an impression, about time we Helstonians took back our town I think" Whilst he is entitled to his opinions, personally I believe prejudice of that kind would have no place on a council. I am aware people change their views about things because I have in the past, but I would provide an explanation if challenged and admit when I am wrong. Gillian Zella Martin 09

10:14pm Tue 21 Jan 14

meerkats says...

OMG, What a shocking thing to say !! I agree there is no place on a council for such a prejudicial statement, shame on you Ron.
OMG, What a shocking thing to say !! I agree there is no place on a council for such a prejudicial statement, shame on you Ron. meerkats

8:29am Wed 22 Jan 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Ive just read that article and Gill and telstar challenged him but he gave no explanation, he just replied to Gill that he wouldnt converse with her because she didnt live in the town! Imagine a Cllr or the town clerk saying oh sorry i cant talk to you about a Helston issue because you dont live in the town lol. Later on telstar said we are still waiting for a reply from Ron but he never replied. So how do we know if he is still prejudiced or not.
Ive just read that article and Gill and telstar challenged him but he gave no explanation, he just replied to Gill that he wouldnt converse with her because she didnt live in the town! Imagine a Cllr or the town clerk saying oh sorry i cant talk to you about a Helston issue because you dont live in the town lol. Later on telstar said we are still waiting for a reply from Ron but he never replied. So how do we know if he is still prejudiced or not. Rainbow over Helston

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