Why it is 'illegal' to make drivers aware of Helston road speed limit cut?

Falmouth Packet: Why it is 'illegal' to make drivers aware of Helston road speed limit cut? Why it is 'illegal' to make drivers aware of Helston road speed limit cut?

Despite the fact that drivers face a fine and points on their licence if they break the speed limit, never mind the increased risk, Cornwall Council is refusing to make a speed limit change to one of Helston's road clear - because officers claim it would be “illegal.”

The bizarre situation was brought to the fore at the last meeting of town councillors.

Here they were told that drivers were apparently “unaware” of the recent speed limit change to Meneage Road, which has dropped from 40mph to 30mph.

PC Anne Butcher told members that over a 45-minute period officers stopped seven people breaking the speed limit, adding: “One observation is that the signage could do with more repeaters. People were clearly not aware of that reduction in the speed along there.”

Some might consider this a simple solution - a few more signs that drivers cannot fail to miss. Indeed, the town council itself has asked for this to happen.

The response? “We have been informed that the position of the lampposts should inform motorists of what speed they should drive at,” explained a somewhat incredulous deputy mayor Mike Thomas.

That is all very well, and of course something that every new driver is taught - but when drivers pass along the same road, at the same speed every day for X number of years, it could be argued it takes something out of the ordinary to make them sit up and notice.

The area's Cornwall Councillor Judith Haycock has also tried on a couple of occasions, but her findings were depressing: “The lampposts mean it is automatically a 30mph and it's actually illegal to put repeater signs.”

Funny how the lampposts were still there when it was 40mph though, isn't it?

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7:08am Tue 28 Jan 14

miss perfect says...

Read the hiway code
Read the hiway code miss perfect
  • Score: -8

10:17am Tue 28 Jan 14

meerkats says...

miss perfect wrote:
Read the hiway code
How will it help reading the highway code, ? they need more signs to make drivers aware. I am up and down that road walking frequently and it certainly made it easier to cross when they were doing the speed check last week, there are some that heed the 30mph limit since it was introduced but there are many more that dont.
[quote][p][bold]miss perfect[/bold] wrote: Read the hiway code[/p][/quote]How will it help reading the highway code, ? they need more signs to make drivers aware. I am up and down that road walking frequently and it certainly made it easier to cross when they were doing the speed check last week, there are some that heed the 30mph limit since it was introduced but there are many more that dont. meerkats
  • Score: 4

2:32pm Tue 28 Jan 14

'locallad87' says...

Every driver that gets into a car should be aware of what goes on around them every day. If you drive on 'auto pilot' you're technically driving competently subconsciously, you should be alert and aware, therefore making you consciously competent.

There is no excuse for failure to not recognise speed limits, especially on urban roads which generally are 30mph, wake up people!!
Every driver that gets into a car should be aware of what goes on around them every day. If you drive on 'auto pilot' you're technically driving competently subconsciously, you should be alert and aware, therefore making you consciously competent. There is no excuse for failure to not recognise speed limits, especially on urban roads which generally are 30mph, wake up people!! 'locallad87'
  • Score: 9

2:58pm Tue 28 Jan 14

miss perfect says...

Yea,dont fall asleep at the wheal
Yea,dont fall asleep at the wheal miss perfect
  • Score: -5

3:59pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Cornwall Councillor Judith Haycock said "the lamp posts automatically mean it a 30mph" "Funny how the lamp posts were still there when it was 40mph though isn't it?"

The presence of lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit unless otherwise marked, at that time it was otherwise marked, as a 40mph limit, now it is not, making the presence of the lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit.
Cornwall Councillor Judith Haycock said "the lamp posts automatically mean it a 30mph" "Funny how the lamp posts were still there when it was 40mph though isn't it?" The presence of lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit unless otherwise marked, at that time it was otherwise marked, as a 40mph limit, now it is not, making the presence of the lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 3

4:52pm Wed 29 Jan 14

miss perfect says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
Cornwall Councillor Judith Haycock said "the lamp posts automatically mean it a 30mph" "Funny how the lamp posts were still there when it was 40mph though isn't it?"

The presence of lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit unless otherwise marked, at that time it was otherwise marked, as a 40mph limit, now it is not, making the presence of the lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit.
''The presence of lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit unless otherwise marked, at that time it was otherwise marked, as a 40mph limit, now it is not, making the presence of the lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit.''

hey, that's what it says in the hiway code too read the hiway code -6 thumbs downs exactly what Gillian says is correct

even if you own a push bike like me, you need to know about road signs
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: Cornwall Councillor Judith Haycock said "the lamp posts automatically mean it a 30mph" "Funny how the lamp posts were still there when it was 40mph though isn't it?" The presence of lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit unless otherwise marked, at that time it was otherwise marked, as a 40mph limit, now it is not, making the presence of the lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit.[/p][/quote]''The presence of lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit unless otherwise marked, at that time it was otherwise marked, as a 40mph limit, now it is not, making the presence of the lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit.'' hey, that's what it says in the hiway code too read the hiway code -6 thumbs downs exactly what Gillian says is correct even if you own a push bike like me, you need to know about road signs miss perfect
  • Score: -3

6:23pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

miss perfect wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
Cornwall Councillor Judith Haycock said "the lamp posts automatically mean it a 30mph" "Funny how the lamp posts were still there when it was 40mph though isn't it?"

The presence of lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit unless otherwise marked, at that time it was otherwise marked, as a 40mph limit, now it is not, making the presence of the lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit.
''The presence of lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit unless otherwise marked, at that time it was otherwise marked, as a 40mph limit, now it is not, making the presence of the lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit.''

hey, that's what it says in the hiway code too read the hiway code -6 thumbs downs exactly what Gillian says is correct

even if you own a push bike like me, you need to know about road signs
I am not responsible for all your thumbs down. I suggest you may have received them because of your spelling of Highway Code.
[quote][p][bold]miss perfect[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: Cornwall Councillor Judith Haycock said "the lamp posts automatically mean it a 30mph" "Funny how the lamp posts were still there when it was 40mph though isn't it?" The presence of lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit unless otherwise marked, at that time it was otherwise marked, as a 40mph limit, now it is not, making the presence of the lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit.[/p][/quote]''The presence of lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit unless otherwise marked, at that time it was otherwise marked, as a 40mph limit, now it is not, making the presence of the lamp posts indicate it is a 30mph limit.'' hey, that's what it says in the hiway code too read the hiway code -6 thumbs downs exactly what Gillian says is correct even if you own a push bike like me, you need to know about road signs[/p][/quote]I am not responsible for all your thumbs down. I suggest you may have received them because of your spelling of Highway Code. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 5

8:58pm Thu 30 Jan 14

CornwallVistor says...

In Trevone village on the north coast, Cornwall council has placed 30 repeater signs within a street lit area and have chosen not to do anything about them when its been pointed out to them.
In Trevone village on the north coast, Cornwall council has placed 30 repeater signs within a street lit area and have chosen not to do anything about them when its been pointed out to them. CornwallVistor
  • Score: 6

9:25pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

CornwallVistor wrote:
In Trevone village on the north coast, Cornwall council has placed 30 repeater signs within a street lit area and have chosen not to do anything about them when its been pointed out to them.
That is interesting, I think the Cornwall Councillor for that area is Councillor Richard Buscumbe, I wonder why he hasn't taken it up! Perhaps it is something Councillor Judith Haycock in Helston could query maybe, Just a thought!
[quote][p][bold]CornwallVistor[/bold] wrote: In Trevone village on the north coast, Cornwall council has placed 30 repeater signs within a street lit area and have chosen not to do anything about them when its been pointed out to them.[/p][/quote]That is interesting, I think the Cornwall Councillor for that area is Councillor Richard Buscumbe, I wonder why he hasn't taken it up! Perhaps it is something Councillor Judith Haycock in Helston could query maybe, Just a thought! Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 6

7:02am Fri 31 Jan 14

miss perfect says...

I read in another newspaper yesterday that schools may soon open at 9 in the morning and close at 6 with only 6 weeks holiday all year
shame if that was like it when I was at school my spelling may have been better
I was really upset at being shown up here about my spelling and my granny told me to use spellchecker which I am doing so hope my post doesn't offend anybody this morning
its terrible apparently all over they are changing the speed limite on lots of roads so be safe and keep reading the highway code for safety and keep reading the packet comments to be educated and entertained, got to go go to be early for work this morning
I read in another newspaper yesterday that schools may soon open at 9 in the morning and close at 6 with only 6 weeks holiday all year shame if that was like it when I was at school my spelling may have been better I was really upset at being shown up here about my spelling and my granny told me to use spellchecker which I am doing so hope my post doesn't offend anybody this morning its terrible apparently all over they are changing the speed limite on lots of roads so be safe and keep reading the highway code for safety and keep reading the packet comments to be educated and entertained, got to go go to be early for work this morning miss perfect
  • Score: -1

9:08am Fri 31 Jan 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

I don't think you offended anyone dear with your spelling, only maybe rudeness or sarcasm and keep thumbing everyone down for no real reason.
It is a nice comment you have left this morning though and I agree about the Highway Code.
I don't think you offended anyone dear with your spelling, only maybe rudeness or sarcasm and keep thumbing everyone down for no real reason. It is a nice comment you have left this morning though and I agree about the Highway Code. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 5

9:14am Fri 31 Jan 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Gillian is Cllr Haycock a Cornwall Cllr and town Cllr? Is she any good? She doesn't seem to have managed to get 30 limit signs for Meneage Rd.
Gillian is Cllr Haycock a Cornwall Cllr and town Cllr? Is she any good? She doesn't seem to have managed to get 30 limit signs for Meneage Rd. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 5

9:37am Fri 31 Jan 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Gillian is Cllr Haycock a Cornwall Cllr and town Cllr? Is she any good? She doesn't seem to have managed to get 30 limit signs for Meneage Rd.
Councillor Judith Haycock is not a Town Councillor and yes she is a very good Cornwall Councillor, and there is little she can do about 30limit signs if it is illegal to install more.
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: Gillian is Cllr Haycock a Cornwall Cllr and town Cllr? Is she any good? She doesn't seem to have managed to get 30 limit signs for Meneage Rd.[/p][/quote]Councillor Judith Haycock is not a Town Councillor and yes she is a very good Cornwall Councillor, and there is little she can do about 30limit signs if it is illegal to install more. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 7

9:54am Fri 31 Jan 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

miss perfect wrote:
I read in another newspaper yesterday that schools may soon open at 9 in the morning and close at 6 with only 6 weeks holiday all year
shame if that was like it when I was at school my spelling may have been better
I was really upset at being shown up here about my spelling and my granny told me to use spellchecker which I am doing so hope my post doesn't offend anybody this morning
its terrible apparently all over they are changing the speed limite on lots of roads so be safe and keep reading the highway code for safety and keep reading the packet comments to be educated and entertained, got to go go to be early for work this morning
I personally was not offended by your spelling at all, I would not judge anyone by their spelling, more so on their honesty and kindness.

Yes you are right, they have changed many of the speed limits on the roads, so people will need to be observant.
[quote][p][bold]miss perfect[/bold] wrote: I read in another newspaper yesterday that schools may soon open at 9 in the morning and close at 6 with only 6 weeks holiday all year shame if that was like it when I was at school my spelling may have been better I was really upset at being shown up here about my spelling and my granny told me to use spellchecker which I am doing so hope my post doesn't offend anybody this morning its terrible apparently all over they are changing the speed limite on lots of roads so be safe and keep reading the highway code for safety and keep reading the packet comments to be educated and entertained, got to go go to be early for work this morning[/p][/quote]I personally was not offended by your spelling at all, I would not judge anyone by their spelling, more so on their honesty and kindness. Yes you are right, they have changed many of the speed limits on the roads, so people will need to be observant. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 8

10:07am Fri 31 Jan 14

meerkats says...

miss perfect wrote:
I read in another newspaper yesterday that schools may soon open at 9 in the morning and close at 6 with only 6 weeks holiday all year
shame if that was like it when I was at school my spelling may have been better
I was really upset at being shown up here about my spelling and my granny told me to use spellchecker which I am doing so hope my post doesn't offend anybody this morning
its terrible apparently all over they are changing the speed limite on lots of roads so be safe and keep reading the highway code for safety and keep reading the packet comments to be educated and entertained, got to go go to be early for work this morning
Most of us make spelling or other mistakes on here from time to time, dont think anyone was trying to show you up, but it has been said that yours and Rons spelling was very similar hence thinking you were the same person. you are correct about speed limit changes in many areas and i think a lot of drivers who use them on a regular basis arent actually aware and drive as they always have done. More should be done initially to make drivers aware and maybe people should read their highway code books every so often just to refresh their memories .
[quote][p][bold]miss perfect[/bold] wrote: I read in another newspaper yesterday that schools may soon open at 9 in the morning and close at 6 with only 6 weeks holiday all year shame if that was like it when I was at school my spelling may have been better I was really upset at being shown up here about my spelling and my granny told me to use spellchecker which I am doing so hope my post doesn't offend anybody this morning its terrible apparently all over they are changing the speed limite on lots of roads so be safe and keep reading the highway code for safety and keep reading the packet comments to be educated and entertained, got to go go to be early for work this morning[/p][/quote]Most of us make spelling or other mistakes on here from time to time, dont think anyone was trying to show you up, but it has been said that yours and Rons spelling was very similar hence thinking you were the same person. you are correct about speed limit changes in many areas and i think a lot of drivers who use them on a regular basis arent actually aware and drive as they always have done. More should be done initially to make drivers aware and maybe people should read their highway code books every so often just to refresh their memories . meerkats
  • Score: 7

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