Removable converted shipping container plan for Kynance Cove

Falmouth Packet: Removable converted shipping container plan for Kynance Cove Removable converted shipping container plan for Kynance Cove

Recycled shipping containers could be placed at Kynance Cove as converted toilets and office space.

The National Trust is behind the plan, working alongside design firm Boex of Porthleven.

Writing on a recent blog the trust said: “For those of you who’ve visited Kynance Cove in the last few years you may have noticed recently that the toilet block and car park huts are looking a little worn out and in need of updating, so we've put together a new plan for those buildings.”

The trust took over the car park at Kynance in the 1980s, when there were several buildings including a hotel. These were later demolished as the National Trust concentrated on improving the landscape, the damage that erosion had caused around the upper areas of the car park and improving the visitor access to the beach.

These days there are very few manmade additions to the landscape, aside from the two car park huts and the old council toilet block.

The trust took on responsibility for the toilet block in 2005 and said it now wants to improve facilities.

“We aim to use recycled shipping containers to replace these buildings this year and provide new up to date toilet facilities and visitor information.

“The containers are designed to be entirely transportable units, which can be lifted off site at the end of the tourist season to leave the car park landscape completely building free,” it is added on the blog.

The aim is for two 20ft containers to sit in the position of the current facilities and huts.

The project has been recently dubbed “Kybox” and is being led by visitor services and enterprises manager Layla Astley, who said: “We were looking for a solution that would enable us to move buildings out of the car park each year and relieve the pressure on the landscape. The idea came when I was looking out to sea one day and realised how many cargo ships use the Lizard as an important landmark – it just seemed to fit perfectly.”

Sam Boex said: “The project itself is going to be an exciting, forward thinking challenge due to the environmental sensitivity of the area and the fact the facilities will be portable.

“The key for us is to create facilities that will be iconic to Kynance Cove but sit sensitively within the landscape.”

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10:29am Tue 4 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

What exactly is classed as "the end of the tourist season" ? We seem to have tourists all year round and I thought an extended "tourist season" was something to be encouraged. Are we the only county that tries to extend the tourist season but then closes all the toilets?
What exactly is classed as "the end of the tourist season" ? We seem to have tourists all year round and I thought an extended "tourist season" was something to be encouraged. Are we the only county that tries to extend the tourist season but then closes all the toilets? Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 9

11:35am Tue 4 Feb 14

miss perfect says...

If you ask the b and b owners.the hotel owners.the campsite owners and the holiday cottage owners for the weeks in the year when they are the busiest and when people stop coming in big numbers that will give you a clue Gillian as to when they think the end of the tourist season is

it takes an organisation like the national trust to think of this good idea.do you think the hardpressed councils could copy this in a similar way? Sounds clever to me
If you ask the b and b owners.the hotel owners.the campsite owners and the holiday cottage owners for the weeks in the year when they are the busiest and when people stop coming in big numbers that will give you a clue Gillian as to when they think the end of the tourist season is it takes an organisation like the national trust to think of this good idea.do you think the hardpressed councils could copy this in a similar way? Sounds clever to me miss perfect
  • Score: -4

11:39am Tue 4 Feb 14

miss perfect says...

The problem as we all know is that money isnot there to keep seasonal things open 365/24/7
The problem as we all know is that money isnot there to keep seasonal things open 365/24/7 miss perfect
  • Score: -2

1:25pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

I do not need to ask local tourist accommodation owners when the end of the season is, it is obvious there are high and low season times, these are reflected in the varying prices, the point is, there is no actual end of tourism, only the other day when I was in the Harbour inn Porthleven some holiday makers booked in, and my local hotels have guests now as do many others.

I would see little point in local councils paying to demolish their toilets just to replace with 'containers' and having the expense of transporting them backwards and forwards when they can just close their current toilets when they so wish. Kynance Cove is a completely different situation, it is not a town or village and is not council owned. It would cost the council for storage and in addition to which some toilets are situated in areas of outstanding natural beauty or conservation areas and the building design has to be considered.
I do not need to ask local tourist accommodation owners when the end of the season is, it is obvious there are high and low season times, these are reflected in the varying prices, the point is, there is no actual end of tourism, only the other day when I was in the Harbour inn Porthleven some holiday makers booked in, and my local hotels have guests now as do many others. I would see little point in local councils paying to demolish their toilets just to replace with 'containers' and having the expense of transporting them backwards and forwards when they can just close their current toilets when they so wish. Kynance Cove is a completely different situation, it is not a town or village and is not council owned. It would cost the council for storage and in addition to which some toilets are situated in areas of outstanding natural beauty or conservation areas and the building design has to be considered. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 2

1:51pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

miss perfect wrote:
The problem as we all know is that money isnot there to keep seasonal things open 365/24/7
This is debatable because Helston are raising their precept and are still jee
[quote][p][bold]miss perfect[/bold] wrote: The problem as we all know is that money isnot there to keep seasonal things open 365/24/7[/p][/quote]This is debatable because Helston are raising their precept and are still jee Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 1

1:57pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

miss perfect wrote:
The problem as we all know is that money isnot there to keep seasonal things open 365/24/7
Sorry about last post I dropped my phone.

This is debatable because Helston are raising their precept and are keeping two toilets open all year and yet Mullion are raising their precept and are only keeping one toilet open all year, as locals pay the council tax, locals should at least benefit in a small way from the increase. Many locals use Mullion Harbour all year and the toilet there is closed, when Cornwall Council had control it was open all year.
[quote][p][bold]miss perfect[/bold] wrote: The problem as we all know is that money isnot there to keep seasonal things open 365/24/7[/p][/quote]Sorry about last post I dropped my phone. This is debatable because Helston are raising their precept and are keeping two toilets open all year and yet Mullion are raising their precept and are only keeping one toilet open all year, as locals pay the council tax, locals should at least benefit in a small way from the increase. Many locals use Mullion Harbour all year and the toilet there is closed, when Cornwall Council had control it was open all year. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 1

7:20am Wed 5 Feb 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

miss perfect wrote:
The problem as we all know is that money isnot there to keep seasonal things open 365/24/7
Toilets are not seasonal, people need toilets all year round, fact, we have visitors all year round, and we have locals living here all year round and if Helston can manage it so should villages. Whats the point in putting up council tax for locals to have to pay just to provide services for holidaymakers in the summer. Maybe if they cut back on Cornwall Cllr allowances they could have afforded to kept more toilets open, it's disgusting theres not one toilet open in Porthleven.
What the NT are doing at Kynance works there because its NT the cafe is closed in winter anyway and it's not in the middle of town.
[quote][p][bold]miss perfect[/bold] wrote: The problem as we all know is that money isnot there to keep seasonal things open 365/24/7[/p][/quote]Toilets are not seasonal, people need toilets all year round, fact, we have visitors all year round, and we have locals living here all year round and if Helston can manage it so should villages. Whats the point in putting up council tax for locals to have to pay just to provide services for holidaymakers in the summer. Maybe if they cut back on Cornwall Cllr allowances they could have afforded to kept more toilets open, it's disgusting theres not one toilet open in Porthleven. What the NT are doing at Kynance works there because its NT the cafe is closed in winter anyway and it's not in the middle of town. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 6

7:53am Wed 5 Feb 14

Ian Bennett says...

I suggested some time ago that I, as a regular visitor to Cornwall, would be happy to pay to use toilet facilities, and that I thought it unfair that they should be funded by council tax because the people paying that tax are not, generally, the ones benefitting from the facilities. Now Gillian says, "As locals pay the council tax, locals should at least benefit in a small way from the increase. Many locals use Mullion Harbour all year and the toilet there is closed." The problem is, in my view, the separation of "paying" from "using". Keeping tax-funded toilets open all year would not necessarily benefit local residents, whereas keeping "pay as you go" toilets open all year would benefit those who use them, residents and visitors alike.
I suggested some time ago that I, as a regular visitor to Cornwall, would be happy to pay to use toilet facilities, and that I thought it unfair that they should be funded by council tax because the people paying that tax are not, generally, the ones benefitting from the facilities. Now Gillian says, "As locals pay the council tax, locals should at least benefit in a small way from the increase. Many locals use Mullion Harbour all year and the toilet there is closed." The problem is, in my view, the separation of "paying" from "using". Keeping tax-funded toilets open all year would not necessarily benefit local residents, whereas keeping "pay as you go" toilets open all year would benefit those who use them, residents and visitors alike. Ian Bennett
  • Score: -1

9:29am Wed 5 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Ian Bennett wrote:
I suggested some time ago that I, as a regular visitor to Cornwall, would be happy to pay to use toilet facilities, and that I thought it unfair that they should be funded by council tax because the people paying that tax are not, generally, the ones benefitting from the facilities. Now Gillian says, "As locals pay the council tax, locals should at least benefit in a small way from the increase. Many locals use Mullion Harbour all year and the toilet there is closed." The problem is, in my view, the separation of "paying" from "using". Keeping tax-funded toilets open all year would not necessarily benefit local residents, whereas keeping "pay as you go" toilets open all year would benefit those who use them, residents and visitors alike.
Yes I understand your point but think the installation of payment systems into many local village and town toilets is just not practical due to space limitations, Falmouth fell short of disability access when they tried this and had to remove the barriers. Coin boxes on individual toilets are always prone to theft. I have no objection to paying for public toilets in council tax, what I object to is we were told the raise in precept was for the take over and upkeep of toilets, and then they close one of the most well used yearly ones on a seasonal basis, whereas in Helston they raise their precept to maintain transferred services and keep those transferred services open all year.
[quote][p][bold]Ian Bennett[/bold] wrote: I suggested some time ago that I, as a regular visitor to Cornwall, would be happy to pay to use toilet facilities, and that I thought it unfair that they should be funded by council tax because the people paying that tax are not, generally, the ones benefitting from the facilities. Now Gillian says, "As locals pay the council tax, locals should at least benefit in a small way from the increase. Many locals use Mullion Harbour all year and the toilet there is closed." The problem is, in my view, the separation of "paying" from "using". Keeping tax-funded toilets open all year would not necessarily benefit local residents, whereas keeping "pay as you go" toilets open all year would benefit those who use them, residents and visitors alike.[/p][/quote]Yes I understand your point but think the installation of payment systems into many local village and town toilets is just not practical due to space limitations, Falmouth fell short of disability access when they tried this and had to remove the barriers. Coin boxes on individual toilets are always prone to theft. I have no objection to paying for public toilets in council tax, what I object to is we were told the raise in precept was for the take over and upkeep of toilets, and then they close one of the most well used yearly ones on a seasonal basis, whereas in Helston they raise their precept to maintain transferred services and keep those transferred services open all year. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 3

9:38am Wed 5 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Incidentally, if you start charging individually for parish and town provided services, where would they draw line, I could say I do not use the cemetery but am paying for its upkeep in the parish precept.
Incidentally, if you start charging individually for parish and town provided services, where would they draw line, I could say I do not use the cemetery but am paying for its upkeep in the parish precept. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 3

10:19am Wed 5 Feb 14

miss perfect says...

No matter i a fewf viisitors are here every day some services like toilets dont open.When i been to mullio cove in winter cant say ive seen hordes of mullion residents the oddfew ive seen look like visitors with camaras round there necks
No matter i a fewf viisitors are here every day some services like toilets dont open.When i been to mullio cove in winter cant say ive seen hordes of mullion residents the oddfew ive seen look like visitors with camaras round there necks miss perfect
  • Score: -1

10:44am Wed 5 Feb 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

So if you need hordes of people to justify a necessity of a toilet then how long will It be before they close doctors surgeries on the days they don't have hordes of people with prebooked appointments.
So if you need hordes of people to justify a necessity of a toilet then how long will It be before they close doctors surgeries on the days they don't have hordes of people with prebooked appointments. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 5

10:52am Wed 5 Feb 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Anyway, if the people of Mullion were lead to believe they were retaining the full original services when they were transferred and that's what they were paying extras for, then that's what they should get. I would complain if having put the council tax up in Helston we didn't get the same services we get now that were transferred.
Anyway, if the people of Mullion were lead to believe they were retaining the full original services when they were transferred and that's what they were paying extras for, then that's what they should get. I would complain if having put the council tax up in Helston we didn't get the same services we get now that were transferred. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 5

2:25pm Wed 5 Feb 14

miss perfect says...

Lets just pretend that wr are governd by common sense
i know if i had a building which cost me thousands of pounds to keep and hardly nobody used it for 6 montjs of the year then i wouldnt open it at times when empty
Then if people need to use it at less busy times so as to do that you have to chsrge everybody one penny all year round then it can open 365.
My granny calls it spending a penny and she says theres nothing new under the sun only that it costs 10p to pee today and problem solved,and i havent got any O levels
Lets just pretend that wr are governd by common sense i know if i had a building which cost me thousands of pounds to keep and hardly nobody used it for 6 montjs of the year then i wouldnt open it at times when empty Then if people need to use it at less busy times so as to do that you have to chsrge everybody one penny all year round then it can open 365. My granny calls it spending a penny and she says theres nothing new under the sun only that it costs 10p to pee today and problem solved,and i havent got any O levels miss perfect
  • Score: -1

2:51pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

miss perfect wrote:
Lets just pretend that wr are governd by common sense
i know if i had a building which cost me thousands of pounds to keep and hardly nobody used it for 6 montjs of the year then i wouldnt open it at times when empty
Then if people need to use it at less busy times so as to do that you have to chsrge everybody one penny all year round then it can open 365.
My granny calls it spending a penny and she says theres nothing new under the sun only that it costs 10p to pee today and problem solved,and i havent got any O levels
Years ago there was not the same health and safety laws or disability awareness, with many of the existing toilets there is no space available in which to fit barriers and still cater for those with disabilities and coin boxes on toilet doors are renowned for malfunctioning or being broken into, the car-park boxes in many places already suffer theft of this kind. If the councils thought it was a finically viable and disability friendly option they would have done so, the fact that they have not tells me something.
[quote][p][bold]miss perfect[/bold] wrote: Lets just pretend that wr are governd by common sense i know if i had a building which cost me thousands of pounds to keep and hardly nobody used it for 6 montjs of the year then i wouldnt open it at times when empty Then if people need to use it at less busy times so as to do that you have to chsrge everybody one penny all year round then it can open 365. My granny calls it spending a penny and she says theres nothing new under the sun only that it costs 10p to pee today and problem solved,and i havent got any O levels[/p][/quote]Years ago there was not the same health and safety laws or disability awareness, with many of the existing toilets there is no space available in which to fit barriers and still cater for those with disabilities and coin boxes on toilet doors are renowned for malfunctioning or being broken into, the car-park boxes in many places already suffer theft of this kind. If the councils thought it was a finically viable and disability friendly option they would have done so, the fact that they have not tells me something. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 3

3:05pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

miss perfect wrote:
Lets just pretend that wr are governd by common sense
i know if i had a building which cost me thousands of pounds to keep and hardly nobody used it for 6 montjs of the year then i wouldnt open it at times when empty
Then if people need to use it at less busy times so as to do that you have to chsrge everybody one penny all year round then it can open 365.
My granny calls it spending a penny and she says theres nothing new under the sun only that it costs 10p to pee today and problem solved,and i havent got any O levels
You said you were 25 before, so you wouldn't have any O levels, they went out years ago, when you were school age they didn't exist!!!!!

As for common sense, yes well its a good thing we have a local council with common sense and that is not archaic, how long do think your coin boxes would last these days! They would be constantly mending or replacing them.
[quote][p][bold]miss perfect[/bold] wrote: Lets just pretend that wr are governd by common sense i know if i had a building which cost me thousands of pounds to keep and hardly nobody used it for 6 montjs of the year then i wouldnt open it at times when empty Then if people need to use it at less busy times so as to do that you have to chsrge everybody one penny all year round then it can open 365. My granny calls it spending a penny and she says theres nothing new under the sun only that it costs 10p to pee today and problem solved,and i havent got any O levels[/p][/quote]You said you were 25 before, so you wouldn't have any O levels, they went out years ago, when you were school age they didn't exist!!!!! As for common sense, yes well its a good thing we have a local council with common sense and that is not archaic, how long do think your coin boxes would last these days! They would be constantly mending or replacing them. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 2

7:25pm Wed 5 Feb 14

miss perfect says...

two things FOTW
Ten years ago I was at school in Singapore and I am sure that's what we called exams, never mind.

I never said anythink about coin boxes,you did
more up to date ways of paying could be used like a swipe card or such thing and why try to make it hard for disabled just alter the buildings and get off with the red tape
there are too many people in councils who just do red tape. its time that stopped too costing taxpayers money
the kynance toilets are a good idea soon to be put into place by good people
two things FOTW Ten years ago I was at school in Singapore and I am sure that's what we called exams, never mind. I never said anythink about coin boxes,you did more up to date ways of paying could be used like a swipe card or such thing and why try to make it hard for disabled just alter the buildings and get off with the red tape there are too many people in councils who just do red tape. its time that stopped too costing taxpayers money the kynance toilets are a good idea soon to be put into place by good people miss perfect
  • Score: -2

7:37pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Altering many local toilets is not an option, they are in conservation areas and areas of outstanding natural beauty and cannot just be altered, take Trengrouse Way for example, recently the conservation officer would not even allow the removal of one wing wall from the toilets.
Altering many local toilets is not an option, they are in conservation areas and areas of outstanding natural beauty and cannot just be altered, take Trengrouse Way for example, recently the conservation officer would not even allow the removal of one wing wall from the toilets. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 2

7:48pm Wed 5 Feb 14

miss perfect says...

very good point Gillian, but they allow the most modern looking building which has vw cars just across the road.wonder where the line is drawn on the conservation area. area of outstanding beauty? helston ? lolo
very good point Gillian, but they allow the most modern looking building which has vw cars just across the road.wonder where the line is drawn on the conservation area. area of outstanding beauty? helston ? lolo miss perfect
  • Score: -1

8:37pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

They extended the conservation area twice, as far as I know the building to which you refer is in the conservation area, however, it is not so much about not allowing modern buildings but more so conserving ancient buildings and those with specific architectural features, not quite sure though how Trengrouse toilet wall quite fits in to all this or how it would be visually detrimental to its surroundings to remove it!
They extended the conservation area twice, as far as I know the building to which you refer is in the conservation area, however, it is not so much about not allowing modern buildings but more so conserving ancient buildings and those with specific architectural features, not quite sure though how Trengrouse toilet wall quite fits in to all this or how it would be visually detrimental to its surroundings to remove it! Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 1

8:40pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Makes me wonder what would happen if a bulldozer accidentally ran into it and knocked that one wall down, would they rebuild it in keeping I wonder, or not bother with the expense!
Makes me wonder what would happen if a bulldozer accidentally ran into it and knocked that one wall down, would they rebuild it in keeping I wonder, or not bother with the expense! Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 1

8:05am Thu 6 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

I do wonder if the NT car-park charge will be increased at Kynance, to pay for the new containers.
I do wonder if the NT car-park charge will be increased at Kynance, to pay for the new containers. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 1

4:26pm Thu 6 Feb 14

miss perfect says...

Services have got to be paid for but from who ?
that is the question.something for nothing is not the answef
Services have got to be paid for but from who ? that is the question.something for nothing is not the answef miss perfect
  • Score: -2

4:48pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

I wouldn't exactly say you were getting something for nothing, a parking space for about £5 on a bit of land on a cliff top and a toilet you might not even use.
I wouldn't exactly say you were getting something for nothing, a parking space for about £5 on a bit of land on a cliff top and a toilet you might not even use. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 3

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