Plan to demolish Lizard Point cafe and build home

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Planning permission is being sought to demolish the Wave Crest Cafe at Lizard Point and replace it with a new home and integral garage.

The cafe has been described as a “mediocre building in an area of outstanding natural beauty” which occupies a site within the heritage coastline.

Architect and agent Gerry Whitehall says in support of the application: “Being a prominent site in an area of outstanding natural beauty and coupled with the structural defective nature and poor design inherent in the existing building, it follows that a new building will improve this landmark site both through its design and material sustainability.

The proposed new house would have three bedrooms and two parking spaces.

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9:34am Mon 10 Feb 14

Jeremy Bentham says...

Disgusting proposal - hope the council treats this with the contempt it deserves.
Lizard Point is not going to become some rich man's back garden - it's a national landmark and tourist magnet, and the cafe is an essential part of a visitor's experience.
"mediocre building"? Architect-speak for 'charming, quaint, characterful, modest and delightful'. Property developers and millionaires - take a running jump.
Great cafe, great food, great views and lovely staff!
Petition anyone?
Disgusting proposal - hope the council treats this with the contempt it deserves. Lizard Point is not going to become some rich man's back garden - it's a national landmark and tourist magnet, and the cafe is an essential part of a visitor's experience. "mediocre building"? Architect-speak for 'charming, quaint, characterful, modest and delightful'. Property developers and millionaires - take a running jump. Great cafe, great food, great views and lovely staff! Petition anyone? Jeremy Bentham
  • Score: 0

11:43am Mon 10 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

I suppose the Wave Crest cafe has competition with Polpeor cafe at the point, perhaps it is no longer financially sustainable. It must cost quite a bit for deliveries to the point, seems a shame though.
I suppose the Wave Crest cafe has competition with Polpeor cafe at the point, perhaps it is no longer financially sustainable. It must cost quite a bit for deliveries to the point, seems a shame though. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 10

12:33pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Both those cafes are expensive, wouldn't think it would pay two of them to be there anymore especially with the cheaper cafes up in the village. The other one nearest to the point that will be remaining I think is the best anyway. There is already private properties at the point, a bungalow etc.
Both those cafes are expensive, wouldn't think it would pay two of them to be there anymore especially with the cheaper cafes up in the village. The other one nearest to the point that will be remaining I think is the best anyway. There is already private properties at the point, a bungalow etc. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 0

5:08pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Jeremy Bentham says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
I suppose the Wave Crest cafe has competition with Polpeor cafe at the point, perhaps it is no longer financially sustainable. It must cost quite a bit for deliveries to the point, seems a shame though.
It would be tempting for any cafe to sell up at the insane prices some would pay for a plot like that.
It doesn't mean the cafe isn't a viable business - and it definitely doesn't mean it it should be allowed.
Btw. I ate there for the first time on Saturday, and it was NOT expensive -as another has claimed.
(R.Pittam, St Ives)
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: I suppose the Wave Crest cafe has competition with Polpeor cafe at the point, perhaps it is no longer financially sustainable. It must cost quite a bit for deliveries to the point, seems a shame though.[/p][/quote]It would be tempting for any cafe to sell up at the insane prices some would pay for a plot like that. It doesn't mean the cafe isn't a viable business - and it definitely doesn't mean it it should be allowed. Btw. I ate there for the first time on Saturday, and it was NOT expensive -as another has claimed. (R.Pittam, St Ives) Jeremy Bentham
  • Score: 1

5:27pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Jeremy Bentham wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
I suppose the Wave Crest cafe has competition with Polpeor cafe at the point, perhaps it is no longer financially sustainable. It must cost quite a bit for deliveries to the point, seems a shame though.
It would be tempting for any cafe to sell up at the insane prices some would pay for a plot like that.
It doesn't mean the cafe isn't a viable business - and it definitely doesn't mean it it should be allowed.
Btw. I ate there for the first time on Saturday, and it was NOT expensive -as another has claimed.
(R.Pittam, St Ives)
You are right of course, if the price is high enough many things become favourably saleable. Personally I prefer the cafes in the Lizard village but obviously a cafe down at the point is the choice of many.
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Bentham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: I suppose the Wave Crest cafe has competition with Polpeor cafe at the point, perhaps it is no longer financially sustainable. It must cost quite a bit for deliveries to the point, seems a shame though.[/p][/quote]It would be tempting for any cafe to sell up at the insane prices some would pay for a plot like that. It doesn't mean the cafe isn't a viable business - and it definitely doesn't mean it it should be allowed. Btw. I ate there for the first time on Saturday, and it was NOT expensive -as another has claimed. (R.Pittam, St Ives)[/p][/quote]You are right of course, if the price is high enough many things become favourably saleable. Personally I prefer the cafes in the Lizard village but obviously a cafe down at the point is the choice of many. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 11

9:18am Tue 11 Feb 14

telstar1962 says...

Wave Crest has been a derelict building for a long time, and I presume where you ate last Sunday was Polpeor Cafe.

The alternative to total renovation of Wave Crest as a dwelling, from its current dilapidated state, would be to spend a fortune on rebuilding it as a Cafe, in the hope that it could attract enough customers buying light meals and cups of tea, when there are about 10 other such establishments in the Lizard/Lizard Village vicinity which adequately cater for that trade

The owner is obviously not willing to take the chance on it, and is persuing his right to apply for the next best thing. Permission has recently been given for another cafe/barn/building, off the beaten track called Hidden Lizard, which couldn't compete with all the other cafes, to convert to a dwelling, so this is hardly something new which is happening

As long as the building is set well back,designed in keeping with the surroundings,and the recent cliff collapses will not affect the home, then I do not see what the problem is

I thought there was a demand for more housing in Cornwall, but not at the Lizard ?
Wave Crest has been a derelict building for a long time, and I presume where you ate last Sunday was Polpeor Cafe. The alternative to total renovation of Wave Crest as a dwelling, from its current dilapidated state, would be to spend a fortune on rebuilding it as a Cafe, in the hope that it could attract enough customers buying light meals and cups of tea, when there are about 10 other such establishments in the Lizard/Lizard Village vicinity which adequately cater for that trade The owner is obviously not willing to take the chance on it, and is persuing his right to apply for the next best thing. Permission has recently been given for another cafe/barn/building, off the beaten track called Hidden Lizard, which couldn't compete with all the other cafes, to convert to a dwelling, so this is hardly something new which is happening As long as the building is set well back,designed in keeping with the surroundings,and the recent cliff collapses will not affect the home, then I do not see what the problem is I thought there was a demand for more housing in Cornwall, but not at the Lizard ? telstar1962
  • Score: 7

9:22am Tue 11 Feb 14

Ian Bennett says...

I'm not sure how "Jeremy Bentham" can describe the cafe as "an essential part of a visitor's experience"; I have visited Lizard Point countless times and have never used it. In any event, if visitors do regard a cafe as essential, there is another available.

A price which is offered and accepted voluntarily can hardly be "insane", and the fact that a business is viable - assuming it actually is - does not mean that the owner is obliged to continue running it. Surely he has the right to dispose of his property as he sees fit, to suit his owns desires, even though this may not serve the greatest need of the greatest number, as Jeremy Bentham's namesake would require.
I'm not sure how "Jeremy Bentham" can describe the cafe as "an essential part of a visitor's experience"; I have visited Lizard Point countless times and have never used it. In any event, if visitors do regard a cafe as essential, there is another available. A price which is offered and accepted voluntarily can hardly be "insane", and the fact that a business is viable - assuming it actually is - does not mean that the owner is obliged to continue running it. Surely he has the right to dispose of his property as he sees fit, to suit his owns desires, even though this may not serve the greatest need of the greatest number, as Jeremy Bentham's namesake would require. Ian Bennett
  • Score: 3

11:35am Tue 11 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Wave Crest has been a derelict building for a long time, and I presume where you ate last Sunday was Polpeor Cafe.

The alternative to total renovation of Wave Crest as a dwelling, from its current dilapidated state, would be to spend a fortune on rebuilding it as a Cafe, in the hope that it could attract enough customers buying light meals and cups of tea, when there are about 10 other such establishments in the Lizard/Lizard Village vicinity which adequately cater for that trade

The owner is obviously not willing to take the chance on it, and is persuing his right to apply for the next best thing. Permission has recently been given for another cafe/barn/building, off the beaten track called Hidden Lizard, which couldn't compete with all the other cafes, to convert to a dwelling, so this is hardly something new which is happening

As long as the building is set well back,designed in keeping with the surroundings,and the recent cliff collapses will not affect the home, then I do not see what the problem is

I thought there was a demand for more housing in Cornwall, but not at the Lizard ?
Unless you are privileged with information that others of us may not have, I think you may mean where JB eat last Saturday not last Sunday as you state, :) nice to see you posting telstar.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Wave Crest has been a derelict building for a long time, and I presume where you ate last Sunday was Polpeor Cafe. The alternative to total renovation of Wave Crest as a dwelling, from its current dilapidated state, would be to spend a fortune on rebuilding it as a Cafe, in the hope that it could attract enough customers buying light meals and cups of tea, when there are about 10 other such establishments in the Lizard/Lizard Village vicinity which adequately cater for that trade The owner is obviously not willing to take the chance on it, and is persuing his right to apply for the next best thing. Permission has recently been given for another cafe/barn/building, off the beaten track called Hidden Lizard, which couldn't compete with all the other cafes, to convert to a dwelling, so this is hardly something new which is happening As long as the building is set well back,designed in keeping with the surroundings,and the recent cliff collapses will not affect the home, then I do not see what the problem is I thought there was a demand for more housing in Cornwall, but not at the Lizard ?[/p][/quote]Unless you are privileged with information that others of us may not have, I think you may mean where JB eat last Saturday not last Sunday as you state, :) nice to see you posting telstar. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 11

2:09pm Tue 11 Feb 14

telstar1962 says...

Hello Gillian, yes, a mistake after I had posted it, I knew you may have spotted
It proves who is reading this, but it seems to me that some of the people who have commented on this, and possibly yourself, haven't visited this precise location for a long time

Two of you are writing as if Wave Café is still trading, and it certainly is not It has been closed and boarded up for a long time, and this in turn makes Polpeor an even better financial proposition for its owner
Hello Gillian, yes, a mistake after I had posted it, I knew you may have spotted It proves who is reading this, but it seems to me that some of the people who have commented on this, and possibly yourself, haven't visited this precise location for a long time Two of you are writing as if Wave Café is still trading, and it certainly is not It has been closed and boarded up for a long time, and this in turn makes Polpeor an even better financial proposition for its owner telstar1962
  • Score: 6

3:08pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Hello Gillian, yes, a mistake after I had posted it, I knew you may have spotted
It proves who is reading this, but it seems to me that some of the people who have commented on this, and possibly yourself, haven't visited this precise location for a long time

Two of you are writing as if Wave Café is still trading, and it certainly is not It has been closed and boarded up for a long time, and this in turn makes Polpeor an even better financial proposition for its owner
No one told me it had closed, no wonder I was sitting there so long waiting to be served! Seriously though, the last time I was there was September 12th and I can't say I noticed anything different about Wave cafe, it always struck me as looking a little derelict anyway, had a nice cake and drink in Regent Cafe in the village though!
As long as they don't commercialise Lizard Point as they have Lands End I am not too fussed what they do.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Hello Gillian, yes, a mistake after I had posted it, I knew you may have spotted It proves who is reading this, but it seems to me that some of the people who have commented on this, and possibly yourself, haven't visited this precise location for a long time Two of you are writing as if Wave Café is still trading, and it certainly is not It has been closed and boarded up for a long time, and this in turn makes Polpeor an even better financial proposition for its owner[/p][/quote]No one told me it had closed, no wonder I was sitting there so long waiting to be served! Seriously though, the last time I was there was September 12th and I can't say I noticed anything different about Wave cafe, it always struck me as looking a little derelict anyway, had a nice cake and drink in Regent Cafe in the village though! As long as they don't commercialise Lizard Point as they have Lands End I am not too fussed what they do. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 6

2:26pm Wed 12 Feb 14

telstar1962 says...

Oh, the Regent Cafe, one of my favourite !

I understand that when the owner put in his original plans for Wave Crest last year,subsequently withdrawn, then every man and his dog were objecting.

Seems odd this time that is not the case
Oh, the Regent Cafe, one of my favourite ! I understand that when the owner put in his original plans for Wave Crest last year,subsequently withdrawn, then every man and his dog were objecting. Seems odd this time that is not the case telstar1962
  • Score: 5

2:53pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Oh, the Regent Cafe, one of my favourite !

I understand that when the owner put in his original plans for Wave Crest last year,subsequently withdrawn, then every man and his dog were objecting.

Seems odd this time that is not the case
I do not actually remember the Wave Crest Cafe being open anywhere near as often as Polpeor cafe, in relatively recent years.

Perhaps less people are aware of the planning application this time round.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Oh, the Regent Cafe, one of my favourite ! I understand that when the owner put in his original plans for Wave Crest last year,subsequently withdrawn, then every man and his dog were objecting. Seems odd this time that is not the case[/p][/quote]I do not actually remember the Wave Crest Cafe being open anywhere near as often as Polpeor cafe, in relatively recent years. Perhaps less people are aware of the planning application this time round. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 5

7:57am Fri 14 Feb 14

Jeremy Bentham says...

Jeremy Bentham wrote:
Disgusting proposal - hope the council treats this with the contempt it deserves.
Lizard Point is not going to become some rich man's back garden - it's a national landmark and tourist magnet, and the cafe is an essential part of a visitor's experience.
"mediocre building"? Architect-speak for 'charming, quaint, characterful, modest and delightful'. Property developers and millionaires - take a running jump.
Great cafe, great food, great views and lovely staff!
Petition anyone?
Apology - the description "at the point" led me to believe the cafe in question was the one i ate at last weekend: the Polmeor .
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Bentham[/bold] wrote: Disgusting proposal - hope the council treats this with the contempt it deserves. Lizard Point is not going to become some rich man's back garden - it's a national landmark and tourist magnet, and the cafe is an essential part of a visitor's experience. "mediocre building"? Architect-speak for 'charming, quaint, characterful, modest and delightful'. Property developers and millionaires - take a running jump. Great cafe, great food, great views and lovely staff! Petition anyone?[/p][/quote]Apology - the description "at the point" led me to believe the cafe in question was the one i ate at last weekend: the Polmeor . Jeremy Bentham
  • Score: 1

8:24am Fri 14 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Jeremy Bentham wrote:
Jeremy Bentham wrote:
Disgusting proposal - hope the council treats this with the contempt it deserves.
Lizard Point is not going to become some rich man's back garden - it's a national landmark and tourist magnet, and the cafe is an essential part of a visitor's experience.
"mediocre building"? Architect-speak for 'charming, quaint, characterful, modest and delightful'. Property developers and millionaires - take a running jump.
Great cafe, great food, great views and lovely staff!
Petition anyone?
Apology - the description "at the point" led me to believe the cafe in question was the one i ate at last weekend: the Polmeor .
No problem. I don't think Polpeor cafe will ever close it is too popular with many, especially as it has no competition at the point anymore.
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Bentham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Bentham[/bold] wrote: Disgusting proposal - hope the council treats this with the contempt it deserves. Lizard Point is not going to become some rich man's back garden - it's a national landmark and tourist magnet, and the cafe is an essential part of a visitor's experience. "mediocre building"? Architect-speak for 'charming, quaint, characterful, modest and delightful'. Property developers and millionaires - take a running jump. Great cafe, great food, great views and lovely staff! Petition anyone?[/p][/quote]Apology - the description "at the point" led me to believe the cafe in question was the one i ate at last weekend: the Polmeor .[/p][/quote]No problem. I don't think Polpeor cafe will ever close it is too popular with many, especially as it has no competition at the point anymore. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 2

11:10am Fri 14 Feb 14

telstar1962 says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
telstar1962 wrote:
Oh, the Regent Cafe, one of my favourite !

I understand that when the owner put in his original plans for Wave Crest last year,subsequently withdrawn, then every man and his dog were objecting.

Seems odd this time that is not the case
I do not actually remember the Wave Crest Cafe being open anywhere near as often as Polpeor cafe, in relatively recent years.

Perhaps less people are aware of the planning application this time round.
I don't see why people would be so unaware of this second application,as it's an ongoing situation, with the property needing to be sorted out. Last time most of the objectors on the Cornwall Council Planning web-site were local to the Lizard Village and surrounding area.

I am a regular visitor to Lizard Point, and will look forward to seeing a beautifully renovated property, in keeping with the surroundings
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Oh, the Regent Cafe, one of my favourite ! I understand that when the owner put in his original plans for Wave Crest last year,subsequently withdrawn, then every man and his dog were objecting. Seems odd this time that is not the case[/p][/quote]I do not actually remember the Wave Crest Cafe being open anywhere near as often as Polpeor cafe, in relatively recent years. Perhaps less people are aware of the planning application this time round.[/p][/quote]I don't see why people would be so unaware of this second application,as it's an ongoing situation, with the property needing to be sorted out. Last time most of the objectors on the Cornwall Council Planning web-site were local to the Lizard Village and surrounding area. I am a regular visitor to Lizard Point, and will look forward to seeing a beautifully renovated property, in keeping with the surroundings telstar1962
  • Score: 2

11:38am Fri 14 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
telstar1962 wrote:
Oh, the Regent Cafe, one of my favourite !

I understand that when the owner put in his original plans for Wave Crest last year,subsequently withdrawn, then every man and his dog were objecting.

Seems odd this time that is not the case
I do not actually remember the Wave Crest Cafe being open anywhere near as often as Polpeor cafe, in relatively recent years.

Perhaps less people are aware of the planning application this time round.
I don't see why people would be so unaware of this second application,as it's an ongoing situation, with the property needing to be sorted out. Last time most of the objectors on the Cornwall Council Planning web-site were local to the Lizard Village and surrounding area.

I am a regular visitor to Lizard Point, and will look forward to seeing a beautifully renovated property, in keeping with the surroundings
Well I don't actually know then why there has not been so many objections this time round, as you say, it is an ongoing situation, perhaps some people have given up objecting or moved, answers on a postcard!
My roof tiles are coming off, wish I could move to a nice new property!
It will be interesting to see the dwelling at Lizard point when it is eventually built, wonder if they will call it Wave Crest.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Oh, the Regent Cafe, one of my favourite ! I understand that when the owner put in his original plans for Wave Crest last year,subsequently withdrawn, then every man and his dog were objecting. Seems odd this time that is not the case[/p][/quote]I do not actually remember the Wave Crest Cafe being open anywhere near as often as Polpeor cafe, in relatively recent years. Perhaps less people are aware of the planning application this time round.[/p][/quote]I don't see why people would be so unaware of this second application,as it's an ongoing situation, with the property needing to be sorted out. Last time most of the objectors on the Cornwall Council Planning web-site were local to the Lizard Village and surrounding area. I am a regular visitor to Lizard Point, and will look forward to seeing a beautifully renovated property, in keeping with the surroundings[/p][/quote]Well I don't actually know then why there has not been so many objections this time round, as you say, it is an ongoing situation, perhaps some people have given up objecting or moved, answers on a postcard! My roof tiles are coming off, wish I could move to a nice new property! It will be interesting to see the dwelling at Lizard point when it is eventually built, wonder if they will call it Wave Crest. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 2

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