Helston town centre car ban would kill trade and be a 'catastrophe' say traders

Falmouth Packet: Helston town centre car ban would kill trade and be a 'catastrophe' say traders Helston town centre car ban would kill trade and be a 'catastrophe' say traders

Stopping cars from driving along Meneage Street would “kill” shops and be a “catastrophe” for Helston.

This is the view of many of shopkeepers in the street, which have launched a petition against any suggestion to pedestrianise it.

It is already estimated to have attracted in the region of 700 signatures.

The petition objects to an idea raised at a public meeting last autumn, which suggested pedestrianising the street either fully or in part, during certain hours of the day.

Although as yet there is no proposal for any restrictions to be put in place, the suggestion was among the points in questionnaires sent to all homes and businesses in Helston calling for the public’s views on how to spend £250,000 on town improvements.

Brian Shore, owner of Horse & Jockey Bakery, who started the petition, said any pedestrianisation would be a “catastrophe.”

He told the Packet: “There are jobs on the line if they do it. Many businesses would really suffer.

“I employ 22 people, full time, and who is going to carry the can if they do pedestrianise it and half my business, and ten people, go?”

Brian claimed he had spoken to all the businesses in the street and he had only found three that would be in favour of pedestrianising the street.

“My biggest fear is we are going to lose 35 car parking spaces every half an hour. It’s always full. That’s 35 people that come into Helston every half an hour and they won’t go and go to the car park to pay £1 just to buy a pasty or a card,” he added.

Debbie James and Paula Nicholls, from Fruit & Veg 4U, are among the shops urging customers to sign the petition.

Debbie said: “We don’t want the road shut – it would just kill the street. It would be devastating and will shut a lot of shops down, especially little independents like us.”

She added that her shop relied on people parking opposite to run in for their vegetables, which they didn’t want to carry too far. Those that were parked in the car park often drive down past the shop and the staff run the shopping out, but this would not be possible of the road was shut.

Among those signing the petition has been farmer and businessman Bob Cowell, who said: “Trade is very difficult for all the retailers at the moment, but all the restrictions on traffic in Meneage Street would just make the situation worse.

“Is the proposed scheme to make Meneage Street a pedestrian only area just another way of closing the town? “Stop people parking in the street and you will force them to out of town shopping outlets where they can park free of charge and purchase goods under one roof.”

He added that the other day he saw four traffic wardens in the town during one weekday. On another occasion he saw a warden issuing tickets at 9.10am on a Sunday.

Martin Searle, town centre regeneration officer, said: “There aren’t any proposals to pedestrianise the street at the moment.

“Back in the public meeting in October there was quite a bit of support amongst the discussion groups for trying to make Meneage Street Street pedestrian friendly. Because of that the council felt that it had to test public opinion more widely in the questionnaire.

“Although there are a number of detailed questions about Meneage Street that doesn’t mean the council has an agenda towards pedestrianisation. It is an open consultation and we are genuinely interested to hear what both members of the public and business proprietors and manages have to say.”

He added it would nice for the businesses to also give their views about how to improve the town centre.

Suggestions to pedestrianise the street are nothing new – it has been raised on and off for the last 20 to 30 years.

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6:48am Wed 19 Feb 14

Cyber Pasty says...

I don't know the area at all but is there not a car park near by? It's not as if those shops are drive through.
I don't know the area at all but is there not a car park near by? It's not as if those shops are drive through. Cyber Pasty
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7:46am Wed 19 Feb 14

Ian Bennett says...

I do know the area. Yes, there is a car park nearby, but that's not the issue. At the moment, I could park for ten minutes in Meneage Street to pick up a couple of things from the shops there, maybe just impulse purchases that I happen to notice while passing. If the street is pedestrianised, I never will be just passing. If I'm planning on buying something, I could pay to use the car park for an hour then go to the shops in Meneage Street, or I could go to a supermarket and park for nothing.
I do know the area. Yes, there is a car park nearby, but that's not the issue. At the moment, I could park for ten minutes in Meneage Street to pick up a couple of things from the shops there, maybe just impulse purchases that I happen to notice while passing. If the street is pedestrianised, I never will be just passing. If I'm planning on buying something, I could pay to use the car park for an hour then go to the shops in Meneage Street, or I could go to a supermarket and park for nothing. Ian Bennett
  • Score: 10

8:13am Wed 19 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Will certainly be signing this. Pedestrianisation is a terrible idea and would finish the town centre. Floating the idea again is not a good idea as it will discourage any new investment in the town centre.
Hanging baskets and wonky benches are all very nice but do little to encourage passing trade.
Increasing on street parking will give the boost it needs and should be persuaded with as the priority.
Will certainly be signing this. Pedestrianisation is a terrible idea and would finish the town centre. Floating the idea again is not a good idea as it will discourage any new investment in the town centre. Hanging baskets and wonky benches are all very nice but do little to encourage passing trade. Increasing on street parking will give the boost it needs and should be persuaded with as the priority. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 10

8:40am Wed 19 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Ian Bennett wrote:
I do know the area. Yes, there is a car park nearby, but that's not the issue. At the moment, I could park for ten minutes in Meneage Street to pick up a couple of things from the shops there, maybe just impulse purchases that I happen to notice while passing. If the street is pedestrianised, I never will be just passing. If I'm planning on buying something, I could pay to use the car park for an hour then go to the shops in Meneage Street, or I could go to a supermarket and park for nothing.
I often attempt to park in the town to make a purchase and find I am unsuccessful so my money is spent elsewhere.
[quote][p][bold]Ian Bennett[/bold] wrote: I do know the area. Yes, there is a car park nearby, but that's not the issue. At the moment, I could park for ten minutes in Meneage Street to pick up a couple of things from the shops there, maybe just impulse purchases that I happen to notice while passing. If the street is pedestrianised, I never will be just passing. If I'm planning on buying something, I could pay to use the car park for an hour then go to the shops in Meneage Street, or I could go to a supermarket and park for nothing.[/p][/quote]I often attempt to park in the town to make a purchase and find I am unsuccessful so my money is spent elsewhere. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 7

12:35pm Wed 19 Feb 14

krazyitchkatie says...

I wish instead of shooting down each and every idea before it has a chance to be looked at, people would at least make suggestions for additional ways to improve the town.

And it's all very well saying 'more/better shops', but how?!
I wish instead of shooting down each and every idea before it has a chance to be looked at, people would at least make suggestions for additional ways to improve the town. And it's all very well saying 'more/better shops', but how?! krazyitchkatie
  • Score: -3

2:13pm Wed 19 Feb 14

telstar1962 says...

The question which needs to be addressed is how small independent shops thrive and trade successfully in small Market Towns similar to Helston who have pedestrianized their main street.

The Council should be looking at other Towns who have changed to pedestrian streets and are doing well. They should also analyse how many have not gone down this route. It's not for the people of Helston just to say they want it, or do not want it. Some serious research needs to be undertaken, and parking needs to be made easier for todays lazy shopper.

That's what the Supermarkets have done. Free parking for up to 2 hours.

If that isn't offered in the Town, then nothing will change whether you pedestrianize or not
The question which needs to be addressed is how small independent shops thrive and trade successfully in small Market Towns similar to Helston who have pedestrianized their main street. The Council should be looking at other Towns who have changed to pedestrian streets and are doing well. They should also analyse how many have not gone down this route. It's not for the people of Helston just to say they want it, or do not want it. Some serious research needs to be undertaken, and parking needs to be made easier for todays lazy shopper. That's what the Supermarkets have done. Free parking for up to 2 hours. If that isn't offered in the Town, then nothing will change whether you pedestrianize or not telstar1962
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2:15pm Wed 19 Feb 14

krazyitchkatie says...

telstar1962 wrote:
The question which needs to be addressed is how small independent shops thrive and trade successfully in small Market Towns similar to Helston who have pedestrianized their main street.

The Council should be looking at other Towns who have changed to pedestrian streets and are doing well. They should also analyse how many have not gone down this route. It's not for the people of Helston just to say they want it, or do not want it. Some serious research needs to be undertaken, and parking needs to be made easier for todays lazy shopper.

That's what the Supermarkets have done. Free parking for up to 2 hours.

If that isn't offered in the Town, then nothing will change whether you pedestrianize or not
That is exactly what the council are doing, thankfully :-)
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: The question which needs to be addressed is how small independent shops thrive and trade successfully in small Market Towns similar to Helston who have pedestrianized their main street. The Council should be looking at other Towns who have changed to pedestrian streets and are doing well. They should also analyse how many have not gone down this route. It's not for the people of Helston just to say they want it, or do not want it. Some serious research needs to be undertaken, and parking needs to be made easier for todays lazy shopper. That's what the Supermarkets have done. Free parking for up to 2 hours. If that isn't offered in the Town, then nothing will change whether you pedestrianize or not[/p][/quote]That is exactly what the council are doing, thankfully :-) krazyitchkatie
  • Score: -5

2:47pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

I would suggest part time pedestrianisation on a trial basis that could easily be reverted if it did not prove a success.
I would suggest part time pedestrianisation on a trial basis that could easily be reverted if it did not prove a success. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: -9

7:24am Thu 20 Feb 14

helztonboy says...

oh dear oh dear!!

as was said in the article
“Although there are a number of detailed questions about Meneage Street that doesn’t mean the council has an agenda towards pedestrianisation. It is an open consultation and we are genuinely interested to hear what both members of the public and business proprietors and manages have to say.”

because the idea was raised by the public at the meeting it needed to be included on the questionnaire.

These people who have been complaining and getting petitions signed should be spending their time and effort coming up with good constructive ideas on how to improve the town.

In a process like this every idea need to be looked at and hopefully from all of these a plan will come forward to improve the town and streets.

This negativity just slows the process.
If all 700 who have signed this petition came forward with a positive idea then maybe we stand a chance of making things better.
oh dear oh dear!! as was said in the article “Although there are a number of detailed questions about Meneage Street that doesn’t mean the council has an agenda towards pedestrianisation. It is an open consultation and we are genuinely interested to hear what both members of the public and business proprietors and manages have to say.” because the idea was raised by the public at the meeting it needed to be included on the questionnaire. These people who have been complaining and getting petitions signed should be spending their time and effort coming up with good constructive ideas on how to improve the town. In a process like this every idea need to be looked at and hopefully from all of these a plan will come forward to improve the town and streets. This negativity just slows the process. If all 700 who have signed this petition came forward with a positive idea then maybe we stand a chance of making things better. helztonboy
  • Score: 0

8:16am Thu 20 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

I think even part time pedestrianisation would be enormously damaging for the town.
Not all together convinced that public consultation is allways a good idea when it raises possibilities than would have such a negative effect on the livelihoods of so many.
How on earth would closing traffic to half of the town centre and raising bussiness rates do anything to attract much needed retailers to Helston.
Maximise on street parking and thereby maximising footfall and maybe some retailers will return.
It will be interesting to see what percentage of the town actualy returnned there survey.
I think even part time pedestrianisation would be enormously damaging for the town. Not all together convinced that public consultation is allways a good idea when it raises possibilities than would have such a negative effect on the livelihoods of so many. How on earth would closing traffic to half of the town centre and raising bussiness rates do anything to attract much needed retailers to Helston. Maximise on street parking and thereby maximising footfall and maybe some retailers will return. It will be interesting to see what percentage of the town actualy returnned there survey. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 1

8:34am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think even part time pedestrianisation would be enormously damaging for the town.
Not all together convinced that public consultation is allways a good idea when it raises possibilities than would have such a negative effect on the livelihoods of so many.
How on earth would closing traffic to half of the town centre and raising bussiness rates do anything to attract much needed retailers to Helston.
Maximise on street parking and thereby maximising footfall and maybe some retailers will return.
It will be interesting to see what percentage of the town actualy returnned there survey.
I believe public consultation is a good idea, if there were no meetings and no questionnaires and the council went ahead and did what they wanted with their money, then how many people would complain they were not consulted, I remember you complained Ron about not being consulted as to whether or not the town had a logo.
Nothing has yet been decided so it seems strange to me to have a petition against a hypothetical idea. I attended the consultation and it was not just a member of the public that suggested pedestrianisation, so excluding the public from consultations would not illiminate ideas from being suggested that some may not like!
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think even part time pedestrianisation would be enormously damaging for the town. Not all together convinced that public consultation is allways a good idea when it raises possibilities than would have such a negative effect on the livelihoods of so many. How on earth would closing traffic to half of the town centre and raising bussiness rates do anything to attract much needed retailers to Helston. Maximise on street parking and thereby maximising footfall and maybe some retailers will return. It will be interesting to see what percentage of the town actualy returnned there survey.[/p][/quote]I believe public consultation is a good idea, if there were no meetings and no questionnaires and the council went ahead and did what they wanted with their money, then how many people would complain they were not consulted, I remember you complained Ron about not being consulted as to whether or not the town had a logo. Nothing has yet been decided so it seems strange to me to have a petition against a hypothetical idea. I attended the consultation and it was not just a member of the public that suggested pedestrianisation, so excluding the public from consultations would not illiminate ideas from being suggested that some may not like! Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 2

8:42am Thu 20 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

I dont I was bothered about not being consulted about the logo just the fact it was rubbish and a waste of money.
Do you mean by not just a member of the public more than person or someone in a position of responsibility.
I dont I was bothered about not being consulted about the logo just the fact it was rubbish and a waste of money. Do you mean by not just a member of the public more than person or someone in a position of responsibility. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -4

8:49am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
I dont I was bothered about not being consulted about the logo just the fact it was rubbish and a waste of money.
Do you mean by not just a member of the public more than person or someone in a position of responsibility.
Far more than just one person thought pedestrianisation would be a possible idea.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I dont I was bothered about not being consulted about the logo just the fact it was rubbish and a waste of money. Do you mean by not just a member of the public more than person or someone in a position of responsibility.[/p][/quote]Far more than just one person thought pedestrianisation would be a possible idea. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 1

9:10am Thu 20 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think even part time pedestrianisation would be enormously damaging for the town.
Not all together convinced that public consultation is allways a good idea when it raises possibilities than would have such a negative effect on the livelihoods of so many.
How on earth would closing traffic to half of the town centre and raising bussiness rates do anything to attract much needed retailers to Helston.
Maximise on street parking and thereby maximising footfall and maybe some retailers will return.
It will be interesting to see what percentage of the town actualy returnned there survey.
I believe public consultation is a good idea, if there were no meetings and no questionnaires and the council went ahead and did what they wanted with their money, then how many people would complain they were not consulted, I remember you complained Ron about not being consulted as to whether or not the town had a logo.
Nothing has yet been decided so it seems strange to me to have a petition against a hypothetical idea. I attended the consultation and it was not just a member of the public that suggested pedestrianisation, so excluding the public from consultations would not illiminate ideas from being suggested that some may not like!
I think even the suggestion of pedestrianisation raises uncertainty for those involved and would curtail any possible investment in the area.
I would think the petition is for this terrible idea to be dropped before it goes any further.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think even part time pedestrianisation would be enormously damaging for the town. Not all together convinced that public consultation is allways a good idea when it raises possibilities than would have such a negative effect on the livelihoods of so many. How on earth would closing traffic to half of the town centre and raising bussiness rates do anything to attract much needed retailers to Helston. Maximise on street parking and thereby maximising footfall and maybe some retailers will return. It will be interesting to see what percentage of the town actualy returnned there survey.[/p][/quote]I believe public consultation is a good idea, if there were no meetings and no questionnaires and the council went ahead and did what they wanted with their money, then how many people would complain they were not consulted, I remember you complained Ron about not being consulted as to whether or not the town had a logo. Nothing has yet been decided so it seems strange to me to have a petition against a hypothetical idea. I attended the consultation and it was not just a member of the public that suggested pedestrianisation, so excluding the public from consultations would not illiminate ideas from being suggested that some may not like![/p][/quote]I think even the suggestion of pedestrianisation raises uncertainty for those involved and would curtail any possible investment in the area. I would think the petition is for this terrible idea to be dropped before it goes any further. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 0

9:21am Thu 20 Feb 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Hi Ron - is your opinion on this based on anything other than conjecture? And I don't mean that rudely, it's just that there are many studies proving the positive effects of pedestrianisation in other towns nationwide. We just need to consider the pros and cons for Helston, rather than dismiss from the heart straight away. EG:

The success of a town centre has very little to do with parking. Providing more parking is often cited as a way of improving the business climate in town and local centres, but this isn't backed up by the facts. Parking costs money to provide, takes up prime space and tends to increase car use and therefore congestion and pollution, worsening the town centre experience for shoppers and others. A study commissioned by the Department for Transport concluded that there is no evidence to suggest that limits on car parking provision have a negative economic effect or result in developments or investment not going ahead - in fact limiting parking can have a positive effect.
Hi Ron - is your opinion on this based on anything other than conjecture? And I don't mean that rudely, it's just that there are many studies proving the positive effects of pedestrianisation in other towns nationwide. We just need to consider the pros and cons for Helston, rather than dismiss from the heart straight away. EG: The success of a town centre has very little to do with parking. Providing more parking is often cited as a way of improving the business climate in town and local centres, but this isn't backed up by the facts. Parking costs money to provide, takes up prime space and tends to increase car use and therefore congestion and pollution, worsening the town centre experience for shoppers and others. A study commissioned by the Department for Transport concluded that there is no evidence to suggest that limits on car parking provision have a negative economic effect or result in developments or investment not going ahead - in fact limiting parking can have a positive effect. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 1

9:21am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

I always pay for the car park and spend time and money in the town centre, at least 2 or 3 times a week, I do not just look for a free bay and buy one item, however, I personally do not like being put in a position where I am asked to sign a petition in a shop, therefore for the time being I will be shopping in alternative places to Helston Town Centre.
I always pay for the car park and spend time and money in the town centre, at least 2 or 3 times a week, I do not just look for a free bay and buy one item, however, I personally do not like being put in a position where I am asked to sign a petition in a shop, therefore for the time being I will be shopping in alternative places to Helston Town Centre. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: -8

9:42am Thu 20 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Hello Katie. My opinion is based on looking at Helston and the way people use or dont use the town centre and nearby facilities.
Helston does not currently have the range of shops other towns nearby have so passing trade becomes very important and could if handled correctly be Helstons answer.
You need to look at each town individually as I am sure the answer is not found in some goverment survey.
Hello Katie. My opinion is based on looking at Helston and the way people use or dont use the town centre and nearby facilities. Helston does not currently have the range of shops other towns nearby have so passing trade becomes very important and could if handled correctly be Helstons answer. You need to look at each town individually as I am sure the answer is not found in some goverment survey. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 0

9:46am Thu 20 Feb 14

krazyitchkatie says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Hello Katie. My opinion is based on looking at Helston and the way people use or dont use the town centre and nearby facilities.
Helston does not currently have the range of shops other towns nearby have so passing trade becomes very important and could if handled correctly be Helstons answer.
You need to look at each town individually as I am sure the answer is not found in some goverment survey.
Well yes, that's what I said - it needs to be looked at for Helston. But the point is, it does need to be looked at for viability and feasibility rather than assuming it won't work before any actual studies/research are done on the town? There's another interesting generalised point from a study by the University of the West of England:

Pedestrians are key customers.

Living Streets’ Making the Case report highlights a study in Bristol which found that retailers on a local high street overestimated the proportion of shoppers arriving by car by almost double at 41%, compared with the actual proportion of 22%. In fact, over half of the shoppers had arrived there by foot, and greater proportions had arrived by bus and cycle than estimated by retailers. Pedestrians also tended to visit more shops than those arriving by car.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Hello Katie. My opinion is based on looking at Helston and the way people use or dont use the town centre and nearby facilities. Helston does not currently have the range of shops other towns nearby have so passing trade becomes very important and could if handled correctly be Helstons answer. You need to look at each town individually as I am sure the answer is not found in some goverment survey.[/p][/quote]Well yes, that's what I said - it needs to be looked at for Helston. But the point is, it does need to be looked at for viability and feasibility rather than assuming it won't work before any actual studies/research are done on the town? There's another interesting generalised point from a study by the University of the West of England: Pedestrians are key customers. Living Streets’ Making the Case report highlights a study in Bristol which found that retailers on a local high street overestimated the proportion of shoppers arriving by car by almost double at 41%, compared with the actual proportion of 22%. In fact, over half of the shoppers had arrived there by foot, and greater proportions had arrived by bus and cycle than estimated by retailers. Pedestrians also tended to visit more shops than those arriving by car. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 3

9:51am Thu 20 Feb 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

For years now people have said footfall is low in Helston so something is obviously not working, yet it seems they are not willing to try anything different, if you don't try it how will you ever know, when the road was shut for the repairs and for the markets there was a reported increase in trade.
If I was the town council I would sit back and let the traders sort out their problems as they seem to have all the answers, and use the money refurbishing the Guildhall and other areas of the town.
For years now people have said footfall is low in Helston so something is obviously not working, yet it seems they are not willing to try anything different, if you don't try it how will you ever know, when the road was shut for the repairs and for the markets there was a reported increase in trade. If I was the town council I would sit back and let the traders sort out their problems as they seem to have all the answers, and use the money refurbishing the Guildhall and other areas of the town. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 10

10:01am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think even part time pedestrianisation would be enormously damaging for the town.
Not all together convinced that public consultation is allways a good idea when it raises possibilities than would have such a negative effect on the livelihoods of so many.
How on earth would closing traffic to half of the town centre and raising bussiness rates do anything to attract much needed retailers to Helston.
Maximise on street parking and thereby maximising footfall and maybe some retailers will return.
It will be interesting to see what percentage of the town actualy returnned there survey.
I believe public consultation is a good idea, if there were no meetings and no questionnaires and the council went ahead and did what they wanted with their money, then how many people would complain they were not consulted, I remember you complained Ron about not being consulted as to whether or not the town had a logo.
Nothing has yet been decided so it seems strange to me to have a petition against a hypothetical idea. I attended the consultation and it was not just a member of the public that suggested pedestrianisation, so excluding the public from consultations would not illiminate ideas from being suggested that some may not like!
I think even the suggestion of pedestrianisation raises uncertainty for those involved and would curtail any possible investment in the area.
I would think the petition is for this terrible idea to be dropped before it goes any further.
If you have a petition though Ron, just to get what is purely an idea, dropped, then will petitions be instigated against every idea without even investigating an idea. I suggested in my initial post, a trial period of part time pedestrianisation because that way if it proved unsuccessful it could easily be reverted. It would not in my view take long to establish a result.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think even part time pedestrianisation would be enormously damaging for the town. Not all together convinced that public consultation is allways a good idea when it raises possibilities than would have such a negative effect on the livelihoods of so many. How on earth would closing traffic to half of the town centre and raising bussiness rates do anything to attract much needed retailers to Helston. Maximise on street parking and thereby maximising footfall and maybe some retailers will return. It will be interesting to see what percentage of the town actualy returnned there survey.[/p][/quote]I believe public consultation is a good idea, if there were no meetings and no questionnaires and the council went ahead and did what they wanted with their money, then how many people would complain they were not consulted, I remember you complained Ron about not being consulted as to whether or not the town had a logo. Nothing has yet been decided so it seems strange to me to have a petition against a hypothetical idea. I attended the consultation and it was not just a member of the public that suggested pedestrianisation, so excluding the public from consultations would not illiminate ideas from being suggested that some may not like![/p][/quote]I think even the suggestion of pedestrianisation raises uncertainty for those involved and would curtail any possible investment in the area. I would think the petition is for this terrible idea to be dropped before it goes any further.[/p][/quote]If you have a petition though Ron, just to get what is purely an idea, dropped, then will petitions be instigated against every idea without even investigating an idea. I suggested in my initial post, a trial period of part time pedestrianisation because that way if it proved unsuccessful it could easily be reverted. It would not in my view take long to establish a result. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 1

10:05am Thu 20 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Hello Katie. My opinion is based on looking at Helston and the way people use or dont use the town centre and nearby facilities.
Helston does not currently have the range of shops other towns nearby have so passing trade becomes very important and could if handled correctly be Helstons answer.
You need to look at each town individually as I am sure the answer is not found in some goverment survey.
Well yes, that's what I said - it needs to be looked at for Helston. But the point is, it does need to be looked at for viability and feasibility rather than assuming it won't work before any actual studies/research are done on the town? There's another interesting generalised point from a study by the University of the West of England:

Pedestrians are key customers.

Living Streets’ Making the Case report highlights a study in Bristol which found that retailers on a local high street overestimated the proportion of shoppers arriving by car by almost double at 41%, compared with the actual proportion of 22%. In fact, over half of the shoppers had arrived there by foot, and greater proportions had arrived by bus and cycle than estimated by retailers. Pedestrians also tended to visit more shops than those arriving by car.
Yes you raise a good point but you need to look at Helston individually it has a large rural catchment area and a large percentage of the town live some distance from the town centre on a hill means a general survey would not be applicable in Helston case.
I think local traders understand best the needs of there customers not the university of west england.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Hello Katie. My opinion is based on looking at Helston and the way people use or dont use the town centre and nearby facilities. Helston does not currently have the range of shops other towns nearby have so passing trade becomes very important and could if handled correctly be Helstons answer. You need to look at each town individually as I am sure the answer is not found in some goverment survey.[/p][/quote]Well yes, that's what I said - it needs to be looked at for Helston. But the point is, it does need to be looked at for viability and feasibility rather than assuming it won't work before any actual studies/research are done on the town? There's another interesting generalised point from a study by the University of the West of England: Pedestrians are key customers. Living Streets’ Making the Case report highlights a study in Bristol which found that retailers on a local high street overestimated the proportion of shoppers arriving by car by almost double at 41%, compared with the actual proportion of 22%. In fact, over half of the shoppers had arrived there by foot, and greater proportions had arrived by bus and cycle than estimated by retailers. Pedestrians also tended to visit more shops than those arriving by car.[/p][/quote]Yes you raise a good point but you need to look at Helston individually it has a large rural catchment area and a large percentage of the town live some distance from the town centre on a hill means a general survey would not be applicable in Helston case. I think local traders understand best the needs of there customers not the university of west england. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -1

10:09am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Incidentally, making car parking free is not an option, as you and I are aware Ron, because the car parks are owned by Cornwall Council, and although I agree extra on road bays might play a part in a town, the only feasible place would be in Coinagehall Street but as bays are short time limited I fail to see how that would help trade for Meneage Street.
Incidentally, making car parking free is not an option, as you and I are aware Ron, because the car parks are owned by Cornwall Council, and although I agree extra on road bays might play a part in a town, the only feasible place would be in Coinagehall Street but as bays are short time limited I fail to see how that would help trade for Meneage Street. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 1

10:09am Thu 20 Feb 14

krazyitchkatie says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Hello Katie. My opinion is based on looking at Helston and the way people use or dont use the town centre and nearby facilities.
Helston does not currently have the range of shops other towns nearby have so passing trade becomes very important and could if handled correctly be Helstons answer.
You need to look at each town individually as I am sure the answer is not found in some goverment survey.
Well yes, that's what I said - it needs to be looked at for Helston. But the point is, it does need to be looked at for viability and feasibility rather than assuming it won't work before any actual studies/research are done on the town? There's another interesting generalised point from a study by the University of the West of England:

Pedestrians are key customers.

Living Streets’ Making the Case report highlights a study in Bristol which found that retailers on a local high street overestimated the proportion of shoppers arriving by car by almost double at 41%, compared with the actual proportion of 22%. In fact, over half of the shoppers had arrived there by foot, and greater proportions had arrived by bus and cycle than estimated by retailers. Pedestrians also tended to visit more shops than those arriving by car.
Yes you raise a good point but you need to look at Helston individually it has a large rural catchment area and a large percentage of the town live some distance from the town centre on a hill means a general survey would not be applicable in Helston case.
I think local traders understand best the needs of there customers not the university of west england.
It is of course useful, and interesting, to look at these studies, not least to keep perspective. But yes, of course at the end of the day it is what will work for Helston. Something needs to be done at the end of the day, to stop the town dying, and every idea should be fully investigated to find a suitable solution.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Hello Katie. My opinion is based on looking at Helston and the way people use or dont use the town centre and nearby facilities. Helston does not currently have the range of shops other towns nearby have so passing trade becomes very important and could if handled correctly be Helstons answer. You need to look at each town individually as I am sure the answer is not found in some goverment survey.[/p][/quote]Well yes, that's what I said - it needs to be looked at for Helston. But the point is, it does need to be looked at for viability and feasibility rather than assuming it won't work before any actual studies/research are done on the town? There's another interesting generalised point from a study by the University of the West of England: Pedestrians are key customers. Living Streets’ Making the Case report highlights a study in Bristol which found that retailers on a local high street overestimated the proportion of shoppers arriving by car by almost double at 41%, compared with the actual proportion of 22%. In fact, over half of the shoppers had arrived there by foot, and greater proportions had arrived by bus and cycle than estimated by retailers. Pedestrians also tended to visit more shops than those arriving by car.[/p][/quote]Yes you raise a good point but you need to look at Helston individually it has a large rural catchment area and a large percentage of the town live some distance from the town centre on a hill means a general survey would not be applicable in Helston case. I think local traders understand best the needs of there customers not the university of west england.[/p][/quote]It is of course useful, and interesting, to look at these studies, not least to keep perspective. But yes, of course at the end of the day it is what will work for Helston. Something needs to be done at the end of the day, to stop the town dying, and every idea should be fully investigated to find a suitable solution. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 2

10:11am Thu 20 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
I think even part time pedestrianisation would be enormously damaging for the town.
Not all together convinced that public consultation is allways a good idea when it raises possibilities than would have such a negative effect on the livelihoods of so many.
How on earth would closing traffic to half of the town centre and raising bussiness rates do anything to attract much needed retailers to Helston.
Maximise on street parking and thereby maximising footfall and maybe some retailers will return.
It will be interesting to see what percentage of the town actualy returnned there survey.
I believe public consultation is a good idea, if there were no meetings and no questionnaires and the council went ahead and did what they wanted with their money, then how many people would complain they were not consulted, I remember you complained Ron about not being consulted as to whether or not the town had a logo.
Nothing has yet been decided so it seems strange to me to have a petition against a hypothetical idea. I attended the consultation and it was not just a member of the public that suggested pedestrianisation, so excluding the public from consultations would not illiminate ideas from being suggested that some may not like!
I think even the suggestion of pedestrianisation raises uncertainty for those involved and would curtail any possible investment in the area.
I would think the petition is for this terrible idea to be dropped before it goes any further.
If you have a petition though Ron, just to get what is purely an idea, dropped, then will petitions be instigated against every idea without even investigating an idea. I suggested in my initial post, a trial period of part time pedestrianisation because that way if it proved unsuccessful it could easily be reverted. It would not in my view take long to establish a result.
I would of thought when idea's are suggested that threatened people livelihoods a petition would be a logical first step to take.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I think even part time pedestrianisation would be enormously damaging for the town. Not all together convinced that public consultation is allways a good idea when it raises possibilities than would have such a negative effect on the livelihoods of so many. How on earth would closing traffic to half of the town centre and raising bussiness rates do anything to attract much needed retailers to Helston. Maximise on street parking and thereby maximising footfall and maybe some retailers will return. It will be interesting to see what percentage of the town actualy returnned there survey.[/p][/quote]I believe public consultation is a good idea, if there were no meetings and no questionnaires and the council went ahead and did what they wanted with their money, then how many people would complain they were not consulted, I remember you complained Ron about not being consulted as to whether or not the town had a logo. Nothing has yet been decided so it seems strange to me to have a petition against a hypothetical idea. I attended the consultation and it was not just a member of the public that suggested pedestrianisation, so excluding the public from consultations would not illiminate ideas from being suggested that some may not like![/p][/quote]I think even the suggestion of pedestrianisation raises uncertainty for those involved and would curtail any possible investment in the area. I would think the petition is for this terrible idea to be dropped before it goes any further.[/p][/quote]If you have a petition though Ron, just to get what is purely an idea, dropped, then will petitions be instigated against every idea without even investigating an idea. I suggested in my initial post, a trial period of part time pedestrianisation because that way if it proved unsuccessful it could easily be reverted. It would not in my view take long to establish a result.[/p][/quote]I would of thought when idea's are suggested that threatened people livelihoods a petition would be a logical first step to take. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -4

10:18am Thu 20 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Hello Katie. My opinion is based on looking at Helston and the way people use or dont use the town centre and nearby facilities.
Helston does not currently have the range of shops other towns nearby have so passing trade becomes very important and could if handled correctly be Helstons answer.
You need to look at each town individually as I am sure the answer is not found in some goverment survey.
Well yes, that's what I said - it needs to be looked at for Helston. But the point is, it does need to be looked at for viability and feasibility rather than assuming it won't work before any actual studies/research are done on the town? There's another interesting generalised point from a study by the University of the West of England:

Pedestrians are key customers.

Living Streets’ Making the Case report highlights a study in Bristol which found that retailers on a local high street overestimated the proportion of shoppers arriving by car by almost double at 41%, compared with the actual proportion of 22%. In fact, over half of the shoppers had arrived there by foot, and greater proportions had arrived by bus and cycle than estimated by retailers. Pedestrians also tended to visit more shops than those arriving by car.
Yes you raise a good point but you need to look at Helston individually it has a large rural catchment area and a large percentage of the town live some distance from the town centre on a hill means a general survey would not be applicable in Helston case.
I think local traders understand best the needs of there customers not the university of west england.
It is of course useful, and interesting, to look at these studies, not least to keep perspective. But yes, of course at the end of the day it is what will work for Helston. Something needs to be done at the end of the day, to stop the town dying, and every idea should be fully investigated to find a suitable solution.
Yes I agree but not with pedestrianisation it has been discussed in Helston since Dick Curnow surgested putting a roof on Meneage street, not a bad idea I thout.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Hello Katie. My opinion is based on looking at Helston and the way people use or dont use the town centre and nearby facilities. Helston does not currently have the range of shops other towns nearby have so passing trade becomes very important and could if handled correctly be Helstons answer. You need to look at each town individually as I am sure the answer is not found in some goverment survey.[/p][/quote]Well yes, that's what I said - it needs to be looked at for Helston. But the point is, it does need to be looked at for viability and feasibility rather than assuming it won't work before any actual studies/research are done on the town? There's another interesting generalised point from a study by the University of the West of England: Pedestrians are key customers. Living Streets’ Making the Case report highlights a study in Bristol which found that retailers on a local high street overestimated the proportion of shoppers arriving by car by almost double at 41%, compared with the actual proportion of 22%. In fact, over half of the shoppers had arrived there by foot, and greater proportions had arrived by bus and cycle than estimated by retailers. Pedestrians also tended to visit more shops than those arriving by car.[/p][/quote]Yes you raise a good point but you need to look at Helston individually it has a large rural catchment area and a large percentage of the town live some distance from the town centre on a hill means a general survey would not be applicable in Helston case. I think local traders understand best the needs of there customers not the university of west england.[/p][/quote]It is of course useful, and interesting, to look at these studies, not least to keep perspective. But yes, of course at the end of the day it is what will work for Helston. Something needs to be done at the end of the day, to stop the town dying, and every idea should be fully investigated to find a suitable solution.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree but not with pedestrianisation it has been discussed in Helston since Dick Curnow surgested putting a roof on Meneage street, not a bad idea I thout. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -3

10:35am Thu 20 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
Incidentally, making car parking free is not an option, as you and I are aware Ron, because the car parks are owned by Cornwall Council, and although I agree extra on road bays might play a part in a town, the only feasible place would be in Coinagehall Street but as bays are short time limited I fail to see how that would help trade for Meneage Street.
I have never surgested free parking in the car park simply maximising on street parking not restricting it.
Would not more parking in coinagehall street free up some spaces in meneage street .
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: Incidentally, making car parking free is not an option, as you and I are aware Ron, because the car parks are owned by Cornwall Council, and although I agree extra on road bays might play a part in a town, the only feasible place would be in Coinagehall Street but as bays are short time limited I fail to see how that would help trade for Meneage Street.[/p][/quote]I have never surgested free parking in the car park simply maximising on street parking not restricting it. Would not more parking in coinagehall street free up some spaces in meneage street . ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 2

10:56am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
Incidentally, making car parking free is not an option, as you and I are aware Ron, because the car parks are owned by Cornwall Council, and although I agree extra on road bays might play a part in a town, the only feasible place would be in Coinagehall Street but as bays are short time limited I fail to see how that would help trade for Meneage Street.
I have never surgested free parking in the car park simply maximising on street parking not restricting it.
Would not more parking in coinagehall street free up some spaces in meneage street .
I do not know if it would free up spaces in Meneage Street, with only 30 mins parking allowed I suppose it would depend on how long it takes someone to walk to the shop they require and how much time they spend in the shop/shops. At present, it would appear most people try to park as close as possible to where they want to go.
I agree herringbone parking would be useful in Coinagehall Street but it would restrict road width, therefore you could only really have parking on one side whereas at present people park on both sides, so how much would really be gained? bearing in mind the width of the bus bays.
It would also mean many people would be reversing out into a main road.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: Incidentally, making car parking free is not an option, as you and I are aware Ron, because the car parks are owned by Cornwall Council, and although I agree extra on road bays might play a part in a town, the only feasible place would be in Coinagehall Street but as bays are short time limited I fail to see how that would help trade for Meneage Street.[/p][/quote]I have never surgested free parking in the car park simply maximising on street parking not restricting it. Would not more parking in coinagehall street free up some spaces in meneage street .[/p][/quote]I do not know if it would free up spaces in Meneage Street, with only 30 mins parking allowed I suppose it would depend on how long it takes someone to walk to the shop they require and how much time they spend in the shop/shops. At present, it would appear most people try to park as close as possible to where they want to go. I agree herringbone parking would be useful in Coinagehall Street but it would restrict road width, therefore you could only really have parking on one side whereas at present people park on both sides, so how much would really be gained? bearing in mind the width of the bus bays. It would also mean many people would be reversing out into a main road. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 4

11:28am Thu 20 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
Incidentally, making car parking free is not an option, as you and I are aware Ron, because the car parks are owned by Cornwall Council, and although I agree extra on road bays might play a part in a town, the only feasible place would be in Coinagehall Street but as bays are short time limited I fail to see how that would help trade for Meneage Street.
I have never surgested free parking in the car park simply maximising on street parking not restricting it.
Would not more parking in coinagehall street free up some spaces in meneage street .
I do not know if it would free up spaces in Meneage Street, with only 30 mins parking allowed I suppose it would depend on how long it takes someone to walk to the shop they require and how much time they spend in the shop/shops. At present, it would appear most people try to park as close as possible to where they want to go.
I agree herringbone parking would be useful in Coinagehall Street but it would restrict road width, therefore you could only really have parking on one side whereas at present people park on both sides, so how much would really be gained? bearing in mind the width of the bus bays.
It would also mean many people would be reversing out into a main road.
A pedestrian crossing in coinagehall street would be a good idea as this would slow down traffic and further discourage cars using the town centre as a short cut to the turnpike area. This would help with the exiting problems from parking bays.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: Incidentally, making car parking free is not an option, as you and I are aware Ron, because the car parks are owned by Cornwall Council, and although I agree extra on road bays might play a part in a town, the only feasible place would be in Coinagehall Street but as bays are short time limited I fail to see how that would help trade for Meneage Street.[/p][/quote]I have never surgested free parking in the car park simply maximising on street parking not restricting it. Would not more parking in coinagehall street free up some spaces in meneage street .[/p][/quote]I do not know if it would free up spaces in Meneage Street, with only 30 mins parking allowed I suppose it would depend on how long it takes someone to walk to the shop they require and how much time they spend in the shop/shops. At present, it would appear most people try to park as close as possible to where they want to go. I agree herringbone parking would be useful in Coinagehall Street but it would restrict road width, therefore you could only really have parking on one side whereas at present people park on both sides, so how much would really be gained? bearing in mind the width of the bus bays. It would also mean many people would be reversing out into a main road.[/p][/quote]A pedestrian crossing in coinagehall street would be a good idea as this would slow down traffic and further discourage cars using the town centre as a short cut to the turnpike area. This would help with the exiting problems from parking bays. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -2

11:29am Thu 20 Feb 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Pedestrian crossing in Coinagehall Street is a good idea Ron - I think it is already in discussion :-)
Pedestrian crossing in Coinagehall Street is a good idea Ron - I think it is already in discussion :-) krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 5

11:32am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
Incidentally, making car parking free is not an option, as you and I are aware Ron, because the car parks are owned by Cornwall Council, and although I agree extra on road bays might play a part in a town, the only feasible place would be in Coinagehall Street but as bays are short time limited I fail to see how that would help trade for Meneage Street.
I have never surgested free parking in the car park simply maximising on street parking not restricting it.
Would not more parking in coinagehall street free up some spaces in meneage street .
I do not know if it would free up spaces in Meneage Street, with only 30 mins parking allowed I suppose it would depend on how long it takes someone to walk to the shop they require and how much time they spend in the shop/shops. At present, it would appear most people try to park as close as possible to where they want to go.
I agree herringbone parking would be useful in Coinagehall Street but it would restrict road width, therefore you could only really have parking on one side whereas at present people park on both sides, so how much would really be gained? bearing in mind the width of the bus bays.
It would also mean many people would be reversing out into a main road.
A pedestrian crossing in coinagehall street would be a good idea as this would slow down traffic and further discourage cars using the town centre as a short cut to the turnpike area. This would help with the exiting problems from parking bays.
We agree on something :) yes there should be a pedestrian crossing I think, because apart from the traffic lights right at the top there is no provision for safe crossing further down.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: Incidentally, making car parking free is not an option, as you and I are aware Ron, because the car parks are owned by Cornwall Council, and although I agree extra on road bays might play a part in a town, the only feasible place would be in Coinagehall Street but as bays are short time limited I fail to see how that would help trade for Meneage Street.[/p][/quote]I have never surgested free parking in the car park simply maximising on street parking not restricting it. Would not more parking in coinagehall street free up some spaces in meneage street .[/p][/quote]I do not know if it would free up spaces in Meneage Street, with only 30 mins parking allowed I suppose it would depend on how long it takes someone to walk to the shop they require and how much time they spend in the shop/shops. At present, it would appear most people try to park as close as possible to where they want to go. I agree herringbone parking would be useful in Coinagehall Street but it would restrict road width, therefore you could only really have parking on one side whereas at present people park on both sides, so how much would really be gained? bearing in mind the width of the bus bays. It would also mean many people would be reversing out into a main road.[/p][/quote]A pedestrian crossing in coinagehall street would be a good idea as this would slow down traffic and further discourage cars using the town centre as a short cut to the turnpike area. This would help with the exiting problems from parking bays.[/p][/quote]We agree on something :) yes there should be a pedestrian crossing I think, because apart from the traffic lights right at the top there is no provision for safe crossing further down. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 5

11:39am Thu 20 Feb 14

road_hogg says...

We're in Cornwall, not up country!

I've not been to Redruth since they shut the main street, merely drive through on the way to other places.
Neither do I visit Falmouth now.

I've been to towns up country where I was driving through and something caught my eye, so I parked up and went to the shop and purchased it, had it not been for being able to drive through I would not have seen it and got it.

Where would all the cars go if they couldn't drive through the main street?
We're in Cornwall, not up country! I've not been to Redruth since they shut the main street, merely drive through on the way to other places. Neither do I visit Falmouth now. I've been to towns up country where I was driving through and something caught my eye, so I parked up and went to the shop and purchased it, had it not been for being able to drive through I would not have seen it and got it. Where would all the cars go if they couldn't drive through the main street? road_hogg
  • Score: -5

11:40am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

With Helston business park now under new management hopefully businessess will be attracted to Helston and if people are coming into Helston they may just possibly visit the town centre whilst here, pity they could not have incorporated a park and ride between both.
With Helston business park now under new management hopefully businessess will be attracted to Helston and if people are coming into Helston they may just possibly visit the town centre whilst here, pity they could not have incorporated a park and ride between both. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 4

11:43am Thu 20 Feb 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
With Helston business park now under new management hopefully businessess will be attracted to Helston and if people are coming into Helston they may just possibly visit the town centre whilst here, pity they could not have incorporated a park and ride between both.
Can they not?
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: With Helston business park now under new management hopefully businessess will be attracted to Helston and if people are coming into Helston they may just possibly visit the town centre whilst here, pity they could not have incorporated a park and ride between both.[/p][/quote]Can they not? krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 2

11:44am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

road_hogg wrote:
We're in Cornwall, not up country!

I've not been to Redruth since they shut the main street, merely drive through on the way to other places.
Neither do I visit Falmouth now.

I've been to towns up country where I was driving through and something caught my eye, so I parked up and went to the shop and purchased it, had it not been for being able to drive through I would not have seen it and got it.

Where would all the cars go if they couldn't drive through the main street?
The traffic could go the same way it went whilst the road was closed for the markets. Down Furry Way and up the main road Coinagehall Street.
[quote][p][bold]road_hogg[/bold] wrote: We're in Cornwall, not up country! I've not been to Redruth since they shut the main street, merely drive through on the way to other places. Neither do I visit Falmouth now. I've been to towns up country where I was driving through and something caught my eye, so I parked up and went to the shop and purchased it, had it not been for being able to drive through I would not have seen it and got it. Where would all the cars go if they couldn't drive through the main street?[/p][/quote]The traffic could go the same way it went whilst the road was closed for the markets. Down Furry Way and up the main road Coinagehall Street. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 0

11:47am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
With Helston business park now under new management hopefully businessess will be attracted to Helston and if people are coming into Helston they may just possibly visit the town centre whilst here, pity they could not have incorporated a park and ride between both.
Can they not?
In my view they could, and it would be useful, but of course the parking area would take some of the land so may not be desirable to the owner.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: With Helston business park now under new management hopefully businessess will be attracted to Helston and if people are coming into Helston they may just possibly visit the town centre whilst here, pity they could not have incorporated a park and ride between both.[/p][/quote]Can they not?[/p][/quote]In my view they could, and it would be useful, but of course the parking area would take some of the land so may not be desirable to the owner. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 1

3:03pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Do people actually watch the road if they are busy looking in the shop windows as they drive past and happen to see something they like and manage to find a parking space nearby to go and buy it. I always find up country towns far too busy to get parked in the main high street, in fact many are double yellow lines and you have to find a car park.
Do people actually watch the road if they are busy looking in the shop windows as they drive past and happen to see something they like and manage to find a parking space nearby to go and buy it. I always find up country towns far too busy to get parked in the main high street, in fact many are double yellow lines and you have to find a car park. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 2

3:41pm Thu 20 Feb 14

meerkats says...

There are a lot of negative comments on here regarding pedestrianisation , but i think it would be best to try it out and see what effect it does have on the shops etc rather than dismissing it all together.
There are a lot of negative comments on here regarding pedestrianisation , but i think it would be best to try it out and see what effect it does have on the shops etc rather than dismissing it all together. meerkats
  • Score: 0

4:05pm Thu 20 Feb 14

meerkats says...

road_hogg wrote:
We're in Cornwall, not up country!

I've not been to Redruth since they shut the main street, merely drive through on the way to other places.
Neither do I visit Falmouth now.

I've been to towns up country where I was driving through and something caught my eye, so I parked up and went to the shop and purchased it, had it not been for being able to drive through I would not have seen it and got it.

Where would all the cars go if they couldn't drive through the main street?
i had to go to iceland recently and went to the Falmouth one , with the original plan of only going there, but as i had plenty of time on the car park ticket, decided to have a look round and therefore spent money in other shops (only ones that Helston doesnt have before anyone says about not supporting the town ) my point being that if people have to use the car parks instead of parking in Meneage Street and just popping into a shop for one thing it may encourage people to take time and look around more and spend more.
[quote][p][bold]road_hogg[/bold] wrote: We're in Cornwall, not up country! I've not been to Redruth since they shut the main street, merely drive through on the way to other places. Neither do I visit Falmouth now. I've been to towns up country where I was driving through and something caught my eye, so I parked up and went to the shop and purchased it, had it not been for being able to drive through I would not have seen it and got it. Where would all the cars go if they couldn't drive through the main street?[/p][/quote]i had to go to iceland recently and went to the Falmouth one , with the original plan of only going there, but as i had plenty of time on the car park ticket, decided to have a look round and therefore spent money in other shops (only ones that Helston doesnt have before anyone says about not supporting the town ) my point being that if people have to use the car parks instead of parking in Meneage Street and just popping into a shop for one thing it may encourage people to take time and look around more and spend more. meerkats
  • Score: 0

4:07pm Thu 20 Feb 14

krazyitchkatie says...

If you're happy not to hide behind a pseudonym on here, then there is a Facebook group debating the issue... https://www.facebook
.com/pedestrianising
helston
If you're happy not to hide behind a pseudonym on here, then there is a Facebook group debating the issue... https://www.facebook .com/pedestrianising helston krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 0

4:38pm Thu 20 Feb 14

krazyitchkatie says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
If you're happy not to hide behind a pseudonym on here, then there is a Facebook group debating the issue... https://www.facebook

.com/pedestrianising

helston
(that's where I got my info from on previous posts, in case you recognise it lol)
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: If you're happy not to hide behind a pseudonym on here, then there is a Facebook group debating the issue... https://www.facebook .com/pedestrianising helston[/p][/quote](that's where I got my info from on previous posts, in case you recognise it lol) krazyitchkatie
  • Score: -5

8:47am Fri 21 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
If you're happy not to hide behind a pseudonym on here, then there is a Facebook group debating the issue... https://www.facebook

.com/pedestrianising

helston
Thanks Katie have had a look but not that fond of facebook.
Got no idea who this fellow is but his ideas would do enormous damage to whats left of the town centre.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: If you're happy not to hide behind a pseudonym on here, then there is a Facebook group debating the issue... https://www.facebook .com/pedestrianising helston[/p][/quote]Thanks Katie have had a look but not that fond of facebook. Got no idea who this fellow is but his ideas would do enormous damage to whats left of the town centre. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -3

9:00am Fri 21 Feb 14

krazyitchkatie says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
If you're happy not to hide behind a pseudonym on here, then there is a Facebook group debating the issue... https://www.facebook


.com/pedestrianising


helston
Thanks Katie have had a look but not that fond of facebook.
Got no idea who this fellow is but his ideas would do enormous damage to whats left of the town centre.
It's not for everyone :-)

Which fellow, and what ideas?
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: If you're happy not to hide behind a pseudonym on here, then there is a Facebook group debating the issue... https://www.facebook .com/pedestrianising helston[/p][/quote]Thanks Katie have had a look but not that fond of facebook. Got no idea who this fellow is but his ideas would do enormous damage to whats left of the town centre.[/p][/quote]It's not for everyone :-) Which fellow, and what ideas? krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 4

9:14am Fri 21 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

The person who started the page.
The person who started the page. ronedgcumbe
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9:15am Fri 21 Feb 14

krazyitchkatie says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
The person who started the page.
But it's a neutral page for everyone else's ideas?

About
It's a contentious issue, and one us locals all have an opinion on.
But let's make it opinions that are based on facts rather than hearsay.
Description
This page aims to present factual information about pedestrianisation of Meneage Street in Helston. At the time of setting up this page, it is only an idea, yet to be investigated, but strong feeling has meant that rumours are spreading, so let's get the facts straight.

We will present information we know to be true. Everyone can have their say and debate the issues till the cows come home. We will present the page to the appropriate authorities.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: The person who started the page.[/p][/quote]But it's a neutral page for everyone else's ideas? About It's a contentious issue, and one us locals all have an opinion on. But let's make it opinions that are based on facts rather than hearsay. Description This page aims to present factual information about pedestrianisation of Meneage Street in Helston. At the time of setting up this page, it is only an idea, yet to be investigated, but strong feeling has meant that rumours are spreading, so let's get the facts straight. We will present information we know to be true. Everyone can have their say and debate the issues till the cows come home. We will present the page to the appropriate authorities. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 1

9:28am Fri 21 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Dont agree. Looks like the self destruct button to me.
The only people to gain from this will be the supermarkets.
Dont agree. Looks like the self destruct button to me. The only people to gain from this will be the supermarkets. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -2

9:34am Fri 21 Feb 14

krazyitchkatie says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Dont agree. Looks like the self destruct button to me.
The only people to gain from this will be the supermarkets.
Lol well we'll have to agree to disagree then - I certainly haven't got the same impression as you about it. There are some very blinkered people on there though, with emotional responses rather than constructive ones - fair enough initially but this is important and needs to be considered rationally.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Dont agree. Looks like the self destruct button to me. The only people to gain from this will be the supermarkets.[/p][/quote]Lol well we'll have to agree to disagree then - I certainly haven't got the same impression as you about it. There are some very blinkered people on there though, with emotional responses rather than constructive ones - fair enough initially but this is important and needs to be considered rationally. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 6

9:49am Fri 21 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Yes I agree Katie.
I think continuing to discuss this disastrous proposal adds to its legitimacy. Hopefully it will soon be swept under the carpet before any serious damage is coursed.
Yes I agree Katie. I think continuing to discuss this disastrous proposal adds to its legitimacy. Hopefully it will soon be swept under the carpet before any serious damage is coursed. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -6

10:36am Fri 21 Feb 14

miss perfect says...

I like my psydonym and dont use facebook
when i went to pz the road is restricted to public service vehicle only,couldnt this be tried in helston menege st ?
I like my psydonym and dont use facebook when i went to pz the road is restricted to public service vehicle only,couldnt this be tried in helston menege st ? miss perfect
  • Score: -8

10:38am Fri 21 Feb 14

krazyitchkatie says...

miss perfect wrote:
I like my psydonym and dont use facebook
when i went to pz the road is restricted to public service vehicle only,couldnt this be tried in helston menege st ?
It could.
[quote][p][bold]miss perfect[/bold] wrote: I like my psydonym and dont use facebook when i went to pz the road is restricted to public service vehicle only,couldnt this be tried in helston menege st ?[/p][/quote]It could. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: -3

4:07pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Bobbster says...

Didn't trade actually increase when the road was closed for roadworks a while ago? I can sure there are many arguments for and against this idea. Reading between the lines all the people who have expressed opinions do not have any factual evidence to back up there claims that it would destroy Helston or on the other hand be good for Helston. I personally think it would be good for Helston but it certainly needs to be looked at carefully before making such a decision. Lets face it Helston needs change, daying NO to every idea does not help. It just one of the idea's that should be discussed, there are traders in Helston but also there are shoppers and surely if the majority of shoppers would like to see change wouldn't that be good for trade?
Didn't trade actually increase when the road was closed for roadworks a while ago? I can sure there are many arguments for and against this idea. Reading between the lines all the people who have expressed opinions do not have any factual evidence to back up there claims that it would destroy Helston or on the other hand be good for Helston. I personally think it would be good for Helston but it certainly needs to be looked at carefully before making such a decision. Lets face it Helston needs change, daying NO to every idea does not help. It just one of the idea's that should be discussed, there are traders in Helston but also there are shoppers and surely if the majority of shoppers would like to see change wouldn't that be good for trade? Bobbster
  • Score: 1

10:40pm Wed 26 Feb 14

radiofreak says...

I come from a town which has been pedestrianised for some time and consider it has ruined the character and destroyed some businesses. What is has done is to create an area where people wander around looking over their shoulders for cyclists, who are still allowed (there have been several accidents) and buses which also still go through. It is now impossible to pick up goods that can't easily be carried to a car park (and charges are horrendously expensive, unlike Helston). It was a revelation to come here, be able to park for free for 30 mins, drive though if necessary, and enjoy a wonderful old-town atmosphere sadly lacking elsewhere. Don't do it Helston, you really don't need it and WILL regret it!!!
I come from a town which has been pedestrianised for some time and consider it has ruined the character and destroyed some businesses. What is has done is to create an area where people wander around looking over their shoulders for cyclists, who are still allowed (there have been several accidents) and buses which also still go through. It is now impossible to pick up goods that can't easily be carried to a car park (and charges are horrendously expensive, unlike Helston). It was a revelation to come here, be able to park for free for 30 mins, drive though if necessary, and enjoy a wonderful old-town atmosphere sadly lacking elsewhere. Don't do it Helston, you really don't need it and WILL regret it!!! radiofreak
  • Score: -1

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