Council tax rise, more cuts and £41m in savings needed as Cornwall Council approves 2014/2015 budget

Council tax rise confirmed as Cornwall Council approves 2014/2015 budget

Council tax rise confirmed as Cornwall Council approves 2014/2015 budget

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Members of Cornwall Council have today formally approved a budget of £505 million for 2014 / 2015, with more cuts in store and a council tax rise of just under two per cent.

The budget, which was endorsed at Tuesday's meeting by 71 votes to 35 with one abstention, is based on making savings of £41m in 2014/2015, with further reductions of £36m in Government funding expected by 2015/2016, and £93m by 2018/2019. This means the Council will need to find savings of up to £195m over the next five years.

The revenue budget, which was recommended by the Cabinet last month, is based on a 1.97 % increase in Council Tax – equating to a 47p per week increase (£24.51 a year) for a Band D property.

The Council voted in November 2013 to set an early budget, which it says has already resulted in savings of £7m. 

A council spokesman said: "Since 2010 the Council has been forced to find savings of £170m in its budget as a result of additional pressures and cuts in Government funding. The majority of these savings have been achieved through efficiencies, including reducing the number of senior managers, agency staff and consultants; selling surplus buildings, and delivering services in different ways, including creating arms length companies and trusts such as CORMAC, Leisure Services and Cornwall Housing and entering into a partnership with BT Cornwall.

"As a result of these efficiencies just £11 million of the savings have affected frontline services, enabling the Council to protect services for vulnerable people and maintain weekly rubbish collections and keep open libraries and leisure centres.

Council Leader John Pollard said “The plan was always to get an early budget agreed to enable us to minimise savings and start in the difficult process of the next stage of budget setting and business planning. We have achieved this.”

“Our council tax and budget setting process and the conclusion of a 1.97 per cent rise from the next year not only gained support in this chamber but widespread support outside. It has been scrutinised, we are ready to implement it and I am therefore seeking an affirmation from Council today to endorse the decisions made earlier.”

Over the past six months the authority has carried out the most extensive public consultation exercise in its history to give local residents, businesses, partners and staff the opportunity to have their say on where they felt cuts and savings could be made and to come forward with suggestions for increasing income.

Seconding the budget Alex Folkes, the Council’s Cabinet Member for Finance and Resources, said “We need to do what is right for Cornwall. We want to keep council tax as low as possible but we have to balance this against the need to provide services for the people of Cornwall. I believe this budget achieves this.

“We will continue to lobby the Government for more funding for Cornwall to bring us up to the same level as urban councils. We will also be calling on the Government to provide details of the financial settlement much earlier to provide both this Council and town and parish councils with greater clarity for our planning

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2:28pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

"Maintain weekly rubbish collections and keep open libraries and leisure centres"

There was me thinking that it was stated not very long ago, the reason we would keep weekly rubbish collections was actually because if it went fortnightly then full size wheelie bins would have to be provided in which to store rubbish, and the council could not afford to have wheelie bins supplied to everyone! Shame they did not protect the mobile library service.
In my view, the council should not be paying to run leisure centres in preference to other essential services.
"Maintain weekly rubbish collections and keep open libraries and leisure centres" There was me thinking that it was stated not very long ago, the reason we would keep weekly rubbish collections was actually because if it went fortnightly then full size wheelie bins would have to be provided in which to store rubbish, and the council could not afford to have wheelie bins supplied to everyone! Shame they did not protect the mobile library service. In my view, the council should not be paying to run leisure centres in preference to other essential services. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 25

2:52pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

"Enabling the council to protect services for vulnerable people"

I think it is a great shame they have closed some of the day centres and respite centres, and that some of the most vulnerable people on the lowest income now have to pay council tax which has pushed some into poverty level making them reliant on food banks.
"Enabling the council to protect services for vulnerable people" I think it is a great shame they have closed some of the day centres and respite centres, and that some of the most vulnerable people on the lowest income now have to pay council tax which has pushed some into poverty level making them reliant on food banks. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 17

3:48pm Tue 25 Feb 14

ElevenEleven says...

It's a shame the council are not allowed to charge 200% council tax on second homes; not likely to happen under this government though.
It's a shame the council are not allowed to charge 200% council tax on second homes; not likely to happen under this government though. ElevenEleven
  • Score: 19

5:34pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Teejay says...

Since some of the savings are made by reducing, stopping or devolving some services e.g. toilets, there must be a number of cabinet members with correspondingly reduced portfolios and responsibilities. Therefore there is no justification in keeping the same number of councillors.
What irks me is that we pay council tax for services that are now being withdrawn because central government is withdrawing its contributions at the same time as it ties the council's hand behind its back by capping any rise.
And I agree with eleveneleven that 2nd homes should pay a premium.
Since some of the savings are made by reducing, stopping or devolving some services e.g. toilets, there must be a number of cabinet members with correspondingly reduced portfolios and responsibilities. Therefore there is no justification in keeping the same number of councillors. What irks me is that we pay council tax for services that are now being withdrawn because central government is withdrawing its contributions at the same time as it ties the council's hand behind its back by capping any rise. And I agree with eleveneleven that 2nd homes should pay a premium. Teejay
  • Score: 18

6:55pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

I think the council tax increase figure of 1.97% lends itself to producing somewhat of an illusion, If the Cornwall Council tax rise was to have exceeded 2% a referendum would have been required which would have been costly whether or not it had been successful, the reality is however, with added town and parish precepts and the Devon and Cornwall Police precept, the figure rises well above that of which is promulgated.
I think the council tax increase figure of 1.97% lends itself to producing somewhat of an illusion, If the Cornwall Council tax rise was to have exceeded 2% a referendum would have been required which would have been costly whether or not it had been successful, the reality is however, with added town and parish precepts and the Devon and Cornwall Police precept, the figure rises well above that of which is promulgated. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 12

7:44pm Tue 25 Feb 14

ElevenEleven says...

I agree with Teejay, we could reduce the number of councillors. Perhaps even pay the remaining ones a bit more so they could dedicate more time to it.

Falmouth has five and most of them don't seem to actually do anything :/
I agree with Teejay, we could reduce the number of councillors. Perhaps even pay the remaining ones a bit more so they could dedicate more time to it. Falmouth has five and most of them don't seem to actually do anything :/ ElevenEleven
  • Score: -8

7:22am Thu 27 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Without a cap or any control on town council spending the figure is meaningless.
Without a cap or any control on town council spending the figure is meaningless. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 14

1:57pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Helston Observer says...

Typical Ron, doesn't know what he's talking about as usual and downer on Helston Town Council. It's people like this who would be the first to moan if the public toilets shut down (as Cornwall Council were going to), playgrounds closed (as Cornwall Council were going to) or the CCTV was taken away (same again). The town council stepped in to save and run these services, and sorry old fella, but they have to be paid for. Basically, people like Ron want everything for nothing and comment from a position of total ignorance.
Typical Ron, doesn't know what he's talking about as usual and downer on Helston Town Council. It's people like this who would be the first to moan if the public toilets shut down (as Cornwall Council were going to), playgrounds closed (as Cornwall Council were going to) or the CCTV was taken away (same again). The town council stepped in to save and run these services, and sorry old fella, but they have to be paid for. Basically, people like Ron want everything for nothing and comment from a position of total ignorance. Helston Observer
  • Score: -15

9:05pm Fri 28 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

I always think when someone resorts to insults they have lost the argument.
I always think when someone resorts to insults they have lost the argument. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 14

9:41pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Without a cap or any control on town council spending the figure is meaningless.
Cornwall Council tax, covers right across the board for services throughout the county, and therefore can be capped in as much as if it goes to 2% or above then a referendum must be sought. However, they cannot feasibly cap town and parish precepts because each town and parish differ in sizes and needs, what suits one town may not suit another. To cap town/parish precepts would tie the hands of some town councils and prevent them from providing services that other villages or towns might otherwise be able to afford. At present, all the local town and parish precepts differ, for this very reason, they all have different needs as to how and which services they need to provide.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Without a cap or any control on town council spending the figure is meaningless.[/p][/quote]Cornwall Council tax, covers right across the board for services throughout the county, and therefore can be capped in as much as if it goes to 2% or above then a referendum must be sought. However, they cannot feasibly cap town and parish precepts because each town and parish differ in sizes and needs, what suits one town may not suit another. To cap town/parish precepts would tie the hands of some town councils and prevent them from providing services that other villages or towns might otherwise be able to afford. At present, all the local town and parish precepts differ, for this very reason, they all have different needs as to how and which services they need to provide. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 15

9:57pm Fri 28 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Disagree. I think you will find the enormous increase in town council precips is is largely due to anticipation of a cap in 2015.
Disagree. I think you will find the enormous increase in town council precips is is largely due to anticipation of a cap in 2015. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 13

10:25pm Fri 28 Feb 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Without a cap or any control on town council spending the figure is meaningless.
Cornwall Council tax, covers right across the board for services throughout the county, and therefore can be capped in as much as if it goes to 2% or above then a referendum must be sought. However, they cannot feasibly cap town and parish precepts because each town and parish differ in sizes and needs, what suits one town may not suit another. To cap town/parish precepts would tie the hands of some town councils and prevent them from providing services that other villages or towns might otherwise be able to afford. At present, all the local town and parish precepts differ, for this very reason, they all have different needs as to how and which services they need to provide.
I would personaly like to see a referendum and people to decide the correct level of council tax in cornwall.
When services being axed for instance in restbite care for disabled children are deemed acceptable then clearly a rise in tax is unavoidable.
It is the system of local taxation which is at fault and an income based policy would be fairer. Those that can afford to pay more should.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Without a cap or any control on town council spending the figure is meaningless.[/p][/quote]Cornwall Council tax, covers right across the board for services throughout the county, and therefore can be capped in as much as if it goes to 2% or above then a referendum must be sought. However, they cannot feasibly cap town and parish precepts because each town and parish differ in sizes and needs, what suits one town may not suit another. To cap town/parish precepts would tie the hands of some town councils and prevent them from providing services that other villages or towns might otherwise be able to afford. At present, all the local town and parish precepts differ, for this very reason, they all have different needs as to how and which services they need to provide.[/p][/quote]I would personaly like to see a referendum and people to decide the correct level of council tax in cornwall. When services being axed for instance in restbite care for disabled children are deemed acceptable then clearly a rise in tax is unavoidable. It is the system of local taxation which is at fault and an income based policy would be fairer. Those that can afford to pay more should. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 13

7:02am Sat 1 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

A referendum would cost thousands and may not even come out in favour of an increase above the 2% and yet the cost of the referendum itself would result in an increase on council tax, we would therefore gain nothing in the way of extra money spent on services.

There may well be a government cap in 2015 or any future time, on town/parish precepts, however, it does not alter the fact that Cornwall Council has already recently transferred many services to town and parish councils and if they do not increase their precepts to the required degree we would lose these services. The government must have acknowledged that fact because they retracted their policy this year to initiate a cap on the spending of town/parish councils.

Cornwall Council tax is income based in as much as those on low incomes receive a discount. It would cost vast amounts of money to means test everyone in order to base payments on individual incomes and that cost would be incurred by all council tax payers, the administration costs are far cheaper for it to be based on property values.
A referendum would cost thousands and may not even come out in favour of an increase above the 2% and yet the cost of the referendum itself would result in an increase on council tax, we would therefore gain nothing in the way of extra money spent on services. There may well be a government cap in 2015 or any future time, on town/parish precepts, however, it does not alter the fact that Cornwall Council has already recently transferred many services to town and parish councils and if they do not increase their precepts to the required degree we would lose these services. The government must have acknowledged that fact because they retracted their policy this year to initiate a cap on the spending of town/parish councils. Cornwall Council tax is income based in as much as those on low incomes receive a discount. It would cost vast amounts of money to means test everyone in order to base payments on individual incomes and that cost would be incurred by all council tax payers, the administration costs are far cheaper for it to be based on property values. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 11

7:15am Sat 1 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Disagree. I think you will find the enormous increase in town council precips is is largely due to anticipation of a cap in 2015.
The increase in Town and Parish precepts is to cover the costs of recently transferred services, with a view to being able to retain the same level of services in coming years. If they anticipate a cap in 2015 then of course they need to forward think or else the transferred services provision would dry up in future years and we would lose services. The figure currently tabled with which to retain services has to take future funding cuts into consideration.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Disagree. I think you will find the enormous increase in town council precips is is largely due to anticipation of a cap in 2015.[/p][/quote]The increase in Town and Parish precepts is to cover the costs of recently transferred services, with a view to being able to retain the same level of services in coming years. If they anticipate a cap in 2015 then of course they need to forward think or else the transferred services provision would dry up in future years and we would lose services. The figure currently tabled with which to retain services has to take future funding cuts into consideration. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 13

8:07am Sat 1 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Sorry Gill but disagree. It is fundamentally wrong for town councils to be able to increase at will when even those on means tested benefits must pay while services that are absolutely vital for those that need them are cut.
Sorry Gill but disagree. It is fundamentally wrong for town councils to be able to increase at will when even those on means tested benefits must pay while services that are absolutely vital for those that need them are cut. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 13

8:15am Sat 1 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

How can it be right if important services that are popular with the majority are supported by the town council while services that are life changing for those that receive them are forced to close by this one sided cap.
How can it be right if important services that are popular with the majority are supported by the town council while services that are life changing for those that receive them are forced to close by this one sided cap. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 12

8:33am Sat 1 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Sorry Gill but disagree. It is fundamentally wrong for town councils to be able to increase at will when even those on means tested benefits must pay while services that are absolutely vital for those that need them are cut.
Lets not confuse Cornwall Council services with current Town Council services, it is Cornwall Council that has cut respite care provision and day centres which I am against, in addition to other services which affect vulnerable people, and some which penalise those living in more rural areas. It is also Cornwall Council that introduced the payment of council tax by those on means tested benefits, as you are obviously aware, this was due to cuts in government funding. The Town Council however has no control over these types of cuts to services and deals with locally provided services such as play parks, toilets, CCTV, etc, transferred from Cornwall Council, which are now in addition to their original responsibilities, and as I previously said, if they do not increase their precept we will lose these services. Losing CCTV and toilets would also have a knock on effect to trade in the town which in turn would not be good for the local economy. I doubt anyone likes increases, I don't, I am on a low fixed income but I do not wish to see essential local services withdrawn. The town council cannot take on services from Cornwall Council which they were pushed into, without raising the precept.
What is the alternative, close local facilities including those for young people?
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Sorry Gill but disagree. It is fundamentally wrong for town councils to be able to increase at will when even those on means tested benefits must pay while services that are absolutely vital for those that need them are cut.[/p][/quote]Lets not confuse Cornwall Council services with current Town Council services, it is Cornwall Council that has cut respite care provision and day centres which I am against, in addition to other services which affect vulnerable people, and some which penalise those living in more rural areas. It is also Cornwall Council that introduced the payment of council tax by those on means tested benefits, as you are obviously aware, this was due to cuts in government funding. The Town Council however has no control over these types of cuts to services and deals with locally provided services such as play parks, toilets, CCTV, etc, transferred from Cornwall Council, which are now in addition to their original responsibilities, and as I previously said, if they do not increase their precept we will lose these services. Losing CCTV and toilets would also have a knock on effect to trade in the town which in turn would not be good for the local economy. I doubt anyone likes increases, I don't, I am on a low fixed income but I do not wish to see essential local services withdrawn. The town council cannot take on services from Cornwall Council which they were pushed into, without raising the precept. What is the alternative, close local facilities including those for young people? Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 15

8:46am Sat 1 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

My peronal opinion would be a referendum to decide if cornish people want to see services maintained or not.
People who can afford to pay more should and those that are means tested should obviously not pay at all.
My peronal opinion would be a referendum to decide if cornish people want to see services maintained or not. People who can afford to pay more should and those that are means tested should obviously not pay at all. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 11

9:03am Sat 1 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
My peronal opinion would be a referendum to decide if cornish people want to see services maintained or not.
People who can afford to pay more should and those that are means tested should obviously not pay at all.
Cornwall Council did hold local consultations in many venues for the residents of Cornwall, prior to setting their budget, this was to ascertain what services people wanted.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: My peronal opinion would be a referendum to decide if cornish people want to see services maintained or not. People who can afford to pay more should and those that are means tested should obviously not pay at all.[/p][/quote]Cornwall Council did hold local consultations in many venues for the residents of Cornwall, prior to setting their budget, this was to ascertain what services people wanted. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 13

9:17am Sat 1 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

These consultation and surveys are attended by a small minority as the common assumption is that is just to cover just whatever they need to do anyway.
I think for example with the Helsto town survey it was less then 5%.
These consultation and surveys are attended by a small minority as the common assumption is that is just to cover just whatever they need to do anyway. I think for example with the Helsto town survey it was less then 5%. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 6

10:23am Sat 1 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
These consultation and surveys are attended by a small minority as the common assumption is that is just to cover just whatever they need to do anyway.
I think for example with the Helsto town survey it was less then 5%.
Yes, I agree, many consultations are attended by a small percentage of people but then that applies to many things including election turn out numbers.

Off topic, with the Helston consultations and survey I would credit the town council for making the effort to get the opinions of people and it has not been predetermined as to what the public realm S106 will be spent on, it is still open to discussion.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: These consultation and surveys are attended by a small minority as the common assumption is that is just to cover just whatever they need to do anyway. I think for example with the Helsto town survey it was less then 5%.[/p][/quote]Yes, I agree, many consultations are attended by a small percentage of people but then that applies to many things including election turn out numbers. Off topic, with the Helston consultations and survey I would credit the town council for making the effort to get the opinions of people and it has not been predetermined as to what the public realm S106 will be spent on, it is still open to discussion. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 10

10:34am Sat 1 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Yes it is good that Htc are making the effort to get the publics opinion on spending the supermarkets money just a shame so much has already been spent on all these employees with various job titles.
Yes it is good that Htc are making the effort to get the publics opinion on spending the supermarkets money just a shame so much has already been spent on all these employees with various job titles. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 8

1:29pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

When I lived in Helston I thought the council tax was good value for money. Ron did you ever stand for the TC vacancy after all?
When I lived in Helston I thought the council tax was good value for money. Ron did you ever stand for the TC vacancy after all? Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 11

4:41pm Sat 1 Mar 14

DCI Jen says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
When I lived in Helston I thought the council tax was good value for money. Ron did you ever stand for the TC vacancy after all?
No he didn't, the vacancy was filled unopposed.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: When I lived in Helston I thought the council tax was good value for money. Ron did you ever stand for the TC vacancy after all?[/p][/quote]No he didn't, the vacancy was filled unopposed. DCI Jen
  • Score: 2

4:58pm Sat 1 Mar 14

DCI Jen says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
My peronal opinion would be a referendum to decide if cornish people want to see services maintained or not.
People who can afford to pay more should and those that are means tested should obviously not pay at all.
What's the point in having a referendum to see if "Cornish" people want to see services maintained. (what about English/foreign people living in Cornwall?) The referendum would cost and what would it tell you, everyone might have a different opinion about each individual service they want kept so how would that help?. I don't agree people that are means tested on benefits shouldn't pay anything, we should all contribute for the services we receive, no matter how little the contribution may be. Or did you perhaps really mean have a referendum in Helston alone, to see if things like toilets, play parks, CCTV are wanted, because I don't suppose you're bothered about those things if you don't use them.
So what is your suggestion how the town council can save toilets, play areas and CCTV etc without upping the precept?
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: My peronal opinion would be a referendum to decide if cornish people want to see services maintained or not. People who can afford to pay more should and those that are means tested should obviously not pay at all.[/p][/quote]What's the point in having a referendum to see if "Cornish" people want to see services maintained. (what about English/foreign people living in Cornwall?) The referendum would cost and what would it tell you, everyone might have a different opinion about each individual service they want kept so how would that help?. I don't agree people that are means tested on benefits shouldn't pay anything, we should all contribute for the services we receive, no matter how little the contribution may be. Or did you perhaps really mean have a referendum in Helston alone, to see if things like toilets, play parks, CCTV are wanted, because I don't suppose you're bothered about those things if you don't use them. So what is your suggestion how the town council can save toilets, play areas and CCTV etc without upping the precept? DCI Jen
  • Score: -16

5:08pm Sat 1 Mar 14

DCI Jen says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Yes it is good that Htc are making the effort to get the publics opinion on spending the supermarkets money just a shame so much has already been spent on all these employees with various job titles.
The TC had to have a town manager as part of the agreement for the money so what would be the point in not having one and not having that part of the money. They also need a regeneration officer to deal with the public realm work and money, the Cllrs are volunteers not necessarily qualified to deal with that aspect, not every town or village gets S106 money to play with. The same applies for someone to deal with a BID application, that is not a run of the mill thing you expect volunteer Cllrs to deal with. They are looking at the long term bigger picture.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Yes it is good that Htc are making the effort to get the publics opinion on spending the supermarkets money just a shame so much has already been spent on all these employees with various job titles.[/p][/quote]The TC had to have a town manager as part of the agreement for the money so what would be the point in not having one and not having that part of the money. They also need a regeneration officer to deal with the public realm work and money, the Cllrs are volunteers not necessarily qualified to deal with that aspect, not every town or village gets S106 money to play with. The same applies for someone to deal with a BID application, that is not a run of the mill thing you expect volunteer Cllrs to deal with. They are looking at the long term bigger picture. DCI Jen
  • Score: -14

6:00pm Sat 1 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
When I lived in Helston I thought the council tax was good value for money. Ron did you ever stand for the TC vacancy after all?
No not at the moment but thanks for asking. Did concider it but not my ward and at the moment with the current demands for money would not be comfortable sitting there.
Good luck to whoever took it on.
Are you still in bonny jock land.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: When I lived in Helston I thought the council tax was good value for money. Ron did you ever stand for the TC vacancy after all?[/p][/quote]No not at the moment but thanks for asking. Did concider it but not my ward and at the moment with the current demands for money would not be comfortable sitting there. Good luck to whoever took it on. Are you still in bonny jock land. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 5

6:07pm Sat 1 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

The council precinct in Helston was good value untill recently.
Hopefully a change of direction in may.
The council precinct in Helston was good value untill recently. Hopefully a change of direction in may. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 12

6:16pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
The council precinct in Helston was good value untill recently.
Hopefully a change of direction in may.
Why do you hope for a change of direction in May Ron? In what way? and why?
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: The council precinct in Helston was good value untill recently. Hopefully a change of direction in may.[/p][/quote]Why do you hope for a change of direction in May Ron? In what way? and why? Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 16

6:13am Sun 2 Mar 14

DCI Jen says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
The council precinct in Helston was good value untill recently.
Hopefully a change of direction in may.
I assume you mean precept and not precinct, the precept has recently increased because recently the TC took on extra services from CC in the same way other towns have.
The only thing that is going to change with the town council according to the Packet, in May, is the Mayor, so why don't you just say what you really mean because you have had digs about him in the past and said he was a weak leader. Changing the Mayor won't alter their budget he didn't devise the budget on his own, there is a finance committee for a start.
You said the original TC should all stand down then since the elections you said all of this current TC should stand down. You seem to me good at picking fault in the council yet you don't come up with any real alternative suggestions what they could do yourself. So much for you standing for the vacancy, it didn't make any difference it wasn't your ward, you're supposed to want to represent the whole town, its a town council not CC. As for you saying about you would not happy sitting on it when they are asking for money, which is to save services, well that says it all to me.

I love ElevenElevens comment because he says what he actually means about Falmouth, no underhand digs from him, just open honest opinion.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: The council precinct in Helston was good value untill recently. Hopefully a change of direction in may.[/p][/quote]I assume you mean precept and not precinct, the precept has recently increased because recently the TC took on extra services from CC in the same way other towns have. The only thing that is going to change with the town council according to the Packet, in May, is the Mayor, so why don't you just say what you really mean because you have had digs about him in the past and said he was a weak leader. Changing the Mayor won't alter their budget he didn't devise the budget on his own, there is a finance committee for a start. You said the original TC should all stand down then since the elections you said all of this current TC should stand down. You seem to me good at picking fault in the council yet you don't come up with any real alternative suggestions what they could do yourself. So much for you standing for the vacancy, it didn't make any difference it wasn't your ward, you're supposed to want to represent the whole town, its a town council not CC. As for you saying about you would not happy sitting on it when they are asking for money, which is to save services, well that says it all to me. I love ElevenElevens comment because he says what he actually means about Falmouth, no underhand digs from him, just open honest opinion. DCI Jen
  • Score: -9

4:27pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Having now by chance watched for myself the scores go right up on ronedgcumbe's comments within a space of a couple of minutes and down on others, I realise how ludicrous it all is and means nothing.(about 20 people same day, same time simultaneously, I don't think so) Just a pity he didn't bother to answer questions posed to him, what would he do to prevent a council tax rise? and trumping out a referendum wouldn't stop a rise just more likely to increase it, there are a lot of rich voters in Cornwall as well. CC made the mistake I think of freezing it for a few years so it has to go up now quite a bit as the cost of services rises every year, for one thing petrol prices have increased over the years and this is contributory to providing some services.
No good either I think trying for the sympathy vote every time about only the services that affect the individual, everyone has different needs of essential services. The government won't tax second homes highly because too many MPs have second homes.
As for the police slice of the council tax money, they are pushing the council tax up asking for yet more money again while we get less, whatever happened to the last money they asked for and said it was to protect frontline policing and neighbourhood policing, what neighbourhood policing? I thought the highly paid crime commissioner was supposed to save money.
Having now by chance watched for myself the scores go right up on ronedgcumbe's comments within a space of a couple of minutes and down on others, I realise how ludicrous it all is and means nothing.(about 20 people same day, same time simultaneously, I don't think so) Just a pity he didn't bother to answer questions posed to him, what would he do to prevent a council tax rise? and trumping out a referendum wouldn't stop a rise just more likely to increase it, there are a lot of rich voters in Cornwall as well. CC made the mistake I think of freezing it for a few years so it has to go up now quite a bit as the cost of services rises every year, for one thing petrol prices have increased over the years and this is contributory to providing some services. No good either I think trying for the sympathy vote every time about only the services that affect the individual, everyone has different needs of essential services. The government won't tax second homes highly because too many MPs have second homes. As for the police slice of the council tax money, they are pushing the council tax up asking for yet more money again while we get less, whatever happened to the last money they asked for and said it was to protect frontline policing and neighbourhood policing, what neighbourhood policing? I thought the highly paid crime commissioner was supposed to save money. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 9

6:07pm Sun 2 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Having now by chance watched for myself the scores go right up on ronedgcumbe's comments within a space of a couple of minutes and down on others, I realise how ludicrous it all is and means nothing.(about 20 people same day, same time simultaneously, I don't think so) Just a pity he didn't bother to answer questions posed to him, what would he do to prevent a council tax rise? and trumping out a referendum wouldn't stop a rise just more likely to increase it, there are a lot of rich voters in Cornwall as well. CC made the mistake I think of freezing it for a few years so it has to go up now quite a bit as the cost of services rises every year, for one thing petrol prices have increased over the years and this is contributory to providing some services.
No good either I think trying for the sympathy vote every time about only the services that affect the individual, everyone has different needs of essential services. The government won't tax second homes highly because too many MPs have second homes.
As for the police slice of the council tax money, they are pushing the council tax up asking for yet more money again while we get less, whatever happened to the last money they asked for and said it was to protect frontline policing and neighbourhood policing, what neighbourhood policing? I thought the highly paid crime commissioner was supposed to save money.
I said a referendum would be a good idea to find out if the residents of cornwall actually want to protect services that are vital for those that use them or simply raise the town council precip for lavatories ext.
Do not understand what you mean by sympathy vote as I have nothing personally to gain from the example I used.
I do actually agree with you on this voting thing.
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: Having now by chance watched for myself the scores go right up on ronedgcumbe's comments within a space of a couple of minutes and down on others, I realise how ludicrous it all is and means nothing.(about 20 people same day, same time simultaneously, I don't think so) Just a pity he didn't bother to answer questions posed to him, what would he do to prevent a council tax rise? and trumping out a referendum wouldn't stop a rise just more likely to increase it, there are a lot of rich voters in Cornwall as well. CC made the mistake I think of freezing it for a few years so it has to go up now quite a bit as the cost of services rises every year, for one thing petrol prices have increased over the years and this is contributory to providing some services. No good either I think trying for the sympathy vote every time about only the services that affect the individual, everyone has different needs of essential services. The government won't tax second homes highly because too many MPs have second homes. As for the police slice of the council tax money, they are pushing the council tax up asking for yet more money again while we get less, whatever happened to the last money they asked for and said it was to protect frontline policing and neighbourhood policing, what neighbourhood policing? I thought the highly paid crime commissioner was supposed to save money.[/p][/quote]I said a referendum would be a good idea to find out if the residents of cornwall actually want to protect services that are vital for those that use them or simply raise the town council precip for lavatories ext. Do not understand what you mean by sympathy vote as I have nothing personally to gain from the example I used. I do actually agree with you on this voting thing. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 3

6:29pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Having now by chance watched for myself the scores go right up on ronedgcumbe's comments within a space of a couple of minutes and down on others, I realise how ludicrous it all is and means nothing.(about 20 people same day, same time simultaneously, I don't think so) Just a pity he didn't bother to answer questions posed to him, what would he do to prevent a council tax rise? and trumping out a referendum wouldn't stop a rise just more likely to increase it, there are a lot of rich voters in Cornwall as well. CC made the mistake I think of freezing it for a few years so it has to go up now quite a bit as the cost of services rises every year, for one thing petrol prices have increased over the years and this is contributory to providing some services.
No good either I think trying for the sympathy vote every time about only the services that affect the individual, everyone has different needs of essential services. The government won't tax second homes highly because too many MPs have second homes.
As for the police slice of the council tax money, they are pushing the council tax up asking for yet more money again while we get less, whatever happened to the last money they asked for and said it was to protect frontline policing and neighbourhood policing, what neighbourhood policing? I thought the highly paid crime commissioner was supposed to save money.
I said a referendum would be a good idea to find out if the residents of cornwall actually want to protect services that are vital for those that use them or simply raise the town council precip for lavatories ext.
Do not understand what you mean by sympathy vote as I have nothing personally to gain from the example I used.
I do actually agree with you on this voting thing.
Obviously people would vote to keep vital services so you would pay all that money for a referendum to tell you what is common sense, they got the idea at the consultations, but the money allocation doesn't work like that, town councils have their own budget and it doesn't matter who votes what, or what Cornwall Council cut back on, the town councils budget is theirs and unless you change government legislation for council budgets you can't redistribute the money.
As for Helston when they closed one toilet there was uproar and again when they thought the CCTV was going to be stopped and if you saw how many hundreds of children use the play parks with the another one recently opened at Bulwark Rd I think that would tell you what hundreds of people want for the local area. As a county that relies on tourism not many people visitors or businesses are going to vote to shut all the toilets.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: Having now by chance watched for myself the scores go right up on ronedgcumbe's comments within a space of a couple of minutes and down on others, I realise how ludicrous it all is and means nothing.(about 20 people same day, same time simultaneously, I don't think so) Just a pity he didn't bother to answer questions posed to him, what would he do to prevent a council tax rise? and trumping out a referendum wouldn't stop a rise just more likely to increase it, there are a lot of rich voters in Cornwall as well. CC made the mistake I think of freezing it for a few years so it has to go up now quite a bit as the cost of services rises every year, for one thing petrol prices have increased over the years and this is contributory to providing some services. No good either I think trying for the sympathy vote every time about only the services that affect the individual, everyone has different needs of essential services. The government won't tax second homes highly because too many MPs have second homes. As for the police slice of the council tax money, they are pushing the council tax up asking for yet more money again while we get less, whatever happened to the last money they asked for and said it was to protect frontline policing and neighbourhood policing, what neighbourhood policing? I thought the highly paid crime commissioner was supposed to save money.[/p][/quote]I said a referendum would be a good idea to find out if the residents of cornwall actually want to protect services that are vital for those that use them or simply raise the town council precip for lavatories ext. Do not understand what you mean by sympathy vote as I have nothing personally to gain from the example I used. I do actually agree with you on this voting thing.[/p][/quote]Obviously people would vote to keep vital services so you would pay all that money for a referendum to tell you what is common sense, they got the idea at the consultations, but the money allocation doesn't work like that, town councils have their own budget and it doesn't matter who votes what, or what Cornwall Council cut back on, the town councils budget is theirs and unless you change government legislation for council budgets you can't redistribute the money. As for Helston when they closed one toilet there was uproar and again when they thought the CCTV was going to be stopped and if you saw how many hundreds of children use the play parks with the another one recently opened at Bulwark Rd I think that would tell you what hundreds of people want for the local area. As a county that relies on tourism not many people visitors or businesses are going to vote to shut all the toilets. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 5

6:45pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Maybe the council tax portion of money that the police ask for should differ for the different towns, Helston has no police station open to the public and from what I am told the villages see very little police presence anymore, neighbourhood policing in villages seems to have disappeared. Don't see how they can justify the extortionate cost of a police commissioner and his expenses and a swimming pool at police headquarters in Devon and then ask for a high percentage to be added once again onto our council tax.
Maybe the council tax portion of money that the police ask for should differ for the different towns, Helston has no police station open to the public and from what I am told the villages see very little police presence anymore, neighbourhood policing in villages seems to have disappeared. Don't see how they can justify the extortionate cost of a police commissioner and his expenses and a swimming pool at police headquarters in Devon and then ask for a high percentage to be added once again onto our council tax. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 7

6:54pm Sun 2 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Having now by chance watched for myself the scores go right up on ronedgcumbe's comments within a space of a couple of minutes and down on others, I realise how ludicrous it all is and means nothing.(about 20 people same day, same time simultaneously, I don't think so) Just a pity he didn't bother to answer questions posed to him, what would he do to prevent a council tax rise? and trumping out a referendum wouldn't stop a rise just more likely to increase it, there are a lot of rich voters in Cornwall as well. CC made the mistake I think of freezing it for a few years so it has to go up now quite a bit as the cost of services rises every year, for one thing petrol prices have increased over the years and this is contributory to providing some services.
No good either I think trying for the sympathy vote every time about only the services that affect the individual, everyone has different needs of essential services. The government won't tax second homes highly because too many MPs have second homes.
As for the police slice of the council tax money, they are pushing the council tax up asking for yet more money again while we get less, whatever happened to the last money they asked for and said it was to protect frontline policing and neighbourhood policing, what neighbourhood policing? I thought the highly paid crime commissioner was supposed to save money.
I said a referendum would be a good idea to find out if the residents of cornwall actually want to protect services that are vital for those that use them or simply raise the town council precip for lavatories ext.
Do not understand what you mean by sympathy vote as I have nothing personally to gain from the example I used.
I do actually agree with you on this voting thing.
Obviously people would vote to keep vital services so you would pay all that money for a referendum to tell you what is common sense, they got the idea at the consultations, but the money allocation doesn't work like that, town councils have their own budget and it doesn't matter who votes what, or what Cornwall Council cut back on, the town councils budget is theirs and unless you change government legislation for council budgets you can't redistribute the money.
As for Helston when they closed one toilet there was uproar and again when they thought the CCTV was going to be stopped and if you saw how many hundreds of children use the play parks with the another one recently opened at Bulwark Rd I think that would tell you what hundreds of people want for the local area. As a county that relies on tourism not many people visitors or businesses are going to vote to shut all the toilets.
No of course I do not wish to see toilets close except for the ones at greenhouse way which where filthy and a eyesore.
Transferring services from county to local council does not seem to work as county services that are vital for a small percentage of people are closed while services transferred to local councils that are popular with the majority of people prosper.
I do not underestimate the importance of public toilets and playgrounds but a referendum I think would be a good idea as to whether people are prepared to pay more for services.
Simply transferring services to town council is not the answer as council tax rates still increase.
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: Having now by chance watched for myself the scores go right up on ronedgcumbe's comments within a space of a couple of minutes and down on others, I realise how ludicrous it all is and means nothing.(about 20 people same day, same time simultaneously, I don't think so) Just a pity he didn't bother to answer questions posed to him, what would he do to prevent a council tax rise? and trumping out a referendum wouldn't stop a rise just more likely to increase it, there are a lot of rich voters in Cornwall as well. CC made the mistake I think of freezing it for a few years so it has to go up now quite a bit as the cost of services rises every year, for one thing petrol prices have increased over the years and this is contributory to providing some services. No good either I think trying for the sympathy vote every time about only the services that affect the individual, everyone has different needs of essential services. The government won't tax second homes highly because too many MPs have second homes. As for the police slice of the council tax money, they are pushing the council tax up asking for yet more money again while we get less, whatever happened to the last money they asked for and said it was to protect frontline policing and neighbourhood policing, what neighbourhood policing? I thought the highly paid crime commissioner was supposed to save money.[/p][/quote]I said a referendum would be a good idea to find out if the residents of cornwall actually want to protect services that are vital for those that use them or simply raise the town council precip for lavatories ext. Do not understand what you mean by sympathy vote as I have nothing personally to gain from the example I used. I do actually agree with you on this voting thing.[/p][/quote]Obviously people would vote to keep vital services so you would pay all that money for a referendum to tell you what is common sense, they got the idea at the consultations, but the money allocation doesn't work like that, town councils have their own budget and it doesn't matter who votes what, or what Cornwall Council cut back on, the town councils budget is theirs and unless you change government legislation for council budgets you can't redistribute the money. As for Helston when they closed one toilet there was uproar and again when they thought the CCTV was going to be stopped and if you saw how many hundreds of children use the play parks with the another one recently opened at Bulwark Rd I think that would tell you what hundreds of people want for the local area. As a county that relies on tourism not many people visitors or businesses are going to vote to shut all the toilets.[/p][/quote]No of course I do not wish to see toilets close except for the ones at greenhouse way which where filthy and a eyesore. Transferring services from county to local council does not seem to work as county services that are vital for a small percentage of people are closed while services transferred to local councils that are popular with the majority of people prosper. I do not underestimate the importance of public toilets and playgrounds but a referendum I think would be a good idea as to whether people are prepared to pay more for services. Simply transferring services to town council is not the answer as council tax rates still increase. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -3

7:00pm Sun 2 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Should be trengrouse way not greenhouse. Phone being silly again.
I actually saw a policeman dressed as a policeman patrolling the high street recently. Sorry to say I was in Somerset not cornwall.
Should be trengrouse way not greenhouse. Phone being silly again. I actually saw a policeman dressed as a policeman patrolling the high street recently. Sorry to say I was in Somerset not cornwall. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 6

7:35pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Having now by chance watched for myself the scores go right up on ronedgcumbe's comments within a space of a couple of minutes and down on others, I realise how ludicrous it all is and means nothing.(about 20 people same day, same time simultaneously, I don't think so) Just a pity he didn't bother to answer questions posed to him, what would he do to prevent a council tax rise? and trumping out a referendum wouldn't stop a rise just more likely to increase it, there are a lot of rich voters in Cornwall as well. CC made the mistake I think of freezing it for a few years so it has to go up now quite a bit as the cost of services rises every year, for one thing petrol prices have increased over the years and this is contributory to providing some services.
No good either I think trying for the sympathy vote every time about only the services that affect the individual, everyone has different needs of essential services. The government won't tax second homes highly because too many MPs have second homes.
As for the police slice of the council tax money, they are pushing the council tax up asking for yet more money again while we get less, whatever happened to the last money they asked for and said it was to protect frontline policing and neighbourhood policing, what neighbourhood policing? I thought the highly paid crime commissioner was supposed to save money.
I said a referendum would be a good idea to find out if the residents of cornwall actually want to protect services that are vital for those that use them or simply raise the town council precip for lavatories ext.
Do not understand what you mean by sympathy vote as I have nothing personally to gain from the example I used.
I do actually agree with you on this voting thing.
Obviously people would vote to keep vital services so you would pay all that money for a referendum to tell you what is common sense, they got the idea at the consultations, but the money allocation doesn't work like that, town councils have their own budget and it doesn't matter who votes what, or what Cornwall Council cut back on, the town councils budget is theirs and unless you change government legislation for council budgets you can't redistribute the money.
As for Helston when they closed one toilet there was uproar and again when they thought the CCTV was going to be stopped and if you saw how many hundreds of children use the play parks with the another one recently opened at Bulwark Rd I think that would tell you what hundreds of people want for the local area. As a county that relies on tourism not many people visitors or businesses are going to vote to shut all the toilets.
No of course I do not wish to see toilets close except for the ones at greenhouse way which where filthy and a eyesore.
Transferring services from county to local council does not seem to work as county services that are vital for a small percentage of people are closed while services transferred to local councils that are popular with the majority of people prosper.
I do not underestimate the importance of public toilets and playgrounds but a referendum I think would be a good idea as to whether people are prepared to pay more for services.
Simply transferring services to town council is not the answer as council tax rates still increase.
The unitary authority would still put council tax up and cut services because of government funding cuts even if they hadn't transferred any services and the services transferred to the town council will be cheaper to run at local level, for a start, the cleaning of toilets at local level is cheaper than C councils cross county scheme.
At least this way the town council have saved the services.
I knew you meant Trengrouse Way.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: Having now by chance watched for myself the scores go right up on ronedgcumbe's comments within a space of a couple of minutes and down on others, I realise how ludicrous it all is and means nothing.(about 20 people same day, same time simultaneously, I don't think so) Just a pity he didn't bother to answer questions posed to him, what would he do to prevent a council tax rise? and trumping out a referendum wouldn't stop a rise just more likely to increase it, there are a lot of rich voters in Cornwall as well. CC made the mistake I think of freezing it for a few years so it has to go up now quite a bit as the cost of services rises every year, for one thing petrol prices have increased over the years and this is contributory to providing some services. No good either I think trying for the sympathy vote every time about only the services that affect the individual, everyone has different needs of essential services. The government won't tax second homes highly because too many MPs have second homes. As for the police slice of the council tax money, they are pushing the council tax up asking for yet more money again while we get less, whatever happened to the last money they asked for and said it was to protect frontline policing and neighbourhood policing, what neighbourhood policing? I thought the highly paid crime commissioner was supposed to save money.[/p][/quote]I said a referendum would be a good idea to find out if the residents of cornwall actually want to protect services that are vital for those that use them or simply raise the town council precip for lavatories ext. Do not understand what you mean by sympathy vote as I have nothing personally to gain from the example I used. I do actually agree with you on this voting thing.[/p][/quote]Obviously people would vote to keep vital services so you would pay all that money for a referendum to tell you what is common sense, they got the idea at the consultations, but the money allocation doesn't work like that, town councils have their own budget and it doesn't matter who votes what, or what Cornwall Council cut back on, the town councils budget is theirs and unless you change government legislation for council budgets you can't redistribute the money. As for Helston when they closed one toilet there was uproar and again when they thought the CCTV was going to be stopped and if you saw how many hundreds of children use the play parks with the another one recently opened at Bulwark Rd I think that would tell you what hundreds of people want for the local area. As a county that relies on tourism not many people visitors or businesses are going to vote to shut all the toilets.[/p][/quote]No of course I do not wish to see toilets close except for the ones at greenhouse way which where filthy and a eyesore. Transferring services from county to local council does not seem to work as county services that are vital for a small percentage of people are closed while services transferred to local councils that are popular with the majority of people prosper. I do not underestimate the importance of public toilets and playgrounds but a referendum I think would be a good idea as to whether people are prepared to pay more for services. Simply transferring services to town council is not the answer as council tax rates still increase.[/p][/quote]The unitary authority would still put council tax up and cut services because of government funding cuts even if they hadn't transferred any services and the services transferred to the town council will be cheaper to run at local level, for a start, the cleaning of toilets at local level is cheaper than C councils cross county scheme. At least this way the town council have saved the services. I knew you meant Trengrouse Way. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 5

1:36pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Bkcurran says...

just had new council tax and its up by 10%.£1700-£1870.
just had new council tax and its up by 10%.£1700-£1870. Bkcurran
  • Score: 1

1:44pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Bkcurran says...

Bkcurran wrote:
just had new council tax and its up by 10%.£1700-£1870.
correction £1780 -£1880ish nearly 7%......
[quote][p][bold]Bkcurran[/bold] wrote: just had new council tax and its up by 10%.£1700-£1870.[/p][/quote]correction £1780 -£1880ish nearly 7%...... Bkcurran
  • Score: 1

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