No change parking machines in Cornwall rake in £300,000 extra cash

No change parking machines in Cornwall rake in £300,000 extra cash

No change parking machines in Cornwall rake in £300,000 extra cash

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Parking machines that do not give change are making more than £300,000 a year for Cornwall Council. a Freedom of Information request has highlighted.

While £11.6m was paid in parking fees, an estimated £307,293 was due to an "over-vend", where people do not have the correct change.

However Cornwall Council says that stocking the machines with change would create 'logistical problems, and lead to higher costs.

The council said: "In Cornwall, there are over 250 pay and display machines in locations from Bude to Porthcurnow and if these machines gave change there would have to be a mechanism to ensure they were continually stocked with sufficient change and to address the situation if they were not.

"The logistical problems of doing this would be great and would result in a high cost.

"The 'base level' of change would also be left in the machines at all times making them much more prone to vandalism and theft."

"The amount of overspend only represents about two per cent of our total income from car parking charges," it said.

"Like any surplus parking income, it is used to support transportation requirements such as road maintenance and concessionary bus fares."

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11:47am Wed 12 Mar 14

whizzowilliams says...

why do machines need to give out change ? time allowance on the tickets should simply reflect the amount of money paid in. surely the logical solution to this nonsense over-charge situation.
why do machines need to give out change ? time allowance on the tickets should simply reflect the amount of money paid in. surely the logical solution to this nonsense over-charge situation. whizzowilliams
  • Score: 2

12:20pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

I would like to see the official figures of the surplus money that has been spent on road repairs. I believe all income generated from parking fees is supposed to be reinvested by councils in road maintenance, I am however led to believe that many councils merge their car-parking income into their general funds for use on other services and do not entirely use it for road maintenance. Are figures available?
I would like to see the official figures of the surplus money that has been spent on road repairs. I believe all income generated from parking fees is supposed to be reinvested by councils in road maintenance, I am however led to believe that many councils merge their car-parking income into their general funds for use on other services and do not entirely use it for road maintenance. Are figures available? Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 5

3:57pm Wed 12 Mar 14

ElevenEleven says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
I would like to see the official figures of the surplus money that has been spent on road repairs. I believe all income generated from parking fees is supposed to be reinvested by councils in road maintenance, I am however led to believe that many councils merge their car-parking income into their general funds for use on other services and do not entirely use it for road maintenance. Are figures available?
What do we pay road tax for then?

And why should road repairs be paid for by people who use council car parks and not the whole motoring public?
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: I would like to see the official figures of the surplus money that has been spent on road repairs. I believe all income generated from parking fees is supposed to be reinvested by councils in road maintenance, I am however led to believe that many councils merge their car-parking income into their general funds for use on other services and do not entirely use it for road maintenance. Are figures available?[/p][/quote]What do we pay road tax for then? And why should road repairs be paid for by people who use council car parks and not the whole motoring public? ElevenEleven
  • Score: -4

4:49pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ElevenEleven wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
I would like to see the official figures of the surplus money that has been spent on road repairs. I believe all income generated from parking fees is supposed to be reinvested by councils in road maintenance, I am however led to believe that many councils merge their car-parking income into their general funds for use on other services and do not entirely use it for road maintenance. Are figures available?
What do we pay road tax for then?

And why should road repairs be paid for by people who use council car parks and not the whole motoring public?
I do not write the financial budget procedures or government legislative statements, I only read them! Apparently income generated by council car-parks is supposed to be reinvested into car-park and road maintenance, however, in practice this does not happen with all councils as the money tends to be merged into their general accounts.
I simply would like to know what exactly the car-park surplus money is spent on by Cornwall Council. For all I know it could be financing their iPads and iPhones at New County Hall!
[quote][p][bold]ElevenEleven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: I would like to see the official figures of the surplus money that has been spent on road repairs. I believe all income generated from parking fees is supposed to be reinvested by councils in road maintenance, I am however led to believe that many councils merge their car-parking income into their general funds for use on other services and do not entirely use it for road maintenance. Are figures available?[/p][/quote]What do we pay road tax for then? And why should road repairs be paid for by people who use council car parks and not the whole motoring public?[/p][/quote]I do not write the financial budget procedures or government legislative statements, I only read them! Apparently income generated by council car-parks is supposed to be reinvested into car-park and road maintenance, however, in practice this does not happen with all councils as the money tends to be merged into their general accounts. I simply would like to know what exactly the car-park surplus money is spent on by Cornwall Council. For all I know it could be financing their iPads and iPhones at New County Hall! Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 4

12:30pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

whizzowilliams wrote:
why do machines need to give out change ? time allowance on the tickets should simply reflect the amount of money paid in. surely the logical solution to this nonsense over-charge situation.
It wouldn't work in favour of the council, and they would have to alter all the machines at expense. It is currently a pound for two hours in Helston so if you put in a two pound coin it would have to give you four hours which would then be cheaper than the current four hours.
[quote][p][bold]whizzowilliams[/bold] wrote: why do machines need to give out change ? time allowance on the tickets should simply reflect the amount of money paid in. surely the logical solution to this nonsense over-charge situation.[/p][/quote]It wouldn't work in favour of the council, and they would have to alter all the machines at expense. It is currently a pound for two hours in Helston so if you put in a two pound coin it would have to give you four hours which would then be cheaper than the current four hours. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 3

10:47am Sat 15 Mar 14

Alanhj says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
whizzowilliams wrote:
why do machines need to give out change ? time allowance on the tickets should simply reflect the amount of money paid in. surely the logical solution to this nonsense over-charge situation.
It wouldn't work in favour of the council, and they would have to alter all the machines at expense. It is currently a pound for two hours in Helston so if you put in a two pound coin it would have to give you four hours which would then be cheaper than the current four hours.
There is no chance that Cornwall Council will install new parking machines that will give out change. Let's face it, it's not in their interest! I agree that any surplus monies from these machines should be re-invested into road repairs.
I would also like to see a standard car park charge throughout the County. Why, for example, is it more expensive to park in St.Ives than Truro?
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whizzowilliams[/bold] wrote: why do machines need to give out change ? time allowance on the tickets should simply reflect the amount of money paid in. surely the logical solution to this nonsense over-charge situation.[/p][/quote]It wouldn't work in favour of the council, and they would have to alter all the machines at expense. It is currently a pound for two hours in Helston so if you put in a two pound coin it would have to give you four hours which would then be cheaper than the current four hours.[/p][/quote]There is no chance that Cornwall Council will install new parking machines that will give out change. Let's face it, it's not in their interest! I agree that any surplus monies from these machines should be re-invested into road repairs. I would also like to see a standard car park charge throughout the County. Why, for example, is it more expensive to park in St.Ives than Truro? Alanhj
  • Score: 3

10:58am Sat 15 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Alanhj wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
whizzowilliams wrote:
why do machines need to give out change ? time allowance on the tickets should simply reflect the amount of money paid in. surely the logical solution to this nonsense over-charge situation.
It wouldn't work in favour of the council, and they would have to alter all the machines at expense. It is currently a pound for two hours in Helston so if you put in a two pound coin it would have to give you four hours which would then be cheaper than the current four hours.
There is no chance that Cornwall Council will install new parking machines that will give out change. Let's face it, it's not in their interest! I agree that any surplus monies from these machines should be re-invested into road repairs.
I would also like to see a standard car park charge throughout the County. Why, for example, is it more expensive to park in St.Ives than Truro?
I don't know the answer to that but I agree with you lol, Gill probably would probably know the answer.

Gill, why isn't there a standard car-park charge throughout the county?
[quote][p][bold]Alanhj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whizzowilliams[/bold] wrote: why do machines need to give out change ? time allowance on the tickets should simply reflect the amount of money paid in. surely the logical solution to this nonsense over-charge situation.[/p][/quote]It wouldn't work in favour of the council, and they would have to alter all the machines at expense. It is currently a pound for two hours in Helston so if you put in a two pound coin it would have to give you four hours which would then be cheaper than the current four hours.[/p][/quote]There is no chance that Cornwall Council will install new parking machines that will give out change. Let's face it, it's not in their interest! I agree that any surplus monies from these machines should be re-invested into road repairs. I would also like to see a standard car park charge throughout the County. Why, for example, is it more expensive to park in St.Ives than Truro?[/p][/quote]I don't know the answer to that but I agree with you lol, Gill probably would probably know the answer. Gill, why isn't there a standard car-park charge throughout the county? Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 3

11:14am Sat 15 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Alanhj wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
whizzowilliams wrote:
why do machines need to give out change ? time allowance on the tickets should simply reflect the amount of money paid in. surely the logical solution to this nonsense over-charge situation.
It wouldn't work in favour of the council, and they would have to alter all the machines at expense. It is currently a pound for two hours in Helston so if you put in a two pound coin it would have to give you four hours which would then be cheaper than the current four hours.
There is no chance that Cornwall Council will install new parking machines that will give out change. Let's face it, it's not in their interest! I agree that any surplus monies from these machines should be re-invested into road repairs.
I would also like to see a standard car park charge throughout the County. Why, for example, is it more expensive to park in St.Ives than Truro?
I don't know the answer to that but I agree with you lol, Gill probably would probably know the answer.

Gill, why isn't there a standard car-park charge throughout the county?
I am not sure, but I know when the previous Cornwall Council administration were in, a member of the councils car-parking advisory panel discussed parking charges with most of the towns in Cornwall (a couple of towns declined to meet and discuss as far as I believe) to decide what worked best for each individual town. I would imagine the scope within what they could choose was limited. I would guess charges differ according to size of town and facilities. Is the car-park referred to in St Ives council owned? The one I parked in at St Ives was a horrendous price but was privately owned.
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alanhj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whizzowilliams[/bold] wrote: why do machines need to give out change ? time allowance on the tickets should simply reflect the amount of money paid in. surely the logical solution to this nonsense over-charge situation.[/p][/quote]It wouldn't work in favour of the council, and they would have to alter all the machines at expense. It is currently a pound for two hours in Helston so if you put in a two pound coin it would have to give you four hours which would then be cheaper than the current four hours.[/p][/quote]There is no chance that Cornwall Council will install new parking machines that will give out change. Let's face it, it's not in their interest! I agree that any surplus monies from these machines should be re-invested into road repairs. I would also like to see a standard car park charge throughout the County. Why, for example, is it more expensive to park in St.Ives than Truro?[/p][/quote]I don't know the answer to that but I agree with you lol, Gill probably would probably know the answer. Gill, why isn't there a standard car-park charge throughout the county?[/p][/quote]I am not sure, but I know when the previous Cornwall Council administration were in, a member of the councils car-parking advisory panel discussed parking charges with most of the towns in Cornwall (a couple of towns declined to meet and discuss as far as I believe) to decide what worked best for each individual town. I would imagine the scope within what they could choose was limited. I would guess charges differ according to size of town and facilities. Is the car-park referred to in St Ives council owned? The one I parked in at St Ives was a horrendous price but was privately owned. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 3

1:32pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Thanks Gill. I think a pound for two hours in Helston is good but it goes up too steeply after that. I also think parking in the summer is better value in Porthleven than Poldhu if you want the sea, not that I go Poldhu very often.
Thanks Gill. I think a pound for two hours in Helston is good but it goes up too steeply after that. I also think parking in the summer is better value in Porthleven than Poldhu if you want the sea, not that I go Poldhu very often. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 2

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