Port's councillor hits back at 'recycled ' fisherman funding promise

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Cash promised to help Cornish fishermen hit by the recent storms is just 'recycled' and is "more like tokenism".

Councillor Andrew Wallis says that while the Government pot of money available to help fishermen who have lost gear in the recent storms looks good at "face value", this "isn’t actually new Government money".

Adding that it is just "recycled money from the European Fishing Fund", which fishermen could already apply for.

Mr Wallis said: "By using this money for those affected by the storm, you are taking money away from other parts of the fishing industry. As the £11m EFF is used for non-mandatory safety equipment, engine replacement, fish handling and chilling equipment to name but a few.

"It is also a grant scheme, so you would have to put in an application and go through the grant process. Which is never a quick process and you have to wait till your grant is approved before you can actually buy/replace any lost equipment.

"Furthermore, the amount that can be applied for – up to £5000 – is a very small amount if you actually look at the cost of replacing the lost gear. £5000 is better than nothing, but it not far off tokenism. 

"Talking to local fishermen who have lost gear, I asked if could be provided with details on the cost of gear he has lost; which one fisherman has kindly done so.

"For instance, the cost of a standard pot is around £50. The larger ones are £75 each. The back-lines for the pots are £47 per coil.

"This ‘new’ funding would not cover his initial loss of 83 pots – 60 small 23 large – as that comes to £5,430. Plus, at the time of talking, the fisherman is still missing 18 strings. Each string contains 25 pots. If those strings are not recoverable that’s a £22,500 loss and that’s without adding in the cost of back lines and just using the costing for a small pot.

"Even those pots which are recoverable, they will need to be repaired and re-lined. This is just on an eight metre boat operating 650 pots. How can a small operator fund the losses, especially with the crabbing season really starting at the end of this month.

Calling the fund "more like tokenism and not serious aid and support to an industry which has suffered due to the weather" he has called on the Government to offer storm hit fishermen "real financial support".

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1:45pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

I believe the Deputy Prime Ministers visit to Porthleven has not really achieved much then. I viewed it as a tea and sympathy visit at the time, I had my doubts if any real government financial help would materialise.
All talk and no real positive financial action by the government once again.
Next time government ministers are sitting down to a fish meal, perhaps they may like to reflect on how the fish got there.
I believe the Deputy Prime Ministers visit to Porthleven has not really achieved much then. I viewed it as a tea and sympathy visit at the time, I had my doubts if any real government financial help would materialise. All talk and no real positive financial action by the government once again. Next time government ministers are sitting down to a fish meal, perhaps they may like to reflect on how the fish got there. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 19

3:05pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Toffer99 says...

This government consists of Tories and Yellow Tories. At this stage, after 4 years experience, nobody believes a word they say.
This government consists of Tories and Yellow Tories. At this stage, after 4 years experience, nobody believes a word they say. Toffer99
  • Score: 9

6:04pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

The government are not agreeing to give up to £5,000 pounds to individuals, it is an existing European grant money scheme, the government are not offering immediate relief help for the fisherman to offset the adverse effects on their livelyhoods that they are suffering. In addition to which, fisherman have been unable to claim state benefits whilst unable to work because of weather conditions.

I personally think it is unfair to mention things about Councillor Andrew Wallis that are not relevant to the current issue.

I also think it is unkind to criticise the former RMT leader Bob Crow who has just died.
The government are not agreeing to give up to £5,000 pounds to individuals, it is an existing European grant money scheme, the government are not offering immediate relief help for the fisherman to offset the adverse effects on their livelyhoods that they are suffering. In addition to which, fisherman have been unable to claim state benefits whilst unable to work because of weather conditions. I personally think it is unfair to mention things about Councillor Andrew Wallis that are not relevant to the current issue. I also think it is unkind to criticise the former RMT leader Bob Crow who has just died. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 9

7:50pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

If RNASDutch is representative of the naval personell in Cornwall then i think it gives Culdrose a bad name.
The fishermen derserve a better deal from the government.
If RNASDutch is representative of the naval personell in Cornwall then i think it gives Culdrose a bad name. The fishermen derserve a better deal from the government. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 5

4:42am Thu 13 Mar 14

DCI Jen says...

I thought David Cameron said something about money is not a problem for the storm damage. What was the point in a government minister and MP Andrew George spending money on a visit to Porthleven if they aren't actually going to help financially, they could have saved money on the visit and used that money for the fishermen.

I have to admit, reading someone else's emails here, I think Cllr Wallis might benefit from a tact and diplomacy course before he sends out anymore emails to members of the public, I think they tend to come across as blunt and stroppy, just because someone questioned something he didn't like, and I don't mean that rudely, it just reads that way to me. I'm obviously not the only one that thinks that way because I recently read someone else's mention of Cllr Wallis's "tone".
I thought David Cameron said something about money is not a problem for the storm damage. What was the point in a government minister and MP Andrew George spending money on a visit to Porthleven if they aren't actually going to help financially, they could have saved money on the visit and used that money for the fishermen. I have to admit, reading someone else's emails here, I think Cllr Wallis might benefit from a tact and diplomacy course before he sends out anymore emails to members of the public, I think they tend to come across as blunt and stroppy, just because someone questioned something he didn't like, and I don't mean that rudely, it just reads that way to me. I'm obviously not the only one that thinks that way because I recently read someone else's mention of Cllr Wallis's "tone". DCI Jen
  • Score: 11

9:43am Thu 13 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

DCI Jen wrote:
I thought David Cameron said something about money is not a problem for the storm damage. What was the point in a government minister and MP Andrew George spending money on a visit to Porthleven if they aren't actually going to help financially, they could have saved money on the visit and used that money for the fishermen.

I have to admit, reading someone else's emails here, I think Cllr Wallis might benefit from a tact and diplomacy course before he sends out anymore emails to members of the public, I think they tend to come across as blunt and stroppy, just because someone questioned something he didn't like, and I don't mean that rudely, it just reads that way to me. I'm obviously not the only one that thinks that way because I recently read someone else's mention of Cllr Wallis's "tone".
Perhaps Jen you should not be reading other people's emails, you may possibly interpret them differently from the named recipient!

It is not like the community has not tried to help itself, they have raised thousands of pounds with on-going fund raising events in aid of the Porthleven Fishermen's Association Emergency Fund, therefore I think the least the government should do is match the total, after all, the government keep saying "we are in this together".
[quote][p][bold]DCI Jen[/bold] wrote: I thought David Cameron said something about money is not a problem for the storm damage. What was the point in a government minister and MP Andrew George spending money on a visit to Porthleven if they aren't actually going to help financially, they could have saved money on the visit and used that money for the fishermen. I have to admit, reading someone else's emails here, I think Cllr Wallis might benefit from a tact and diplomacy course before he sends out anymore emails to members of the public, I think they tend to come across as blunt and stroppy, just because someone questioned something he didn't like, and I don't mean that rudely, it just reads that way to me. I'm obviously not the only one that thinks that way because I recently read someone else's mention of Cllr Wallis's "tone".[/p][/quote]Perhaps Jen you should not be reading other people's emails, you may possibly interpret them differently from the named recipient! It is not like the community has not tried to help itself, they have raised thousands of pounds with on-going fund raising events in aid of the Porthleven Fishermen's Association Emergency Fund, therefore I think the least the government should do is match the total, after all, the government keep saying "we are in this together". Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 27

3:13pm Thu 13 Mar 14

DCI Jen says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
DCI Jen wrote:
I thought David Cameron said something about money is not a problem for the storm damage. What was the point in a government minister and MP Andrew George spending money on a visit to Porthleven if they aren't actually going to help financially, they could have saved money on the visit and used that money for the fishermen.

I have to admit, reading someone else's emails here, I think Cllr Wallis might benefit from a tact and diplomacy course before he sends out anymore emails to members of the public, I think they tend to come across as blunt and stroppy, just because someone questioned something he didn't like, and I don't mean that rudely, it just reads that way to me. I'm obviously not the only one that thinks that way because I recently read someone else's mention of Cllr Wallis's "tone".
Perhaps Jen you should not be reading other people's emails, you may possibly interpret them differently from the named recipient!

It is not like the community has not tried to help itself, they have raised thousands of pounds with on-going fund raising events in aid of the Porthleven Fishermen's Association Emergency Fund, therefore I think the least the government should do is match the total, after all, the government keep saying "we are in this together".
Very true, but it was too tempting not to read them whilst busy borrowing someone else's data credit on their phone. Can't do it anymore I'm off home now.
I agree with you the government should at least match the Fishermen's emergency fund. What is MP Andrew George doing? He seems to me quite good at claiming expenses for himself? Wasn't it him that once told the Cadgwith fishermen he would vote something in parliament and then never did? Does he care about fishermen?
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCI Jen[/bold] wrote: I thought David Cameron said something about money is not a problem for the storm damage. What was the point in a government minister and MP Andrew George spending money on a visit to Porthleven if they aren't actually going to help financially, they could have saved money on the visit and used that money for the fishermen. I have to admit, reading someone else's emails here, I think Cllr Wallis might benefit from a tact and diplomacy course before he sends out anymore emails to members of the public, I think they tend to come across as blunt and stroppy, just because someone questioned something he didn't like, and I don't mean that rudely, it just reads that way to me. I'm obviously not the only one that thinks that way because I recently read someone else's mention of Cllr Wallis's "tone".[/p][/quote]Perhaps Jen you should not be reading other people's emails, you may possibly interpret them differently from the named recipient! It is not like the community has not tried to help itself, they have raised thousands of pounds with on-going fund raising events in aid of the Porthleven Fishermen's Association Emergency Fund, therefore I think the least the government should do is match the total, after all, the government keep saying "we are in this together".[/p][/quote]Very true, but it was too tempting not to read them whilst busy borrowing someone else's data credit on their phone. Can't do it anymore I'm off home now. I agree with you the government should at least match the Fishermen's emergency fund. What is MP Andrew George doing? He seems to me quite good at claiming expenses for himself? Wasn't it him that once told the Cadgwith fishermen he would vote something in parliament and then never did? Does he care about fishermen? DCI Jen
  • Score: 18

8:54pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

A serious issue that has been raised about funding/financial help for the fishermen which is very important at this time and I really hope they get financial help big time.

RNASDutch appears again, last time I think it was just to criticise Cllr John Boase to extreme.
Running a fish and chip shop is a proper job, Roland in Porthleven runs one, what difference is it to a job in any shop, what a demeaning attitude I think, to all shop workers and cafe workers, who does RNASDutch think cooks half the fish that are caught. If someone has a gripe about something with a Cllr I think they should email the Cllr under their real name or at least post their vitriol on here under their real name not a user name, particularly one that I think brings the navy into disrepute.
I think it is a sad sign of the times that those who are prepared to raise issues openly with Cllrs seem to get no respect and take a lot of flak.
I think it is wrong to allow anonymous extreme comments on here like the one from RNASDutch and I think it is quite worrying the amount of people that evidently by the scoring think that is the right way to behave.
A serious issue that has been raised about funding/financial help for the fishermen which is very important at this time and I really hope they get financial help big time. RNASDutch appears again, last time I think it was just to criticise Cllr John Boase to extreme. Running a fish and chip shop is a proper job, Roland in Porthleven runs one, what difference is it to a job in any shop, what a demeaning attitude I think, to all shop workers and cafe workers, who does RNASDutch think cooks half the fish that are caught. If someone has a gripe about something with a Cllr I think they should email the Cllr under their real name or at least post their vitriol on here under their real name not a user name, particularly one that I think brings the navy into disrepute. I think it is a sad sign of the times that those who are prepared to raise issues openly with Cllrs seem to get no respect and take a lot of flak. I think it is wrong to allow anonymous extreme comments on here like the one from RNASDutch and I think it is quite worrying the amount of people that evidently by the scoring think that is the right way to behave. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 17

9:49am Fri 14 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
If RNASDutch is representative of the naval personell in Cornwall then i think it gives Culdrose a bad name.
The fishermen derserve a better deal from the government.
I do not think the person posting under the user name RNASDutch is representative of Culdrose Navy personnel. Culdrose is respected in Helston.
If the comment placed by RNASDutch was not so rude, I actually think it would be funny, Councillor Andrew Wallis is ex Navy himself, so for RNASDutch to say he has never had a proper job is rather amusing in my view. I think the comment placed by RNASDutch is disrespectful, and I believe Councillor Andrew Wallis is an excellent councillor, and I am far from alone in thinking so, judging by the high percentage of local residents that voted him in repetitively.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: If RNASDutch is representative of the naval personell in Cornwall then i think it gives Culdrose a bad name. The fishermen derserve a better deal from the government.[/p][/quote]I do not think the person posting under the user name RNASDutch is representative of Culdrose Navy personnel. Culdrose is respected in Helston. If the comment placed by RNASDutch was not so rude, I actually think it would be funny, Councillor Andrew Wallis is ex Navy himself, so for RNASDutch to say he has never had a proper job is rather amusing in my view. I think the comment placed by RNASDutch is disrespectful, and I believe Councillor Andrew Wallis is an excellent councillor, and I am far from alone in thinking so, judging by the high percentage of local residents that voted him in repetitively. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 14

10:32am Fri 14 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Nice one Gill, lol.
Nice one Gill, lol. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 16

3:04pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Thank you for clarifying my confusion Helston Fly On The Wall, I had not actually read your post where you referred to a Helston Councillor.
Thank you for clarifying my confusion Helston Fly On The Wall, I had not actually read your post where you referred to a Helston Councillor. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 11

5:58pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
Thank you for clarifying my confusion Helston Fly On The Wall, I had not actually read your post where you referred to a Helston Councillor.
I was well confused by your post lol until i realised it is because the post by porthlevenman had been removed and the post by RNASDutch had been removed and the post by Helston fly on the wall had quoted porthlevenmans comment so that had been removed or else it would have left his comment on display.
I hope after all this your fishermen in Cornwall in Porthleven get the support they deserve, the fundraising things sound good.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: Thank you for clarifying my confusion Helston Fly On The Wall, I had not actually read your post where you referred to a Helston Councillor.[/p][/quote]I was well confused by your post lol until i realised it is because the post by porthlevenman had been removed and the post by RNASDutch had been removed and the post by Helston fly on the wall had quoted porthlevenmans comment so that had been removed or else it would have left his comment on display. I hope after all this your fishermen in Cornwall in Porthleven get the support they deserve, the fundraising things sound good. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 13

9:29pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
Thank you for clarifying my confusion Helston Fly On The Wall, I had not actually read your post where you referred to a Helston Councillor.
No problems, I can see why you were confused with 'porthlevenmans' comment lol.
Glad to see 'Porthlevenman' and 'RNASDutch's' comments were removed. I think if they had the courage of their beliefs they should email Cllr Wallis and say what they said on here under their own names.

I would like to know what the total of the fundraising is now, think its great people care so much about the fishermen, I agree with Toffer99's comment.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: Thank you for clarifying my confusion Helston Fly On The Wall, I had not actually read your post where you referred to a Helston Councillor.[/p][/quote]No problems, I can see why you were confused with 'porthlevenmans' comment lol. Glad to see 'Porthlevenman' and 'RNASDutch's' comments were removed. I think if they had the courage of their beliefs they should email Cllr Wallis and say what they said on here under their own names. I would like to know what the total of the fundraising is now, think its great people care so much about the fishermen, I agree with Toffer99's comment. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 14

9:10pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

So have the fishermen had any help from the government down there then?

Is that true about the emails DCI Jen read then? Were they blunt or rude?

I bet the government would help your fishermen more if it was closer to the election time.
So have the fishermen had any help from the government down there then? Is that true about the emails DCI Jen read then? Were they blunt or rude? I bet the government would help your fishermen more if it was closer to the election time. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 3

10:15am Wed 19 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
So have the fishermen had any help from the government down there then?

Is that true about the emails DCI Jen read then? Were they blunt or rude?

I bet the government would help your fishermen more if it was closer to the election time.
I do not think the government would help if it was nearer to election time, I think the government make empty promises.

No, the emails Jen read were not rude.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: So have the fishermen had any help from the government down there then? Is that true about the emails DCI Jen read then? Were they blunt or rude? I bet the government would help your fishermen more if it was closer to the election time.[/p][/quote]I do not think the government would help if it was nearer to election time, I think the government make empty promises. No, the emails Jen read were not rude. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 0

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