Helston council ponders £250,000 town cash questionaire results

Helston council ponders £250,000 town cash questionnaire results

Helston council ponders £250,000 town cash questionnaire results

First published in News

The results of a town-wide questionnaire on how to spend £250,000 in Helston have been released, with the row over pedestrianisation taking centre stage at a recent meeting, despite not being a definite proposal.

Martin Searle, the Helston Town Council regeneration officer presented the results of the questionnaire, which saw around a six per cent return from residents, with 323 sent back of the 5,500 that were delivered to homes in the town.

Business owners were also sent questionnaires, with 33 returned out of 228.

The questions focused on a number of areas, from town lighting and seating to safety and the controversial possibility of pedestrianising Meneage Street.

Mr Searle said it threw up the view that Helston town centre was not “welcoming” to visitors and the people of the town. With most people visiting for “convenience shopping” for less than one hour three times a week.  The lack of major brands and a lack of “variety” were top on the list of reasons why people do not visit more.

The high cost of parking was also highlighted, with 142 people saying it put them off visiting. One member of the public said that it felt like “overzealous” parking attendants were “stalking” the town, driving people away. Most people responding said that they preferred free on street parking.

Many members of the public said that free parking was key to regenerating the town, with trade being lost to the out of town supermarkets as they could offer this.

However Mr Searle said that while they could use the section 106 money to provide free parking, Cornwall Council would demand that they are reimbursed, and that this would use up all the cash, and not solve any long term problems.

The topic of Meneage Street pedestrianisation proved the most controversial issue with Mr Searle saying he was “daring to use the P word”.

Broadly speaking the questionnaire showed that members of the public were split on pedestrianisation, with it being the third highest response in the section that asked what would make people visit the town more (after better shops and parking). However many traders were firmly opposed. Brian Shore from the Horse and Jockey said that 2,000 people had signed a petition against the pedestrianisation of Meneage Street, and warned that businesses would close.

Martin Searle responded that the council needed to take account of this petition and that there was no proposal to pedestrianise parts of the town, adding that the survey was just to “find out what people want”.

Wesley Bowden, of Bowden Hardware, suggested a three month trial of pedestrianisation, saying: “One of two things will happen. Either it will be a success or it will be a failure.”

The survey results showed many people wanted a more pedestrian friendly environment, with Mr Searle saying he felt it would be possible to enhance the street while retaining the convenience.

Among the suggestions were wider pavements, which could see the loss of a couple of parking spaces, and creating the infrastructure for market stalls, however adding that this was a “continuing debate”.

Coinagehall Street was called the best of the town’s streets, with it described as the “nearest thing to a town square”. However people responding to the questionnaire said that the quality of the street had been diminished in recent years, with granite replaced by concrete and the addition of large bus bays.

Herringbone style parking on the street was one of the ideas suggested.

Respondents showed strong support for more “civic space”, with one person even suggesting the demolition of the Guildhall to create a town square – an idea that is unlikely to see the light of day. However Mr Searle added that while the area around the Guildhall was small more could be done with it, and the Guildhall itself.

The results

Welcome and signage results: Over 50 per cent wanted improved landscaping and signage at gateways to the town, with 55 wanting a dedicated visitor information centre, with the Guildhall or Meneage Street the preferred locations. Fifty-five per cent wanted better information posted in the town’s car parks.

Your town centre section: The top three reasons for not visiting the town centre were a lack of major brand shops, parking and the general appearance of the town. Shoppers spent on average less than one hour in Helston town centre, visiting two or three times a week, mainly in the morning. Convenience shopping was the largest driver of trade, with financial services and health services also featuring highly.

The three top changes that could be made to attract people into the town were better shops, changes to parking and the pedestrianisaton of parts of the town.

Transport section results.

Most people prefer to park for free on the street, with Trengrouse Way the most popular car park. The majority of respondents said that parking costs were too high. However despite this, only three per cent use public transport, with 51 per cent of respondents walking. The majority of people who responded said that walking routes needed improving. The surface of the walkways and lighting were considered the most important. Cycling is not popular in the town, with 83 per cent of people saying that there should be no cycle lanes or routes. The priorities for reducing through traffic were to cut traffic, in order of priority, on Meneage Street, Coinagehall Street, Church Street and Wendron Street. Seventy-four per cent of people wanted a cut in the speed limit to 20mph. The majority did not want to widen the pavements on Meneage Street but only by a small margin.

Keeping “unrestricted access” for vehicles on Meneage Street saw 55 per cent for and 45 per cent against. The creation of loading bays on the road was not as popular with 63 per cent against. The creation of a pedestrian friendly Meneage Street “at specific times” was more popular than not, with on specific days the most popular choice.

The top three transport ideas for improving the town centre, in order of popularity were, cheaper or free parking, to pedestrianise Meneage Street and to abolish parking charges altogether.

Streetscape section results.

The top suggestion for creating civic space for events and markets was at the Guildhall or Museum or at the Bowling Green, with 65 per cent of people wanting a dedicated space. The priority areas for improved floral displays was Meneage Street and Coinagehall Street, followed by Wendron Street. The most popular place for play facilities was at the Sunken Garden, however the majority of people do not want play areas in the town centre. The top suggestions to improve the “street scene in the town” were to clean and tidy the town, buildings and shops and to increase the amount of floral displays.

Heritage and Culture section.

The heritage and culture of the town should be used a unique selling point for the town, with an idea to place information celebrating the history of Helston in a public place popular. The vast majority of people who responded want better links with Coronation Park and the Boating Lake.

The top ideas for making the most of Helston’s heritage and culture were to invest and promote the boating lake and promote the museum. Just six people thought using Flora Day as a unique selling point was a good idea.

Community Safety section.

While 97 per cent of people feel safe in Helston during daylight hours, this falls to 64 per cent in the evenings and at night, with a lack of lighting and drunken behaviour highlighted as reasons.

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1:37pm Fri 28 Mar 14

meerkats says...

Very disappointing both from Businesses and the Public with the number of forms actually retiurned.
Very disappointing both from Businesses and the Public with the number of forms actually retiurned. meerkats
  • Score: -5

8:29pm Fri 28 Mar 14

telstar1962 says...

I agree Meerkats

Only 14% of businesses bothered to respond.
And only 6% of the population.

Apathy on a grand scale, and such a shame.

Over 5 times the number who completed the questionnaire, signed against pedestrianisation

So the survey 'to find out what the people want' reveals that 5372 forms, that's 94%, were not returned.

It's safe to say then, that most Helstonians cannot be bothered how the £250,000 is spent.
I agree Meerkats Only 14% of businesses bothered to respond. And only 6% of the population. Apathy on a grand scale, and such a shame. Over 5 times the number who completed the questionnaire, signed against pedestrianisation So the survey 'to find out what the people want' reveals that 5372 forms, that's 94%, were not returned. It's safe to say then, that most Helstonians cannot be bothered how the £250,000 is spent. telstar1962
  • Score: -4

9:03pm Fri 28 Mar 14

meerkats says...

telstar1962 wrote:
I agree Meerkats

Only 14% of businesses bothered to respond.
And only 6% of the population.

Apathy on a grand scale, and such a shame.

Over 5 times the number who completed the questionnaire, signed against pedestrianisation

So the survey 'to find out what the people want' reveals that 5372 forms, that's 94%, were not returned.

It's safe to say then, that most Helstonians cannot be bothered how the £250,000 is spent.
Yes ,and they will probably be the first to complain if its somethimg they do not like.!!
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: I agree Meerkats Only 14% of businesses bothered to respond. And only 6% of the population. Apathy on a grand scale, and such a shame. Over 5 times the number who completed the questionnaire, signed against pedestrianisation So the survey 'to find out what the people want' reveals that 5372 forms, that's 94%, were not returned. It's safe to say then, that most Helstonians cannot be bothered how the £250,000 is spent.[/p][/quote]Yes ,and they will probably be the first to complain if its somethimg they do not like.!! meerkats
  • Score: -15

7:53am Sat 29 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

I found the results of the survey very interesting, and combining them with the information gathered from those that attended the consultation meetings, together with the information to be gained from the planned consultation with young people, hopefully it will give the regeneration officer Martin Searle a fairly good over-view of public opinion with which to take the project forward.
I found the results of the survey very interesting, and combining them with the information gathered from those that attended the consultation meetings, together with the information to be gained from the planned consultation with young people, hopefully it will give the regeneration officer Martin Searle a fairly good over-view of public opinion with which to take the project forward. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 3

9:19am Sat 29 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

I don't believe it is apathy in the town. I would not of returned my questionnaire if l had received one which I did not. The reason being I have always believed the town council employing all these people with various job titles is a waste of money.
It is clear the traders and public do not want pedestrianisation. Free parking which can only be achieved realistically by the one street method is a must and should be implemented with some urgency.
I don't believe it is apathy in the town. I would not of returned my questionnaire if l had received one which I did not. The reason being I have always believed the town council employing all these people with various job titles is a waste of money. It is clear the traders and public do not want pedestrianisation. Free parking which can only be achieved realistically by the one street method is a must and should be implemented with some urgency. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -12

10:03am Sat 29 Mar 14

telstar1962 says...

In the time-honoured tradition of true British style democracy, 6% of returned forms will of course assist the process.

And if that's not apathy, then hundreds of surveys may 'still be in the post'

If Mr Searle has been reading www.helstonpacket.co
.uk comments for some time, together with listening to residents he has met in his short time in his job, then together with the results of the survey, will tell him the same things, and further consultation will now take place, so expect action in about another 18 months lol

And how can you not agree that it is disappointing, the number of forms returned. No, of course, give that a thumbs up for 6% ( another lol )

What was the cost of delivering the survey to every household and business ?
In the time-honoured tradition of true British style democracy, 6% of returned forms will of course assist the process. And if that's not apathy, then hundreds of surveys may 'still be in the post' If Mr Searle has been reading www.helstonpacket.co .uk comments for some time, together with listening to residents he has met in his short time in his job, then together with the results of the survey, will tell him the same things, and further consultation will now take place, so expect action in about another 18 months lol And how can you not agree that it is disappointing, the number of forms returned. No, of course, give that a thumbs up for 6% ( another lol ) What was the cost of delivering the survey to every household and business ? telstar1962
  • Score: -9

10:05am Sat 29 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
I don't believe it is apathy in the town. I would not of returned my questionnaire if l had received one which I did not. The reason being I have always believed the town council employing all these people with various job titles is a waste of money.
It is clear the traders and public do not want pedestrianisation. Free parking which can only be achieved realistically by the one street method is a must and should be implemented with some urgency.
Ron, am I missing something? sorry I do not understand. You said you would not have returned your questionnaire had you received one, because you believe money was wasted on paid staff/officers, where is the connection between what you consider a waste of money and completing a questionnaire which relates to the spending of the ear-marked public realm money?
Officers were employed to deal with the public realm money because not every town council has this money to spend, and the Councillors as volunteers cannot be expected to have the time or knowledge to deal with a project like this that involves professional guidance.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it is apathy in the town. I would not of returned my questionnaire if l had received one which I did not. The reason being I have always believed the town council employing all these people with various job titles is a waste of money. It is clear the traders and public do not want pedestrianisation. Free parking which can only be achieved realistically by the one street method is a must and should be implemented with some urgency.[/p][/quote]Ron, am I missing something? sorry I do not understand. You said you would not have returned your questionnaire had you received one, because you believe money was wasted on paid staff/officers, where is the connection between what you consider a waste of money and completing a questionnaire which relates to the spending of the ear-marked public realm money? Officers were employed to deal with the public realm money because not every town council has this money to spend, and the Councillors as volunteers cannot be expected to have the time or knowledge to deal with a project like this that involves professional guidance. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 6

11:29am Sat 29 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

The problems with the town centre are blatantly obvious Gill. These forms and the employment of all these town centre managers ext are a complete waste of money.
Most of the problems we cannot resolve such as the lack of chain stores and the size of available units. What we can do is maximise footfall by increasing free and convenient parking and stopping all this talk about closing off traffic to half of the town centre which will destroy any chance of investment into the town centre.
The problems with the town centre are blatantly obvious Gill. These forms and the employment of all these town centre managers ext are a complete waste of money. Most of the problems we cannot resolve such as the lack of chain stores and the size of available units. What we can do is maximise footfall by increasing free and convenient parking and stopping all this talk about closing off traffic to half of the town centre which will destroy any chance of investment into the town centre. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -10

12:29pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
The problems with the town centre are blatantly obvious Gill. These forms and the employment of all these town centre managers ext are a complete waste of money.
Most of the problems we cannot resolve such as the lack of chain stores and the size of available units. What we can do is maximise footfall by increasing free and convenient parking and stopping all this talk about closing off traffic to half of the town centre which will destroy any chance of investment into the town centre.
Thanks for your reply Ron, I appreciate there are issues to be addressed to help increase footfall, however, this is exactly what the town council are trying to do. Parking is not the only considered priority issue raised by those who responded to the questionnaire or attended the meetings, not everyone arrives by car, the point of both questionnaire and consultations was to ascertain all points considered important to a wide spectrum of people. Improvement to walking routes was also identified as a high priority by many. Had the council not consulted with the public then they no doubt would have attracted criticism.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: The problems with the town centre are blatantly obvious Gill. These forms and the employment of all these town centre managers ext are a complete waste of money. Most of the problems we cannot resolve such as the lack of chain stores and the size of available units. What we can do is maximise footfall by increasing free and convenient parking and stopping all this talk about closing off traffic to half of the town centre which will destroy any chance of investment into the town centre.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your reply Ron, I appreciate there are issues to be addressed to help increase footfall, however, this is exactly what the town council are trying to do. Parking is not the only considered priority issue raised by those who responded to the questionnaire or attended the meetings, not everyone arrives by car, the point of both questionnaire and consultations was to ascertain all points considered important to a wide spectrum of people. Improvement to walking routes was also identified as a high priority by many. Had the council not consulted with the public then they no doubt would have attracted criticism. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 6

2:24pm Sat 29 Mar 14

telstar1962 says...

Yes, the fact is 356 surveys were returned, so the Council has not only consulted ( or received the views of the interested minority ) but surely they should be perturbed about the undoubted apathy.

My question is, how many more meetings will be conducted before decisions are made ?
Yes, the fact is 356 surveys were returned, so the Council has not only consulted ( or received the views of the interested minority ) but surely they should be perturbed about the undoubted apathy. My question is, how many more meetings will be conducted before decisions are made ? telstar1962
  • Score: -5

4:28pm Sat 29 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

I do not believe the town is at all apathetic. Simply the town council seem to pass responsibilities to there employees to create groups for endless discussion which is sometimes damaging.
Did not one committee take two years pondering on whether or not to buy a van.
I do not believe the town is at all apathetic. Simply the town council seem to pass responsibilities to there employees to create groups for endless discussion which is sometimes damaging. Did not one committee take two years pondering on whether or not to buy a van. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -5

4:37pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
I do not believe the town is at all apathetic. Simply the town council seem to pass responsibilities to there employees to create groups for endless discussion which is sometimes damaging.
Did not one committee take two years pondering on whether or not to buy a van.
In fairness Ron you cannot attribute the delayed van decision to the present council, the original proposal and discussion was well before the last elections, 2009 as far as I believe.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I do not believe the town is at all apathetic. Simply the town council seem to pass responsibilities to there employees to create groups for endless discussion which is sometimes damaging. Did not one committee take two years pondering on whether or not to buy a van.[/p][/quote]In fairness Ron you cannot attribute the delayed van decision to the present council, the original proposal and discussion was well before the last elections, 2009 as far as I believe. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 0

5:18pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

telstar says far more people signed the petition against pedestrianisation than returned a survey. Well considering half those who signed didnt even live in the town, and the survey was only sent to town residents, it doesnt surprise me. Does telstar actually live in the town i wonder because if not how can he generalise about apathy, perhaps some people are incapable of filling a survey in and perhaps half of them wernt even delivered.
telstar says far more people signed the petition against pedestrianisation than returned a survey. Well considering half those who signed didnt even live in the town, and the survey was only sent to town residents, it doesnt surprise me. Does telstar actually live in the town i wonder because if not how can he generalise about apathy, perhaps some people are incapable of filling a survey in and perhaps half of them wernt even delivered. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 3

9:24pm Sat 29 Mar 14

telstar1962 says...

Does it matter whether one lives in Glasgow or Coverack, the right to comment on here is open to everyone, and the fact is that nothing new has been revealed in any answers to the survey questions.

My understanding of apathy is when there is a lack of interest, lack of enthusiasm and unresponsiveness. I fail to see how I am generalising about this, my comments are a direct and specific appraisal of the facts.
Does it matter whether one lives in Glasgow or Coverack, the right to comment on here is open to everyone, and the fact is that nothing new has been revealed in any answers to the survey questions. My understanding of apathy is when there is a lack of interest, lack of enthusiasm and unresponsiveness. I fail to see how I am generalising about this, my comments are a direct and specific appraisal of the facts. telstar1962
  • Score: -3

10:05pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Of course new things have been discovered by the survey, what is most important to people and to how many people a specific issue is important, these issues can then be narrowed down and prioritised according to available money. Some of you make me laugh, you carry on as if its your personal money. Perhaps the TC would do better to buy some books on positivity and dish them out to some of the commenters on here. If the council hadn't thrown this open to public opinion then how many would have complained they weren't consulted. It you don't live in town telstar you wouldn't have got a survey but there was nothing stopping you going to one of the consultation meetings was there? I filled in a survey and lots of different issues were included that many people hadn't mentioned before.
Of course new things have been discovered by the survey, what is most important to people and to how many people a specific issue is important, these issues can then be narrowed down and prioritised according to available money. Some of you make me laugh, you carry on as if its your personal money. Perhaps the TC would do better to buy some books on positivity and dish them out to some of the commenters on here. If the council hadn't thrown this open to public opinion then how many would have complained they weren't consulted. It you don't live in town telstar you wouldn't have got a survey but there was nothing stopping you going to one of the consultation meetings was there? I filled in a survey and lots of different issues were included that many people hadn't mentioned before. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 6

10:07am Sun 30 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

So now is not a good time then to mention that Mr Searle has suggested I believe, to commission design professionals to provide visual material to plans, for the community to see!
I think this would be an unnecessary expense if he intends payment for the professionals, surely help in this department could be sought freely or cheaper from some young people at Helston Community college or member of the general public?
I have always believed that a logo could have been designed and produced at a fraction of the cost by putting it out to the public.
So now is not a good time then to mention that Mr Searle has suggested I believe, to commission design professionals to provide visual material to plans, for the community to see! I think this would be an unnecessary expense if he intends payment for the professionals, surely help in this department could be sought freely or cheaper from some young people at Helston Community college or member of the general public? I have always believed that a logo could have been designed and produced at a fraction of the cost by putting it out to the public. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 5

11:35am Sun 30 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Does it matter whether one lives in Glasgow or Coverack, the right to comment on here is open to everyone, and the fact is that nothing new has been revealed in any answers to the survey questions.

My understanding of apathy is when there is a lack of interest, lack of enthusiasm and unresponsiveness. I fail to see how I am generalising about this, my comments are a direct and specific appraisal of the facts.
I live in Inverness and you completely missed my point. No it doesnt matter where you live to have an opinion or comment, but just because a figure is quoted for return surveys doesnt make most of Helston residents apathetic, if you lived in the town you would be closer to what the problems are, do you know for sure if all those surveys were actually delivered? How do you know some people dont really mind what the money is spent on so are not apathetic. Not everyone has to choose what they would like to see in the town, doesnt make them apathetic. Some people might not have time to fill them in. Did you have time to go to a meeting? Because i remember you saying you couldnt make it and meerkats couldnt go.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Does it matter whether one lives in Glasgow or Coverack, the right to comment on here is open to everyone, and the fact is that nothing new has been revealed in any answers to the survey questions. My understanding of apathy is when there is a lack of interest, lack of enthusiasm and unresponsiveness. I fail to see how I am generalising about this, my comments are a direct and specific appraisal of the facts.[/p][/quote]I live in Inverness and you completely missed my point. No it doesnt matter where you live to have an opinion or comment, but just because a figure is quoted for return surveys doesnt make most of Helston residents apathetic, if you lived in the town you would be closer to what the problems are, do you know for sure if all those surveys were actually delivered? How do you know some people dont really mind what the money is spent on so are not apathetic. Not everyone has to choose what they would like to see in the town, doesnt make them apathetic. Some people might not have time to fill them in. Did you have time to go to a meeting? Because i remember you saying you couldnt make it and meerkats couldnt go. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 6

11:41am Sun 30 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
So now is not a good time then to mention that Mr Searle has suggested I believe, to commission design professionals to provide visual material to plans, for the community to see!
I think this would be an unnecessary expense if he intends payment for the professionals, surely help in this department could be sought freely or cheaper from some young people at Helston Community college or member of the general public?
I have always believed that a logo could have been designed and produced at a fraction of the cost by putting it out to the public.
I agreed with you completely.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: So now is not a good time then to mention that Mr Searle has suggested I believe, to commission design professionals to provide visual material to plans, for the community to see! I think this would be an unnecessary expense if he intends payment for the professionals, surely help in this department could be sought freely or cheaper from some young people at Helston Community college or member of the general public? I have always believed that a logo could have been designed and produced at a fraction of the cost by putting it out to the public.[/p][/quote]I agreed with you completely. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 9

11:43am Sun 30 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Sounds like Mr Searle is having a laugh.
Sounds like Mr Searle is having a laugh. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 9

1:19pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
So now is not a good time then to mention that Mr Searle has suggested I believe, to commission design professionals to provide visual material to plans, for the community to see!
I think this would be an unnecessary expense if he intends payment for the professionals, surely help in this department could be sought freely or cheaper from some young people at Helston Community college or member of the general public?
I have always believed that a logo could have been designed and produced at a fraction of the cost by putting it out to the public.
I agreed with you completely.
One thing I cannot understand, having used £5,000 for a logo, the amenities committee have voted against incorporating it into the design for the new signs for Helston! I thought the town council and the HBIP were supposed to be working together!
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: So now is not a good time then to mention that Mr Searle has suggested I believe, to commission design professionals to provide visual material to plans, for the community to see! I think this would be an unnecessary expense if he intends payment for the professionals, surely help in this department could be sought freely or cheaper from some young people at Helston Community college or member of the general public? I have always believed that a logo could have been designed and produced at a fraction of the cost by putting it out to the public.[/p][/quote]I agreed with you completely.[/p][/quote]One thing I cannot understand, having used £5,000 for a logo, the amenities committee have voted against incorporating it into the design for the new signs for Helston! I thought the town council and the HBIP were supposed to be working together! Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 6

3:05pm Sun 30 Mar 14

telstar1962 says...

I am well aware of most of the problems confronting Helston, and I don't feel the need to live in or near the Town to be fully acquainted.
I glean the information from the many residents and business owners I know, opinions and some facts are continually published on sites like this, and in the minutes of the many Town Council meetings.....

Concerning why over 90% of residents did not respond to the survey is any ones guess, whether they were not all delivered, people did not have the time, are not capable of completing the forms, or are just content in the knowledge that the Town can rely on the elected representatives and everyone else involved to get it right. Apathy may be a word which may be upsetting, but if I was the new Town Centre Manager, I know that I would be extremely sad that so few had responded to such an important issue. Then, on the other hand, is how spending £250k for the benefit of the Town that big an issue.

Deep down we all know that major damage has already been inflicted on the small traders by the out of town supermarkets, and this is compounded by the speedy draining away of nearly £1m which was awarded to the Town as a matter of the sweetener.

By the way, I spend money in Helston Town 7 days a week, it's not a lot, but I will always use small independent shops. And I think that's pretty good for someone who doesn't live there .lol
I am well aware of most of the problems confronting Helston, and I don't feel the need to live in or near the Town to be fully acquainted. I glean the information from the many residents and business owners I know, opinions and some facts are continually published on sites like this, and in the minutes of the many Town Council meetings..... Concerning why over 90% of residents did not respond to the survey is any ones guess, whether they were not all delivered, people did not have the time, are not capable of completing the forms, or are just content in the knowledge that the Town can rely on the elected representatives and everyone else involved to get it right. Apathy may be a word which may be upsetting, but if I was the new Town Centre Manager, I know that I would be extremely sad that so few had responded to such an important issue. Then, on the other hand, is how spending £250k for the benefit of the Town that big an issue. Deep down we all know that major damage has already been inflicted on the small traders by the out of town supermarkets, and this is compounded by the speedy draining away of nearly £1m which was awarded to the Town as a matter of the sweetener. By the way, I spend money in Helston Town 7 days a week, it's not a lot, but I will always use small independent shops. And I think that's pretty good for someone who doesn't live there .lol telstar1962
  • Score: -3

4:28pm Sun 30 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
So now is not a good time then to mention that Mr Searle has suggested I believe, to commission design professionals to provide visual material to plans, for the community to see!
I think this would be an unnecessary expense if he intends payment for the professionals, surely help in this department could be sought freely or cheaper from some young people at Helston Community college or member of the general public?
I have always believed that a logo could have been designed and produced at a fraction of the cost by putting it out to the public.
I agreed with you completely.
One thing I cannot understand, having used £5,000 for a logo, the amenities committee have voted against incorporating it into the design for the new signs for Helston! I thought the town council and the HBIP were supposed to be working together!
Not surprised they won't put it on the signs its awful. Complete waste of money.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: So now is not a good time then to mention that Mr Searle has suggested I believe, to commission design professionals to provide visual material to plans, for the community to see! I think this would be an unnecessary expense if he intends payment for the professionals, surely help in this department could be sought freely or cheaper from some young people at Helston Community college or member of the general public? I have always believed that a logo could have been designed and produced at a fraction of the cost by putting it out to the public.[/p][/quote]I agreed with you completely.[/p][/quote]One thing I cannot understand, having used £5,000 for a logo, the amenities committee have voted against incorporating it into the design for the new signs for Helston! I thought the town council and the HBIP were supposed to be working together![/p][/quote]Not surprised they won't put it on the signs its awful. Complete waste of money. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 14

5:10pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Telstar says he spends money in the town 7 days a week, i thought the only places open on a Sunday were Spar and the pubs lol if you work in Helston telstar why dont you stand for Cllr seeing as you claim to know lots of business owners and are in town 7 days a week and seem to have the answers.
Telstar says he spends money in the town 7 days a week, i thought the only places open on a Sunday were Spar and the pubs lol if you work in Helston telstar why dont you stand for Cllr seeing as you claim to know lots of business owners and are in town 7 days a week and seem to have the answers. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 8

5:21pm Sun 30 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
Telstar says he spends money in the town 7 days a week, i thought the only places open on a Sunday were Spar and the pubs lol if you work in Helston telstar why dont you stand for Cllr seeing as you claim to know lots of business owners and are in town 7 days a week and seem to have the answers.
Don't forget the co-op.
I don't think the supermarkets are completely to blame for the town centres decline. I cannot imagine the state the town would be in without the convenience and employment the have delivered.
Other towns have simply adapted better.It is a shame the 106 money was not better used.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: Telstar says he spends money in the town 7 days a week, i thought the only places open on a Sunday were Spar and the pubs lol if you work in Helston telstar why dont you stand for Cllr seeing as you claim to know lots of business owners and are in town 7 days a week and seem to have the answers.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the co-op. I don't think the supermarkets are completely to blame for the town centres decline. I cannot imagine the state the town would be in without the convenience and employment the have delivered. Other towns have simply adapted better.It is a shame the 106 money was not better used. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 13

5:26pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

telstar1962 wrote:
I am well aware of most of the problems confronting Helston, and I don't feel the need to live in or near the Town to be fully acquainted.
I glean the information from the many residents and business owners I know, opinions and some facts are continually published on sites like this, and in the minutes of the many Town Council meetings.....

Concerning why over 90% of residents did not respond to the survey is any ones guess, whether they were not all delivered, people did not have the time, are not capable of completing the forms, or are just content in the knowledge that the Town can rely on the elected representatives and everyone else involved to get it right. Apathy may be a word which may be upsetting, but if I was the new Town Centre Manager, I know that I would be extremely sad that so few had responded to such an important issue. Then, on the other hand, is how spending £250k for the benefit of the Town that big an issue.

Deep down we all know that major damage has already been inflicted on the small traders by the out of town supermarkets, and this is compounded by the speedy draining away of nearly £1m which was awarded to the Town as a matter of the sweetener.

By the way, I spend money in Helston Town 7 days a week, it's not a lot, but I will always use small independent shops. And I think that's pretty good for someone who doesn't live there .lol
Youre generalising again, "we all know" I dont know nearly one million has been drained away, there was only 800 thousand and there is still money left dont you like what the other has been spent on then?
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: I am well aware of most of the problems confronting Helston, and I don't feel the need to live in or near the Town to be fully acquainted. I glean the information from the many residents and business owners I know, opinions and some facts are continually published on sites like this, and in the minutes of the many Town Council meetings..... Concerning why over 90% of residents did not respond to the survey is any ones guess, whether they were not all delivered, people did not have the time, are not capable of completing the forms, or are just content in the knowledge that the Town can rely on the elected representatives and everyone else involved to get it right. Apathy may be a word which may be upsetting, but if I was the new Town Centre Manager, I know that I would be extremely sad that so few had responded to such an important issue. Then, on the other hand, is how spending £250k for the benefit of the Town that big an issue. Deep down we all know that major damage has already been inflicted on the small traders by the out of town supermarkets, and this is compounded by the speedy draining away of nearly £1m which was awarded to the Town as a matter of the sweetener. By the way, I spend money in Helston Town 7 days a week, it's not a lot, but I will always use small independent shops. And I think that's pretty good for someone who doesn't live there .lol[/p][/quote]Youre generalising again, "we all know" I dont know nearly one million has been drained away, there was only 800 thousand and there is still money left dont you like what the other has been spent on then? Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 6

5:39pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Rainbow over Helston wrote:
Telstar says he spends money in the town 7 days a week, i thought the only places open on a Sunday were Spar and the pubs lol if you work in Helston telstar why dont you stand for Cllr seeing as you claim to know lots of business owners and are in town 7 days a week and seem to have the answers.
Don't forget the co-op.
I don't think the supermarkets are completely to blame for the town centres decline. I cannot imagine the state the town would be in without the convenience and employment the have delivered.
Other towns have simply adapted better.It is a shame the 106 money was not better used.
Perhaps telstar works in the co op and the library lol
I agree with you, the supermarkets provide employment. Helston needs to promote its other things like park and museum and Epworth Hall. If telstar says he knows lots of business owners and residents then why doesnt he try asking them why didnt returned the surveys! Seeing as he is so interested in apathy.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: Telstar says he spends money in the town 7 days a week, i thought the only places open on a Sunday were Spar and the pubs lol if you work in Helston telstar why dont you stand for Cllr seeing as you claim to know lots of business owners and are in town 7 days a week and seem to have the answers.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the co-op. I don't think the supermarkets are completely to blame for the town centres decline. I cannot imagine the state the town would be in without the convenience and employment the have delivered. Other towns have simply adapted better.It is a shame the 106 money was not better used.[/p][/quote]Perhaps telstar works in the co op and the library lol I agree with you, the supermarkets provide employment. Helston needs to promote its other things like park and museum and Epworth Hall. If telstar says he knows lots of business owners and residents then why doesnt he try asking them why didnt returned the surveys! Seeing as he is so interested in apathy. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 9

6:05pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
So now is not a good time then to mention that Mr Searle has suggested I believe, to commission design professionals to provide visual material to plans, for the community to see!
I think this would be an unnecessary expense if he intends payment for the professionals, surely help in this department could be sought freely or cheaper from some young people at Helston Community college or member of the general public?
I have always believed that a logo could have been designed and produced at a fraction of the cost by putting it out to the public.
I agreed with you completely.
One thing I cannot understand, having used £5,000 for a logo, the amenities committee have voted against incorporating it into the design for the new signs for Helston! I thought the town council and the HBIP were supposed to be working together!
Not surprised they won't put it on the signs its awful. Complete waste of money.
Putting anyone's personal opinion of the logo aside, I am referring to the principle, the town council gave the HBIP some money and the HBIP produced a logo for the town as one of their projects, it was claimed originally that the town council would work in conjunction with the HBIP, I therefore just find it strange that the amenities committee voted against incorporating the celebration star logo into the design of the new signs. I think it gives out mixed messages to the public, there appears to me to be a lack of continuity.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: So now is not a good time then to mention that Mr Searle has suggested I believe, to commission design professionals to provide visual material to plans, for the community to see! I think this would be an unnecessary expense if he intends payment for the professionals, surely help in this department could be sought freely or cheaper from some young people at Helston Community college or member of the general public? I have always believed that a logo could have been designed and produced at a fraction of the cost by putting it out to the public.[/p][/quote]I agreed with you completely.[/p][/quote]One thing I cannot understand, having used £5,000 for a logo, the amenities committee have voted against incorporating it into the design for the new signs for Helston! I thought the town council and the HBIP were supposed to be working together![/p][/quote]Not surprised they won't put it on the signs its awful. Complete waste of money.[/p][/quote]Putting anyone's personal opinion of the logo aside, I am referring to the principle, the town council gave the HBIP some money and the HBIP produced a logo for the town as one of their projects, it was claimed originally that the town council would work in conjunction with the HBIP, I therefore just find it strange that the amenities committee voted against incorporating the celebration star logo into the design of the new signs. I think it gives out mixed messages to the public, there appears to me to be a lack of continuity. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 6

6:53pm Sun 30 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

I don't think it is just my opinion the logo is rubbish as was the strap line that I have forgotten that was produced at the same time.
As I said waste of money. Forget it and move on.
I don't think it is just my opinion the logo is rubbish as was the strap line that I have forgotten that was produced at the same time. As I said waste of money. Forget it and move on. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 5

7:15pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
I don't think it is just my opinion the logo is rubbish as was the strap line that I have forgotten that was produced at the same time.
As I said waste of money. Forget it and move on.
Wasn't it "positive people perfect place" lol ? Nice bit of alliteration.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: I don't think it is just my opinion the logo is rubbish as was the strap line that I have forgotten that was produced at the same time. As I said waste of money. Forget it and move on.[/p][/quote]Wasn't it "positive people perfect place" lol ? Nice bit of alliteration. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 8

7:21pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

I think they should just share the money out between the Epworth Hall and the museum. Disability access for the Epworth Hall would be a worthy cause in my view.
I think they should just share the money out between the Epworth Hall and the museum. Disability access for the Epworth Hall would be a worthy cause in my view. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 8

7:55pm Sun 30 Mar 14

telstar1962 says...

I really don't mind my comments being marked by someone who may like to appear to have an English Language degree, but for those who are more observant, I find the following shops/outlets open on a Sunday: the Spar Shop, an occasional Pub, the JJ Newsagents, Texaco Petrol Station shop, Zoar Tyres, Coronation Lake Café, even the old Woolworths and the Betting Shops.

I do not just write on here, paying lip-service from afar, but I use these retail establishments.

I was exaggerating, but to me £800k is quite near to £1m, Ask all the residents of Helston, plus everyone on here who is taking the time to participate in the discussion, whether all of the money spent so far has been on all the right things.

I think Ron is right, when he says that a lot of this money has been wasted.

A couple of the local business owners I've spoken to said they were just too busy to fill in the survey
I really don't mind my comments being marked by someone who may like to appear to have an English Language degree, but for those who are more observant, I find the following shops/outlets open on a Sunday: the Spar Shop, an occasional Pub, the JJ Newsagents, Texaco Petrol Station shop, Zoar Tyres, Coronation Lake Café, even the old Woolworths and the Betting Shops. I do not just write on here, paying lip-service from afar, but I use these retail establishments. I was exaggerating, but to me £800k is quite near to £1m, Ask all the residents of Helston, plus everyone on here who is taking the time to participate in the discussion, whether all of the money spent so far has been on all the right things. I think Ron is right, when he says that a lot of this money has been wasted. A couple of the local business owners I've spoken to said they were just too busy to fill in the survey telstar1962
  • Score: -6

8:03pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Lol thats really funny Gill,positive people, and half the businesses didnt bother to return the survey!!!! Wasnt it supposed to be promoted as the friendliest town as well?
Whats peoples opinions of the TC? Be interested to see what the money is spent on in the end.
Lol thats really funny Gill,positive people, and half the businesses didnt bother to return the survey!!!! Wasnt it supposed to be promoted as the friendliest town as well? Whats peoples opinions of the TC? Be interested to see what the money is spent on in the end. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 8

8:04pm Sun 30 Mar 14

telstar1962 says...

telstar1962 wrote:
I really don't mind my comments being marked by someone who may like to appear to have an English Language degree, but for those who are more observant, I find the following shops/outlets open on a Sunday: the Spar Shop, an occasional Pub, the JJ Newsagents, Texaco Petrol Station shop, Zoar Tyres, Coronation Lake Café, even the old Woolworths and the Betting Shops.

I do not just write on here, paying lip-service from afar, but I use these retail establishments.

I was exaggerating, but to me £800k is quite near to £1m, Ask all the residents of Helston, plus everyone on here who is taking the time to participate in the discussion, whether all of the money spent so far has been on all the right things.

I think Ron is right, when he says that a lot of this money has been wasted.

A couple of the local business owners I've spoken to said they were just too busy to fill in the survey
And the Londis Shop, and Mother's

I think someone needs to be more observant when in Helston on a Sunday lol
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: I really don't mind my comments being marked by someone who may like to appear to have an English Language degree, but for those who are more observant, I find the following shops/outlets open on a Sunday: the Spar Shop, an occasional Pub, the JJ Newsagents, Texaco Petrol Station shop, Zoar Tyres, Coronation Lake Café, even the old Woolworths and the Betting Shops. I do not just write on here, paying lip-service from afar, but I use these retail establishments. I was exaggerating, but to me £800k is quite near to £1m, Ask all the residents of Helston, plus everyone on here who is taking the time to participate in the discussion, whether all of the money spent so far has been on all the right things. I think Ron is right, when he says that a lot of this money has been wasted. A couple of the local business owners I've spoken to said they were just too busy to fill in the survey[/p][/quote]And the Londis Shop, and Mother's I think someone needs to be more observant when in Helston on a Sunday lol telstar1962
  • Score: -9

8:10pm Sun 30 Mar 14

telstar1962 says...

Ok, the maths says that 14.47% of businesses returned their surveys

RoH, obviously, not a Mathematics Graduate either lol
Ok, the maths says that 14.47% of businesses returned their surveys RoH, obviously, not a Mathematics Graduate either lol telstar1962
  • Score: -8

8:15pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

So who is your sarcastic comment directed at telstar? I dont see anyone trying to think they have an English language degree. Why dont you man up and name who you mean. You always did gripe about the scoring on here. If you want to pick fault insomeone then have the guts to name the person.You have no idea who thumbs your comments down.
So who is your sarcastic comment directed at telstar? I dont see anyone trying to think they have an English language degree. Why dont you man up and name who you mean. You always did gripe about the scoring on here. If you want to pick fault insomeone then have the guts to name the person.You have no idea who thumbs your comments down. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 7

8:33pm Sun 30 Mar 14

telstar1962 says...

RoH states there's nothing open in Helston on Sundays apart from Spar and Pubs.

I've just listed above the 9 retail outlets which I am aware are open, plus the Pubs

By stating that my comments are too generalised, and criticizing the use of my English like my old Engish Tutor did, then that person could be you,RoH

But honestly, dear, no offence meant lol

It's a good news item, so RoH, how would you spend the £250k ?
RoH states there's nothing open in Helston on Sundays apart from Spar and Pubs. I've just listed above the 9 retail outlets which I am aware are open, plus the Pubs By stating that my comments are too generalised, and criticizing the use of my English like my old Engish Tutor did, then that person could be you,RoH But honestly, dear, no offence meant lol It's a good news item, so RoH, how would you spend the £250k ? telstar1962
  • Score: -10

9:04pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

I didnt criticise the use of your English anywhere, i actually think your comment was directed at Gill as it was placed under her comment with.no name mentioned and in the past it was always her you picked at . I noticed she didnt mention the cast building in her comment about the Epworth Hall.
Im not fussed about you picking at me but i dont think you were, i think you were picking at Gill about the scoring.
I would spend the money on the Epworth Hall.
I didnt criticise the use of your English anywhere, i actually think your comment was directed at Gill as it was placed under her comment with.no name mentioned and in the past it was always her you picked at . I noticed she didnt mention the cast building in her comment about the Epworth Hall. Im not fussed about you picking at me but i dont think you were, i think you were picking at Gill about the scoring. I would spend the money on the Epworth Hall. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 10

9:29pm Sun 30 Mar 14

telstar1962 says...

Yes, the money could be used for local groups such as Epworth Hall, but also Groups like South Kerrier Heritage Trust, South Kerrier Alliance, Old Cornwall Society (Helston Branch) the Helston History Group, and other Educational Establishments should be included more in the process of Helston's regeneration.
I believe these groups can have an important input in the ways in which some of the older buildings could be put to good use for the betterment of the whole Town and its future

PS Gill talks a lot of sense and would make a top-class Councillor
Yes, the money could be used for local groups such as Epworth Hall, but also Groups like South Kerrier Heritage Trust, South Kerrier Alliance, Old Cornwall Society (Helston Branch) the Helston History Group, and other Educational Establishments should be included more in the process of Helston's regeneration. I believe these groups can have an important input in the ways in which some of the older buildings could be put to good use for the betterment of the whole Town and its future PS Gill talks a lot of sense and would make a top-class Councillor telstar1962
  • Score: 9

9:29pm Sun 30 Mar 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Apparently the percentage amount that returned the questionnaire, although pitiful to us, is above the average rate for such questionnaires nationally?! Still a poor show though considering how much people complain. And Ron Edgcumbe - your excuse for not returning the form if you'd received it was appalling - totally indicative of unhelpful attitudes running the town down.

You say it is obvious what is wrong with the town and what must be put right. Please, document your 'obvious' solutions and submit them to the appropriate authorities so they can be immediately implemented and I will be the first to sing 'All Hail King Ron' when they succeed.
Apparently the percentage amount that returned the questionnaire, although pitiful to us, is above the average rate for such questionnaires nationally?! Still a poor show though considering how much people complain. And Ron Edgcumbe - your excuse for not returning the form if you'd received it was appalling - totally indicative of unhelpful attitudes running the town down. You say it is obvious what is wrong with the town and what must be put right. Please, document your 'obvious' solutions and submit them to the appropriate authorities so they can be immediately implemented and I will be the first to sing 'All Hail King Ron' when they succeed. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 0

9:54pm Sun 30 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

What nonsense I am a proud Helstonian and would never run the town down.
I have always suggested idea's but cannot offer a solution as there probably isn't one.
We should concentrate on parking and making the town as accessible and free to park as possible.
We should not be putting of investment by raising uncertainty and stop the continued wastage of the 106 money.
What nonsense I am a proud Helstonian and would never run the town down. I have always suggested idea's but cannot offer a solution as there probably isn't one. We should concentrate on parking and making the town as accessible and free to park as possible. We should not be putting of investment by raising uncertainty and stop the continued wastage of the 106 money. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -3

10:06pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Rainbow over Helston wrote:
Lol thats really funny Gill,positive people, and half the businesses didnt bother to return the survey!!!! Wasnt it supposed to be promoted as the friendliest town as well?
Whats peoples opinions of the TC? Be interested to see what the money is spent on in the end.
I do find the town very friendly and I patronise it at least three days a week, very often more.

I believe that the Town Council does an excellent job, I think it can often be a thankless task for Councillors. They put in an awful lot of voluntary hours and effort, at times I think prescriptiveness and political correctness leans towards being a hinderance, and a more productive balance could possibly be sought when making decisions to rectify some existing issues within the town.
They are continually striving to achieve results, and in my view, very often lack the support they should be getting from Cornwall Council.
They have excellent leadership and will continue to do so in May.
[quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: Lol thats really funny Gill,positive people, and half the businesses didnt bother to return the survey!!!! Wasnt it supposed to be promoted as the friendliest town as well? Whats peoples opinions of the TC? Be interested to see what the money is spent on in the end.[/p][/quote]I do find the town very friendly and I patronise it at least three days a week, very often more. I believe that the Town Council does an excellent job, I think it can often be a thankless task for Councillors. They put in an awful lot of voluntary hours and effort, at times I think prescriptiveness and political correctness leans towards being a hinderance, and a more productive balance could possibly be sought when making decisions to rectify some existing issues within the town. They are continually striving to achieve results, and in my view, very often lack the support they should be getting from Cornwall Council. They have excellent leadership and will continue to do so in May. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 10

10:38pm Sun 30 Mar 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
Rainbow over Helston wrote:
Lol thats really funny Gill,positive people, and half the businesses didnt bother to return the survey!!!! Wasnt it supposed to be promoted as the friendliest town as well?
Whats peoples opinions of the TC? Be interested to see what the money is spent on in the end.
I do find the town very friendly and I patronise it at least three days a week, very often more.

I believe that the Town Council does an excellent job, I think it can often be a thankless task for Councillors. They put in an awful lot of voluntary hours and effort, at times I think prescriptiveness and political correctness leans towards being a hinderance, and a more productive balance could possibly be sought when making decisions to rectify some existing issues within the town.
They are continually striving to achieve results, and in my view, very often lack the support they should be getting from Cornwall Council.
They have excellent leadership and will continue to do so in May.
I live in the town and I'm friendly.
I don't think I have ever been anywhere that was unfriendly.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rainbow over Helston[/bold] wrote: Lol thats really funny Gill,positive people, and half the businesses didnt bother to return the survey!!!! Wasnt it supposed to be promoted as the friendliest town as well? Whats peoples opinions of the TC? Be interested to see what the money is spent on in the end.[/p][/quote]I do find the town very friendly and I patronise it at least three days a week, very often more. I believe that the Town Council does an excellent job, I think it can often be a thankless task for Councillors. They put in an awful lot of voluntary hours and effort, at times I think prescriptiveness and political correctness leans towards being a hinderance, and a more productive balance could possibly be sought when making decisions to rectify some existing issues within the town. They are continually striving to achieve results, and in my view, very often lack the support they should be getting from Cornwall Council. They have excellent leadership and will continue to do so in May.[/p][/quote]I live in the town and I'm friendly. I don't think I have ever been anywhere that was unfriendly. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 5

10:50pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Rainbow over Helston says...

Helston South and Porthlevens got an unfriendly Cornwall Cllr i reckon.
Helston South and Porthlevens got an unfriendly Cornwall Cllr i reckon. Rainbow over Helston
  • Score: 12

9:16am Mon 31 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Yes, the money could be used for local groups such as Epworth Hall, but also Groups like South Kerrier Heritage Trust, South Kerrier Alliance, Old Cornwall Society (Helston Branch) the Helston History Group, and other Educational Establishments should be included more in the process of Helston's regeneration.
I believe these groups can have an important input in the ways in which some of the older buildings could be put to good use for the betterment of the whole Town and its future

PS Gill talks a lot of sense and would make a top-class Councillor
What was the idea of your last sentence I wonder, to get thumbs up for your comment or to get thumbs down so it made fun of Gill again. I think your dig about the English language degree was directed at Gill, it was right under her comments and you never quoted rainbow over Helstons comment, I think you then just tried to say it was directed at rainbow over Helston when challenged. Rainbow over Helston never mentioned your English. (Given Gills comment I read on another article on here, I think that was a pretty mean dig). Many times in the past you had digs about the scoring Gill got and complained about your thumbs down. Well perhaps it's Three Word Wonder or miss perfect that is voting your comments down, they seem to have gone quiet since you started commenting again.
I don't think the money should be split between all the groups you mention, they're not all groups based in the town centre. If the South Kerrier Alliance can afford the Old Cattle Market I think they've had enough money. I think your interest lies in the CAST building, judging by all your past comments, and Three Word Wonders comments, well it doesn't seem its got very far has it? The building is far too big and delapitated I think and just because it was a Passmore Edwards building doesn't make it worth keeping. I think it will always be money draining. Any update on it? How many real artists use it? I saw the last exhibition and I think there was about two out of them with any real talent.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Yes, the money could be used for local groups such as Epworth Hall, but also Groups like South Kerrier Heritage Trust, South Kerrier Alliance, Old Cornwall Society (Helston Branch) the Helston History Group, and other Educational Establishments should be included more in the process of Helston's regeneration. I believe these groups can have an important input in the ways in which some of the older buildings could be put to good use for the betterment of the whole Town and its future PS Gill talks a lot of sense and would make a top-class Councillor[/p][/quote]What was the idea of your last sentence I wonder, to get thumbs up for your comment or to get thumbs down so it made fun of Gill again. I think your dig about the English language degree was directed at Gill, it was right under her comments and you never quoted rainbow over Helstons comment, I think you then just tried to say it was directed at rainbow over Helston when challenged. Rainbow over Helston never mentioned your English. (Given Gills comment I read on another article on here, I think that was a pretty mean dig). Many times in the past you had digs about the scoring Gill got and complained about your thumbs down. Well perhaps it's Three Word Wonder or miss perfect that is voting your comments down, they seem to have gone quiet since you started commenting again. I don't think the money should be split between all the groups you mention, they're not all groups based in the town centre. If the South Kerrier Alliance can afford the Old Cattle Market I think they've had enough money. I think your interest lies in the CAST building, judging by all your past comments, and Three Word Wonders comments, well it doesn't seem its got very far has it? The building is far too big and delapitated I think and just because it was a Passmore Edwards building doesn't make it worth keeping. I think it will always be money draining. Any update on it? How many real artists use it? I saw the last exhibition and I think there was about two out of them with any real talent. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 10

9:19am Mon 31 Mar 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
telstar1962 wrote:
Yes, the money could be used for local groups such as Epworth Hall, but also Groups like South Kerrier Heritage Trust, South Kerrier Alliance, Old Cornwall Society (Helston Branch) the Helston History Group, and other Educational Establishments should be included more in the process of Helston's regeneration.
I believe these groups can have an important input in the ways in which some of the older buildings could be put to good use for the betterment of the whole Town and its future

PS Gill talks a lot of sense and would make a top-class Councillor
What was the idea of your last sentence I wonder, to get thumbs up for your comment or to get thumbs down so it made fun of Gill again. I think your dig about the English language degree was directed at Gill, it was right under her comments and you never quoted rainbow over Helstons comment, I think you then just tried to say it was directed at rainbow over Helston when challenged. Rainbow over Helston never mentioned your English. (Given Gills comment I read on another article on here, I think that was a pretty mean dig). Many times in the past you had digs about the scoring Gill got and complained about your thumbs down. Well perhaps it's Three Word Wonder or miss perfect that is voting your comments down, they seem to have gone quiet since you started commenting again.
I don't think the money should be split between all the groups you mention, they're not all groups based in the town centre. If the South Kerrier Alliance can afford the Old Cattle Market I think they've had enough money. I think your interest lies in the CAST building, judging by all your past comments, and Three Word Wonders comments, well it doesn't seem its got very far has it? The building is far too big and delapitated I think and just because it was a Passmore Edwards building doesn't make it worth keeping. I think it will always be money draining. Any update on it? How many real artists use it? I saw the last exhibition and I think there was about two out of them with any real talent.
Only two of the artists had any real talent?

In your 'humble' opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Yes, the money could be used for local groups such as Epworth Hall, but also Groups like South Kerrier Heritage Trust, South Kerrier Alliance, Old Cornwall Society (Helston Branch) the Helston History Group, and other Educational Establishments should be included more in the process of Helston's regeneration. I believe these groups can have an important input in the ways in which some of the older buildings could be put to good use for the betterment of the whole Town and its future PS Gill talks a lot of sense and would make a top-class Councillor[/p][/quote]What was the idea of your last sentence I wonder, to get thumbs up for your comment or to get thumbs down so it made fun of Gill again. I think your dig about the English language degree was directed at Gill, it was right under her comments and you never quoted rainbow over Helstons comment, I think you then just tried to say it was directed at rainbow over Helston when challenged. Rainbow over Helston never mentioned your English. (Given Gills comment I read on another article on here, I think that was a pretty mean dig). Many times in the past you had digs about the scoring Gill got and complained about your thumbs down. Well perhaps it's Three Word Wonder or miss perfect that is voting your comments down, they seem to have gone quiet since you started commenting again. I don't think the money should be split between all the groups you mention, they're not all groups based in the town centre. If the South Kerrier Alliance can afford the Old Cattle Market I think they've had enough money. I think your interest lies in the CAST building, judging by all your past comments, and Three Word Wonders comments, well it doesn't seem its got very far has it? The building is far too big and delapitated I think and just because it was a Passmore Edwards building doesn't make it worth keeping. I think it will always be money draining. Any update on it? How many real artists use it? I saw the last exhibition and I think there was about two out of them with any real talent.[/p][/quote]Only two of the artists had any real talent? In your 'humble' opinion. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: -11

10:20am Mon 31 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
telstar1962 wrote:
Yes, the money could be used for local groups such as Epworth Hall, but also Groups like South Kerrier Heritage Trust, South Kerrier Alliance, Old Cornwall Society (Helston Branch) the Helston History Group, and other Educational Establishments should be included more in the process of Helston's regeneration.
I believe these groups can have an important input in the ways in which some of the older buildings could be put to good use for the betterment of the whole Town and its future

PS Gill talks a lot of sense and would make a top-class Councillor
What was the idea of your last sentence I wonder, to get thumbs up for your comment or to get thumbs down so it made fun of Gill again. I think your dig about the English language degree was directed at Gill, it was right under her comments and you never quoted rainbow over Helstons comment, I think you then just tried to say it was directed at rainbow over Helston when challenged. Rainbow over Helston never mentioned your English. (Given Gills comment I read on another article on here, I think that was a pretty mean dig). Many times in the past you had digs about the scoring Gill got and complained about your thumbs down. Well perhaps it's Three Word Wonder or miss perfect that is voting your comments down, they seem to have gone quiet since you started commenting again.
I don't think the money should be split between all the groups you mention, they're not all groups based in the town centre. If the South Kerrier Alliance can afford the Old Cattle Market I think they've had enough money. I think your interest lies in the CAST building, judging by all your past comments, and Three Word Wonders comments, well it doesn't seem its got very far has it? The building is far too big and delapitated I think and just because it was a Passmore Edwards building doesn't make it worth keeping. I think it will always be money draining. Any update on it? How many real artists use it? I saw the last exhibition and I think there was about two out of them with any real talent.
Only two of the artists had any real talent?

In your 'humble' opinion.
Point taken, but judging by some of the original comments on here and what I listened to when I was there, I was not alone thinking that way. I mean a few abstract blobs of paint that don't look any different from a very young child's drawing, how many of those do you ever see on the wall in people's houses, anyone could do that, even I could. There was some good stuff there but that was a minority to me. Take a look back in the Packet, they had some of the pictures on here. So where is the Cast project actually leading then? the size of that building is ridiculous I think to maintain without massive investment, couldn't they have had the project somewhere smaller? All very nice trying to save a building but not if they expect the money to come from a cash strapped council that sold the place because they couldn't afford to maintain it. Cornwall council can't even maintain the park and that is used by the wider public. I don't think investing any of this Sainsbury/Tesco money in the CAST would be worthwhile. Last in first out. Plenty of other worthwhile causes in town.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Yes, the money could be used for local groups such as Epworth Hall, but also Groups like South Kerrier Heritage Trust, South Kerrier Alliance, Old Cornwall Society (Helston Branch) the Helston History Group, and other Educational Establishments should be included more in the process of Helston's regeneration. I believe these groups can have an important input in the ways in which some of the older buildings could be put to good use for the betterment of the whole Town and its future PS Gill talks a lot of sense and would make a top-class Councillor[/p][/quote]What was the idea of your last sentence I wonder, to get thumbs up for your comment or to get thumbs down so it made fun of Gill again. I think your dig about the English language degree was directed at Gill, it was right under her comments and you never quoted rainbow over Helstons comment, I think you then just tried to say it was directed at rainbow over Helston when challenged. Rainbow over Helston never mentioned your English. (Given Gills comment I read on another article on here, I think that was a pretty mean dig). Many times in the past you had digs about the scoring Gill got and complained about your thumbs down. Well perhaps it's Three Word Wonder or miss perfect that is voting your comments down, they seem to have gone quiet since you started commenting again. I don't think the money should be split between all the groups you mention, they're not all groups based in the town centre. If the South Kerrier Alliance can afford the Old Cattle Market I think they've had enough money. I think your interest lies in the CAST building, judging by all your past comments, and Three Word Wonders comments, well it doesn't seem its got very far has it? The building is far too big and delapitated I think and just because it was a Passmore Edwards building doesn't make it worth keeping. I think it will always be money draining. Any update on it? How many real artists use it? I saw the last exhibition and I think there was about two out of them with any real talent.[/p][/quote]Only two of the artists had any real talent? In your 'humble' opinion.[/p][/quote]Point taken, but judging by some of the original comments on here and what I listened to when I was there, I was not alone thinking that way. I mean a few abstract blobs of paint that don't look any different from a very young child's drawing, how many of those do you ever see on the wall in people's houses, anyone could do that, even I could. There was some good stuff there but that was a minority to me. Take a look back in the Packet, they had some of the pictures on here. So where is the Cast project actually leading then? the size of that building is ridiculous I think to maintain without massive investment, couldn't they have had the project somewhere smaller? All very nice trying to save a building but not if they expect the money to come from a cash strapped council that sold the place because they couldn't afford to maintain it. Cornwall council can't even maintain the park and that is used by the wider public. I don't think investing any of this Sainsbury/Tesco money in the CAST would be worthwhile. Last in first out. Plenty of other worthwhile causes in town. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 6

4:32pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

By the way, telstar says some of the business owners he spoke to said they were too busy to fill the survey in. I think that's pathetic, some of the businesses weren't too busy to apply for grants to do their businesses up with, and why should the council bother spending their money to help increase footfall for their businesses if they can't be bothered to fill a survey in for the council. I think the council should just give all the money to other worthwhile causes in the town which aren't profit making businesses, and let the business owners sort their own lack of trade out.
I can understand some public not filling the survey in but what was the point in the BIP if they can't even bother to work with the council, didn't seem to mind wasting some of the councils money that was given to them on grants and logos. Looks to me as if the BIP are turning out to be a waste of time and money and with members like Cllr Wallis and Cllr Haycock I'm not surprised right now.
By the way, telstar says some of the business owners he spoke to said they were too busy to fill the survey in. I think that's pathetic, some of the businesses weren't too busy to apply for grants to do their businesses up with, and why should the council bother spending their money to help increase footfall for their businesses if they can't be bothered to fill a survey in for the council. I think the council should just give all the money to other worthwhile causes in the town which aren't profit making businesses, and let the business owners sort their own lack of trade out. I can understand some public not filling the survey in but what was the point in the BIP if they can't even bother to work with the council, didn't seem to mind wasting some of the councils money that was given to them on grants and logos. Looks to me as if the BIP are turning out to be a waste of time and money and with members like Cllr Wallis and Cllr Haycock I'm not surprised right now. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 7

5:45pm Mon 31 Mar 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
By the way, telstar says some of the business owners he spoke to said they were too busy to fill the survey in. I think that's pathetic, some of the businesses weren't too busy to apply for grants to do their businesses up with, and why should the council bother spending their money to help increase footfall for their businesses if they can't be bothered to fill a survey in for the council. I think the council should just give all the money to other worthwhile causes in the town which aren't profit making businesses, and let the business owners sort their own lack of trade out.
I can understand some public not filling the survey in but what was the point in the BIP if they can't even bother to work with the council, didn't seem to mind wasting some of the councils money that was given to them on grants and logos. Looks to me as if the BIP are turning out to be a waste of time and money and with members like Cllr Wallis and Cllr Haycock I'm not surprised right now.
I agree with the first half of your comment, but i would suggest that the business owners that did bother to return their questionnaire, probably were the BIP members...
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: By the way, telstar says some of the business owners he spoke to said they were too busy to fill the survey in. I think that's pathetic, some of the businesses weren't too busy to apply for grants to do their businesses up with, and why should the council bother spending their money to help increase footfall for their businesses if they can't be bothered to fill a survey in for the council. I think the council should just give all the money to other worthwhile causes in the town which aren't profit making businesses, and let the business owners sort their own lack of trade out. I can understand some public not filling the survey in but what was the point in the BIP if they can't even bother to work with the council, didn't seem to mind wasting some of the councils money that was given to them on grants and logos. Looks to me as if the BIP are turning out to be a waste of time and money and with members like Cllr Wallis and Cllr Haycock I'm not surprised right now.[/p][/quote]I agree with the first half of your comment, but i would suggest that the business owners that did bother to return their questionnaire, probably were the BIP members... krazyitchkatie
  • Score: -6

7:25pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
By the way, telstar says some of the business owners he spoke to said they were too busy to fill the survey in. I think that's pathetic, some of the businesses weren't too busy to apply for grants to do their businesses up with, and why should the council bother spending their money to help increase footfall for their businesses if they can't be bothered to fill a survey in for the council. I think the council should just give all the money to other worthwhile causes in the town which aren't profit making businesses, and let the business owners sort their own lack of trade out.
I can understand some public not filling the survey in but what was the point in the BIP if they can't even bother to work with the council, didn't seem to mind wasting some of the councils money that was given to them on grants and logos. Looks to me as if the BIP are turning out to be a waste of time and money and with members like Cllr Wallis and Cllr Haycock I'm not surprised right now.
I agree with the first half of your comment, but i would suggest that the business owners that did bother to return their questionnaire, probably were the BIP members...
So 33 out of 228 business surveys were returned, can't be many businesses belong to the BIP then I presume, doesn't say much for the incentive for a business to join it then does it? Don't think much of their chances of becoming a business improvement district then like Camborne.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: By the way, telstar says some of the business owners he spoke to said they were too busy to fill the survey in. I think that's pathetic, some of the businesses weren't too busy to apply for grants to do their businesses up with, and why should the council bother spending their money to help increase footfall for their businesses if they can't be bothered to fill a survey in for the council. I think the council should just give all the money to other worthwhile causes in the town which aren't profit making businesses, and let the business owners sort their own lack of trade out. I can understand some public not filling the survey in but what was the point in the BIP if they can't even bother to work with the council, didn't seem to mind wasting some of the councils money that was given to them on grants and logos. Looks to me as if the BIP are turning out to be a waste of time and money and with members like Cllr Wallis and Cllr Haycock I'm not surprised right now.[/p][/quote]I agree with the first half of your comment, but i would suggest that the business owners that did bother to return their questionnaire, probably were the BIP members...[/p][/quote]So 33 out of 228 business surveys were returned, can't be many businesses belong to the BIP then I presume, doesn't say much for the incentive for a business to join it then does it? Don't think much of their chances of becoming a business improvement district then like Camborne. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 8

8:34pm Mon 31 Mar 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
By the way, telstar says some of the business owners he spoke to said they were too busy to fill the survey in. I think that's pathetic, some of the businesses weren't too busy to apply for grants to do their businesses up with, and why should the council bother spending their money to help increase footfall for their businesses if they can't be bothered to fill a survey in for the council. I think the council should just give all the money to other worthwhile causes in the town which aren't profit making businesses, and let the business owners sort their own lack of trade out.
I can understand some public not filling the survey in but what was the point in the BIP if they can't even bother to work with the council, didn't seem to mind wasting some of the councils money that was given to them on grants and logos. Looks to me as if the BIP are turning out to be a waste of time and money and with members like Cllr Wallis and Cllr Haycock I'm not surprised right now.
I agree with the first half of your comment, but i would suggest that the business owners that did bother to return their questionnaire, probably were the BIP members...
So 33 out of 228 business surveys were returned, can't be many businesses belong to the BIP then I presume, doesn't say much for the incentive for a business to join it then does it? Don't think much of their chances of becoming a business improvement district then like Camborne.
Pie in the sky reasoning there...
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: By the way, telstar says some of the business owners he spoke to said they were too busy to fill the survey in. I think that's pathetic, some of the businesses weren't too busy to apply for grants to do their businesses up with, and why should the council bother spending their money to help increase footfall for their businesses if they can't be bothered to fill a survey in for the council. I think the council should just give all the money to other worthwhile causes in the town which aren't profit making businesses, and let the business owners sort their own lack of trade out. I can understand some public not filling the survey in but what was the point in the BIP if they can't even bother to work with the council, didn't seem to mind wasting some of the councils money that was given to them on grants and logos. Looks to me as if the BIP are turning out to be a waste of time and money and with members like Cllr Wallis and Cllr Haycock I'm not surprised right now.[/p][/quote]I agree with the first half of your comment, but i would suggest that the business owners that did bother to return their questionnaire, probably were the BIP members...[/p][/quote]So 33 out of 228 business surveys were returned, can't be many businesses belong to the BIP then I presume, doesn't say much for the incentive for a business to join it then does it? Don't think much of their chances of becoming a business improvement district then like Camborne.[/p][/quote]Pie in the sky reasoning there... krazyitchkatie
  • Score: -7

11:19pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Don't think it works both ways, if only 33 returned surveys and you say you think it would be the BIP members that returned them, or most of them, then either there are only about 33 members which is very low out of 228 business's or else there are more BIP members and they just didn't return the surveys. I'll have a look on their website see how many members there are. Still means many businesses couldn't be bothered to help the council so why the council bother with them I have no idea, especially with the grant money, as it still originated from the councils money. Good luck anyway with the BIP and I really mean that, I just don't think it will go the distance. I live in the town so will know how it works out.
Don't think it works both ways, if only 33 returned surveys and you say you think it would be the BIP members that returned them, or most of them, then either there are only about 33 members which is very low out of 228 business's or else there are more BIP members and they just didn't return the surveys. I'll have a look on their website see how many members there are. Still means many businesses couldn't be bothered to help the council so why the council bother with them I have no idea, especially with the grant money, as it still originated from the councils money. Good luck anyway with the BIP and I really mean that, I just don't think it will go the distance. I live in the town so will know how it works out. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 4

8:08am Tue 1 Apr 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Don't think it works both ways, if only 33 returned surveys and you say you think it would be the BIP members that returned them, or most of them, then either there are only about 33 members which is very low out of 228 business's or else there are more BIP members and they just didn't return the surveys. I'll have a look on their website see how many members there are. Still means many businesses couldn't be bothered to help the council so why the council bother with them I have no idea, especially with the grant money, as it still originated from the councils money. Good luck anyway with the BIP and I really mean that, I just don't think it will go the distance. I live in the town so will know how it works out.
I did say I agreed with the first half of your comment
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: Don't think it works both ways, if only 33 returned surveys and you say you think it would be the BIP members that returned them, or most of them, then either there are only about 33 members which is very low out of 228 business's or else there are more BIP members and they just didn't return the surveys. I'll have a look on their website see how many members there are. Still means many businesses couldn't be bothered to help the council so why the council bother with them I have no idea, especially with the grant money, as it still originated from the councils money. Good luck anyway with the BIP and I really mean that, I just don't think it will go the distance. I live in the town so will know how it works out.[/p][/quote]I did say I agreed with the first half of your comment krazyitchkatie
  • Score: -3

8:35am Tue 1 Apr 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

Helston fotw, I went to the exhibition at the CAST in Penrose Road and thought it was very good, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and we cannot all appreciate the same art, every contributor entered their achievement for the public to see, which I believe is a brave thing to do.

The HBIP have worked really hard for Helston and are continuing to do so, it has certainly looked cleaner and more inviting since the HBIP evolved. I believe they will continue to do well.

Rainbow over Helston, it is Helston West not South and I fail to see how you arrived at that conclusion when you live in Scotland and stated previously you had never met the person when you lived in Helston.
Helston fotw, I went to the exhibition at the CAST in Penrose Road and thought it was very good, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and we cannot all appreciate the same art, every contributor entered their achievement for the public to see, which I believe is a brave thing to do. The HBIP have worked really hard for Helston and are continuing to do so, it has certainly looked cleaner and more inviting since the HBIP evolved. I believe they will continue to do well. Rainbow over Helston, it is Helston West not South and I fail to see how you arrived at that conclusion when you live in Scotland and stated previously you had never met the person when you lived in Helston. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 4

10:57am Tue 1 Apr 14

scrumble says...

I wonder whether the lack of response could also have been the actual returning of the form itself. I live within 5 minutes walk of the Guildhall so could return it easily. Lots of residents have to drive to get to the town centre and would possibly have to pay to park.
I think if it had been printed on thinner paper so that it could have been folded with a return address on (possibly even prepaid) it might have got more replies. Or perhaps have some shops in the town (and possibly supermarkets) with collection boxes where forms could be left. The Guildhall isn't the easiest place to get to for many people.
The form itself took a lot of thinking through as well - eg where would you have an open space in the town? Where would you put a tourist information office? A few practical alternatives would have been helpful.
This wouldn't explain the lack of response from businesses though.
I wonder whether the lack of response could also have been the actual returning of the form itself. I live within 5 minutes walk of the Guildhall so could return it easily. Lots of residents have to drive to get to the town centre and would possibly have to pay to park. I think if it had been printed on thinner paper so that it could have been folded with a return address on (possibly even prepaid) it might have got more replies. Or perhaps have some shops in the town (and possibly supermarkets) with collection boxes where forms could be left. The Guildhall isn't the easiest place to get to for many people. The form itself took a lot of thinking through as well - eg where would you have an open space in the town? Where would you put a tourist information office? A few practical alternatives would have been helpful. This wouldn't explain the lack of response from businesses though. scrumble
  • Score: 0

1:59pm Tue 1 Apr 14

telstar1962 says...

ScRuMbLe says it all

The Guildhall isn't the easiest of places to get to.
Right on, it's only at the heart of the Town, and a focal point for decision making etc etc

So how come all those Councillors find there way to it 2 or 3 times a week for meetings etc
ScRuMbLe says it all The Guildhall isn't the easiest of places to get to. Right on, it's only at the heart of the Town, and a focal point for decision making etc etc So how come all those Councillors find there way to it 2 or 3 times a week for meetings etc telstar1962
  • Score: 0

3:30pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

telstar1962 wrote:
ScRuMbLe says it all

The Guildhall isn't the easiest of places to get to.
Right on, it's only at the heart of the Town, and a focal point for decision making etc etc

So how come all those Councillors find there way to it 2 or 3 times a week for meetings etc
'Town' town, there? their!! Did you forget your user name lol
See, I have a sense of humour!!!

Do love the comment though, made me laugh. Bet all those people would make it to the Guildhall if you offered them a freebie in return for the survey.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: ScRuMbLe says it all The Guildhall isn't the easiest of places to get to. Right on, it's only at the heart of the Town, and a focal point for decision making etc etc So how come all those Councillors find there way to it 2 or 3 times a week for meetings etc[/p][/quote]'Town' town, there? their!! Did you forget your user name lol See, I have a sense of humour!!! Do love the comment though, made me laugh. Bet all those people would make it to the Guildhall if you offered them a freebie in return for the survey. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 6

7:08pm Tue 1 Apr 14

telstar1962 says...

telstar1962 wrote:
telstar1962 wrote:
I really don't mind my comments being marked by someone who may like to appear to have an English Language degree, but for those who are more observant, I find the following shops/outlets open on a Sunday: the Spar Shop, an occasional Pub, the JJ Newsagents, Texaco Petrol Station shop, Zoar Tyres, Coronation Lake Café, even the old Woolworths and the Betting Shops.

I do not just write on here, paying lip-service from afar, but I use these retail establishments.

I was exaggerating, but to me £800k is quite near to £1m, Ask all the residents of Helston, plus everyone on here who is taking the time to participate in the discussion, whether all of the money spent so far has been on all the right things.

I think Ron is right, when he says that a lot of this money has been wasted.

A couple of the local business owners I've spoken to said they were just too busy to fill in the survey
And the Londis Shop, and Mother's

I think someone needs to be more observant when in Helston on a Sunday lol
and to add to the spar shop and pubs, and 9 others and Mothers and Londis
Beijing Cuisine
Anglo Asian
Bollywood Spice
Helston Grill
Vinos 2
Jade Garden

Helston is alive and well on Sundays, especially if you like food and drink !!
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: I really don't mind my comments being marked by someone who may like to appear to have an English Language degree, but for those who are more observant, I find the following shops/outlets open on a Sunday: the Spar Shop, an occasional Pub, the JJ Newsagents, Texaco Petrol Station shop, Zoar Tyres, Coronation Lake Café, even the old Woolworths and the Betting Shops. I do not just write on here, paying lip-service from afar, but I use these retail establishments. I was exaggerating, but to me £800k is quite near to £1m, Ask all the residents of Helston, plus everyone on here who is taking the time to participate in the discussion, whether all of the money spent so far has been on all the right things. I think Ron is right, when he says that a lot of this money has been wasted. A couple of the local business owners I've spoken to said they were just too busy to fill in the survey[/p][/quote]And the Londis Shop, and Mother's I think someone needs to be more observant when in Helston on a Sunday lol[/p][/quote]and to add to the spar shop and pubs, and 9 others and Mothers and Londis Beijing Cuisine Anglo Asian Bollywood Spice Helston Grill Vinos 2 Jade Garden Helston is alive and well on Sundays, especially if you like food and drink !! telstar1962
  • Score: -1

7:38pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

telstar you said before that you don't live in Helston and yet you also said you spend money there 7 days a week, so you're in Helston 7 days a week? I think either you have nothing better to do or else you work in Helston, if you work in Helston you could be a Cllr so how come your not? Seeing as you have said you don't agree with a lot they do over time on here. It just seems there are a few people that pick fault with the council but seem reluctant to stand for council, like Ron when it came to it.
telstar you said before that you don't live in Helston and yet you also said you spend money there 7 days a week, so you're in Helston 7 days a week? I think either you have nothing better to do or else you work in Helston, if you work in Helston you could be a Cllr so how come your not? Seeing as you have said you don't agree with a lot they do over time on here. It just seems there are a few people that pick fault with the council but seem reluctant to stand for council, like Ron when it came to it. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 4

10:10pm Tue 1 Apr 14

telstar1962 says...

Good comment Hfotw. I am in Helston regularly every day in connection with work, but do not live near the Town. Due to my work commitments, I do not feel that I could devote sufficient time to the demands of such a responsible position, and others who may be extremely capable may have other reasons.

To be fair, the Town Council have a near impossible task on their hands, but one thing I do say is, that over the last two years the leadership has been noticeably better, and it is so easy for many of us to sit at our computer, in the little spare time we get, telling them how to spend £250k
Good comment Hfotw. I am in Helston regularly every day in connection with work, but do not live near the Town. Due to my work commitments, I do not feel that I could devote sufficient time to the demands of such a responsible position, and others who may be extremely capable may have other reasons. To be fair, the Town Council have a near impossible task on their hands, but one thing I do say is, that over the last two years the leadership has been noticeably better, and it is so easy for many of us to sit at our computer, in the little spare time we get, telling them how to spend £250k telstar1962
  • Score: 2

10:20pm Tue 1 Apr 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
telstar you said before that you don't live in Helston and yet you also said you spend money there 7 days a week, so you're in Helston 7 days a week? I think either you have nothing better to do or else you work in Helston, if you work in Helston you could be a Cllr so how come your not? Seeing as you have said you don't agree with a lot they do over time on here. It just seems there are a few people that pick fault with the council but seem reluctant to stand for council, like Ron when it came to it.
Not true as I have stood for both county and town elections in the past and lost.
Would be interested in representing the town at the moment as I have the most to add there but with the current makeup would be wasting my time.
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: telstar you said before that you don't live in Helston and yet you also said you spend money there 7 days a week, so you're in Helston 7 days a week? I think either you have nothing better to do or else you work in Helston, if you work in Helston you could be a Cllr so how come your not? Seeing as you have said you don't agree with a lot they do over time on here. It just seems there are a few people that pick fault with the council but seem reluctant to stand for council, like Ron when it came to it.[/p][/quote]Not true as I have stood for both county and town elections in the past and lost. Would be interested in representing the town at the moment as I have the most to add there but with the current makeup would be wasting my time. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -1

10:20pm Tue 1 Apr 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
telstar you said before that you don't live in Helston and yet you also said you spend money there 7 days a week, so you're in Helston 7 days a week? I think either you have nothing better to do or else you work in Helston, if you work in Helston you could be a Cllr so how come your not? Seeing as you have said you don't agree with a lot they do over time on here. It just seems there are a few people that pick fault with the council but seem reluctant to stand for council, like Ron when it came to it.
Not true as I have stood for both county and town elections in the past and lost.
Would be interested in representing the town at the moment as I have the most to add there but with the current makeup would be wasting my time.
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: telstar you said before that you don't live in Helston and yet you also said you spend money there 7 days a week, so you're in Helston 7 days a week? I think either you have nothing better to do or else you work in Helston, if you work in Helston you could be a Cllr so how come your not? Seeing as you have said you don't agree with a lot they do over time on here. It just seems there are a few people that pick fault with the council but seem reluctant to stand for council, like Ron when it came to it.[/p][/quote]Not true as I have stood for both county and town elections in the past and lost. Would be interested in representing the town at the moment as I have the most to add there but with the current makeup would be wasting my time. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -1

7:41am Wed 2 Apr 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
telstar you said before that you don't live in Helston and yet you also said you spend money there 7 days a week, so you're in Helston 7 days a week? I think either you have nothing better to do or else you work in Helston, if you work in Helston you could be a Cllr so how come your not? Seeing as you have said you don't agree with a lot they do over time on here. It just seems there are a few people that pick fault with the council but seem reluctant to stand for council, like Ron when it came to it.
Not true as I have stood for both county and town elections in the past and lost.
Would be interested in representing the town at the moment as I have the most to add there but with the current makeup would be wasting my time.
There was a recent vacancy and you said you were going to stand for it but then changed your mind. I believe it does not matter who currently makes up a council, if one joins, it is up to the person that joins to offer their own input and do what they think is best at the time for each individual situation. One should be able to tolerate anyone and talk to anyone. After all, you would all have equal votes on matters. If a vote does not go your way then you have to accept that your way might not have been right. To not join a council simply because you may not agree with some current Councillors, I personally believe to be a non constructive attitude. It is what you can offer the council, not what you think others do not.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: telstar you said before that you don't live in Helston and yet you also said you spend money there 7 days a week, so you're in Helston 7 days a week? I think either you have nothing better to do or else you work in Helston, if you work in Helston you could be a Cllr so how come your not? Seeing as you have said you don't agree with a lot they do over time on here. It just seems there are a few people that pick fault with the council but seem reluctant to stand for council, like Ron when it came to it.[/p][/quote]Not true as I have stood for both county and town elections in the past and lost. Would be interested in representing the town at the moment as I have the most to add there but with the current makeup would be wasting my time.[/p][/quote]There was a recent vacancy and you said you were going to stand for it but then changed your mind. I believe it does not matter who currently makes up a council, if one joins, it is up to the person that joins to offer their own input and do what they think is best at the time for each individual situation. One should be able to tolerate anyone and talk to anyone. After all, you would all have equal votes on matters. If a vote does not go your way then you have to accept that your way might not have been right. To not join a council simply because you may not agree with some current Councillors, I personally believe to be a non constructive attitude. It is what you can offer the council, not what you think others do not. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 4

10:04am Wed 2 Apr 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
telstar you said before that you don't live in Helston and yet you also said you spend money there 7 days a week, so you're in Helston 7 days a week? I think either you have nothing better to do or else you work in Helston, if you work in Helston you could be a Cllr so how come your not? Seeing as you have said you don't agree with a lot they do over time on here. It just seems there are a few people that pick fault with the council but seem reluctant to stand for council, like Ron when it came to it.
Not true as I have stood for both county and town elections in the past and lost.
Would be interested in representing the town at the moment as I have the most to add there but with the current makeup would be wasting my time.
There was a recent vacancy and you said you were going to stand for it but then changed your mind. I believe it does not matter who currently makes up a council, if one joins, it is up to the person that joins to offer their own input and do what they think is best at the time for each individual situation. One should be able to tolerate anyone and talk to anyone. After all, you would all have equal votes on matters. If a vote does not go your way then you have to accept that your way might not have been right. To not join a council simply because you may not agree with some current Councillors, I personally believe to be a non constructive attitude. It is what you can offer the council, not what you think others do not.
I agree Gill. I did think it over for some time and have certainly not given up yet on the town council.
I will continue to monitor and hope for a change of direction and some progress soon.I assure you when I do join I will certainly give 100%.
[quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: telstar you said before that you don't live in Helston and yet you also said you spend money there 7 days a week, so you're in Helston 7 days a week? I think either you have nothing better to do or else you work in Helston, if you work in Helston you could be a Cllr so how come your not? Seeing as you have said you don't agree with a lot they do over time on here. It just seems there are a few people that pick fault with the council but seem reluctant to stand for council, like Ron when it came to it.[/p][/quote]Not true as I have stood for both county and town elections in the past and lost. Would be interested in representing the town at the moment as I have the most to add there but with the current makeup would be wasting my time.[/p][/quote]There was a recent vacancy and you said you were going to stand for it but then changed your mind. I believe it does not matter who currently makes up a council, if one joins, it is up to the person that joins to offer their own input and do what they think is best at the time for each individual situation. One should be able to tolerate anyone and talk to anyone. After all, you would all have equal votes on matters. If a vote does not go your way then you have to accept that your way might not have been right. To not join a council simply because you may not agree with some current Councillors, I personally believe to be a non constructive attitude. It is what you can offer the council, not what you think others do not.[/p][/quote]I agree Gill. I did think it over for some time and have certainly not given up yet on the town council. I will continue to monitor and hope for a change of direction and some progress soon.I assure you when I do join I will certainly give 100%. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -3

11:05am Wed 2 Apr 14

Gillian R.Z. Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gillian R.Z. Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
telstar you said before that you don't live in Helston and yet you also said you spend money there 7 days a week, so you're in Helston 7 days a week? I think either you have nothing better to do or else you work in Helston, if you work in Helston you could be a Cllr so how come your not? Seeing as you have said you don't agree with a lot they do over time on here. It just seems there are a few people that pick fault with the council but seem reluctant to stand for council, like Ron when it came to it.
Not true as I have stood for both county and town elections in the past and lost.
Would be interested in representing the town at the moment as I have the most to add there but with the current makeup would be wasting my time.
There was a recent vacancy and you said you were going to stand for it but then changed your mind. I believe it does not matter who currently makes up a council, if one joins, it is up to the person that joins to offer their own input and do what they think is best at the time for each individual situation. One should be able to tolerate anyone and talk to anyone. After all, you would all have equal votes on matters. If a vote does not go your way then you have to accept that your way might not have been right. To not join a council simply because you may not agree with some current Councillors, I personally believe to be a non constructive attitude. It is what you can offer the council, not what you think others do not.
I agree Gill. I did think it over for some time and have certainly not given up yet on the town council.
I will continue to monitor and hope for a change of direction and some progress soon.I assure you when I do join I will certainly give 100%.
Not sure what you mean a change of direction? each and every councillor will always hold their own opinions and it is quite right that they do so. The council can only go in the direction itself as an entire entity.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gillian R.Z. Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: telstar you said before that you don't live in Helston and yet you also said you spend money there 7 days a week, so you're in Helston 7 days a week? I think either you have nothing better to do or else you work in Helston, if you work in Helston you could be a Cllr so how come your not? Seeing as you have said you don't agree with a lot they do over time on here. It just seems there are a few people that pick fault with the council but seem reluctant to stand for council, like Ron when it came to it.[/p][/quote]Not true as I have stood for both county and town elections in the past and lost. Would be interested in representing the town at the moment as I have the most to add there but with the current makeup would be wasting my time.[/p][/quote]There was a recent vacancy and you said you were going to stand for it but then changed your mind. I believe it does not matter who currently makes up a council, if one joins, it is up to the person that joins to offer their own input and do what they think is best at the time for each individual situation. One should be able to tolerate anyone and talk to anyone. After all, you would all have equal votes on matters. If a vote does not go your way then you have to accept that your way might not have been right. To not join a council simply because you may not agree with some current Councillors, I personally believe to be a non constructive attitude. It is what you can offer the council, not what you think others do not.[/p][/quote]I agree Gill. I did think it over for some time and have certainly not given up yet on the town council. I will continue to monitor and hope for a change of direction and some progress soon.I assure you when I do join I will certainly give 100%.[/p][/quote]Not sure what you mean a change of direction? each and every councillor will always hold their own opinions and it is quite right that they do so. The council can only go in the direction itself as an entire entity. Gillian R.Z. Martin
  • Score: 3

10:53am Fri 4 Apr 14

DCI Jen says...

Considering Ron has been on the website a lot recently he obviously isn't going to answer your question Gill. He said about a change of direction in May before on another article so I think he obviously means a change of mayor in May, particularly as he previously said on more than one occasion the mayor was a weak leader, well if he thinks that will make any difference to the council then I think he is mistaken because the current mayor is good and so is the one that is taking over in May. Wonder how long it will be before Ron criticises something about the council after May. His criticism of the council on this website has gone on for years.
Think Ron should go to a council meeting and put his questions to the council during the public speaking time. Put up or shut up.
Considering Ron has been on the website a lot recently he obviously isn't going to answer your question Gill. He said about a change of direction in May before on another article so I think he obviously means a change of mayor in May, particularly as he previously said on more than one occasion the mayor was a weak leader, well if he thinks that will make any difference to the council then I think he is mistaken because the current mayor is good and so is the one that is taking over in May. Wonder how long it will be before Ron criticises something about the council after May. His criticism of the council on this website has gone on for years. Think Ron should go to a council meeting and put his questions to the council during the public speaking time. Put up or shut up. DCI Jen
  • Score: 4

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