Cabinet member explains decision to stop Helston College rebuild

Cabinet member explains decision to stop Helston College rebuild

Cabinet member explains decision to stop Helston College rebuild

First published in News

The man who oversees schools on behalf of Cornwall Council has explained in more detail why a rebuild of Helston Community College will no longer take place.

Last week the council’s cabinet members “reluctantly” voted to stop progressing a scheme that would have seen the complete redevelopment of the college’s C-Block, at an estimated cost of £10 million.

Councillors heard an “extensive review” had taken place over the last two years to find possible sources of funding, but concluded that none were “achievable or affordable” in the current financial situation.

It brings to an end negotiations of almost two years, following an agreement by the previous cabinet in July 2012 to agree in principle the spending of the £10 million of council funds.

Now Andrew Wallis, Cornwall Councillor for Porthleven and Helston West, who is also portfolio holder for children and young people, has explained in more detail this decision.

Describing it as a “tough decision” he said: “I wish it was different, but the council cannot just magic money and fund this without it having an effect on other areas.

“I wish the funding position was different, and Helston like other schools were getting the school building and funding they deserve. Sadly, this is another example of under-funding in Cornwall.”

Mr Wallis said that when the previous cabinet, of which he was not a member, took the original decision to fund the project it was made “with no clear idea on how the £10 million for the rebuild would be funded.”

He added: “It must be pointed out, it is very unusual for a council to support a large-scale scheme like this from its own resources. In fact the government in the early 2000s took away this power and money and now gives grants directly.”

The government does, however, fund small building schemes and school maintenance each year via the Educational Capital Grant.

For 2012/13 this was £6.8m and for 2013/14 it is £6.34m, which must fund all the county’s local authority schools – with the council currently seeing a maintenance backlog of £59 million.

“So to use all this money for Helston College wouldn’t be enough and would leave all other schools with nothing,” said Mr Wallis.

To fund from the directorate would cost at least £400,000 per year in repayments for more than 20 years and the limited reserves were being used to deal with the “severe financial pressures” the council faced, including paying for the recent storm damage.

One source of money that was identified was the unspent Dedicated Schools Grant, worth roughly £6 million, given by the government to Cornwall for LA schools. However, this money is controlled by the Schools Forum, made up of teachers from Cornwall, which said no to spending it on the Helston rebuild.

The only “small glimmer of hope” is the government’s recent announcement of £2 billion worth of funding for ‘Priority School Building Programme.’

Local authorities, dioceses, academies and multi-academy trusts can submit bids for an entire school site, or parts of it, for funding for rebuilds.

“I believe this is Helston College’s best chance of obtaining funding for this much-needed rebuild.

“I will be doing all I can in making sure Helston College and other schools who are in similar positions to be given some of this funding. It is about time Cornwall was given its fair share of funding, as so often is misses out,” added Mr Wallis.

Headteacher Dr Pat McGovern was unavailable to give his reaction as the Packet went to press.

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7:34am Wed 14 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Whatever decisions have been made or will be made, I do not think what the previous Cornwall Council administration did or did not do/say, is relevant. Financial situations change with government funding, and lack of it, and therefore the administration of Cornwall Council now, need to do what is right in the current circumstances, and base their decisions on their funding availability.
Whatever decisions have been made or will be made, I do not think what the previous Cornwall Council administration did or did not do/say, is relevant. Financial situations change with government funding, and lack of it, and therefore the administration of Cornwall Council now, need to do what is right in the current circumstances, and base their decisions on their funding availability. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 6

7:45am Wed 14 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

I think the Packet seriously needs to update their photo of Councillor Andrew Wallis.
I think the Packet seriously needs to update their photo of Councillor Andrew Wallis. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 9

7:40am Thu 15 May 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.
I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 8

7:58am Thu 15 May 14

ronedgcumbe says...

A poor excuse for an intolerable and possibly dangerous situation. It would have been interesting to hear again from the school. Hopefully they will not give up so easily.
A poor excuse for an intolerable and possibly dangerous situation. It would have been interesting to hear again from the school. Hopefully they will not give up so easily. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 14

8:40am Thu 15 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.
I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business.
Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted.
I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.[/p][/quote]I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business. Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted. I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 8

8:59am Thu 15 May 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.
I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business.
Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted.
I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.
Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.[/p][/quote]I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business. Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted. I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.[/p][/quote]Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 15

9:01am Thu 15 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
A poor excuse for an intolerable and possibly dangerous situation. It would have been interesting to hear again from the school. Hopefully they will not give up so easily.
It is not an excuse Ron, it is reality. Councillor Andrew Wallis has not given up.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: A poor excuse for an intolerable and possibly dangerous situation. It would have been interesting to hear again from the school. Hopefully they will not give up so easily.[/p][/quote]It is not an excuse Ron, it is reality. Councillor Andrew Wallis has not given up. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: -14

9:15am Thu 15 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.
I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business.
Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted.
I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.
Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough.
The Redruth project money does not come from money allocated for schools.
It's like comparing road maintenance, it is a separate budget/pot of money that cannot be spent on schools.
It is not the current council that has allowed years of back log on maintenance for the schools is it?
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.[/p][/quote]I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business. Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted. I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.[/p][/quote]Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough.[/p][/quote]The Redruth project money does not come from money allocated for schools. It's like comparing road maintenance, it is a separate budget/pot of money that cannot be spent on schools. It is not the current council that has allowed years of back log on maintenance for the schools is it? Gill Z Martin
  • Score: -12

9:24am Thu 15 May 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.
I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business.
Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted.
I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.
Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough.
The Redruth project money does not come from money allocated for schools.
It's like comparing road maintenance, it is a separate budget/pot of money that cannot be spent on schools.
It is not the current council that has allowed years of back log on maintenance for the schools is it?
That's just more excuses. The situation at Helston school is completely unacceptable and the current administration needs to address it.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.[/p][/quote]I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business. Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted. I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.[/p][/quote]Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough.[/p][/quote]The Redruth project money does not come from money allocated for schools. It's like comparing road maintenance, it is a separate budget/pot of money that cannot be spent on schools. It is not the current council that has allowed years of back log on maintenance for the schools is it?[/p][/quote]That's just more excuses. The situation at Helston school is completely unacceptable and the current administration needs to address it. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 13

9:30am Thu 15 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.
I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business.
Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted.
I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.
Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough.
The Redruth project money does not come from money allocated for schools.
It's like comparing road maintenance, it is a separate budget/pot of money that cannot be spent on schools.
It is not the current council that has allowed years of back log on maintenance for the schools is it?
That's just more excuses. The situation at Helston school is completely unacceptable and the current administration needs to address it.
Ron different budgets for different things are not excuses, government legislation dictates what some funding can be spent on and what it cannot.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.[/p][/quote]I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business. Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted. I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.[/p][/quote]Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough.[/p][/quote]The Redruth project money does not come from money allocated for schools. It's like comparing road maintenance, it is a separate budget/pot of money that cannot be spent on schools. It is not the current council that has allowed years of back log on maintenance for the schools is it?[/p][/quote]That's just more excuses. The situation at Helston school is completely unacceptable and the current administration needs to address it.[/p][/quote]Ron different budgets for different things are not excuses, government legislation dictates what some funding can be spent on and what it cannot. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: -15

9:37am Thu 15 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Ron, Have you considered speaking to Councillor Andrew Wallis to ask him to answer your questions?
Ron, Have you considered speaking to Councillor Andrew Wallis to ask him to answer your questions? Gill Z Martin
  • Score: -11

9:47am Thu 15 May 14

ronedgcumbe says...

No I see little point.
No I see little point. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -3

6:48pm Thu 15 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.
I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business.
Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted.
I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.
Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough.
The Redruth project money does not come from money allocated for schools.
It's like comparing road maintenance, it is a separate budget/pot of money that cannot be spent on schools.
It is not the current council that has allowed years of back log on maintenance for the schools is it?
That's just more excuses. The situation at Helston school is completely unacceptable and the current administration needs to address it.
You say the current administration needs to address it. Having had the situation explained in the above article, I would be genuinely interested as to how you think they should address it?
I suggested you put your questions directly to the relevant portfolio holding councillor so that you could ascertain answers to your particular questions.

One could blame the schools forum which is made up of teachers, they voted against money towards a rebuild of Helston Community College, from the unspent six million dedicated schools grant, of which over the council has no control. If teachers in Cornwall on the forum, do not deem it appropriate, then how can the council be expected to foot the whole bill for a rebuild?
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.[/p][/quote]I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business. Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted. I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.[/p][/quote]Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough.[/p][/quote]The Redruth project money does not come from money allocated for schools. It's like comparing road maintenance, it is a separate budget/pot of money that cannot be spent on schools. It is not the current council that has allowed years of back log on maintenance for the schools is it?[/p][/quote]That's just more excuses. The situation at Helston school is completely unacceptable and the current administration needs to address it.[/p][/quote]You say the current administration needs to address it. Having had the situation explained in the above article, I would be genuinely interested as to how you think they should address it? I suggested you put your questions directly to the relevant portfolio holding councillor so that you could ascertain answers to your particular questions. One could blame the schools forum which is made up of teachers, they voted against money towards a rebuild of Helston Community College, from the unspent six million dedicated schools grant, of which over the council has no control. If teachers in Cornwall on the forum, do not deem it appropriate, then how can the council be expected to foot the whole bill for a rebuild? Gill Z Martin
  • Score: -15

6:52am Fri 16 May 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.
I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business.
Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted.
I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.
Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough.
The Redruth project money does not come from money allocated for schools.
It's like comparing road maintenance, it is a separate budget/pot of money that cannot be spent on schools.
It is not the current council that has allowed years of back log on maintenance for the schools is it?
That's just more excuses. The situation at Helston school is completely unacceptable and the current administration needs to address it.
You say the current administration needs to address it. Having had the situation explained in the above article, I would be genuinely interested as to how you think they should address it?
I suggested you put your questions directly to the relevant portfolio holding councillor so that you could ascertain answers to your particular questions.

One could blame the schools forum which is made up of teachers, they voted against money towards a rebuild of Helston Community College, from the unspent six million dedicated schools grant, of which over the council has no control. If teachers in Cornwall on the forum, do not deem it appropriate, then how can the council be expected to foot the whole bill for a rebuild?
Don't think Cllr Wallis is well known for bothering to answer questions and emails is he.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.[/p][/quote]I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business. Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted. I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.[/p][/quote]Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough.[/p][/quote]The Redruth project money does not come from money allocated for schools. It's like comparing road maintenance, it is a separate budget/pot of money that cannot be spent on schools. It is not the current council that has allowed years of back log on maintenance for the schools is it?[/p][/quote]That's just more excuses. The situation at Helston school is completely unacceptable and the current administration needs to address it.[/p][/quote]You say the current administration needs to address it. Having had the situation explained in the above article, I would be genuinely interested as to how you think they should address it? I suggested you put your questions directly to the relevant portfolio holding councillor so that you could ascertain answers to your particular questions. One could blame the schools forum which is made up of teachers, they voted against money towards a rebuild of Helston Community College, from the unspent six million dedicated schools grant, of which over the council has no control. If teachers in Cornwall on the forum, do not deem it appropriate, then how can the council be expected to foot the whole bill for a rebuild?[/p][/quote]Don't think Cllr Wallis is well known for bothering to answer questions and emails is he. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 19

11:39am Sat 17 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.
I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business.
Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted.
I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.
Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough.
The Redruth project money does not come from money allocated for schools.
It's like comparing road maintenance, it is a separate budget/pot of money that cannot be spent on schools.
It is not the current council that has allowed years of back log on maintenance for the schools is it?
That's just more excuses. The situation at Helston school is completely unacceptable and the current administration needs to address it.
You say the current administration needs to address it. Having had the situation explained in the above article, I would be genuinely interested as to how you think they should address it?
I suggested you put your questions directly to the relevant portfolio holding councillor so that you could ascertain answers to your particular questions.

One could blame the schools forum which is made up of teachers, they voted against money towards a rebuild of Helston Community College, from the unspent six million dedicated schools grant, of which over the council has no control. If teachers in Cornwall on the forum, do not deem it appropriate, then how can the council be expected to foot the whole bill for a rebuild?
Don't think Cllr Wallis is well known for bothering to answer questions and emails is he.
Have you conducted a survey then?
He has always answered my questions in emails.
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: I think if Cllr Wallis spent less time tweeting and worrying about how many people follow his tweets, perhaps he could spend more time on his well paid cabinet work. All very well playing at being important and getting a lot of attention, but power can go to peoples heads and then they dont seem to me to bother with the lowly public, until election time when they suddenly find the time to knock at your door. Well thats just my opinion anyway. It looks to me like this has just dragged on for ages about the school repairs or rebuild and all that has happened is it has gone back to square one, with no rebuild, schools have to be repaired anyway so nothing new there then. I do think Cllr Wallis should have been honest from the start and just said there is no rebuild going to happen.[/p][/quote]I personally 'do not do' twitter, however, I fail to see how Councillor Andrew Wallis using twitter would impinge on his role as cabinet member, surely that is irrelevant, and whatever anyone does in their free time also is their private business. Councillor Andrew Wallis was honest from the start, he did not know whether or not a rebuild would take place until all the funding options were exhausted. I think you should be aiming your criticism at the government, not Councillor Andrew Wallis, he is not solely responsible for the finances of Cornwall Council, that is why they have a Chief Executive Officer.[/p][/quote]Sorry do not agree again. Cornwall council can find the money for history projects in Redruth and for there new offices in Bodmin. For me passing the blame to the government or the previous council is not good enough.[/p][/quote]The Redruth project money does not come from money allocated for schools. It's like comparing road maintenance, it is a separate budget/pot of money that cannot be spent on schools. It is not the current council that has allowed years of back log on maintenance for the schools is it?[/p][/quote]That's just more excuses. The situation at Helston school is completely unacceptable and the current administration needs to address it.[/p][/quote]You say the current administration needs to address it. Having had the situation explained in the above article, I would be genuinely interested as to how you think they should address it? I suggested you put your questions directly to the relevant portfolio holding councillor so that you could ascertain answers to your particular questions. One could blame the schools forum which is made up of teachers, they voted against money towards a rebuild of Helston Community College, from the unspent six million dedicated schools grant, of which over the council has no control. If teachers in Cornwall on the forum, do not deem it appropriate, then how can the council be expected to foot the whole bill for a rebuild?[/p][/quote]Don't think Cllr Wallis is well known for bothering to answer questions and emails is he.[/p][/quote]Have you conducted a survey then? He has always answered my questions in emails. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 8

9:50pm Sat 17 May 14

DCI Jen says...

Ron, you say "the current administration needs to address it" have you read the bit in the article that says the schools forum voted against using the six million unspent money for the school, the schools forum is made up from teachers in Cornwall and the council has no jurisdiction over their government grant money. If they had voted in favour of using the money then the shortfall could probably have been given by the council, made up from the basic maintenance money. In a project the size and cost of the rebuild, the school has to by policy, put in about ten per cent of the money themselves and they obviously havn't got it. It's not as cut and dried as you think. I notice you don't answer Gills question what do you suggest? Also, if the council use all their schools grants on one school where do you think the money will come from for all the other schools in Cornwall that need repairs?

According to you so far, the Helston town budget was all wrong and the council tax increase etc and yet you have never attended a town council meeting, and have you even seen any of the finance figures and expenditure for anything?
Ron, you say "the current administration needs to address it" have you read the bit in the article that says the schools forum voted against using the six million unspent money for the school, the schools forum is made up from teachers in Cornwall and the council has no jurisdiction over their government grant money. If they had voted in favour of using the money then the shortfall could probably have been given by the council, made up from the basic maintenance money. In a project the size and cost of the rebuild, the school has to by policy, put in about ten per cent of the money themselves and they obviously havn't got it. It's not as cut and dried as you think. I notice you don't answer Gills question what do you suggest? Also, if the council use all their schools grants on one school where do you think the money will come from for all the other schools in Cornwall that need repairs? According to you so far, the Helston town budget was all wrong and the council tax increase etc and yet you have never attended a town council meeting, and have you even seen any of the finance figures and expenditure for anything? DCI Jen
  • Score: -11

7:10am Sun 18 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
No I see little point.
So basically, I believe, in your posts on here, you are prepared to say that Councillor Andrew Wallis is just making excuses and that the administration of which he is part, should just address the problem, yet you refuse to contact him and put your specific concerns forward and give him the chance to answer your particular questions.
I think it is too easy to criticise someone's actions within a role that one does not hold themselves, without offering that person the chance to respond to criticism.
The previous council administration agreed to a rebuild in principle, subject to funding being sought, prior to the last council election, yet there was no clear idea as to where that money was to come from. The current administration now has to deal with the fallout from that, alongside a massive ongoing cut in government funding.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: No I see little point.[/p][/quote]So basically, I believe, in your posts on here, you are prepared to say that Councillor Andrew Wallis is just making excuses and that the administration of which he is part, should just address the problem, yet you refuse to contact him and put your specific concerns forward and give him the chance to answer your particular questions. I think it is too easy to criticise someone's actions within a role that one does not hold themselves, without offering that person the chance to respond to criticism. The previous council administration agreed to a rebuild in principle, subject to funding being sought, prior to the last council election, yet there was no clear idea as to where that money was to come from. The current administration now has to deal with the fallout from that, alongside a massive ongoing cut in government funding. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: -9

8:58pm Sun 18 May 14

Levener says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
A poor excuse for an intolerable and possibly dangerous situation. It would have been interesting to hear again from the school. Hopefully they will not give up so easily.
Ronedgcumbe, do you actually hold an interest in the school, or are you just using the article to knock Cornwall Council or a Cllr? Or perhaps to gain brownie points from the cronies?
If someone refuses to acknowledge facts, or be corrected, it can be a hinderance to learning, progress, or even a basic education, which I think is sad.
You may be biased towards Helston, but Cllr. Wallis, as a cabinet member, should think of the whole of Cornwall, and Helston Community College is not the only school in Cornwall requiring investment.
Gill Z Martin posted a point of validity, if you don't contact Cllr. Wallis by email/phone, then I think you have no courage of your convictions, you post "excuses" on here in response to facts layed out in the article by Cllr Wallis, but you are not prepared to give him chance of response.
In all probability you will not be challenged on here, making it easy to criticise, wheresas if you contact him you would have to contend with a reply!
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: A poor excuse for an intolerable and possibly dangerous situation. It would have been interesting to hear again from the school. Hopefully they will not give up so easily.[/p][/quote]Ronedgcumbe, do you actually hold an interest in the school, or are you just using the article to knock Cornwall Council or a Cllr? Or perhaps to gain brownie points from the cronies? If someone refuses to acknowledge facts, or be corrected, it can be a hinderance to learning, progress, or even a basic education, which I think is sad. You may be biased towards Helston, but Cllr. Wallis, as a cabinet member, should think of the whole of Cornwall, and Helston Community College is not the only school in Cornwall requiring investment. Gill Z Martin posted a point of validity, if you don't contact Cllr. Wallis by email/phone, then I think you have no courage of your convictions, you post "excuses" on here in response to facts layed out in the article by Cllr Wallis, but you are not prepared to give him chance of response. In all probability you will not be challenged on here, making it easy to criticise, wheresas if you contact him you would have to contend with a reply! Levener
  • Score: 3

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