Helston police issue warning over cash giving

'Don't give cash to strangers,' police warn

'Don't give cash to strangers,' police warn

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People have been warned not to give money to strangers and instead report incidents to police in Helston.

It was after a concern was raised at the last meeting of the town council, in particular about one man who regularly approaches people.

PC Anne Butcher said: “I would encourage everybody to report instances for us.

“I would always wish to resolve situations by working with other agencies, but if that doesn’t solve the situation the police’s only other course is to take criminal action.”

She said all the different organisations were aware and the more evidence officers could gather the quicker the solution.

Mayor, Mike Thomas, said: “I think it’s a testament to our town that people are so tolerant and willing to offer support.

It just concerns me that somebody who doesn’t have that tolerance will do a mischief.”

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2:26pm Mon 26 May 14

krazyitchkatie says...

He's perfectly harmless, bless him. It is a bit awkward but he does have people who visit him at home who are no doubt aware.
'Don't give cash to strangers' - it's only 50p - £2 a time
He's perfectly harmless, bless him. It is a bit awkward but he does have people who visit him at home who are no doubt aware. 'Don't give cash to strangers' - it's only 50p - £2 a time krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 4

3:40pm Mon 26 May 14

telstar1962 says...

Begging should not be encouraged
It's been going on for months and it sounds harsh but criminal actjon should not be resorted to 12 months after it started.
Immediate and firm action required.
No chance of that then
Begging should not be encouraged It's been going on for months and it sounds harsh but criminal actjon should not be resorted to 12 months after it started. Immediate and firm action required. No chance of that then telstar1962
  • Score: -8

4:22pm Mon 26 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

"report incidents to police in Helston"

As an objective view:

Helston police station is closed to the public. (Falmouth is also to be closed).
The online crime reporting form only allows certain types of crimes to be reported.
One can of course ring the non urgent 101 number, but assuming the reported 'crime' is not then one to be filtered out, how long will it take for the information to be passed onto Helston?
How much would the call cost?
"report incidents to police in Helston" As an objective view: Helston police station is closed to the public. (Falmouth is also to be closed). The online crime reporting form only allows certain types of crimes to be reported. One can of course ring the non urgent 101 number, but assuming the reported 'crime' is not then one to be filtered out, how long will it take for the information to be passed onto Helston? How much would the call cost? Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 9

4:37pm Mon 26 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Providing actual harassment is not taking place, could someone please explain what the difference is when passing the offering bag round in a Church? It is a free will offering, the Church is asking, one gives or one declines.
Someone on the street asks, one gives or one declines?
Providing actual harassment is not taking place, could someone please explain what the difference is when passing the offering bag round in a Church? It is a free will offering, the Church is asking, one gives or one declines. Someone on the street asks, one gives or one declines? Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 8

5:17pm Mon 26 May 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
Providing actual harassment is not taking place, could someone please explain what the difference is when passing the offering bag round in a Church? It is a free will offering, the Church is asking, one gives or one declines.
Someone on the street asks, one gives or one declines?
Totally agree.
And the man is perfectly polite and doesn't press you.
It is weird, granted, but he obviously is not very well and requires understanding rather than criminal action.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: Providing actual harassment is not taking place, could someone please explain what the difference is when passing the offering bag round in a Church? It is a free will offering, the Church is asking, one gives or one declines. Someone on the street asks, one gives or one declines?[/p][/quote]Totally agree. And the man is perfectly polite and doesn't press you. It is weird, granted, but he obviously is not very well and requires understanding rather than criminal action. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 5

7:40pm Mon 26 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
Providing actual harassment is not taking place, could someone please explain what the difference is when passing the offering bag round in a Church? It is a free will offering, the Church is asking, one gives or one declines.
Someone on the street asks, one gives or one declines?
Totally agree.
And the man is perfectly polite and doesn't press you.
It is weird, granted, but he obviously is not very well and requires understanding rather than criminal action.
If someone asks for money and I give, I do not judge why they ask, nor do I judge how they will spend.

Whatever and whenever I freely give money, there are no strings attached and no ulterior motives.

Wrongly or rightly, I am ruled by compassion not my bank balance.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: Providing actual harassment is not taking place, could someone please explain what the difference is when passing the offering bag round in a Church? It is a free will offering, the Church is asking, one gives or one declines. Someone on the street asks, one gives or one declines?[/p][/quote]Totally agree. And the man is perfectly polite and doesn't press you. It is weird, granted, but he obviously is not very well and requires understanding rather than criminal action.[/p][/quote]If someone asks for money and I give, I do not judge why they ask, nor do I judge how they will spend. Whatever and whenever I freely give money, there are no strings attached and no ulterior motives. Wrongly or rightly, I am ruled by compassion not my bank balance. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 5

8:43pm Mon 26 May 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

For goodness sake, haven't our local police got anything better to do and worry about.
For goodness sake, haven't our local police got anything better to do and worry about. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 5

8:54pm Mon 26 May 14

Helston Girl says...

I live close to where this man lives, and I for one am fed up with being asked if I've got a pound nearly evey time I leave my house. It's harassment (as he now knows that I'll say no) and I feel uncomfortable, especially when my children are with me. He obviously needs help, and hopefully the authorities will now intervene.
I live close to where this man lives, and I for one am fed up with being asked if I've got a pound nearly evey time I leave my house. It's harassment (as he now knows that I'll say no) and I feel uncomfortable, especially when my children are with me. He obviously needs help, and hopefully the authorities will now intervene. Helston Girl
  • Score: -9

9:44pm Mon 26 May 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Helston Girl wrote:
I live close to where this man lives, and I for one am fed up with being asked if I've got a pound nearly evey time I leave my house. It's harassment (as he now knows that I'll say no) and I feel uncomfortable, especially when my children are with me. He obviously needs help, and hopefully the authorities will now intervene.
So if he has asked you so many times you feel it is harassment, have you reported it to the police every single time? If so, why have the police not taken action?
[quote][p][bold]Helston Girl[/bold] wrote: I live close to where this man lives, and I for one am fed up with being asked if I've got a pound nearly evey time I leave my house. It's harassment (as he now knows that I'll say no) and I feel uncomfortable, especially when my children are with me. He obviously needs help, and hopefully the authorities will now intervene.[/p][/quote]So if he has asked you so many times you feel it is harassment, have you reported it to the police every single time? If so, why have the police not taken action? Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 8

9:51pm Mon 26 May 14

Ant'ny says...

Yes, Im sure he is harmless, However the man in question followed my Wife and 12 year old Daughter all the way up Meneage Street staring at them and making them feel uncomfortable to the point where they felt as though they had to turn off in to the Surgery and wait for him to pass. He didnt and followed them in to the surgery stood in the doorway looked at them and then left. He creeped them out.

He also stopped my Other daughter coming up Meneage Street on the way to school and Cornered her and started smiling 'weirdly' while flicking his tooth with his tongue.

This is unacceptable behaviour and we will be reporting it but needless to say that they dont like walking down Meneage Street much these days....
Yes, Im sure he is harmless, However the man in question followed my Wife and 12 year old Daughter all the way up Meneage Street staring at them and making them feel uncomfortable to the point where they felt as though they had to turn off in to the Surgery and wait for him to pass. He didnt and followed them in to the surgery stood in the doorway looked at them and then left. He creeped them out. He also stopped my Other daughter coming up Meneage Street on the way to school and Cornered her and started smiling 'weirdly' while flicking his tooth with his tongue. This is unacceptable behaviour and we will be reporting it but needless to say that they dont like walking down Meneage Street much these days.... Ant'ny
  • Score: -2

10:03pm Mon 26 May 14

Levener says...

Amazing how quickly something seems to become a witch hunt.
Hopefully if he is known to social services they will work with the police to address the problem.

Ant'ny, you didn't think to report these incidents at the time !
Amazing how quickly something seems to become a witch hunt. Hopefully if he is known to social services they will work with the police to address the problem. Ant'ny, you didn't think to report these incidents at the time ! Levener
  • Score: 5

10:05pm Mon 26 May 14

Levener says...

Ant'ny, Helston Girl, do you know if you are talking about the same person?
Ant'ny, Helston Girl, do you know if you are talking about the same person? Levener
  • Score: 4

10:07pm Mon 26 May 14

Ant'ny says...

Firstly, Its not a witch hunt, its just what happened. Secondly We will be reporting this at our earliest convenience.
Firstly, Its not a witch hunt, its just what happened. Secondly We will be reporting this at our earliest convenience. Ant'ny
  • Score: -7

10:08pm Mon 26 May 14

Ant'ny says...

The kids locally know him as the 50p man....

Im pretty sure its the same fella.
The kids locally know him as the 50p man.... Im pretty sure its the same fella. Ant'ny
  • Score: 3

10:20pm Mon 26 May 14

meerkats says...

Ant'ny wrote:
Firstly, Its not a witch hunt, its just what happened. Secondly We will be reporting this at our earliest convenience.
If your wife was that creeped out as you put it by this guy, then shouldnt she have reported it straight away.? I have seen a man ,and he has approached people including my Husband and asked for £1 , but just walks away quietly if they say no . He needs help and hopefully will get some support from Social Services or a relevant team if they are made aware. I agree with Leveners comment re a witch hunt .
[quote][p][bold]Ant'ny[/bold] wrote: Firstly, Its not a witch hunt, its just what happened. Secondly We will be reporting this at our earliest convenience.[/p][/quote]If your wife was that creeped out as you put it by this guy, then shouldnt she have reported it straight away.? I have seen a man ,and he has approached people including my Husband and asked for £1 , but just walks away quietly if they say no . He needs help and hopefully will get some support from Social Services or a relevant team if they are made aware. I agree with Leveners comment re a witch hunt . meerkats
  • Score: 8

10:34pm Mon 26 May 14

Ant'ny says...

Oh so thats the way it is, is it?
You have your experience of how you believe things are and thats that. Good for you.

I was adding our experience to comments that others have written.

I realise now that I should have just put "No he's perfectly fine, I give him a shilling a day and he says Gawd bless ya Guv'nor"

To whom should she have reported it to, straight away? what procedure should she have used with a closed station and no actual crime committed. Unless he actually does something threatening or criminal theres nothing that can be done anyway unless he breaches the peace.

Doesnt stop the whole situation from being deeply uncomfortable.

Anyway, the next time a stranger corners my daughter, I'll just blow it off as a harmless man and wont think twice about it.

All the best
Oh so thats the way it is, is it? You have your experience of how you believe things are and thats that. Good for you. I was adding our experience to comments that others have written. I realise now that I should have just put "No he's perfectly fine, I give him a shilling a day and he says Gawd bless ya Guv'nor" To whom should she have reported it to, straight away? what procedure should she have used with a closed station and no actual crime committed. Unless he actually does something threatening or criminal theres nothing that can be done anyway unless he breaches the peace. Doesnt stop the whole situation from being deeply uncomfortable. Anyway, the next time a stranger corners my daughter, I'll just blow it off as a harmless man and wont think twice about it. All the best Ant'ny
  • Score: -6

10:47pm Mon 26 May 14

meerkats says...

Ant'ny wrote:
Oh so thats the way it is, is it?
You have your experience of how you believe things are and thats that. Good for you.

I was adding our experience to comments that others have written.

I realise now that I should have just put "No he's perfectly fine, I give him a shilling a day and he says Gawd bless ya Guv'nor"

To whom should she have reported it to, straight away? what procedure should she have used with a closed station and no actual crime committed. Unless he actually does something threatening or criminal theres nothing that can be done anyway unless he breaches the peace.

Doesnt stop the whole situation from being deeply uncomfortable.

Anyway, the next time a stranger corners my daughter, I'll just blow it off as a harmless man and wont think twice about it.

All the best
Like you i was merely adding a comment,
[quote][p][bold]Ant'ny[/bold] wrote: Oh so thats the way it is, is it? You have your experience of how you believe things are and thats that. Good for you. I was adding our experience to comments that others have written. I realise now that I should have just put "No he's perfectly fine, I give him a shilling a day and he says Gawd bless ya Guv'nor" To whom should she have reported it to, straight away? what procedure should she have used with a closed station and no actual crime committed. Unless he actually does something threatening or criminal theres nothing that can be done anyway unless he breaches the peace. Doesnt stop the whole situation from being deeply uncomfortable. Anyway, the next time a stranger corners my daughter, I'll just blow it off as a harmless man and wont think twice about it. All the best[/p][/quote]Like you i was merely adding a comment, meerkats
  • Score: 7

11:14pm Mon 26 May 14

krazyitchkatie says...

The poor man apparently had a breakdown after his wife left him and is now an alcoholic (*second hand information) and so would require help and our understanding, not criminalising.
He lives on his own in a block of four flats where a family member does visit him occasionally but he is very lonely it would seem.
The poor man apparently had a breakdown after his wife left him and is now an alcoholic (*second hand information) and so would require help and our understanding, not criminalising. He lives on his own in a block of four flats where a family member does visit him occasionally but he is very lonely it would seem. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 8

9:46am Tue 27 May 14

meerkats says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
The poor man apparently had a breakdown after his wife left him and is now an alcoholic (*second hand information) and so would require help and our understanding, not criminalising.
He lives on his own in a block of four flats where a family member does visit him occasionally but he is very lonely it would seem.
A very sad situation .
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: The poor man apparently had a breakdown after his wife left him and is now an alcoholic (*second hand information) and so would require help and our understanding, not criminalising. He lives on his own in a block of four flats where a family member does visit him occasionally but he is very lonely it would seem.[/p][/quote]A very sad situation . meerkats
  • Score: 4

10:25am Tue 27 May 14

Helston Girl says...

I don't believe that the Police will do anything to help this man. Calling them to report every instance will simply be a waste of their time, and ours. (And he lives in a block of seven flats and is rarely visited by anyone). A very sad situation.
I don't believe that the Police will do anything to help this man. Calling them to report every instance will simply be a waste of their time, and ours. (And he lives in a block of seven flats and is rarely visited by anyone). A very sad situation. Helston Girl
  • Score: -13

2:58pm Tue 27 May 14

telstar1962 says...

Please explain how giving money to an alleged alcoholic helps anyone
As I do, just say NO.
Please explain how giving money to an alleged alcoholic helps anyone As I do, just say NO. telstar1962
  • Score: -5

3:05pm Tue 27 May 14

krazyitchkatie says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Please explain how giving money to an alleged alcoholic helps anyone
As I do, just say NO.
I am sympathetic to him but never give him money. He lives in a nice flat and the implied situation is that his 'pocket money' is restricted to stop him buying booze, hence he asks anyone and everyone for a quid.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Please explain how giving money to an alleged alcoholic helps anyone As I do, just say NO.[/p][/quote]I am sympathetic to him but never give him money. He lives in a nice flat and the implied situation is that his 'pocket money' is restricted to stop him buying booze, hence he asks anyone and everyone for a quid. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 4

5:08pm Tue 27 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Please explain how giving money to an alleged alcoholic helps anyone
As I do, just say NO.
Giving money to an alcoholic possibly may not help, depending on the individual circumstances. How do you know if an alcoholic has not spent their available money on drink but then really needs money to eat, letting them starve is not going to help. They may not think rationally, as you or I might.

However, my previous posts are based on general principle. There are many people living on the street, or indeed are just in the street, that are not alcoholics, they ask for money to enable themselves to buy food, a tea, coffee etc. I even had someone ask for 20p in Falmouth, once, to enable them access to the toilet, I was happy to oblige. I never pay any attention to rumour or speculation by others, because as has occurred on this page, there are already discrepancies as to the gentlemans situation. I make my own decisions at any given situation, based on common sense. I do not however play judge on anyone.

The point of my previous post was, I believe it is no more unnaceptable to ask for help financially on the street than it is to ask for money within a Church, everyone has the option of giving or declining.

I would think this gentleman needs help not criminalising, and if he is not getting that help, then the relevant authorities for health and wellbeing are clearly letting him down.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Please explain how giving money to an alleged alcoholic helps anyone As I do, just say NO.[/p][/quote]Giving money to an alcoholic possibly may not help, depending on the individual circumstances. How do you know if an alcoholic has not spent their available money on drink but then really needs money to eat, letting them starve is not going to help. They may not think rationally, as you or I might. However, my previous posts are based on general principle. There are many people living on the street, or indeed are just in the street, that are not alcoholics, they ask for money to enable themselves to buy food, a tea, coffee etc. I even had someone ask for 20p in Falmouth, once, to enable them access to the toilet, I was happy to oblige. I never pay any attention to rumour or speculation by others, because as has occurred on this page, there are already discrepancies as to the gentlemans situation. I make my own decisions at any given situation, based on common sense. I do not however play judge on anyone. The point of my previous post was, I believe it is no more unnaceptable to ask for help financially on the street than it is to ask for money within a Church, everyone has the option of giving or declining. I would think this gentleman needs help not criminalising, and if he is not getting that help, then the relevant authorities for health and wellbeing are clearly letting him down. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 6

8:33pm Wed 28 May 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Please explain how giving money to an alleged alcoholic helps anyone
As I do, just say NO.
Be interested to know if you are male or female. I live in Helston and have seen more women give than men.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Please explain how giving money to an alleged alcoholic helps anyone As I do, just say NO.[/p][/quote]Be interested to know if you are male or female. I live in Helston and have seen more women give than men. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 2

9:07pm Wed 28 May 14

telstar1962 says...

Putting your money into a velvet bag in a Church senario or being politely asked if you would 'lend' a stranger on the High St. a pound, is not in my view,the same.

My understanding is that in the UK it is illegal to beg.
Whether one gives or not,is a matter of choice.

Sending a plate/bowl/bag around the Church congregation is not illegal.
Whethet on gives or not,is a matter of choice
Putting your money into a velvet bag in a Church senario or being politely asked if you would 'lend' a stranger on the High St. a pound, is not in my view,the same. My understanding is that in the UK it is illegal to beg. Whether one gives or not,is a matter of choice. Sending a plate/bowl/bag around the Church congregation is not illegal. Whethet on gives or not,is a matter of choice telstar1962
  • Score: 3

1:01pm Thu 29 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Putting your money into a velvet bag in a Church senario or being politely asked if you would 'lend' a stranger on the High St. a pound, is not in my view,the same.

My understanding is that in the UK it is illegal to beg.
Whether one gives or not,is a matter of choice.

Sending a plate/bowl/bag around the Church congregation is not illegal.
Whethet on gives or not,is a matter of choice
You are of course right about the legalities, however, I think some of the morality of it is wrong.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Putting your money into a velvet bag in a Church senario or being politely asked if you would 'lend' a stranger on the High St. a pound, is not in my view,the same. My understanding is that in the UK it is illegal to beg. Whether one gives or not,is a matter of choice. Sending a plate/bowl/bag around the Church congregation is not illegal. Whethet on gives or not,is a matter of choice[/p][/quote]You are of course right about the legalities, however, I think some of the morality of it is wrong. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 1

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