There could be an answer for Helston most infamous lane

Falmouth Packet: Could there be an answer for Helston most infamous lane Could there be an answer for Helston most infamous lane

Could there be some movement on what is fast becoming Helston’s most infamous stretch of tarmac, Peacock’s Lane?

Each month the state of the lane, left, is brought to the attention of members of the town council, but the point remains moot as no owner can be found for the middle section.

The council has been given legal advice warning against organising or contributing to the cost of the repairs, as the work would technically be carried out without the owner’s consent and a duty of care would be carried over.

A bid from one councillor, John Martin, to stake a claim on the land in the hope of drawing the actual owner out, has also proved fruitless – although Mr Martin told members this month that he had a flag ready.

Town centre regeneration officer Martin Searle has attempted to obtain funding from the adjoining landowners, but so far just £300 has been offered towards the £3,400 estimated cost of repairs, with many reluctant to contribute for fear of taking on liability.

However, at the most recent meeting of the town council, Mr Searle suggested there could be a way to proceed if members were happy to take on “some level of responsibility” for the upkeep.

He said: “Given that this has council has taken on responsibility for various assets, I wonder if that’s such a bad thing, taking on responsibility for a relatively short section of tarmac path.”

Mr Searle said if this was to happen he believed the work could be done “in a relatively short time.”

The Public Realm Project Board, which is considering ways to spend the £250,000 “supermarket cash” on town centre improvements, put pressure on the council to pursue the matter when they last met. The board believes there must be a legal mechanism allowing local authorities faced with such a problem to carry out the work on the grounds of public safety by putting out appropriate notices.

Mr Searle is in the process of following this up with Cornwall Council officers.

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3:08pm Fri 30 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

£3,400, for goodness sake, out of £250, 000, get on and Tarmac it.
A council has every right to do so if it poses a danger to the public and the owner cannot be traced.

How about change their legal advisors to Baker and McKenzie.
£3,400, for goodness sake, out of £250, 000, get on and Tarmac it. A council has every right to do so if it poses a danger to the public and the owner cannot be traced. How about change their legal advisors to Baker and McKenzie. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 11

7:04pm Fri 30 May 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Wondering do we realy need extra level of rejuvenation. Seem to of managed very well without out it till now.
Your our elected council with funds available so get on with it.
Wondering do we realy need extra level of rejuvenation. Seem to of managed very well without out it till now. Your our elected council with funds available so get on with it. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 4

8:55am Sat 31 May 14

telstar1962 says...

I'm sure the Town Council are entitled to carry on and tarmac the road.
They then should have a Legal Form of Indemnity drawn up by a Solicitor,backed by a specially tailored Insurance Policy, all for a modest fee for a couple of hours work by a reputable Solicitor,and a small Insurance Premium
I'm sure the Town Council are entitled to carry on and tarmac the road. They then should have a Legal Form of Indemnity drawn up by a Solicitor,backed by a specially tailored Insurance Policy, all for a modest fee for a couple of hours work by a reputable Solicitor,and a small Insurance Premium telstar1962
  • Score: -5

9:29am Sat 31 May 14

ronedgcumbe says...

telstar1962 wrote:
I'm sure the Town Council are entitled to carry on and tarmac the road.
They then should have a Legal Form of Indemnity drawn up by a Solicitor,backed by a specially tailored Insurance Policy, all for a modest fee for a couple of hours work by a reputable Solicitor,and a small Insurance Premium
Or we could have a meeting to decide whether we should have a committee to form a board to decide on absolutely nothing.
What on earth is the public realm project board. The situation in Helston is verging on ridiculous. Just tarmac the lane for heaven's sake.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: I'm sure the Town Council are entitled to carry on and tarmac the road. They then should have a Legal Form of Indemnity drawn up by a Solicitor,backed by a specially tailored Insurance Policy, all for a modest fee for a couple of hours work by a reputable Solicitor,and a small Insurance Premium[/p][/quote]Or we could have a meeting to decide whether we should have a committee to form a board to decide on absolutely nothing. What on earth is the public realm project board. The situation in Helston is verging on ridiculous. Just tarmac the lane for heaven's sake. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 10

3:53pm Sat 31 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
telstar1962 wrote:
I'm sure the Town Council are entitled to carry on and tarmac the road.
They then should have a Legal Form of Indemnity drawn up by a Solicitor,backed by a specially tailored Insurance Policy, all for a modest fee for a couple of hours work by a reputable Solicitor,and a small Insurance Premium
Or we could have a meeting to decide whether we should have a committee to form a board to decide on absolutely nothing.
What on earth is the public realm project board. The situation in Helston is verging on ridiculous. Just tarmac the lane for heaven's sake.
I agree Ron. Since I originally looked at the town council website, they have gained, as paid staff, an administrative assistant, a project manager assistant and Mr Searle, regeneration officer, that was since the two former town managers in succession. A public realm project board then evolved, not forgetting all the perfectly capable Helston Town Councillors, and of course there is additionally the HBIP.
It is the Town Council Amenities Committee that appear to be organising the new signage for the town, they do not want the town logo on the signs and whether or not one likes or agrees with the logo that the HBIP wanted, it was the town council that paid five thousand pounds for it.
No one now seems inclined to put into place the provisions to enable the town council to Tarmac a short lane for a relatively small price. £3,400.
Once Tarmac has been laid, it would likely last a very long time, as it is only a footpath with no vehicular access.
Whatever it takes to do this legally, I personally would get on and do it.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: I'm sure the Town Council are entitled to carry on and tarmac the road. They then should have a Legal Form of Indemnity drawn up by a Solicitor,backed by a specially tailored Insurance Policy, all for a modest fee for a couple of hours work by a reputable Solicitor,and a small Insurance Premium[/p][/quote]Or we could have a meeting to decide whether we should have a committee to form a board to decide on absolutely nothing. What on earth is the public realm project board. The situation in Helston is verging on ridiculous. Just tarmac the lane for heaven's sake.[/p][/quote]I agree Ron. Since I originally looked at the town council website, they have gained, as paid staff, an administrative assistant, a project manager assistant and Mr Searle, regeneration officer, that was since the two former town managers in succession. A public realm project board then evolved, not forgetting all the perfectly capable Helston Town Councillors, and of course there is additionally the HBIP. It is the Town Council Amenities Committee that appear to be organising the new signage for the town, they do not want the town logo on the signs and whether or not one likes or agrees with the logo that the HBIP wanted, it was the town council that paid five thousand pounds for it. No one now seems inclined to put into place the provisions to enable the town council to Tarmac a short lane for a relatively small price. £3,400. Once Tarmac has been laid, it would likely last a very long time, as it is only a footpath with no vehicular access. Whatever it takes to do this legally, I personally would get on and do it. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 8

5:09pm Sat 31 May 14

ronedgcumbe says...

To be honest its farcical and undermines local government if our elected officials cannot even take a decision as simple as this.
There needs to be a review on town council employees and spending and a return to a responsible budget increase.
To be honest its farcical and undermines local government if our elected officials cannot even take a decision as simple as this. There needs to be a review on town council employees and spending and a return to a responsible budget increase. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 2

6:45pm Sat 31 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
To be honest its farcical and undermines local government if our elected officials cannot even take a decision as simple as this.
There needs to be a review on town council employees and spending and a return to a responsible budget increase.
I think this is a problem that arises from having various people in charge and various groups, all aiming to run basically the same thing, or achieve similar things. Each person is probably quite capable in their own field of expertise, but problems arise when trying to coordinate with other groups or members. Personally, the council having employed a regeneration officer, I would have expected him to get on with it on his own and just liaise with the councillors, the existing project manager assistant, with maybe one or two public consultations, not however, endless consultations, meetings and the development of a whole project board.
Even Mullion managed to install some benches, signage and a bus shelter, the bus shelter may be useless in the rain and a picnic bench is positioned in the park
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: To be honest its farcical and undermines local government if our elected officials cannot even take a decision as simple as this. There needs to be a review on town council employees and spending and a return to a responsible budget increase.[/p][/quote]I think this is a problem that arises from having various people in charge and various groups, all aiming to run basically the same thing, or achieve similar things. Each person is probably quite capable in their own field of expertise, but problems arise when trying to coordinate with other groups or members. Personally, the council having employed a regeneration officer, I would have expected him to get on with it on his own and just liaise with the councillors, the existing project manager assistant, with maybe one or two public consultations, not however, endless consultations, meetings and the development of a whole project board. Even Mullion managed to install some benches, signage and a bus shelter, the bus shelter may be useless in the rain and a picnic bench is positioned in the park Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 8

6:59pm Sat 31 May 14

Gill Z Martin says...

My last post came up error when posting, it omitted the end of the post.

It should have said, Even Mullion managed to install some benches, signage and a bus shelter, the bus shelter may be useless in the rain and a picnic bench in the park is at present, positioned virtually under a basketball net, so one gets repeatedly hit on the head by a ball when sitting on the bench, however, looking on the bright side, they did not need to employ lots of extra staff to arrange these things.
My last post came up error when posting, it omitted the end of the post. It should have said, Even Mullion managed to install some benches, signage and a bus shelter, the bus shelter may be useless in the rain and a picnic bench in the park is at present, positioned virtually under a basketball net, so one gets repeatedly hit on the head by a ball when sitting on the bench, however, looking on the bright side, they did not need to employ lots of extra staff to arrange these things. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 8

9:16pm Sat 31 May 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
telstar1962 wrote:
I'm sure the Town Council are entitled to carry on and tarmac the road.
They then should have a Legal Form of Indemnity drawn up by a Solicitor,backed by a specially tailored Insurance Policy, all for a modest fee for a couple of hours work by a reputable Solicitor,and a small Insurance Premium
Or we could have a meeting to decide whether we should have a committee to form a board to decide on absolutely nothing.
What on earth is the public realm project board. The situation in Helston is verging on ridiculous. Just tarmac the lane for heaven's sake.
Lol, agree. They have had loads of time to sort this out. I haven't seen anything done here in Helston that I think the town council or BIP couldn't have done themselves. How do other towns in Cornwall manage to get things done without a regeneration officer and ever expanding team. I know Helston got a lot of money to deal with but you wouldn't think so, to look round our town and see what hasn't been done over the last few years.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: I'm sure the Town Council are entitled to carry on and tarmac the road. They then should have a Legal Form of Indemnity drawn up by a Solicitor,backed by a specially tailored Insurance Policy, all for a modest fee for a couple of hours work by a reputable Solicitor,and a small Insurance Premium[/p][/quote]Or we could have a meeting to decide whether we should have a committee to form a board to decide on absolutely nothing. What on earth is the public realm project board. The situation in Helston is verging on ridiculous. Just tarmac the lane for heaven's sake.[/p][/quote]Lol, agree. They have had loads of time to sort this out. I haven't seen anything done here in Helston that I think the town council or BIP couldn't have done themselves. How do other towns in Cornwall manage to get things done without a regeneration officer and ever expanding team. I know Helston got a lot of money to deal with but you wouldn't think so, to look round our town and see what hasn't been done over the last few years. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 7

2:37pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Does anyone know, is there any truth in the rumour that Mr Searle might be kept on longer after his initial contract runs out? If so where's the money for the wages coming from?
Does anyone know, is there any truth in the rumour that Mr Searle might be kept on longer after his initial contract runs out? If so where's the money for the wages coming from? Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 0

8:44am Mon 2 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
To be honest its farcical and undermines local government if our elected officials cannot even take a decision as simple as this.
There needs to be a review on town council employees and spending and a return to a responsible budget increase.
I agree.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: To be honest its farcical and undermines local government if our elected officials cannot even take a decision as simple as this. There needs to be a review on town council employees and spending and a return to a responsible budget increase.[/p][/quote]I agree. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 0

8:45am Mon 2 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Does anyone know, is there any truth in the rumour that Mr Searle might be kept on longer after his initial contract runs out? If so where's the money for the wages coming from?
Only if he succeeds in making his role self funding somehow?
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know, is there any truth in the rumour that Mr Searle might be kept on longer after his initial contract runs out? If so where's the money for the wages coming from?[/p][/quote]Only if he succeeds in making his role self funding somehow? krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 0

9:29am Mon 2 Jun 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Does anyone know, is there any truth in the rumour that Mr Searle might be kept on longer after his initial contract runs out? If so where's the money for the wages coming from?
Only if he succeeds in making his role self funding somehow?
Not much chance of that happening. He could drag out the projects and ask for a time extension on the money spending to enable his job to continue. If he is kept on, I shall be asking whose paying if the council tax goes up again next year above inflation in Helston.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know, is there any truth in the rumour that Mr Searle might be kept on longer after his initial contract runs out? If so where's the money for the wages coming from?[/p][/quote]Only if he succeeds in making his role self funding somehow?[/p][/quote]Not much chance of that happening. He could drag out the projects and ask for a time extension on the money spending to enable his job to continue. If he is kept on, I shall be asking whose paying if the council tax goes up again next year above inflation in Helston. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 7

9:34am Thu 5 Jun 14

Helston Observer says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
To be honest its farcical and undermines local government if our elected officials cannot even take a decision as simple as this.
There needs to be a review on town council employees and spending and a return to a responsible budget increase.
For the first time, I have to agree with Ron, what a load of pointless red tape, just get on and do the job! The mayor needs to take a lead on this.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: To be honest its farcical and undermines local government if our elected officials cannot even take a decision as simple as this. There needs to be a review on town council employees and spending and a return to a responsible budget increase.[/p][/quote]For the first time, I have to agree with Ron, what a load of pointless red tape, just get on and do the job! The mayor needs to take a lead on this. Helston Observer
  • Score: 5

1:56pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Lol, that is really funny.
Lol, that is really funny. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 5

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