Helston BIP appoint new town team

Helston BID appoint new town team

Helston BID appoint new town team

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Helston Business Improvement Partnership (HBIP) has appointed its new Town Team, with Chris Ring replacing Andy Perry as chairperson.

Wendy Radford-Gaby is the new vice-chair in place of Darren Parish, and Andrew Ferrie continues as treasurer and secretary, while Shirley Moralee remains as BID development officer.

HBIP is an organisation which aims to act as a voice for the business community, provide a positive experience for visitors and support independent local businesses.

The outgoing committee were named Town Team of the Year at the Association of Town and City Management (ATCM) awards ceremony, beating off competition from two towns which had garnered support from retail advisor Mary Portas.

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3:44pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Helston John says...

Exactly how much further forward are we to becoming a business improvement district then? A bid development officer,,,, another highfalutin name.
They need a treasurer??? Is there actually any money left then? Or will they be asking for more money from our council? Or have they actually self generated some income? Ha Ha.
What are all these people doing on the bip website, like MP Andrew George and Cllr. Wallis, where do they all fit into the agenda? Do they actually do anything related to the business improvement partnership, or are they just sleeping partners?
Exactly how much further forward are we to becoming a business improvement district then? A bid development officer,,,, another highfalutin name. They need a treasurer??? Is there actually any money left then? Or will they be asking for more money from our council? Or have they actually self generated some income? Ha Ha. What are all these people doing on the bip website, like MP Andrew George and Cllr. Wallis, where do they all fit into the agenda? Do they actually do anything related to the business improvement partnership, or are they just sleeping partners? Helston John
  • Score: 33

3:53pm Wed 11 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Helston John wrote:
Exactly how much further forward are we to becoming a business improvement district then? A bid development officer,,,, another highfalutin name.
They need a treasurer??? Is there actually any money left then? Or will they be asking for more money from our council? Or have they actually self generated some income? Ha Ha.
What are all these people doing on the bip website, like MP Andrew George and Cllr. Wallis, where do they all fit into the agenda? Do they actually do anything related to the business improvement partnership, or are they just sleeping partners?
Email and ask if you want specifics.
Any recognised group dealing with monies requires a treasurer and Andrew, thankfully, is an excellent one, keeping tabs and making sure everything's accounted for.
The bip (BUSINESS partnership) has to cover a wide range of genres - tourism, marketing, leisure etcetc so a variety of people are necessary and welcomed to help with varying experience and expertise.
But yes, some of the small projects are self supporting such as the hanging baskets, run by volunteers for the businesses to improve the town aesthetic for everyone.
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: Exactly how much further forward are we to becoming a business improvement district then? A bid development officer,,,, another highfalutin name. They need a treasurer??? Is there actually any money left then? Or will they be asking for more money from our council? Or have they actually self generated some income? Ha Ha. What are all these people doing on the bip website, like MP Andrew George and Cllr. Wallis, where do they all fit into the agenda? Do they actually do anything related to the business improvement partnership, or are they just sleeping partners?[/p][/quote]Email and ask if you want specifics. Any recognised group dealing with monies requires a treasurer and Andrew, thankfully, is an excellent one, keeping tabs and making sure everything's accounted for. The bip (BUSINESS partnership) has to cover a wide range of genres - tourism, marketing, leisure etcetc so a variety of people are necessary and welcomed to help with varying experience and expertise. But yes, some of the small projects are self supporting such as the hanging baskets, run by volunteers for the businesses to improve the town aesthetic for everyone. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: -16

11:23am Thu 12 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

My comment is a simple question:

How close is Helston to becoming a Business Improvement District ?

I'm sure there must be an expert on this topic who is willing to provide some insight for Packet readers ?
My comment is a simple question: How close is Helston to becoming a Business Improvement District ? I'm sure there must be an expert on this topic who is willing to provide some insight for Packet readers ? telstar1962
  • Score: 11

11:25am Thu 12 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Well the expert on that question would be Shirley, so it would be best to ask her.
Well the expert on that question would be Shirley, so it would be best to ask her. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 15

11:45am Thu 12 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

Hello Shirley
How close is Helston to becoming a Business Improvement District ?
Look forward to your early response
Thank-you
telstar1962
Hello Shirley How close is Helston to becoming a Business Improvement District ? Look forward to your early response Thank-you telstar1962 telstar1962
  • Score: -14

11:49am Thu 12 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Ah, so you're not serious in getting a response?
Ah, so you're not serious in getting a response? krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 17

12:08pm Thu 12 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

telstar1962 wrote:
My comment is a simple question:

How close is Helston to becoming a Business Improvement District ?

I'm sure there must be an expert on this topic who is willing to provide some insight for Packet readers ?
Hopefully nowhere near. Increasing business rates would be disastrous in attracting retailers into the town centre.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: My comment is a simple question: How close is Helston to becoming a Business Improvement District ? I'm sure there must be an expert on this topic who is willing to provide some insight for Packet readers ?[/p][/quote]Hopefully nowhere near. Increasing business rates would be disastrous in attracting retailers into the town centre. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -13

12:12pm Thu 12 Jun 14

helztonboy says...

the final decision has to lie with the business owners, they will get an opportunity to vote.
the final decision has to lie with the business owners, they will get an opportunity to vote. helztonboy
  • Score: -27

12:43pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Helston John says...

helztonboy wrote:
the final decision has to lie with the business owners, they will get an opportunity to vote.
The decision should have been made by the business owners before the council paid out for BID development officer. It only needs a certain percentage of agreement by businesses. To waste money on an officer with the chance of the businesses disagreeing at the end, would be preposterous.
[quote][p][bold]helztonboy[/bold] wrote: the final decision has to lie with the business owners, they will get an opportunity to vote.[/p][/quote]The decision should have been made by the business owners before the council paid out for BID development officer. It only needs a certain percentage of agreement by businesses. To waste money on an officer with the chance of the businesses disagreeing at the end, would be preposterous. Helston John
  • Score: 26

12:50pm Thu 12 Jun 14

helztonboy says...

From http://www.britishbi
ds.info

"BID development and the ballot
Ballot

A BID can only be formed following consultation and a ballot in which businesses vote on a BID Proposal or business plan for the area.
The ballot is run by the local authority or outsourced by the local authority to a third party.
All businesses eligible to pay the levy are balloted.
In the UK, for a BID to go ahead the ballot must be won on two counts: straight majority and majority of rateable value. This ensures that the interests of large and small businesses are protected."

If a consultation and proposal are required before a ballot then a BID Development officer seems the sensible way forward
From http://www.britishbi ds.info "BID development and the ballot Ballot A BID can only be formed following consultation and a ballot in which businesses vote on a BID Proposal or business plan for the area. The ballot is run by the local authority or outsourced by the local authority to a third party. All businesses eligible to pay the levy are balloted. In the UK, for a BID to go ahead the ballot must be won on two counts: straight majority and majority of rateable value. This ensures that the interests of large and small businesses are protected." If a consultation and proposal are required before a ballot then a BID Development officer seems the sensible way forward helztonboy
  • Score: -27

12:54pm Thu 12 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

Is helztonboy Shirley?
Is helztonboy Shirley? telstar1962
  • Score: -7

12:56pm Thu 12 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Helston John wrote:
helztonboy wrote:
the final decision has to lie with the business owners, they will get an opportunity to vote.
The decision should have been made by the business owners before the council paid out for BID development officer. It only needs a certain percentage of agreement by businesses. To waste money on an officer with the chance of the businesses disagreeing at the end, would be preposterous.
I agree totally. It has always appeared to me to be a completly about faced order of things. To spend many thousands on a scheme without any knowledge of the consensus of traders is a waste of money.
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helztonboy[/bold] wrote: the final decision has to lie with the business owners, they will get an opportunity to vote.[/p][/quote]The decision should have been made by the business owners before the council paid out for BID development officer. It only needs a certain percentage of agreement by businesses. To waste money on an officer with the chance of the businesses disagreeing at the end, would be preposterous.[/p][/quote]I agree totally. It has always appeared to me to be a completly about faced order of things. To spend many thousands on a scheme without any knowledge of the consensus of traders is a waste of money. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 10

12:59pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Helston John says...

helztonboy wrote:
From http://www.britishbi

ds.info

"BID development and the ballot
Ballot

A BID can only be formed following consultation and a ballot in which businesses vote on a BID Proposal or business plan for the area.
The ballot is run by the local authority or outsourced by the local authority to a third party.
All businesses eligible to pay the levy are balloted.
In the UK, for a BID to go ahead the ballot must be won on two counts: straight majority and majority of rateable value. This ensures that the interests of large and small businesses are protected."

If a consultation and proposal are required before a ballot then a BID Development officer seems the sensible way forward
The decision/ballot should have been taken BEFORE employing an officer. The council do not need to employ an officer to demonstrate the pros and cons to the businesses. If this does not go ahead the council have wasted a huge sum of money employing an officer. Take a look at Camborne and Falmouth. All the information as to what is involved is freely available to the council and businesses, the only obligation and justification for employing an officer is to put the bid together and present it.
[quote][p][bold]helztonboy[/bold] wrote: From http://www.britishbi ds.info "BID development and the ballot Ballot A BID can only be formed following consultation and a ballot in which businesses vote on a BID Proposal or business plan for the area. The ballot is run by the local authority or outsourced by the local authority to a third party. All businesses eligible to pay the levy are balloted. In the UK, for a BID to go ahead the ballot must be won on two counts: straight majority and majority of rateable value. This ensures that the interests of large and small businesses are protected." If a consultation and proposal are required before a ballot then a BID Development officer seems the sensible way forward[/p][/quote]The decision/ballot should have been taken BEFORE employing an officer. The council do not need to employ an officer to demonstrate the pros and cons to the businesses. If this does not go ahead the council have wasted a huge sum of money employing an officer. Take a look at Camborne and Falmouth. All the information as to what is involved is freely available to the council and businesses, the only obligation and justification for employing an officer is to put the bid together and present it. Helston John
  • Score: 27

1:59pm Thu 12 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Helston John wrote:
helztonboy wrote:
the final decision has to lie with the business owners, they will get an opportunity to vote.
The decision should have been made by the business owners before the council paid out for BID development officer. It only needs a certain percentage of agreement by businesses. To waste money on an officer with the chance of the businesses disagreeing at the end, would be preposterous.
Well, it was ascertained that it was worthwhile, hence it was done. Lots of businesses are in support of bid apparently.
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helztonboy[/bold] wrote: the final decision has to lie with the business owners, they will get an opportunity to vote.[/p][/quote]The decision should have been made by the business owners before the council paid out for BID development officer. It only needs a certain percentage of agreement by businesses. To waste money on an officer with the chance of the businesses disagreeing at the end, would be preposterous.[/p][/quote]Well, it was ascertained that it was worthwhile, hence it was done. Lots of businesses are in support of bid apparently. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 7

2:31pm Thu 12 Jun 14

helztonboy says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Is helztonboy Shirley?
no !!
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Is helztonboy Shirley?[/p][/quote]no !! helztonboy
  • Score: 9

3:13pm Thu 12 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

Does Shirley read her local newspaper ?
Does Shirley read her local newspaper ? telstar1962
  • Score: -20

3:14pm Thu 12 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Does Shirley read her local newspaper ?
Guess what? You should ask Shirley... lol
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Does Shirley read her local newspaper ?[/p][/quote]Guess what? You should ask Shirley... lol krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 15

4:30pm Thu 12 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

I bet Shirley reads the West Briton !
I bet Shirley reads the West Briton ! telstar1962
  • Score: -20

5:23pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Helston John says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Helston John wrote:
helztonboy wrote:
the final decision has to lie with the business owners, they will get an opportunity to vote.
The decision should have been made by the business owners before the council paid out for BID development officer. It only needs a certain percentage of agreement by businesses. To waste money on an officer with the chance of the businesses disagreeing at the end, would be preposterous.
Well, it was ascertained that it was worthwhile, hence it was done. Lots of businesses are in support of bid apparently.
Thankyou, that is exactly what I thought, so what helztonboy is saying does not appear to match up with what you are saying.

In answer to telstar1962, I hope helztonboy is not MS Moralee because I don't think he's quite sure of what's happening. Knowing the council though, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they employed someone who wasn't sure what was happening within their own role.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helztonboy[/bold] wrote: the final decision has to lie with the business owners, they will get an opportunity to vote.[/p][/quote]The decision should have been made by the business owners before the council paid out for BID development officer. It only needs a certain percentage of agreement by businesses. To waste money on an officer with the chance of the businesses disagreeing at the end, would be preposterous.[/p][/quote]Well, it was ascertained that it was worthwhile, hence it was done. Lots of businesses are in support of bid apparently.[/p][/quote]Thankyou, that is exactly what I thought, so what helztonboy is saying does not appear to match up with what you are saying. In answer to telstar1962, I hope helztonboy is not MS Moralee because I don't think he's quite sure of what's happening. Knowing the council though, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they employed someone who wasn't sure what was happening within their own role. Helston John
  • Score: 18

6:29pm Thu 12 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Helston John wrote:
helztonboy wrote:
the final decision has to lie with the business owners, they will get an opportunity to vote.
The decision should have been made by the business owners before the council paid out for BID development officer. It only needs a certain percentage of agreement by businesses. To waste money on an officer with the chance of the businesses disagreeing at the end, would be preposterous.
Well, it was ascertained that it was worthwhile, hence it was done. Lots of businesses are in support of bid apparently.
Please explain when and how it was ascertained.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helztonboy[/bold] wrote: the final decision has to lie with the business owners, they will get an opportunity to vote.[/p][/quote]The decision should have been made by the business owners before the council paid out for BID development officer. It only needs a certain percentage of agreement by businesses. To waste money on an officer with the chance of the businesses disagreeing at the end, would be preposterous.[/p][/quote]Well, it was ascertained that it was worthwhile, hence it was done. Lots of businesses are in support of bid apparently.[/p][/quote]Please explain when and how it was ascertained. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 5

9:41pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

I am sure the newly appointed HBIP town team, will successfully continue with the good work, following on from the previous town team.
Every member of the HBIP holds a worthwhile position.
I am sure the newly appointed HBIP town team, will successfully continue with the good work, following on from the previous town team. Every member of the HBIP holds a worthwhile position. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 5

11:17pm Thu 12 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
I am sure the newly appointed HBIP town team, will successfully continue with the good work, following on from the previous town team.
Every member of the HBIP holds a worthwhile position.
Disagree I always think unelected groups spending public money is generally a bad thing. You have too remember at one time they were handing out the much needed 106 money to landlords.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: I am sure the newly appointed HBIP town team, will successfully continue with the good work, following on from the previous town team. Every member of the HBIP holds a worthwhile position.[/p][/quote]Disagree I always think unelected groups spending public money is generally a bad thing. You have too remember at one time they were handing out the much needed 106 money to landlords. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -2

6:11am Fri 13 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
I am sure the newly appointed HBIP town team, will successfully continue with the good work, following on from the previous town team.
Every member of the HBIP holds a worthwhile position.
Disagree I always think unelected groups spending public money is generally a bad thing. You have too remember at one time they were handing out the much needed 106 money to landlords.
I am not referring to the political side, and whether or not the group should exist, I am simply basing my opinion on the fact the HBIP does exist, and every member of that group holds a worthwhile position.
Whether or not I entirely agree with everything they may do or have done, does not prevent me from recognising all the good work they do and the effort put in.
Starting up and running a group is a learning curve for all those involved, and they may possibly make mistakes, however, that does not mean the overall existence and work of the group is not a good thing.
If no one had tried anything new in Helston, nothing would change.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: I am sure the newly appointed HBIP town team, will successfully continue with the good work, following on from the previous town team. Every member of the HBIP holds a worthwhile position.[/p][/quote]Disagree I always think unelected groups spending public money is generally a bad thing. You have too remember at one time they were handing out the much needed 106 money to landlords.[/p][/quote]I am not referring to the political side, and whether or not the group should exist, I am simply basing my opinion on the fact the HBIP does exist, and every member of that group holds a worthwhile position. Whether or not I entirely agree with everything they may do or have done, does not prevent me from recognising all the good work they do and the effort put in. Starting up and running a group is a learning curve for all those involved, and they may possibly make mistakes, however, that does not mean the overall existence and work of the group is not a good thing. If no one had tried anything new in Helston, nothing would change. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 6

6:40am Fri 13 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Ron, can you honestly say there is not one thing, that any HBIP member has done, that you think is good for the town?

Incidentally, it is not public money, because it is not Helston tax payers money. It is money negotiated by Cornwall Council from the supermarkets and then put into the hands of the Town Council by their negotiation.
Ron, can you honestly say there is not one thing, that any HBIP member has done, that you think is good for the town? Incidentally, it is not public money, because it is not Helston tax payers money. It is money negotiated by Cornwall Council from the supermarkets and then put into the hands of the Town Council by their negotiation. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 8

7:23am Fri 13 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

My criticism is not directed at the organisation but at the way they have spent some of the 106 money.
It was meant to be spent to offset the effects of the much needed supermarkets would have on the town centre not to employ unnecessary employees, silly logo's or simply handed out to landlords.
It is an opportunity missed that will not come again and the fact that you do not consider it public money does not alter that.
My criticism is not directed at the organisation but at the way they have spent some of the 106 money. It was meant to be spent to offset the effects of the much needed supermarkets would have on the town centre not to employ unnecessary employees, silly logo's or simply handed out to landlords. It is an opportunity missed that will not come again and the fact that you do not consider it public money does not alter that. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -6

8:00am Fri 13 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

How would you have spent the money? Perhaps maybe if you joined the HBIP or the town council, if you are able, you would have a real say in what happens.
How would you have spent the money? Perhaps maybe if you joined the HBIP or the town council, if you are able, you would have a real say in what happens. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 12

8:16am Fri 13 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

Does M/S Martin means Mr Ferrie is a Chartered Accountant and is Treasurer ?

That's just common sense

Does anyone else find it frustrating when you want a simple question to be answered, you send the relevant person an e-mail, and receive an automated e-mail reply saying they are busy, but would you like to send that query to another person in my team...

So, can anyone advise me how close Helston is to becoming a BID District ? and when it reaches that status, does Helston still need the Development Officer ?

Alternatively, I can wait until the answer appears in next weeks Packet lol
Does M/S Martin means Mr Ferrie is a Chartered Accountant and is Treasurer ? That's just common sense Does anyone else find it frustrating when you want a simple question to be answered, you send the relevant person an e-mail, and receive an automated e-mail reply saying they are busy, but would you like to send that query to another person in my team... So, can anyone advise me how close Helston is to becoming a BID District ? and when it reaches that status, does Helston still need the Development Officer ? Alternatively, I can wait until the answer appears in next weeks Packet lol telstar1962
  • Score: -11

9:01am Fri 13 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Does anyone else think it's ridiculous asking specific questions on an open transient forum on the internet and expecting the right person to see their question?

Ron, I can't answer your question specifically because I wasn't around when said research was done but I believe at least a survey was carried out among business owners.

Also, the bip doesnt just hand out money willy nilly. It can't. All the ideas and project groups had to apply for budget for each instance from the council, the council then chose/agreed which would receive money and how much. The council decided that a project to help improve the aesthetic of the buildings (i.e. shopfronts) was a beneficial use of the money - it prompted a period of renovation by providing a small amount of money (in the grand scheme of things) to a building owner as long as they spent the equivalent or more of their own cash. And I think it worked personally - the improvement was quite dramatic when you look at before and after pics.
Does anyone else think it's ridiculous asking specific questions on an open transient forum on the internet and expecting the right person to see their question? Ron, I can't answer your question specifically because I wasn't around when said research was done but I believe at least a survey was carried out among business owners. Also, the bip doesnt just hand out money willy nilly. It can't. All the ideas and project groups had to apply for budget for each instance from the council, the council then chose/agreed which would receive money and how much. The council decided that a project to help improve the aesthetic of the buildings (i.e. shopfronts) was a beneficial use of the money - it prompted a period of renovation by providing a small amount of money (in the grand scheme of things) to a building owner as long as they spent the equivalent or more of their own cash. And I think it worked personally - the improvement was quite dramatic when you look at before and after pics. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 11

5:04pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Helston John says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Does M/S Martin means Mr Ferrie is a Chartered Accountant and is Treasurer ?

That's just common sense

Does anyone else find it frustrating when you want a simple question to be answered, you send the relevant person an e-mail, and receive an automated e-mail reply saying they are busy, but would you like to send that query to another person in my team...

So, can anyone advise me how close Helston is to becoming a BID District ? and when it reaches that status, does Helston still need the Development Officer ?

Alternatively, I can wait until the answer appears in next weeks Packet lol
Telstar1962, What do you mean by "Does M/S Martin mean Mr Ferrie is a Chartered Accountant and is Treasurer? That's just common sense." I can't make head nor tail of that. Can anyone else?

Never been passed round a team, with an email, if someone in a team is busy why don't they just answer your email when theyre are not busy, not much point having an email address to contact otherwise is there?
Sounds like they're passing the buck to me.

Gill, you say every member of the bip holds a worthwhile position, do you mean a worthwhile position in the bip or outside of the bip? Even Cllr. Wallis and MP Andrew George?
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Does M/S Martin means Mr Ferrie is a Chartered Accountant and is Treasurer ? That's just common sense Does anyone else find it frustrating when you want a simple question to be answered, you send the relevant person an e-mail, and receive an automated e-mail reply saying they are busy, but would you like to send that query to another person in my team... So, can anyone advise me how close Helston is to becoming a BID District ? and when it reaches that status, does Helston still need the Development Officer ? Alternatively, I can wait until the answer appears in next weeks Packet lol[/p][/quote]Telstar1962, What do you mean by "Does M/S Martin mean Mr Ferrie is a Chartered Accountant and is Treasurer? That's just common sense." I can't make head nor tail of that. Can anyone else? Never been passed round a team, with an email, if someone in a team is busy why don't they just answer your email when theyre are not busy, not much point having an email address to contact otherwise is there? Sounds like they're passing the buck to me. Gill, you say every member of the bip holds a worthwhile position, do you mean a worthwhile position in the bip or outside of the bip? Even Cllr. Wallis and MP Andrew George? Helston John
  • Score: 11

8:12pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Helston John wrote:
telstar1962 wrote:
Does M/S Martin means Mr Ferrie is a Chartered Accountant and is Treasurer ?

That's just common sense

Does anyone else find it frustrating when you want a simple question to be answered, you send the relevant person an e-mail, and receive an automated e-mail reply saying they are busy, but would you like to send that query to another person in my team...

So, can anyone advise me how close Helston is to becoming a BID District ? and when it reaches that status, does Helston still need the Development Officer ?

Alternatively, I can wait until the answer appears in next weeks Packet lol
Telstar1962, What do you mean by "Does M/S Martin mean Mr Ferrie is a Chartered Accountant and is Treasurer? That's just common sense." I can't make head nor tail of that. Can anyone else?

Never been passed round a team, with an email, if someone in a team is busy why don't they just answer your email when theyre are not busy, not much point having an email address to contact otherwise is there?
Sounds like they're passing the buck to me.

Gill, you say every member of the bip holds a worthwhile position, do you mean a worthwhile position in the bip or outside of the bip? Even Cllr. Wallis and MP Andrew George?
In answer to your questions, I was actually referring to their positions as members within the HBIP, however, perspicacity tells me they all additionally hold worthwhile positions outside of the HBIP. Yes, I was including MP Andrew George and Councillor Andrew Wallis.
I personally would not vote for MP Andrew George but that is not to say the actual position he holds is not worthwhile.
I would have thought the more members the HBIP has, the better.
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Does M/S Martin means Mr Ferrie is a Chartered Accountant and is Treasurer ? That's just common sense Does anyone else find it frustrating when you want a simple question to be answered, you send the relevant person an e-mail, and receive an automated e-mail reply saying they are busy, but would you like to send that query to another person in my team... So, can anyone advise me how close Helston is to becoming a BID District ? and when it reaches that status, does Helston still need the Development Officer ? Alternatively, I can wait until the answer appears in next weeks Packet lol[/p][/quote]Telstar1962, What do you mean by "Does M/S Martin mean Mr Ferrie is a Chartered Accountant and is Treasurer? That's just common sense." I can't make head nor tail of that. Can anyone else? Never been passed round a team, with an email, if someone in a team is busy why don't they just answer your email when theyre are not busy, not much point having an email address to contact otherwise is there? Sounds like they're passing the buck to me. Gill, you say every member of the bip holds a worthwhile position, do you mean a worthwhile position in the bip or outside of the bip? Even Cllr. Wallis and MP Andrew George?[/p][/quote]In answer to your questions, I was actually referring to their positions as members within the HBIP, however, perspicacity tells me they all additionally hold worthwhile positions outside of the HBIP. Yes, I was including MP Andrew George and Councillor Andrew Wallis. I personally would not vote for MP Andrew George but that is not to say the actual position he holds is not worthwhile. I would have thought the more members the HBIP has, the better. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 12

8:44am Sat 14 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Very impressed with the use of the word perspicacity Gill. Will certainly try and use it myself.
Very impressed with the use of the word perspicacity Gill. Will certainly try and use it myself. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 11

1:10pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Helston John says...

Ah, so I think telstar1962 is good at asking questions but not answering them, no reply, on here, and no reply about the Porthleven electorate on the other article.

In answer to telstars question, no they won't need a development officer after they become a business improvement district, why would they? but no doubt they will try to find some reason to waste more money and change the title and make the position something else. Like the town centre manager that wanted an assistant then he left and the town centre manager assistant just became a project manager assistant, and then Mr Searle became a replacement for the town centre manager and was called a regeneration officer, then a bid development officer came along so she will probably become a business improvement district coordinator or something after it becomes a business improvement district. Then they have a town clerk and town clerks assistant etc They seem to have more staff than Flambards, it's certainly entertainment all year round. Laughable.
Ah, so I think telstar1962 is good at asking questions but not answering them, no reply, on here, and no reply about the Porthleven electorate on the other article. In answer to telstars question, no they won't need a development officer after they become a business improvement district, why would they? but no doubt they will try to find some reason to waste more money and change the title and make the position something else. Like the town centre manager that wanted an assistant then he left and the town centre manager assistant just became a project manager assistant, and then Mr Searle became a replacement for the town centre manager and was called a regeneration officer, then a bid development officer came along so she will probably become a business improvement district coordinator or something after it becomes a business improvement district. Then they have a town clerk and town clerks assistant etc They seem to have more staff than Flambards, it's certainly entertainment all year round. Laughable. Helston John
  • Score: 11

1:21pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Helston John says...

I forgot there's Mrs Chambers too, the administrative assistant as well as the town clerks assistant and oh yes, a town warden and a mayors secretary, oh and don't forget the Person in the bip that's a secretary and treasurer. Lot of wages no doubt being paid out. The BIP could stand for Bringing In People.
I forgot there's Mrs Chambers too, the administrative assistant as well as the town clerks assistant and oh yes, a town warden and a mayors secretary, oh and don't forget the Person in the bip that's a secretary and treasurer. Lot of wages no doubt being paid out. The BIP could stand for Bringing In People. Helston John
  • Score: 10

1:29pm Sat 14 Jun 14

TheOriginaDelboy says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Does anyone else think it's ridiculous asking specific questions on an open transient forum on the internet and expecting the right person to see their question?

Ron, I can't answer your question specifically because I wasn't around when said research was done but I believe at least a survey was carried out among business owners.

Also, the bip doesnt just hand out money willy nilly. It can't. All the ideas and project groups had to apply for budget for each instance from the council, the council then chose/agreed which would receive money and how much. The council decided that a project to help improve the aesthetic of the buildings (i.e. shopfronts) was a beneficial use of the money - it prompted a period of renovation by providing a small amount of money (in the grand scheme of things) to a building owner as long as they spent the equivalent or more of their own cash. And I think it worked personally - the improvement was quite dramatic when you look at before and after pics.
For your records, that I'm sure some of you are keeping :)

Much of the money that some people have referred to as being "paid to landlords" was not actually paid to the landlords.

I believe most of the shopfront grants were paid to the tenants of the businesses in town because most businesses in town pay for a lease on the building, which generally means they also have to pay for repairs on the building inside and out. As Krazyitchkatie says the grants were also match funded by all the people who received them.

Unfortunately there are a couple of people who write on here who have personal issues with certain landlords in Helston, so the subject is brought back to life every now and then just to try to beat the HBIP with.

For the record, I do agree that there was one landlord who should not have received a grant however I was not on the aesthetics group who awarded the grants and I doubt my single vote would have swayed much anyway.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: Does anyone else think it's ridiculous asking specific questions on an open transient forum on the internet and expecting the right person to see their question? Ron, I can't answer your question specifically because I wasn't around when said research was done but I believe at least a survey was carried out among business owners. Also, the bip doesnt just hand out money willy nilly. It can't. All the ideas and project groups had to apply for budget for each instance from the council, the council then chose/agreed which would receive money and how much. The council decided that a project to help improve the aesthetic of the buildings (i.e. shopfronts) was a beneficial use of the money - it prompted a period of renovation by providing a small amount of money (in the grand scheme of things) to a building owner as long as they spent the equivalent or more of their own cash. And I think it worked personally - the improvement was quite dramatic when you look at before and after pics.[/p][/quote]For your records, that I'm sure some of you are keeping :) Much of the money that some people have referred to as being "paid to landlords" was not actually paid to the landlords. I believe most of the shopfront grants were paid to the tenants of the businesses in town because most businesses in town pay for a lease on the building, which generally means they also have to pay for repairs on the building inside and out. As Krazyitchkatie says the grants were also match funded by all the people who received them. Unfortunately there are a couple of people who write on here who have personal issues with certain landlords in Helston, so the subject is brought back to life every now and then just to try to beat the HBIP with. For the record, I do agree that there was one landlord who should not have received a grant however I was not on the aesthetics group who awarded the grants and I doubt my single vote would have swayed much anyway. TheOriginaDelboy
  • Score: -4

4:44pm Sat 14 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

If I am one of the people with issues you are incorrect if free money is offered only a fool would say no. Thanks for agreeing it was hbip that gave out the towns cash
If I am one of the people with issues you are incorrect if free money is offered only a fool would say no. Thanks for agreeing it was hbip that gave out the towns cash ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 9

5:38pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

TheOriginaDelboy wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
Does anyone else think it's ridiculous asking specific questions on an open transient forum on the internet and expecting the right person to see their question?

Ron, I can't answer your question specifically because I wasn't around when said research was done but I believe at least a survey was carried out among business owners.

Also, the bip doesnt just hand out money willy nilly. It can't. All the ideas and project groups had to apply for budget for each instance from the council, the council then chose/agreed which would receive money and how much. The council decided that a project to help improve the aesthetic of the buildings (i.e. shopfronts) was a beneficial use of the money - it prompted a period of renovation by providing a small amount of money (in the grand scheme of things) to a building owner as long as they spent the equivalent or more of their own cash. And I think it worked personally - the improvement was quite dramatic when you look at before and after pics.
For your records, that I'm sure some of you are keeping :)

Much of the money that some people have referred to as being "paid to landlords" was not actually paid to the landlords.

I believe most of the shopfront grants were paid to the tenants of the businesses in town because most businesses in town pay for a lease on the building, which generally means they also have to pay for repairs on the building inside and out. As Krazyitchkatie says the grants were also match funded by all the people who received them.

Unfortunately there are a couple of people who write on here who have personal issues with certain landlords in Helston, so the subject is brought back to life every now and then just to try to beat the HBIP with.

For the record, I do agree that there was one landlord who should not have received a grant however I was not on the aesthetics group who awarded the grants and I doubt my single vote would have swayed much anyway.
I would prefer it if people were named, as it puts all posters under the accusation of having issues with certain landlords, and I certainly have no issues with anyone in Helston.
[quote][p][bold]TheOriginaDelboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: Does anyone else think it's ridiculous asking specific questions on an open transient forum on the internet and expecting the right person to see their question? Ron, I can't answer your question specifically because I wasn't around when said research was done but I believe at least a survey was carried out among business owners. Also, the bip doesnt just hand out money willy nilly. It can't. All the ideas and project groups had to apply for budget for each instance from the council, the council then chose/agreed which would receive money and how much. The council decided that a project to help improve the aesthetic of the buildings (i.e. shopfronts) was a beneficial use of the money - it prompted a period of renovation by providing a small amount of money (in the grand scheme of things) to a building owner as long as they spent the equivalent or more of their own cash. And I think it worked personally - the improvement was quite dramatic when you look at before and after pics.[/p][/quote]For your records, that I'm sure some of you are keeping :) Much of the money that some people have referred to as being "paid to landlords" was not actually paid to the landlords. I believe most of the shopfront grants were paid to the tenants of the businesses in town because most businesses in town pay for a lease on the building, which generally means they also have to pay for repairs on the building inside and out. As Krazyitchkatie says the grants were also match funded by all the people who received them. Unfortunately there are a couple of people who write on here who have personal issues with certain landlords in Helston, so the subject is brought back to life every now and then just to try to beat the HBIP with. For the record, I do agree that there was one landlord who should not have received a grant however I was not on the aesthetics group who awarded the grants and I doubt my single vote would have swayed much anyway.[/p][/quote]I would prefer it if people were named, as it puts all posters under the accusation of having issues with certain landlords, and I certainly have no issues with anyone in Helston. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 12

5:48pm Sat 14 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
TheOriginaDelboy wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
Does anyone else think it's ridiculous asking specific questions on an open transient forum on the internet and expecting the right person to see their question?

Ron, I can't answer your question specifically because I wasn't around when said research was done but I believe at least a survey was carried out among business owners.

Also, the bip doesnt just hand out money willy nilly. It can't. All the ideas and project groups had to apply for budget for each instance from the council, the council then chose/agreed which would receive money and how much. The council decided that a project to help improve the aesthetic of the buildings (i.e. shopfronts) was a beneficial use of the money - it prompted a period of renovation by providing a small amount of money (in the grand scheme of things) to a building owner as long as they spent the equivalent or more of their own cash. And I think it worked personally - the improvement was quite dramatic when you look at before and after pics.
For your records, that I'm sure some of you are keeping :)

Much of the money that some people have referred to as being "paid to landlords" was not actually paid to the landlords.

I believe most of the shopfront grants were paid to the tenants of the businesses in town because most businesses in town pay for a lease on the building, which generally means they also have to pay for repairs on the building inside and out. As Krazyitchkatie says the grants were also match funded by all the people who received them.

Unfortunately there are a couple of people who write on here who have personal issues with certain landlords in Helston, so the subject is brought back to life every now and then just to try to beat the HBIP with.

For the record, I do agree that there was one landlord who should not have received a grant however I was not on the aesthetics group who awarded the grants and I doubt my single vote would have swayed much anyway.
I would prefer it if people were named, as it puts all posters under the accusation of having issues with certain landlords, and I certainly have no issues with anyone in Helston.
I agree I do not have issues with anyone.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheOriginaDelboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: Does anyone else think it's ridiculous asking specific questions on an open transient forum on the internet and expecting the right person to see their question? Ron, I can't answer your question specifically because I wasn't around when said research was done but I believe at least a survey was carried out among business owners. Also, the bip doesnt just hand out money willy nilly. It can't. All the ideas and project groups had to apply for budget for each instance from the council, the council then chose/agreed which would receive money and how much. The council decided that a project to help improve the aesthetic of the buildings (i.e. shopfronts) was a beneficial use of the money - it prompted a period of renovation by providing a small amount of money (in the grand scheme of things) to a building owner as long as they spent the equivalent or more of their own cash. And I think it worked personally - the improvement was quite dramatic when you look at before and after pics.[/p][/quote]For your records, that I'm sure some of you are keeping :) Much of the money that some people have referred to as being "paid to landlords" was not actually paid to the landlords. I believe most of the shopfront grants were paid to the tenants of the businesses in town because most businesses in town pay for a lease on the building, which generally means they also have to pay for repairs on the building inside and out. As Krazyitchkatie says the grants were also match funded by all the people who received them. Unfortunately there are a couple of people who write on here who have personal issues with certain landlords in Helston, so the subject is brought back to life every now and then just to try to beat the HBIP with. For the record, I do agree that there was one landlord who should not have received a grant however I was not on the aesthetics group who awarded the grants and I doubt my single vote would have swayed much anyway.[/p][/quote]I would prefer it if people were named, as it puts all posters under the accusation of having issues with certain landlords, and I certainly have no issues with anyone in Helston.[/p][/quote]I agree I do not have issues with anyone. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 6

5:52pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Helston John says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
If I am one of the people with issues you are incorrect if free money is offered only a fool would say no. Thanks for agreeing it was hbip that gave out the towns cash
Think it must be you and Gill that Delboy is referring to because you're the only two writing on here under your own names, so how would he know who us others are? So he can't know if we had issues with anyone.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: If I am one of the people with issues you are incorrect if free money is offered only a fool would say no. Thanks for agreeing it was hbip that gave out the towns cash[/p][/quote]Think it must be you and Gill that Delboy is referring to because you're the only two writing on here under your own names, so how would he know who us others are? So he can't know if we had issues with anyone. Helston John
  • Score: -1

6:28pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Ron and I have already stated we have no issues with anyone in Helston. I believe if people want to target others with any accusations then they should name people.
Having an opinion on the HBIP and its expenditure, does not necessarily mean someone has an issue with any landlord.
Ron and I have already stated we have no issues with anyone in Helston. I believe if people want to target others with any accusations then they should name people. Having an opinion on the HBIP and its expenditure, does not necessarily mean someone has an issue with any landlord. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 10

7:55pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Helston John says...

TheOriginaDelboy wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
Does anyone else think it's ridiculous asking specific questions on an open transient forum on the internet and expecting the right person to see their question?

Ron, I can't answer your question specifically because I wasn't around when said research was done but I believe at least a survey was carried out among business owners.

Also, the bip doesnt just hand out money willy nilly. It can't. All the ideas and project groups had to apply for budget for each instance from the council, the council then chose/agreed which would receive money and how much. The council decided that a project to help improve the aesthetic of the buildings (i.e. shopfronts) was a beneficial use of the money - it prompted a period of renovation by providing a small amount of money (in the grand scheme of things) to a building owner as long as they spent the equivalent or more of their own cash. And I think it worked personally - the improvement was quite dramatic when you look at before and after pics.
For your records, that I'm sure some of you are keeping :)

Much of the money that some people have referred to as being "paid to landlords" was not actually paid to the landlords.

I believe most of the shopfront grants were paid to the tenants of the businesses in town because most businesses in town pay for a lease on the building, which generally means they also have to pay for repairs on the building inside and out. As Krazyitchkatie says the grants were also match funded by all the people who received them.

Unfortunately there are a couple of people who write on here who have personal issues with certain landlords in Helston, so the subject is brought back to life every now and then just to try to beat the HBIP with.

For the record, I do agree that there was one landlord who should not have received a grant however I was not on the aesthetics group who awarded the grants and I doubt my single vote would have swayed much anyway.
The subject of the BIP is brought back to life every now and then, as you say, because that as it happens is the title of the article, and every now and then the newspaper puts yet another article on here about the BIP, very often about what it's spending money on. As telstar1962 seems to have gone quiet my money is on him for your personal issues theory.
[quote][p][bold]TheOriginaDelboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: Does anyone else think it's ridiculous asking specific questions on an open transient forum on the internet and expecting the right person to see their question? Ron, I can't answer your question specifically because I wasn't around when said research was done but I believe at least a survey was carried out among business owners. Also, the bip doesnt just hand out money willy nilly. It can't. All the ideas and project groups had to apply for budget for each instance from the council, the council then chose/agreed which would receive money and how much. The council decided that a project to help improve the aesthetic of the buildings (i.e. shopfronts) was a beneficial use of the money - it prompted a period of renovation by providing a small amount of money (in the grand scheme of things) to a building owner as long as they spent the equivalent or more of their own cash. And I think it worked personally - the improvement was quite dramatic when you look at before and after pics.[/p][/quote]For your records, that I'm sure some of you are keeping :) Much of the money that some people have referred to as being "paid to landlords" was not actually paid to the landlords. I believe most of the shopfront grants were paid to the tenants of the businesses in town because most businesses in town pay for a lease on the building, which generally means they also have to pay for repairs on the building inside and out. As Krazyitchkatie says the grants were also match funded by all the people who received them. Unfortunately there are a couple of people who write on here who have personal issues with certain landlords in Helston, so the subject is brought back to life every now and then just to try to beat the HBIP with. For the record, I do agree that there was one landlord who should not have received a grant however I was not on the aesthetics group who awarded the grants and I doubt my single vote would have swayed much anyway.[/p][/quote]The subject of the BIP is brought back to life every now and then, as you say, because that as it happens is the title of the article, and every now and then the newspaper puts yet another article on here about the BIP, very often about what it's spending money on. As telstar1962 seems to have gone quiet my money is on him for your personal issues theory. Helston John
  • Score: 6

8:22pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Helston John says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
If I am one of the people with issues you are incorrect if free money is offered only a fool would say no. Thanks for agreeing it was hbip that gave out the towns cash
Your completely right, I fully agree with you.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: If I am one of the people with issues you are incorrect if free money is offered only a fool would say no. Thanks for agreeing it was hbip that gave out the towns cash[/p][/quote]Your completely right, I fully agree with you. Helston John
  • Score: 3

10:52pm Sat 14 Jun 14

helztonboy says...

it seems to me that the 106 money was given for a particular reason and that was to mitigate the effects the supermarkets would have on the businesses in the town. I believe the BIP was formed by the businesses to try to make sure that this money was spent on projects that would help all businesses in the town. As the BIP is made up of business owners I cant think of anyone better to do this. As the members are business people and no doubt busy running their businesses I cant see a problem with them employing someone to help them. All businesses therefore have a say if they want and any of them could be members of the town team.
So my question would be, who else is better qualified to help the business in town than the businesses themselves?
it seems to me that the 106 money was given for a particular reason and that was to mitigate the effects the supermarkets would have on the businesses in the town. I believe the BIP was formed by the businesses to try to make sure that this money was spent on projects that would help all businesses in the town. As the BIP is made up of business owners I cant think of anyone better to do this. As the members are business people and no doubt busy running their businesses I cant see a problem with them employing someone to help them. All businesses therefore have a say if they want and any of them could be members of the town team. So my question would be, who else is better qualified to help the business in town than the businesses themselves? helztonboy
  • Score: 3

5:50am Sun 15 Jun 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

helztonboy wrote:
it seems to me that the 106 money was given for a particular reason and that was to mitigate the effects the supermarkets would have on the businesses in the town. I believe the BIP was formed by the businesses to try to make sure that this money was spent on projects that would help all businesses in the town. As the BIP is made up of business owners I cant think of anyone better to do this. As the members are business people and no doubt busy running their businesses I cant see a problem with them employing someone to help them. All businesses therefore have a say if they want and any of them could be members of the town team.
So my question would be, who else is better qualified to help the business in town than the businesses themselves?
The trouble is, the bip might b more run like a business but it doesnt make money like a normal business and its using the towns money. Why should the businesses get all the help just to help them make more profit. That money could have helped the public like with disabled parking bays and more free parking or something. One big project instead of dribs and drabs of money being wasted like the logo website and guide. I thought the idea of paying a regeneration man was to cope with a big project but all hes done is little stuff the town council could have done themselves without loads of experience needed. They seem to be doing it anyway like the signs and benches.
[quote][p][bold]helztonboy[/bold] wrote: it seems to me that the 106 money was given for a particular reason and that was to mitigate the effects the supermarkets would have on the businesses in the town. I believe the BIP was formed by the businesses to try to make sure that this money was spent on projects that would help all businesses in the town. As the BIP is made up of business owners I cant think of anyone better to do this. As the members are business people and no doubt busy running their businesses I cant see a problem with them employing someone to help them. All businesses therefore have a say if they want and any of them could be members of the town team. So my question would be, who else is better qualified to help the business in town than the businesses themselves?[/p][/quote]The trouble is, the bip might b more run like a business but it doesnt make money like a normal business and its using the towns money. Why should the businesses get all the help just to help them make more profit. That money could have helped the public like with disabled parking bays and more free parking or something. One big project instead of dribs and drabs of money being wasted like the logo website and guide. I thought the idea of paying a regeneration man was to cope with a big project but all hes done is little stuff the town council could have done themselves without loads of experience needed. They seem to be doing it anyway like the signs and benches. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 3

6:00am Sun 15 Jun 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
Ron and I have already stated we have no issues with anyone in Helston. I believe if people want to target others with any accusations then they should name people.
Having an opinion on the HBIP and its expenditure, does not necessarily mean someone has an issue with any landlord.
I think Cllr Wallis has got issues with Gill because she complained about the carpark and i think hes a bit handy with his temper and hes a Helston Cllr. Also I think Ron has issues with Cllr Knight and Cllr Radford Gaby judging by whats been said on here in the past. Only saying.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: Ron and I have already stated we have no issues with anyone in Helston. I believe if people want to target others with any accusations then they should name people. Having an opinion on the HBIP and its expenditure, does not necessarily mean someone has an issue with any landlord.[/p][/quote]I think Cllr Wallis has got issues with Gill because she complained about the carpark and i think hes a bit handy with his temper and hes a Helston Cllr. Also I think Ron has issues with Cllr Knight and Cllr Radford Gaby judging by whats been said on here in the past. Only saying. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 5

6:28am Sun 15 Jun 14

helztonboy says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
helztonboy wrote:
it seems to me that the 106 money was given for a particular reason and that was to mitigate the effects the supermarkets would have on the businesses in the town. I believe the BIP was formed by the businesses to try to make sure that this money was spent on projects that would help all businesses in the town. As the BIP is made up of business owners I cant think of anyone better to do this. As the members are business people and no doubt busy running their businesses I cant see a problem with them employing someone to help them. All businesses therefore have a say if they want and any of them could be members of the town team.
So my question would be, who else is better qualified to help the business in town than the businesses themselves?
The trouble is, the bip might b more run like a business but it doesnt make money like a normal business and its using the towns money. Why should the businesses get all the help just to help them make more profit. That money could have helped the public like with disabled parking bays and more free parking or something. One big project instead of dribs and drabs of money being wasted like the logo website and guide. I thought the idea of paying a regeneration man was to cope with a big project but all hes done is little stuff the town council could have done themselves without loads of experience needed. They seem to be doing it anyway like the signs and benches.
I thought the 106 money had been split into two pots,one for the regeneration, to include the things you mention and another pot to do projects, events etc. The Town Council should be doing the regeneration and the BIP was formed to do the other stuff. You say "towns money" , I believe in every town that gets 106 money it always gets split ?
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helztonboy[/bold] wrote: it seems to me that the 106 money was given for a particular reason and that was to mitigate the effects the supermarkets would have on the businesses in the town. I believe the BIP was formed by the businesses to try to make sure that this money was spent on projects that would help all businesses in the town. As the BIP is made up of business owners I cant think of anyone better to do this. As the members are business people and no doubt busy running their businesses I cant see a problem with them employing someone to help them. All businesses therefore have a say if they want and any of them could be members of the town team. So my question would be, who else is better qualified to help the business in town than the businesses themselves?[/p][/quote]The trouble is, the bip might b more run like a business but it doesnt make money like a normal business and its using the towns money. Why should the businesses get all the help just to help them make more profit. That money could have helped the public like with disabled parking bays and more free parking or something. One big project instead of dribs and drabs of money being wasted like the logo website and guide. I thought the idea of paying a regeneration man was to cope with a big project but all hes done is little stuff the town council could have done themselves without loads of experience needed. They seem to be doing it anyway like the signs and benches.[/p][/quote]I thought the 106 money had been split into two pots,one for the regeneration, to include the things you mention and another pot to do projects, events etc. The Town Council should be doing the regeneration and the BIP was formed to do the other stuff. You say "towns money" , I believe in every town that gets 106 money it always gets split ? helztonboy
  • Score: 1

6:48am Sun 15 Jun 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Yes it has been split into two pots but how can they justify only about 200 thousand out of 800 thousand left for public projects. Far too much has gone on wages for managers and officers and the generation man i cant see do anything a normal town council could do.
Yes it has been split into two pots but how can they justify only about 200 thousand out of 800 thousand left for public projects. Far too much has gone on wages for managers and officers and the generation man i cant see do anything a normal town council could do. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 7

6:59am Sun 15 Jun 14

Helston John says...

Ex Cllr Keith Reynolds pushed the original Kerrier council just before the unitary authority came in, to get the money for the town manager, if he hadn't done that the money might be there to use for other things. he wasn't a very good Cllr I don't think.
Ex Cllr Keith Reynolds pushed the original Kerrier council just before the unitary authority came in, to get the money for the town manager, if he hadn't done that the money might be there to use for other things. he wasn't a very good Cllr I don't think. Helston John
  • Score: -1

7:05am Sun 15 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Helston John wrote:
Ex Cllr Keith Reynolds pushed the original Kerrier council just before the unitary authority came in, to get the money for the town manager, if he hadn't done that the money might be there to use for other things. he wasn't a very good Cllr I don't think.
Keith Reynolds was an excellent councillor. The section 106 money was given roughly half and half by Sainsbury's and Tescos, Sainsbury's contribution was already agreed at Cornwall Council planning level for the employment of a town manager. All Ex Councillor Keith Reynolds did, was to chase up the release of the money from the council with which to finance the agreed town manager. Keith Reynolds did an excellent job.
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: Ex Cllr Keith Reynolds pushed the original Kerrier council just before the unitary authority came in, to get the money for the town manager, if he hadn't done that the money might be there to use for other things. he wasn't a very good Cllr I don't think.[/p][/quote]Keith Reynolds was an excellent councillor. The section 106 money was given roughly half and half by Sainsbury's and Tescos, Sainsbury's contribution was already agreed at Cornwall Council planning level for the employment of a town manager. All Ex Councillor Keith Reynolds did, was to chase up the release of the money from the council with which to finance the agreed town manager. Keith Reynolds did an excellent job. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 5

8:47am Sun 15 Jun 14

Helston John says...

helztonboy wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
helztonboy wrote:
it seems to me that the 106 money was given for a particular reason and that was to mitigate the effects the supermarkets would have on the businesses in the town. I believe the BIP was formed by the businesses to try to make sure that this money was spent on projects that would help all businesses in the town. As the BIP is made up of business owners I cant think of anyone better to do this. As the members are business people and no doubt busy running their businesses I cant see a problem with them employing someone to help them. All businesses therefore have a say if they want and any of them could be members of the town team.
So my question would be, who else is better qualified to help the business in town than the businesses themselves?
The trouble is, the bip might b more run like a business but it doesnt make money like a normal business and its using the towns money. Why should the businesses get all the help just to help them make more profit. That money could have helped the public like with disabled parking bays and more free parking or something. One big project instead of dribs and drabs of money being wasted like the logo website and guide. I thought the idea of paying a regeneration man was to cope with a big project but all hes done is little stuff the town council could have done themselves without loads of experience needed. They seem to be doing it anyway like the signs and benches.
I thought the 106 money had been split into two pots,one for the regeneration, to include the things you mention and another pot to do projects, events etc. The Town Council should be doing the regeneration and the BIP was formed to do the other stuff. You say "towns money" , I believe in every town that gets 106 money it always gets split ?
If other towns have their 106 money split, what would it be split on? They don't all have town managers, project managers, assistants, regeneration officers etc etc etc , Helston seems to have the largest team of paid employees for the smallest town.
[quote][p][bold]helztonboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helztonboy[/bold] wrote: it seems to me that the 106 money was given for a particular reason and that was to mitigate the effects the supermarkets would have on the businesses in the town. I believe the BIP was formed by the businesses to try to make sure that this money was spent on projects that would help all businesses in the town. As the BIP is made up of business owners I cant think of anyone better to do this. As the members are business people and no doubt busy running their businesses I cant see a problem with them employing someone to help them. All businesses therefore have a say if they want and any of them could be members of the town team. So my question would be, who else is better qualified to help the business in town than the businesses themselves?[/p][/quote]The trouble is, the bip might b more run like a business but it doesnt make money like a normal business and its using the towns money. Why should the businesses get all the help just to help them make more profit. That money could have helped the public like with disabled parking bays and more free parking or something. One big project instead of dribs and drabs of money being wasted like the logo website and guide. I thought the idea of paying a regeneration man was to cope with a big project but all hes done is little stuff the town council could have done themselves without loads of experience needed. They seem to be doing it anyway like the signs and benches.[/p][/quote]I thought the 106 money had been split into two pots,one for the regeneration, to include the things you mention and another pot to do projects, events etc. The Town Council should be doing the regeneration and the BIP was formed to do the other stuff. You say "towns money" , I believe in every town that gets 106 money it always gets split ?[/p][/quote]If other towns have their 106 money split, what would it be split on? They don't all have town managers, project managers, assistants, regeneration officers etc etc etc , Helston seems to have the largest team of paid employees for the smallest town. Helston John
  • Score: -1

8:57am Sun 15 Jun 14

Helston John says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
Helston John wrote:
Ex Cllr Keith Reynolds pushed the original Kerrier council just before the unitary authority came in, to get the money for the town manager, if he hadn't done that the money might be there to use for other things. he wasn't a very good Cllr I don't think.
Keith Reynolds was an excellent councillor. The section 106 money was given roughly half and half by Sainsbury's and Tescos, Sainsbury's contribution was already agreed at Cornwall Council planning level for the employment of a town manager. All Ex Councillor Keith Reynolds did, was to chase up the release of the money from the council with which to finance the agreed town manager. Keith Reynolds did an excellent job.
If Cllr Reynolds hadn't have pushed to get the money out of Kerrier or Cornwall Council which ever it was at the time, to get on and employ a town manager then the money could have all been spent on something else. Don't think Cllr Reynolds was any good as a Cllr, if he was, he could have used the money for a building project like keeping the community centre open.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: Ex Cllr Keith Reynolds pushed the original Kerrier council just before the unitary authority came in, to get the money for the town manager, if he hadn't done that the money might be there to use for other things. he wasn't a very good Cllr I don't think.[/p][/quote]Keith Reynolds was an excellent councillor. The section 106 money was given roughly half and half by Sainsbury's and Tescos, Sainsbury's contribution was already agreed at Cornwall Council planning level for the employment of a town manager. All Ex Councillor Keith Reynolds did, was to chase up the release of the money from the council with which to finance the agreed town manager. Keith Reynolds did an excellent job.[/p][/quote]If Cllr Reynolds hadn't have pushed to get the money out of Kerrier or Cornwall Council which ever it was at the time, to get on and employ a town manager then the money could have all been spent on something else. Don't think Cllr Reynolds was any good as a Cllr, if he was, he could have used the money for a building project like keeping the community centre open. Helston John
  • Score: -7

9:33am Sun 15 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Councillor Keith Reynolds wanted the town council to chase up the release of the money from Kerrier Council, as the formation of the unitary authority was imminent. money for the employment of a town manager had already been agreed, and no money appeared to be forthcoming at that time. None of the section 106 money could have been used for a building project such as the community centre, there is a strict criteria attached to the money. Its purpose being for use to offset any negative impact of the supermarkets on the town centre, and to boost trade/footfall in town.
Councillor Keith Reynolds worked extremely hard with Helston Town Council for many years and always put the interest of the town first.
The HBIP was formed by the town manager, and will continue to work for the benefit of the town.
Councillor Keith Reynolds wanted the town council to chase up the release of the money from Kerrier Council, as the formation of the unitary authority was imminent. money for the employment of a town manager had already been agreed, and no money appeared to be forthcoming at that time. None of the section 106 money could have been used for a building project such as the community centre, there is a strict criteria attached to the money. Its purpose being for use to offset any negative impact of the supermarkets on the town centre, and to boost trade/footfall in town. Councillor Keith Reynolds worked extremely hard with Helston Town Council for many years and always put the interest of the town first. The HBIP was formed by the town manager, and will continue to work for the benefit of the town. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 4

9:22am Mon 16 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

helztonboy wrote:
it seems to me that the 106 money was given for a particular reason and that was to mitigate the effects the supermarkets would have on the businesses in the town. I believe the BIP was formed by the businesses to try to make sure that this money was spent on projects that would help all businesses in the town. As the BIP is made up of business owners I cant think of anyone better to do this. As the members are business people and no doubt busy running their businesses I cant see a problem with them employing someone to help them. All businesses therefore have a say if they want and any of them could be members of the town team.
So my question would be, who else is better qualified to help the business in town than the businesses themselves?
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]helztonboy[/bold] wrote: it seems to me that the 106 money was given for a particular reason and that was to mitigate the effects the supermarkets would have on the businesses in the town. I believe the BIP was formed by the businesses to try to make sure that this money was spent on projects that would help all businesses in the town. As the BIP is made up of business owners I cant think of anyone better to do this. As the members are business people and no doubt busy running their businesses I cant see a problem with them employing someone to help them. All businesses therefore have a say if they want and any of them could be members of the town team. So my question would be, who else is better qualified to help the business in town than the businesses themselves?[/p][/quote]Well said. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 2

9:22am Mon 16 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
If I am one of the people with issues you are incorrect if free money is offered only a fool would say no. Thanks for agreeing it was hbip that gave out the towns cash
It's no secret that the business owners were given the opportunity to allocate monies to agreed projects?
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: If I am one of the people with issues you are incorrect if free money is offered only a fool would say no. Thanks for agreeing it was hbip that gave out the towns cash[/p][/quote]It's no secret that the business owners were given the opportunity to allocate monies to agreed projects? krazyitchkatie
  • Score: -2

10:10am Mon 16 Jun 14

Helston John says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
If I am one of the people with issues you are incorrect if free money is offered only a fool would say no. Thanks for agreeing it was hbip that gave out the towns cash
It's no secret that the business owners were given the opportunity to allocate monies to agreed projects?
You said in previous times it was the town council that gave the money out, passing the buck maybe? It was town council money to start with but then they gave some to the BIP and the BIP gave some away to landlords, as for Delboy saying most of it was given to tenants, that's fiction, either that or it was put on here wrongly in the past, because it said in the past it was LANDLORDS that had to apply. Why would a tennant pay to do up a building owned by someone else. . .? John Boase is a landlord. And for Delboy to say he was against one landlord getting a grant, yes, a landlord, not a tennant, that's just picky, either John Boase is a landlord or he's not. Hmm, so you pay a tennant to do up a landlords building without the landlords permission.?
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: If I am one of the people with issues you are incorrect if free money is offered only a fool would say no. Thanks for agreeing it was hbip that gave out the towns cash[/p][/quote]It's no secret that the business owners were given the opportunity to allocate monies to agreed projects?[/p][/quote]You said in previous times it was the town council that gave the money out, passing the buck maybe? It was town council money to start with but then they gave some to the BIP and the BIP gave some away to landlords, as for Delboy saying most of it was given to tenants, that's fiction, either that or it was put on here wrongly in the past, because it said in the past it was LANDLORDS that had to apply. Why would a tennant pay to do up a building owned by someone else. . .? John Boase is a landlord. And for Delboy to say he was against one landlord getting a grant, yes, a landlord, not a tennant, that's just picky, either John Boase is a landlord or he's not. Hmm, so you pay a tennant to do up a landlords building without the landlords permission.? Helston John
  • Score: -4

10:14am Mon 16 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

@Helston John - I think I'm missing your point. The council gave the money out to the business owners (the BIP) for them to handle the nitty gritty and specific allocations of using the money for specific projects (eg shop front grants) that were agreed by the council in the first place.
@Helston John - I think I'm missing your point. The council gave the money out to the business owners (the BIP) for them to handle the nitty gritty and specific allocations of using the money for specific projects (eg shop front grants) that were agreed by the council in the first place. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 2

10:15am Mon 16 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Well said.
Well said. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -6

10:16am Mon 16 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

As for the landlord/tenant discrepancy - the money was for the building. Permission had to be sought from the owner for repairs/maintenance to be made but it is individual circumstance as to whether the landlord or the tenant actually carried out the work. The landlord may not have wanted to do the work but allowed the business tenant to do so at their own cost.
As for the landlord/tenant discrepancy - the money was for the building. Permission had to be sought from the owner for repairs/maintenance to be made but it is individual circumstance as to whether the landlord or the tenant actually carried out the work. The landlord may not have wanted to do the work but allowed the business tenant to do so at their own cost. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 2

10:27am Mon 16 Jun 14

Helston John says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
@Helston John - I think I'm missing your point. The council gave the money out to the business owners (the BIP) for them to handle the nitty gritty and specific allocations of using the money for specific projects (eg shop front grants) that were agreed by the council in the first place.
The point is, it was the BIPs idea to give out money for the benefit of landlords or tennants, who themselves make profit for themselves. In the past the buck seems to have been past to the council when people mention about wasted money and you yourself seem to, yet now when Delboy says it was the BIP giving money out and Ron agrees, you say it was no secret. Well we at least we have that established then, it was the BIP that wasted money.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: @Helston John - I think I'm missing your point. The council gave the money out to the business owners (the BIP) for them to handle the nitty gritty and specific allocations of using the money for specific projects (eg shop front grants) that were agreed by the council in the first place.[/p][/quote]The point is, it was the BIPs idea to give out money for the benefit of landlords or tennants, who themselves make profit for themselves. In the past the buck seems to have been past to the council when people mention about wasted money and you yourself seem to, yet now when Delboy says it was the BIP giving money out and Ron agrees, you say it was no secret. Well we at least we have that established then, it was the BIP that wasted money. Helston John
  • Score: -4

10:35am Mon 16 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

All the 'ideas' have come from the business owners (BIP) and public consultations. All ideas then go to the Council for money to be allocated if the council agrees that the idea is good and worthwhile and then the business owners do the work, as agreed by the council. So it is the council's decision what to 'waste' money on. But personally I do not see that it was a waste to spend a bit of money repairing the historic facade of the town. And neither did the council.

I do feel like I'm repeating myself a bit. But I'm all for establishing facts so will always try and answer any anomalies to the best of my knowledge. I hope it is now clear with regards the above anyhoo.
All the 'ideas' have come from the business owners (BIP) and public consultations. All ideas then go to the Council for money to be allocated if the council agrees that the idea is good and worthwhile and then the business owners do the work, as agreed by the council. So it is the council's decision what to 'waste' money on. But personally I do not see that it was a waste to spend a bit of money repairing the historic facade of the town. And neither did the council. I do feel like I'm repeating myself a bit. But I'm all for establishing facts so will always try and answer any anomalies to the best of my knowledge. I hope it is now clear with regards the above anyhoo. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 1

10:38am Mon 16 Jun 14

Helston John says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
As for the landlord/tenant discrepancy - the money was for the building. Permission had to be sought from the owner for repairs/maintenance to be made but it is individual circumstance as to whether the landlord or the tenant actually carried out the work. The landlord may not have wanted to do the work but allowed the business tenant to do so at their own cost.
You said the money was match funded, yes, it was. For a tennant to match fund money to do up someone else's building for them, they must think it worth their while, and will make lots of money there, so like I said, the BIP helped people make money for themselves, are those businesses going to pass on a discount to the customers to attract more people in to Helston? That money should not have been given to landlords, it should have been spent in the town on things to benefit the public and shoppers. Who better to ask than the shoppers themselves. No good doing everything the businesses want if you don't pay heed to what the shoppers want, no shoppers, no business's.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: As for the landlord/tenant discrepancy - the money was for the building. Permission had to be sought from the owner for repairs/maintenance to be made but it is individual circumstance as to whether the landlord or the tenant actually carried out the work. The landlord may not have wanted to do the work but allowed the business tenant to do so at their own cost.[/p][/quote]You said the money was match funded, yes, it was. For a tennant to match fund money to do up someone else's building for them, they must think it worth their while, and will make lots of money there, so like I said, the BIP helped people make money for themselves, are those businesses going to pass on a discount to the customers to attract more people in to Helston? That money should not have been given to landlords, it should have been spent in the town on things to benefit the public and shoppers. Who better to ask than the shoppers themselves. No good doing everything the businesses want if you don't pay heed to what the shoppers want, no shoppers, no business's. Helston John
  • Score: -3

10:41am Mon 16 Jun 14

Helston John says...

All the public meetings were a complete waste of time and money, at the end of the day the BIP have just taken over, made their own decisions and done exactly what they like, help greedy landlords. The council have just payed staff on staff and nothing has changed.
All the public meetings were a complete waste of time and money, at the end of the day the BIP have just taken over, made their own decisions and done exactly what they like, help greedy landlords. The council have just payed staff on staff and nothing has changed. Helston John
  • Score: -3

10:46am Mon 16 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Well that is all your own opinion.

Fact remains, the money the BIP (the businesses) have spent is specifically for the businesses to use how they see fit, to benefit their businesses?!

Fact remains, the BIP have worked really hard to benefit the town.

Fact remains, the council is a force unto itself - many of your complaints are with the council, not the bip.

Fact remains, whinging about stuff on here doesn't fix anything.

Public realm has it's own pot of money so you're best off contacting Martin Searle about your thoughts on how that money should be spent to benefit the public.
Well that is all your own opinion. Fact remains, the money the BIP (the businesses) have spent is specifically for the businesses to use how they see fit, to benefit their businesses?! Fact remains, the BIP have worked really hard to benefit the town. Fact remains, the council is a force unto itself - many of your complaints are with the council, not the bip. Fact remains, whinging about stuff on here doesn't fix anything. Public realm has it's own pot of money so you're best off contacting Martin Searle about your thoughts on how that money should be spent to benefit the public. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 2

10:51am Mon 16 Jun 14

Helston John says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
All the 'ideas' have come from the business owners (BIP) and public consultations. All ideas then go to the Council for money to be allocated if the council agrees that the idea is good and worthwhile and then the business owners do the work, as agreed by the council. So it is the council's decision what to 'waste' money on. But personally I do not see that it was a waste to spend a bit of money repairing the historic facade of the town. And neither did the council.

I do feel like I'm repeating myself a bit. But I'm all for establishing facts so will always try and answer any anomalies to the best of my knowledge. I hope it is now clear with regards the above anyhoo.
Not all ideas go to the council to make the decision, because the council gave x amount of money to the BIP awhile ago for them to do what they like with.
If the council said no to all the BIPs ideas then what would happen? And if the council say yes, at the end of the money, we all blame the council for wastage ?
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: All the 'ideas' have come from the business owners (BIP) and public consultations. All ideas then go to the Council for money to be allocated if the council agrees that the idea is good and worthwhile and then the business owners do the work, as agreed by the council. So it is the council's decision what to 'waste' money on. But personally I do not see that it was a waste to spend a bit of money repairing the historic facade of the town. And neither did the council. I do feel like I'm repeating myself a bit. But I'm all for establishing facts so will always try and answer any anomalies to the best of my knowledge. I hope it is now clear with regards the above anyhoo.[/p][/quote]Not all ideas go to the council to make the decision, because the council gave x amount of money to the BIP awhile ago for them to do what they like with. If the council said no to all the BIPs ideas then what would happen? And if the council say yes, at the end of the money, we all blame the council for wastage ? Helston John
  • Score: -5

10:56am Mon 16 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Helston John wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
All the 'ideas' have come from the business owners (BIP) and public consultations. All ideas then go to the Council for money to be allocated if the council agrees that the idea is good and worthwhile and then the business owners do the work, as agreed by the council. So it is the council's decision what to 'waste' money on. But personally I do not see that it was a waste to spend a bit of money repairing the historic facade of the town. And neither did the council.

I do feel like I'm repeating myself a bit. But I'm all for establishing facts so will always try and answer any anomalies to the best of my knowledge. I hope it is now clear with regards the above anyhoo.
Not all ideas go to the council to make the decision, because the council gave x amount of money to the BIP awhile ago for them to do what they like with.
If the council said no to all the BIPs ideas then what would happen? And if the council say yes, at the end of the money, we all blame the council for wastage ?
That is incorrect.

The BIP had to apply to the council with specific budget plans for specifically allocated pots of money for specific projects. Now whilst there is some day-to-day leaway on expenditure (else nothing would be able to be done!) the bip does not have an open pot of money to swim around in as it pleases.

Before the bip could do anything it had to lay out all plans for money spends, to be agreed. All subsequent expenditure is fully audited.

If the council said no to all ideas, nothing would get done.

If the council said yes to everything, who's to say it would've been wasted?
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: All the 'ideas' have come from the business owners (BIP) and public consultations. All ideas then go to the Council for money to be allocated if the council agrees that the idea is good and worthwhile and then the business owners do the work, as agreed by the council. So it is the council's decision what to 'waste' money on. But personally I do not see that it was a waste to spend a bit of money repairing the historic facade of the town. And neither did the council. I do feel like I'm repeating myself a bit. But I'm all for establishing facts so will always try and answer any anomalies to the best of my knowledge. I hope it is now clear with regards the above anyhoo.[/p][/quote]Not all ideas go to the council to make the decision, because the council gave x amount of money to the BIP awhile ago for them to do what they like with. If the council said no to all the BIPs ideas then what would happen? And if the council say yes, at the end of the money, we all blame the council for wastage ?[/p][/quote]That is incorrect. The BIP had to apply to the council with specific budget plans for specifically allocated pots of money for specific projects. Now whilst there is some day-to-day leaway on expenditure (else nothing would be able to be done!) the bip does not have an open pot of money to swim around in as it pleases. Before the bip could do anything it had to lay out all plans for money spends, to be agreed. All subsequent expenditure is fully audited. If the council said no to all ideas, nothing would get done. If the council said yes to everything, who's to say it would've been wasted? krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 2

11:02am Mon 16 Jun 14

Helston John says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Well that is all your own opinion.

Fact remains, the money the BIP (the businesses) have spent is specifically for the businesses to use how they see fit, to benefit their businesses?!

Fact remains, the BIP have worked really hard to benefit the town.

Fact remains, the council is a force unto itself - many of your complaints are with the council, not the bip.

Fact remains, whinging about stuff on here doesn't fix anything.

Public realm has it's own pot of money so you're best off contacting Martin Searle about your thoughts on how that money should be spent to benefit the public.
Yep, it is all just my opinion, but if you ask around town, I'm not alone. Sounds to me if the the BIP want a free reign to do what they like and at the end of the day when the money is gone and nothing much to show for it, they want the council to take the blame. Quiet happy to take the money from the council though. Well we' ll have to differ in opinion, but the interesting bit will be in 2016. When the money is spent and nothing has changed. Then I expect the BIP will direct us to the council with our complaints, assuming of course the same Cllrs are stil there. Hopefully ronedgcumbe will be on the council by then.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: Well that is all your own opinion. Fact remains, the money the BIP (the businesses) have spent is specifically for the businesses to use how they see fit, to benefit their businesses?! Fact remains, the BIP have worked really hard to benefit the town. Fact remains, the council is a force unto itself - many of your complaints are with the council, not the bip. Fact remains, whinging about stuff on here doesn't fix anything. Public realm has it's own pot of money so you're best off contacting Martin Searle about your thoughts on how that money should be spent to benefit the public.[/p][/quote]Yep, it is all just my opinion, but if you ask around town, I'm not alone. Sounds to me if the the BIP want a free reign to do what they like and at the end of the day when the money is gone and nothing much to show for it, they want the council to take the blame. Quiet happy to take the money from the council though. Well we' ll have to differ in opinion, but the interesting bit will be in 2016. When the money is spent and nothing has changed. Then I expect the BIP will direct us to the council with our complaints, assuming of course the same Cllrs are stil there. Hopefully ronedgcumbe will be on the council by then. Helston John
  • Score: -3

11:13am Mon 16 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Helston John wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
Well that is all your own opinion.

Fact remains, the money the BIP (the businesses) have spent is specifically for the businesses to use how they see fit, to benefit their businesses?!

Fact remains, the BIP have worked really hard to benefit the town.

Fact remains, the council is a force unto itself - many of your complaints are with the council, not the bip.

Fact remains, whinging about stuff on here doesn't fix anything.

Public realm has it's own pot of money so you're best off contacting Martin Searle about your thoughts on how that money should be spent to benefit the public.
Yep, it is all just my opinion, but if you ask around town, I'm not alone. Sounds to me if the the BIP want a free reign to do what they like and at the end of the day when the money is gone and nothing much to show for it, they want the council to take the blame. Quiet happy to take the money from the council though. Well we' ll have to differ in opinion, but the interesting bit will be in 2016. When the money is spent and nothing has changed. Then I expect the BIP will direct us to the council with our complaints, assuming of course the same Cllrs are stil there. Hopefully ronedgcumbe will be on the council by then.
Of course, everyone has different opinions, tis the way of the world, but I just want to get the point across that this particular pot of money does 'belong' to the businesses of the town for them to spend as they see fit for the benefit of the business side of the town, and so of course they are doing so.
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: Well that is all your own opinion. Fact remains, the money the BIP (the businesses) have spent is specifically for the businesses to use how they see fit, to benefit their businesses?! Fact remains, the BIP have worked really hard to benefit the town. Fact remains, the council is a force unto itself - many of your complaints are with the council, not the bip. Fact remains, whinging about stuff on here doesn't fix anything. Public realm has it's own pot of money so you're best off contacting Martin Searle about your thoughts on how that money should be spent to benefit the public.[/p][/quote]Yep, it is all just my opinion, but if you ask around town, I'm not alone. Sounds to me if the the BIP want a free reign to do what they like and at the end of the day when the money is gone and nothing much to show for it, they want the council to take the blame. Quiet happy to take the money from the council though. Well we' ll have to differ in opinion, but the interesting bit will be in 2016. When the money is spent and nothing has changed. Then I expect the BIP will direct us to the council with our complaints, assuming of course the same Cllrs are stil there. Hopefully ronedgcumbe will be on the council by then.[/p][/quote]Of course, everyone has different opinions, tis the way of the world, but I just want to get the point across that this particular pot of money does 'belong' to the businesses of the town for them to spend as they see fit for the benefit of the business side of the town, and so of course they are doing so. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 4

11:23am Mon 16 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

Helston John wrote:
Ah, so I think telstar1962 is good at asking questions but not answering them, no reply, on here, and no reply about the Porthleven electorate on the other article.

In answer to telstars question, no they won't need a development officer after they become a business improvement district, why would they? but no doubt they will try to find some reason to waste more money and change the title and make the position something else. Like the town centre manager that wanted an assistant then he left and the town centre manager assistant just became a project manager assistant, and then Mr Searle became a replacement for the town centre manager and was called a regeneration officer, then a bid development officer came along so she will probably become a business improvement district coordinator or something after it becomes a business improvement district. Then they have a town clerk and town clerks assistant etc They seem to have more staff than Flambards, it's certainly entertainment all year round. Laughable.
Very succinctly put, John

And just because I go quiet probably means that I am very busy trying to earn a living wage, and I didn't know it was compulsory to answer anything on here !!

For a small Market Town, Helston must have the highest percentage of individuals with titles, all with the same aim in attracting its 12000 population to spend more money in the Town's shops than in Tesco and Sainsbury, after the fatal damage has already been inflicted on the place

My perspicacious view is that there should be less jobs with titles and a nice new big shopping centre built on the outskirts of Town to attract more people to the area, who will then spend money in decent large shops on the edge of Town, with an easy to use Park and Ride/ Two way system in and out of Town so that both Town Centre and new edge of Town shops will benefit.

I have put this idea forward on numerous occasions, since Helston is a growing Town in much need of developments which have been successful elsewhere in places like Hayle etc
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: Ah, so I think telstar1962 is good at asking questions but not answering them, no reply, on here, and no reply about the Porthleven electorate on the other article. In answer to telstars question, no they won't need a development officer after they become a business improvement district, why would they? but no doubt they will try to find some reason to waste more money and change the title and make the position something else. Like the town centre manager that wanted an assistant then he left and the town centre manager assistant just became a project manager assistant, and then Mr Searle became a replacement for the town centre manager and was called a regeneration officer, then a bid development officer came along so she will probably become a business improvement district coordinator or something after it becomes a business improvement district. Then they have a town clerk and town clerks assistant etc They seem to have more staff than Flambards, it's certainly entertainment all year round. Laughable.[/p][/quote]Very succinctly put, John And just because I go quiet probably means that I am very busy trying to earn a living wage, and I didn't know it was compulsory to answer anything on here !! For a small Market Town, Helston must have the highest percentage of individuals with titles, all with the same aim in attracting its 12000 population to spend more money in the Town's shops than in Tesco and Sainsbury, after the fatal damage has already been inflicted on the place My perspicacious view is that there should be less jobs with titles and a nice new big shopping centre built on the outskirts of Town to attract more people to the area, who will then spend money in decent large shops on the edge of Town, with an easy to use Park and Ride/ Two way system in and out of Town so that both Town Centre and new edge of Town shops will benefit. I have put this idea forward on numerous occasions, since Helston is a growing Town in much need of developments which have been successful elsewhere in places like Hayle etc telstar1962
  • Score: -2

11:23am Mon 16 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

Helston John wrote:
Ah, so I think telstar1962 is good at asking questions but not answering them, no reply, on here, and no reply about the Porthleven electorate on the other article.

In answer to telstars question, no they won't need a development officer after they become a business improvement district, why would they? but no doubt they will try to find some reason to waste more money and change the title and make the position something else. Like the town centre manager that wanted an assistant then he left and the town centre manager assistant just became a project manager assistant, and then Mr Searle became a replacement for the town centre manager and was called a regeneration officer, then a bid development officer came along so she will probably become a business improvement district coordinator or something after it becomes a business improvement district. Then they have a town clerk and town clerks assistant etc They seem to have more staff than Flambards, it's certainly entertainment all year round. Laughable.
Very succinctly put, John

And just because I go quiet probably means that I am very busy trying to earn a living wage, and I didn't know it was compulsory to answer anything on here !!

For a small Market Town, Helston must have the highest percentage of individuals with titles, all with the same aim in attracting its 12000 population to spend more money in the Town's shops than in Tesco and Sainsbury, after the fatal damage has already been inflicted on the place

My perspicacious view is that there should be less jobs with titles and a nice new big shopping centre built on the outskirts of Town to attract more people to the area, who will then spend money in decent large shops on the edge of Town, with an easy to use Park and Ride/ Two way system in and out of Town so that both Town Centre and new edge of Town shops will benefit.

I have put this idea forward on numerous occasions, since Helston is a growing Town in much need of developments which have been successful elsewhere in places like Hayle etc
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: Ah, so I think telstar1962 is good at asking questions but not answering them, no reply, on here, and no reply about the Porthleven electorate on the other article. In answer to telstars question, no they won't need a development officer after they become a business improvement district, why would they? but no doubt they will try to find some reason to waste more money and change the title and make the position something else. Like the town centre manager that wanted an assistant then he left and the town centre manager assistant just became a project manager assistant, and then Mr Searle became a replacement for the town centre manager and was called a regeneration officer, then a bid development officer came along so she will probably become a business improvement district coordinator or something after it becomes a business improvement district. Then they have a town clerk and town clerks assistant etc They seem to have more staff than Flambards, it's certainly entertainment all year round. Laughable.[/p][/quote]Very succinctly put, John And just because I go quiet probably means that I am very busy trying to earn a living wage, and I didn't know it was compulsory to answer anything on here !! For a small Market Town, Helston must have the highest percentage of individuals with titles, all with the same aim in attracting its 12000 population to spend more money in the Town's shops than in Tesco and Sainsbury, after the fatal damage has already been inflicted on the place My perspicacious view is that there should be less jobs with titles and a nice new big shopping centre built on the outskirts of Town to attract more people to the area, who will then spend money in decent large shops on the edge of Town, with an easy to use Park and Ride/ Two way system in and out of Town so that both Town Centre and new edge of Town shops will benefit. I have put this idea forward on numerous occasions, since Helston is a growing Town in much need of developments which have been successful elsewhere in places like Hayle etc telstar1962
  • Score: 2

2:58pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Helston John says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Helston John wrote:
Ah, so I think telstar1962 is good at asking questions but not answering them, no reply, on here, and no reply about the Porthleven electorate on the other article.

In answer to telstars question, no they won't need a development officer after they become a business improvement district, why would they? but no doubt they will try to find some reason to waste more money and change the title and make the position something else. Like the town centre manager that wanted an assistant then he left and the town centre manager assistant just became a project manager assistant, and then Mr Searle became a replacement for the town centre manager and was called a regeneration officer, then a bid development officer came along so she will probably become a business improvement district coordinator or something after it becomes a business improvement district. Then they have a town clerk and town clerks assistant etc They seem to have more staff than Flambards, it's certainly entertainment all year round. Laughable.
Very succinctly put, John

And just because I go quiet probably means that I am very busy trying to earn a living wage, and I didn't know it was compulsory to answer anything on here !!

For a small Market Town, Helston must have the highest percentage of individuals with titles, all with the same aim in attracting its 12000 population to spend more money in the Town's shops than in Tesco and Sainsbury, after the fatal damage has already been inflicted on the place

My perspicacious view is that there should be less jobs with titles and a nice new big shopping centre built on the outskirts of Town to attract more people to the area, who will then spend money in decent large shops on the edge of Town, with an easy to use Park and Ride/ Two way system in and out of Town so that both Town Centre and new edge of Town shops will benefit.

I have put this idea forward on numerous occasions, since Helston is a growing Town in much need of developments which have been successful elsewhere in places like Hayle etc
Notice you still don't answer the questions though, re MS Martin means Andrew Ferrie is chartered accountant and treasurer, that makes sense?

Or the relevance to Porthleven electorate, on the other article. Yet you expect your questions answered on here.

The reason no one takes up your suggestions of out of town shopping park, park and ride etc, is because no one has the money to do it or run it. If it was feasible it would have been done ages ago, if people don't want to invest in Helston then they don't want to, simple.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: Ah, so I think telstar1962 is good at asking questions but not answering them, no reply, on here, and no reply about the Porthleven electorate on the other article. In answer to telstars question, no they won't need a development officer after they become a business improvement district, why would they? but no doubt they will try to find some reason to waste more money and change the title and make the position something else. Like the town centre manager that wanted an assistant then he left and the town centre manager assistant just became a project manager assistant, and then Mr Searle became a replacement for the town centre manager and was called a regeneration officer, then a bid development officer came along so she will probably become a business improvement district coordinator or something after it becomes a business improvement district. Then they have a town clerk and town clerks assistant etc They seem to have more staff than Flambards, it's certainly entertainment all year round. Laughable.[/p][/quote]Very succinctly put, John And just because I go quiet probably means that I am very busy trying to earn a living wage, and I didn't know it was compulsory to answer anything on here !! For a small Market Town, Helston must have the highest percentage of individuals with titles, all with the same aim in attracting its 12000 population to spend more money in the Town's shops than in Tesco and Sainsbury, after the fatal damage has already been inflicted on the place My perspicacious view is that there should be less jobs with titles and a nice new big shopping centre built on the outskirts of Town to attract more people to the area, who will then spend money in decent large shops on the edge of Town, with an easy to use Park and Ride/ Two way system in and out of Town so that both Town Centre and new edge of Town shops will benefit. I have put this idea forward on numerous occasions, since Helston is a growing Town in much need of developments which have been successful elsewhere in places like Hayle etc[/p][/quote]Notice you still don't answer the questions though, re MS Martin means Andrew Ferrie is chartered accountant and treasurer, that makes sense? Or the relevance to Porthleven electorate, on the other article. Yet you expect your questions answered on here. The reason no one takes up your suggestions of out of town shopping park, park and ride etc, is because no one has the money to do it or run it. If it was feasible it would have been done ages ago, if people don't want to invest in Helston then they don't want to, simple. Helston John
  • Score: -2

5:26pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
Ron and I have already stated we have no issues with anyone in Helston. I believe if people want to target others with any accusations then they should name people.
Having an opinion on the HBIP and its expenditure, does not necessarily mean someone has an issue with any landlord.
I think Cllr Wallis has got issues with Gill because she complained about the carpark and i think hes a bit handy with his temper and hes a Helston Cllr. Also I think Ron has issues with Cllr Knight and Cllr Radford Gaby judging by whats been said on here in the past. Only saying.
Your first sentence is conjecture or fact?
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: Ron and I have already stated we have no issues with anyone in Helston. I believe if people want to target others with any accusations then they should name people. Having an opinion on the HBIP and its expenditure, does not necessarily mean someone has an issue with any landlord.[/p][/quote]I think Cllr Wallis has got issues with Gill because she complained about the carpark and i think hes a bit handy with his temper and hes a Helston Cllr. Also I think Ron has issues with Cllr Knight and Cllr Radford Gaby judging by whats been said on here in the past. Only saying.[/p][/quote]Your first sentence is conjecture or fact? Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 5

9:19pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Helston John says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Is helztonboy Shirley?
Is telstar1962 Cllr. Wallis?
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Is helztonboy Shirley?[/p][/quote]Is telstar1962 Cllr. Wallis? Helston John
  • Score: 0

8:47am Tue 17 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

So there we have it.

The answer we are all looking for from Helston John

''Nobody wants to invest in Helston''

Apart from Tesco, Sainsbury, Lidl, Co-op, Estate Agents, Hairdressers,Charity Shops and Nail Parlours
So there we have it. The answer we are all looking for from Helston John ''Nobody wants to invest in Helston'' Apart from Tesco, Sainsbury, Lidl, Co-op, Estate Agents, Hairdressers,Charity Shops and Nail Parlours telstar1962
  • Score: 3

5:54pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

telstar1962 wrote:
So there we have it.

The answer we are all looking for from Helston John

''Nobody wants to invest in Helston''

Apart from Tesco, Sainsbury, Lidl, Co-op, Estate Agents, Hairdressers,Charity Shops and Nail Parlours
Lol, that's really funny, sorry, but your wording appeals to my sense of humour.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: So there we have it. The answer we are all looking for from Helston John ''Nobody wants to invest in Helston'' Apart from Tesco, Sainsbury, Lidl, Co-op, Estate Agents, Hairdressers,Charity Shops and Nail Parlours[/p][/quote]Lol, that's really funny, sorry, but your wording appeals to my sense of humour. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 4

7:58pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
Ron and I have already stated we have no issues with anyone in Helston. I believe if people want to target others with any accusations then they should name people.
Having an opinion on the HBIP and its expenditure, does not necessarily mean someone has an issue with any landlord.
I think Cllr Wallis has got issues with Gill because she complained about the carpark and i think hes a bit handy with his temper and hes a Helston Cllr. Also I think Ron has issues with Cllr Knight and Cllr Radford Gaby judging by whats been said on here in the past. Only saying.
Your first sentence is conjecture or fact?
I think you will find it's fact.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: Ron and I have already stated we have no issues with anyone in Helston. I believe if people want to target others with any accusations then they should name people. Having an opinion on the HBIP and its expenditure, does not necessarily mean someone has an issue with any landlord.[/p][/quote]I think Cllr Wallis has got issues with Gill because she complained about the carpark and i think hes a bit handy with his temper and hes a Helston Cllr. Also I think Ron has issues with Cllr Knight and Cllr Radford Gaby judging by whats been said on here in the past. Only saying.[/p][/quote]Your first sentence is conjecture or fact?[/p][/quote]I think you will find it's fact. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: -2

7:58pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
Ron and I have already stated we have no issues with anyone in Helston. I believe if people want to target others with any accusations then they should name people.
Having an opinion on the HBIP and its expenditure, does not necessarily mean someone has an issue with any landlord.
I think Cllr Wallis has got issues with Gill because she complained about the carpark and i think hes a bit handy with his temper and hes a Helston Cllr. Also I think Ron has issues with Cllr Knight and Cllr Radford Gaby judging by whats been said on here in the past. Only saying.
Your first sentence is conjecture or fact?
I think you will find it's fact.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: Ron and I have already stated we have no issues with anyone in Helston. I believe if people want to target others with any accusations then they should name people. Having an opinion on the HBIP and its expenditure, does not necessarily mean someone has an issue with any landlord.[/p][/quote]I think Cllr Wallis has got issues with Gill because she complained about the carpark and i think hes a bit handy with his temper and hes a Helston Cllr. Also I think Ron has issues with Cllr Knight and Cllr Radford Gaby judging by whats been said on here in the past. Only saying.[/p][/quote]Your first sentence is conjecture or fact?[/p][/quote]I think you will find it's fact. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: -1

8:27pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
Ron and I have already stated we have no issues with anyone in Helston. I believe if people want to target others with any accusations then they should name people.
Having an opinion on the HBIP and its expenditure, does not necessarily mean someone has an issue with any landlord.
I think Cllr Wallis has got issues with Gill because she complained about the carpark and i think hes a bit handy with his temper and hes a Helston Cllr. Also I think Ron has issues with Cllr Knight and Cllr Radford Gaby judging by whats been said on here in the past. Only saying.
Your first sentence is conjecture or fact?
I think you will find it's fact.
I am actually now perfectly aware of the fact that it is complete fiction in your first sentence. (apart from the obvious fact he is a Helston West Councillor, along with Porthleven)
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: Ron and I have already stated we have no issues with anyone in Helston. I believe if people want to target others with any accusations then they should name people. Having an opinion on the HBIP and its expenditure, does not necessarily mean someone has an issue with any landlord.[/p][/quote]I think Cllr Wallis has got issues with Gill because she complained about the carpark and i think hes a bit handy with his temper and hes a Helston Cllr. Also I think Ron has issues with Cllr Knight and Cllr Radford Gaby judging by whats been said on here in the past. Only saying.[/p][/quote]Your first sentence is conjecture or fact?[/p][/quote]I think you will find it's fact.[/p][/quote]I am actually now perfectly aware of the fact that it is complete fiction in your first sentence. (apart from the obvious fact he is a Helston West Councillor, along with Porthleven) Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 3

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