All change as overhaul of Helston parking discussed

Coinagehall Street may have 'herringbone' parking

Coinagehall Street may have 'herringbone' parking

First published in News

A shake up of car parking in Helston could be in the pipeline following discussions about how to transform facilities.

Martin Searle, town centre regeneration officer, has been in contact with Cornwall Council about ways to make it easier for shoppers to park in the town.

This includes the possibility of making the Trengrouse Way car park and the lower Trengrouse Way Extension the same car park, allowing shoppers to drive from one to the other without needing a separate ticket.

Another suggestion that could prove popular if implemented is the introduction of “blue bay” parking spaces, which would allow shoppers 30 minutes of free parking per day.

Drivers would need to put their registration numbers into the machine and are only allowed one such visit a day – a system that already operates in Penzance.

Similarly, the possibility was raised of bringing free parking forward to 3.30pm – from its existing 4pm start time – to allow parents and carers to visit the shops directly from the school run. Mr Searle was told that any changes in policy such as these should be discussed with the appropriate Cornwall Council division member, in this case Judith Haycock.

Mr Searle queried whether the introduction of a new pound coin in 2017 would provide the opportunity for new ticket machines in Cornwall Council car parks, including Helston.

This could allow for payment on exit, giving change and/or issuing tickets for free half-hour parking, rather than having to use the RINGO telephone registration system, as was trialled in Helston in the spring (its success is currently being reviewed).

He was told that while it was possible to convert machines to accept the new coins, as Helston’s equipment was already quite old, the council planned to change the machines in the foreseeable future.

However, the cost of installing equipment to pay on exit was “considerable” – approximately £37,000 per car park for installation and £42,800 per year for running costs, including tickets, maintenance and staffing. That being said, there were policy changes afoot that proposed no longer providing Blue Badge holders with free car parking, which might allow staffing to be reduced.

Discussions also took place over other parking areas in the town.

In response to a question over the fairground car park, the council said the surface was re-graded every spring but to provide a decent surface – such as uPVC or concrete lattice – would probably mean the introduction of parking charges.

Further talks are likely to take place in the near future on the potential impact of angled parking, such as “herringbone” spaces in Coinagehall Street, and more on-street parking on the north side of this street where there are currently yellow lines.

Mr Searle’s report of his conversation with Craig Taylor, West Cornwall area parking manager, is to be presented to members of Helston Town Council when they meet tomorrow, Thursday.

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8:23am Wed 18 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

It would be fascinating to see the detailed costing behind these staggeringly high figures mentioned in the news item totalling nearly £80,000 per car park !

Once again this shows that Local Government spending on such things is out of proportion to the task in hand, and that over a ten year time period these costs for ONE pay at exit car park, equal the amount of funds negotiated by Cornwall Council in connection with the Planning monies donated by the Supermarkets (where car-parking is free !)
I wish Mr Searle well in his dealings with Cornwall Council
I will continue my practice of parking in Tesco car park and walking into Town, ensuring I am back within my allotted free time.
(Exercise is good for you) For others less able, I understand you have concessions in some car parks
It would be fascinating to see the detailed costing behind these staggeringly high figures mentioned in the news item totalling nearly £80,000 per car park ! Once again this shows that Local Government spending on such things is out of proportion to the task in hand, and that over a ten year time period these costs for ONE pay at exit car park, equal the amount of funds negotiated by Cornwall Council in connection with the Planning monies donated by the Supermarkets (where car-parking is free !) I wish Mr Searle well in his dealings with Cornwall Council I will continue my practice of parking in Tesco car park and walking into Town, ensuring I am back within my allotted free time. (Exercise is good for you) For others less able, I understand you have concessions in some car parks telstar1962
  • Score: 6

9:32am Wed 18 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

I don't know how Council's came to be run/organised the way they are, but in my opinion, there is so much to be done to make them cost effective and more efficient. It takes forever for anything to get done with all the tickboxes and red tape and going out to tender and using expensive contractors.
*sighs despairingly*
I don't know how Council's came to be run/organised the way they are, but in my opinion, there is so much to be done to make them cost effective and more efficient. It takes forever for anything to get done with all the tickboxes and red tape and going out to tender and using expensive contractors. *sighs despairingly* krazyitchkatie
  • Score: -4

11:48am Wed 18 Jun 14

Self employed work monkey says...

When is there going to be something done to allow people who work in Helston cheaper/free parking in the local car parks to stop them clogging up the roads in the surrounding Helston areas and causing problems such as which have recently been reported in the local paper?
Not another council caused then ignored problem surely?
When is there going to be something done to allow people who work in Helston cheaper/free parking in the local car parks to stop them clogging up the roads in the surrounding Helston areas and causing problems such as which have recently been reported in the local paper? Not another council caused then ignored problem surely? Self employed work monkey
  • Score: -12

11:57am Wed 18 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Self employed work monkey wrote:
When is there going to be something done to allow people who work in Helston cheaper/free parking in the local car parks to stop them clogging up the roads in the surrounding Helston areas and causing problems such as which have recently been reported in the local paper?
Not another council caused then ignored problem surely?
That, I believe, is the exact reason the council won't do free parking schemes generally, because rather than encourage shoppers, they get used up by locals and workers. So there is no benefit to the businesses/footfall/
tourism/council pockets
[quote][p][bold]Self employed work monkey[/bold] wrote: When is there going to be something done to allow people who work in Helston cheaper/free parking in the local car parks to stop them clogging up the roads in the surrounding Helston areas and causing problems such as which have recently been reported in the local paper? Not another council caused then ignored problem surely?[/p][/quote]That, I believe, is the exact reason the council won't do free parking schemes generally, because rather than encourage shoppers, they get used up by locals and workers. So there is no benefit to the businesses/footfall/ tourism/council pockets krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 4

6:15pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

I do not really think Cornwall Council would be able to justify that type of expenditure, having made cuts to essential services.
I believe some of the section 106 money should have been used right from the start, to address some of the parking issues.
I do not really think Cornwall Council would be able to justify that type of expenditure, having made cuts to essential services. I believe some of the section 106 money should have been used right from the start, to address some of the parking issues. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 9

7:35pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Helston John says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
I don't know how Council's came to be run/organised the way they are, but in my opinion, there is so much to be done to make them cost effective and more efficient. It takes forever for anything to get done with all the tickboxes and red tape and going out to tender and using expensive contractors.
*sighs despairingly*
It's called the government.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: I don't know how Council's came to be run/organised the way they are, but in my opinion, there is so much to be done to make them cost effective and more efficient. It takes forever for anything to get done with all the tickboxes and red tape and going out to tender and using expensive contractors. *sighs despairingly*[/p][/quote]It's called the government. Helston John
  • Score: 12

7:54pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Helston John says...

Makes me laugh, 800 grand Helston got and much of its been wasted on daft things, and wages, now Martin Searles going cap in hand expecting CC to cough up and spend money on Helstons car parks. All those public meetings, parking was brought up as priority, and herringbone parking was dismissed, now this far down the line with the money running out, Martin Searle suddenly thinks ah, parking,,,,, And where's this fund matching money that he was supposed to find,,,,,
Makes me laugh, 800 grand Helston got and much of its been wasted on daft things, and wages, now Martin Searles going cap in hand expecting CC to cough up and spend money on Helstons car parks. All those public meetings, parking was brought up as priority, and herringbone parking was dismissed, now this far down the line with the money running out, Martin Searle suddenly thinks ah, parking,,,,, And where's this fund matching money that he was supposed to find,,,,, Helston John
  • Score: 12

9:09pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

What is Mr Searle chatting about, why would anyone want to change from the Trengrouse Way carpark to the Trengrouse Way extention carpark when they're are right next to each other, and the council already tell you to buy a ticket from the machine in the other part of the carpark if the bottom one isnt working.
What is Mr Searle chatting about, why would anyone want to change from the Trengrouse Way carpark to the Trengrouse Way extention carpark when they're are right next to each other, and the council already tell you to buy a ticket from the machine in the other part of the carpark if the bottom one isnt working. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 7

9:17pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

Make more sense to have transferable tickets from Tyack Road to Trengrouse Way. How much does this regeneration man really know about Helston. Reckon its him that slows things down not the council.
Make more sense to have transferable tickets from Tyack Road to Trengrouse Way. How much does this regeneration man really know about Helston. Reckon its him that slows things down not the council. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 7

9:51pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Helston John says...

telstar1962 wrote:
It would be fascinating to see the detailed costing behind these staggeringly high figures mentioned in the news item totalling nearly £80,000 per car park !

Once again this shows that Local Government spending on such things is out of proportion to the task in hand, and that over a ten year time period these costs for ONE pay at exit car park, equal the amount of funds negotiated by Cornwall Council in connection with the Planning monies donated by the Supermarkets (where car-parking is free !)
I wish Mr Searle well in his dealings with Cornwall Council
I will continue my practice of parking in Tesco car park and walking into Town, ensuring I am back within my allotted free time.
(Exercise is good for you) For others less able, I understand you have concessions in some car parks
"I wish Mr Searle well in his dealings with Cornwall Council"

I wish Cornwall Council well in their dealings with Mr Searle,,,,
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: It would be fascinating to see the detailed costing behind these staggeringly high figures mentioned in the news item totalling nearly £80,000 per car park ! Once again this shows that Local Government spending on such things is out of proportion to the task in hand, and that over a ten year time period these costs for ONE pay at exit car park, equal the amount of funds negotiated by Cornwall Council in connection with the Planning monies donated by the Supermarkets (where car-parking is free !) I wish Mr Searle well in his dealings with Cornwall Council I will continue my practice of parking in Tesco car park and walking into Town, ensuring I am back within my allotted free time. (Exercise is good for you) For others less able, I understand you have concessions in some car parks[/p][/quote]"I wish Mr Searle well in his dealings with Cornwall Council" I wish Cornwall Council well in their dealings with Mr Searle,,,, Helston John
  • Score: 4

6:55am Thu 19 Jun 14

Helston John says...

telstar1962 wrote:
It would be fascinating to see the detailed costing behind these staggeringly high figures mentioned in the news item totalling nearly £80,000 per car park !

Once again this shows that Local Government spending on such things is out of proportion to the task in hand, and that over a ten year time period these costs for ONE pay at exit car park, equal the amount of funds negotiated by Cornwall Council in connection with the Planning monies donated by the Supermarkets (where car-parking is free !)
I wish Mr Searle well in his dealings with Cornwall Council
I will continue my practice of parking in Tesco car park and walking into Town, ensuring I am back within my allotted free time.
(Exercise is good for you) For others less able, I understand you have concessions in some car parks
Not much help to elderly people to park in Tescos carpark and walk into town, and not all of them have blue badge parking facilities. As for Martin Searles suggestion of bays with thirty minutes free parking in the car parks, as he ever tried walking the speed of an elderly person from the car parks to the town, thirty minutes is not long enough. All these parking discussions were discussed ages ago, he should have discussed it CC ages ago. It's just more talks and more meetings,,,,
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: It would be fascinating to see the detailed costing behind these staggeringly high figures mentioned in the news item totalling nearly £80,000 per car park ! Once again this shows that Local Government spending on such things is out of proportion to the task in hand, and that over a ten year time period these costs for ONE pay at exit car park, equal the amount of funds negotiated by Cornwall Council in connection with the Planning monies donated by the Supermarkets (where car-parking is free !) I wish Mr Searle well in his dealings with Cornwall Council I will continue my practice of parking in Tesco car park and walking into Town, ensuring I am back within my allotted free time. (Exercise is good for you) For others less able, I understand you have concessions in some car parks[/p][/quote]Not much help to elderly people to park in Tescos carpark and walk into town, and not all of them have blue badge parking facilities. As for Martin Searles suggestion of bays with thirty minutes free parking in the car parks, as he ever tried walking the speed of an elderly person from the car parks to the town, thirty minutes is not long enough. All these parking discussions were discussed ages ago, he should have discussed it CC ages ago. It's just more talks and more meetings,,,, Helston John
  • Score: 4

8:17am Thu 19 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

Helston John wrote:
telstar1962 wrote:
It would be fascinating to see the detailed costing behind these staggeringly high figures mentioned in the news item totalling nearly £80,000 per car park !

Once again this shows that Local Government spending on such things is out of proportion to the task in hand, and that over a ten year time period these costs for ONE pay at exit car park, equal the amount of funds negotiated by Cornwall Council in connection with the Planning monies donated by the Supermarkets (where car-parking is free !)
I wish Mr Searle well in his dealings with Cornwall Council
I will continue my practice of parking in Tesco car park and walking into Town, ensuring I am back within my allotted free time.
(Exercise is good for you) For others less able, I understand you have concessions in some car parks
Not much help to elderly people to park in Tescos carpark and walk into town, and not all of them have blue badge parking facilities. As for Martin Searles suggestion of bays with thirty minutes free parking in the car parks, as he ever tried walking the speed of an elderly person from the car parks to the town, thirty minutes is not long enough. All these parking discussions were discussed ages ago, he should have discussed it CC ages ago. It's just more talks and more meetings,,,,
I am not purposefully discriminating against less able or older people, but just suggesting ways and means of the majority of the population ( who are able-bodied) to take advantage of the Supermarkets very generous offer of free parking on their splendid large car parks, and wander into town, which is only a few minutes walk away.

There are sufficient spaces for blue badges in the existing car parks, but more could be added

You see, a big problem is that the vast majority of people are just too lazy to walk anywhere for more than a mile: the children are allowed to sit in front of the TV and computers all day and night, and the nation is fast becoming involved in an epidemic of obesity.

However, until you have a decent range of shops for all tastes and pockets, including more large well known Nationals in the area as I have previously described, then the money will have run out, there will be less people in jobs with fancy titles, but it will still be easy to spend in your favourite Charity shops and get your hair and nails done lol
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: It would be fascinating to see the detailed costing behind these staggeringly high figures mentioned in the news item totalling nearly £80,000 per car park ! Once again this shows that Local Government spending on such things is out of proportion to the task in hand, and that over a ten year time period these costs for ONE pay at exit car park, equal the amount of funds negotiated by Cornwall Council in connection with the Planning monies donated by the Supermarkets (where car-parking is free !) I wish Mr Searle well in his dealings with Cornwall Council I will continue my practice of parking in Tesco car park and walking into Town, ensuring I am back within my allotted free time. (Exercise is good for you) For others less able, I understand you have concessions in some car parks[/p][/quote]Not much help to elderly people to park in Tescos carpark and walk into town, and not all of them have blue badge parking facilities. As for Martin Searles suggestion of bays with thirty minutes free parking in the car parks, as he ever tried walking the speed of an elderly person from the car parks to the town, thirty minutes is not long enough. All these parking discussions were discussed ages ago, he should have discussed it CC ages ago. It's just more talks and more meetings,,,,[/p][/quote]I am not purposefully discriminating against less able or older people, but just suggesting ways and means of the majority of the population ( who are able-bodied) to take advantage of the Supermarkets very generous offer of free parking on their splendid large car parks, and wander into town, which is only a few minutes walk away. There are sufficient spaces for blue badges in the existing car parks, but more could be added You see, a big problem is that the vast majority of people are just too lazy to walk anywhere for more than a mile: the children are allowed to sit in front of the TV and computers all day and night, and the nation is fast becoming involved in an epidemic of obesity. However, until you have a decent range of shops for all tastes and pockets, including more large well known Nationals in the area as I have previously described, then the money will have run out, there will be less people in jobs with fancy titles, but it will still be easy to spend in your favourite Charity shops and get your hair and nails done lol telstar1962
  • Score: 6

8:07am Fri 20 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

What a load of nonsense. There is all most nothing mentioned here that will do anything to help the town centre.
Doesn't anyone read the news with reference to county council spending and moving your car from one end trengrouse way car park to the other, just plain silly.
What is needed is a maximization of free on street parking in the town centre to increase passing trade.
What a load of nonsense. There is all most nothing mentioned here that will do anything to help the town centre. Doesn't anyone read the news with reference to county council spending and moving your car from one end trengrouse way car park to the other, just plain silly. What is needed is a maximization of free on street parking in the town centre to increase passing trade. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 7

9:15am Fri 20 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
What a load of nonsense. There is all most nothing mentioned here that will do anything to help the town centre.
Doesn't anyone read the news with reference to county council spending and moving your car from one end trengrouse way car park to the other, just plain silly.
What is needed is a maximization of free on street parking in the town centre to increase passing trade.
I take your point Ron, but Helston needs to attract passing trade, but more importantly for the shop-keepers and business owners, they need footfall which stays in Helston for more than 30 minutes or 60 minutes.

How on earth can any Town Centre survive by motorists just stopping at the side of the road, nipping in to a couple of shops for a couple of items, before the men in uniform slap an £80 fine on you because your car has been by the side of the road for 40 minutes.

It's a winning stategy from Cornwall Council, and this method collects a vast sum of money in fines every year, and only encourages the mentality of 'Welcome to Helston, Home of the Quick Visit'
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: What a load of nonsense. There is all most nothing mentioned here that will do anything to help the town centre. Doesn't anyone read the news with reference to county council spending and moving your car from one end trengrouse way car park to the other, just plain silly. What is needed is a maximization of free on street parking in the town centre to increase passing trade.[/p][/quote]I take your point Ron, but Helston needs to attract passing trade, but more importantly for the shop-keepers and business owners, they need footfall which stays in Helston for more than 30 minutes or 60 minutes. How on earth can any Town Centre survive by motorists just stopping at the side of the road, nipping in to a couple of shops for a couple of items, before the men in uniform slap an £80 fine on you because your car has been by the side of the road for 40 minutes. It's a winning stategy from Cornwall Council, and this method collects a vast sum of money in fines every year, and only encourages the mentality of 'Welcome to Helston, Home of the Quick Visit' telstar1962
  • Score: 4

9:27am Fri 20 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

telstar1962 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
What a load of nonsense. There is all most nothing mentioned here that will do anything to help the town centre.
Doesn't anyone read the news with reference to county council spending and moving your car from one end trengrouse way car park to the other, just plain silly.
What is needed is a maximization of free on street parking in the town centre to increase passing trade.
I take your point Ron, but Helston needs to attract passing trade, but more importantly for the shop-keepers and business owners, they need footfall which stays in Helston for more than 30 minutes or 60 minutes.

How on earth can any Town Centre survive by motorists just stopping at the side of the road, nipping in to a couple of shops for a couple of items, before the men in uniform slap an £80 fine on you because your car has been by the side of the road for 40 minutes.

It's a winning stategy from Cornwall Council, and this method collects a vast sum of money in fines every year, and only encourages the mentality of 'Welcome to Helston, Home of the Quick Visit'
I agree it is not the solution but by making the town more convenient for people they may start to use it again. Most people at present never use the town centre preferring other towns.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: What a load of nonsense. There is all most nothing mentioned here that will do anything to help the town centre. Doesn't anyone read the news with reference to county council spending and moving your car from one end trengrouse way car park to the other, just plain silly. What is needed is a maximization of free on street parking in the town centre to increase passing trade.[/p][/quote]I take your point Ron, but Helston needs to attract passing trade, but more importantly for the shop-keepers and business owners, they need footfall which stays in Helston for more than 30 minutes or 60 minutes. How on earth can any Town Centre survive by motorists just stopping at the side of the road, nipping in to a couple of shops for a couple of items, before the men in uniform slap an £80 fine on you because your car has been by the side of the road for 40 minutes. It's a winning stategy from Cornwall Council, and this method collects a vast sum of money in fines every year, and only encourages the mentality of 'Welcome to Helston, Home of the Quick Visit'[/p][/quote]I agree it is not the solution but by making the town more convenient for people they may start to use it again. Most people at present never use the town centre preferring other towns. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 7

1:34pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

I personally always park in Tyack Road car-park, and generally spend at least two hours in town, in my opinion, compared with some other, what I deem decent, tourist destinations throughout the country, I believe the price is reasonable.
I agree with telstar, the town needs additional trade to that of passing, however, I agree with Ron, free on street parking should have been the priority, passing, is quite a big percentage of trade in Helston. I believe the section 106 money should have been used to implement a major parking initiative from the start, as a priority.

According to Mr Martins Searles report at last nights town council meeting, many of the parking issues have been referred to Councillor Judith Haycock for attention, and a further report on the outcome will be brought back to the council at a future meeting!
I personally always park in Tyack Road car-park, and generally spend at least two hours in town, in my opinion, compared with some other, what I deem decent, tourist destinations throughout the country, I believe the price is reasonable. I agree with telstar, the town needs additional trade to that of passing, however, I agree with Ron, free on street parking should have been the priority, passing, is quite a big percentage of trade in Helston. I believe the section 106 money should have been used to implement a major parking initiative from the start, as a priority. According to Mr Martins Searles report at last nights town council meeting, many of the parking issues have been referred to Councillor Judith Haycock for attention, and a further report on the outcome will be brought back to the council at a future meeting! Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 6

3:03pm Fri 20 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

So Gillian, are we back to having talks about when the next discussions, about the next meeting, will be held ? lol

Oh, and when will that report in triplicate be issued ?
So Gillian, are we back to having talks about when the next discussions, about the next meeting, will be held ? lol Oh, and when will that report in triplicate be issued ? telstar1962
  • Score: 4

3:31pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

telstar1962 wrote:
So Gillian, are we back to having talks about when the next discussions, about the next meeting, will be held ? lol

Oh, and when will that report in triplicate be issued ?
Public Realm Framework.

At the previous Board meeting it had been noted that an essential first step is to produce an up-to-date survey drawing of the main streets to provide the baseline for future work. The board had not been able to make a decision between two options for producing the survey, one involving community participation, and the other professional surveyors, pending receipt of further information, including a 'ball park' estimate.

The TCRO advised that the estimate had now been received. Board members felt that the estimated price for the work was reasonable considering the size of the area and the level of detail required. It was considered that pursuing the survey via professional surveyors should be the preferred option because this would produce quicker and more accurate results than carrying out the work through community volunteers under supervision. Etc etc etc.

I conclude, at the speed decisions are made, we can safely say there are plenty more meetings to come, and plenty more professionals to pay!!!
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: So Gillian, are we back to having talks about when the next discussions, about the next meeting, will be held ? lol Oh, and when will that report in triplicate be issued ?[/p][/quote]Public Realm Framework. At the previous Board meeting it had been noted that an essential first step is to produce an up-to-date survey drawing of the main streets to provide the baseline for future work. The board had not been able to make a decision between two options for producing the survey, one involving community participation, and the other professional surveyors, pending receipt of further information, including a 'ball park' estimate. The TCRO advised that the estimate had now been received. Board members felt that the estimated price for the work was reasonable considering the size of the area and the level of detail required. It was considered that pursuing the survey via professional surveyors should be the preferred option because this would produce quicker and more accurate results than carrying out the work through community volunteers under supervision. Etc etc etc. I conclude, at the speed decisions are made, we can safely say there are plenty more meetings to come, and plenty more professionals to pay!!! Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 6

4:08pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

The town centre regeneration officers mobile phone expenses are over £60 a month, paid by the town council, so presumably he must spend a lot of time on the phone out of the office, or does he not have an office, with access to an office landline phone? Even if hasn't, over £60 a month seems quite a bit, or are 02 much more expensive than Vodafone?
The town centre regeneration officers mobile phone expenses are over £60 a month, paid by the town council, so presumably he must spend a lot of time on the phone out of the office, or does he not have an office, with access to an office landline phone? Even if hasn't, over £60 a month seems quite a bit, or are 02 much more expensive than Vodafone? Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 4

4:26pm Fri 20 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

Thanks once again goes to the Packet's unofficial correspondent on all things to do with Council/Civic information.

I'm sure many readers follow Gillian's comments on here for the explanations behind local news, just as much as they do to read the news items themselves.

So,when does 'All change' happen ?
Thanks once again goes to the Packet's unofficial correspondent on all things to do with Council/Civic information. I'm sure many readers follow Gillian's comments on here for the explanations behind local news, just as much as they do to read the news items themselves. So,when does 'All change' happen ? telstar1962
  • Score: 5

5:18pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Well now Mr Telstar, the proposed PRF (presumably, public frame work) would provide Helston with a public realm plan to guide action and investment over a lengthy period of time. For the sake of consistency, an end date of 2030, yes 2030, it's not a typo, had been suggested to align with the timescale for the Helston Town Framework, the planning document currently under preparation by Cornwall Council in consultation with the local community that sets out the vision for sustainable growth of the urban area and hinterland of the town.

My worded alternative is, the public realm work will go on until the money runs out, the HBIP along with the town council will just continue with their good work, and in the meantime the town centre regeneration officer will continue to have meetings with Cornwall Council as he has now decided they should pay for a parking initiative because he hasn't got enough money for it, so its much easier to put the Cornwall Councillors in the frame so they take the criticism for everything that does not materialise.
Well now Mr Telstar, the proposed PRF (presumably, public frame work) would provide Helston with a public realm plan to guide action and investment over a lengthy period of time. For the sake of consistency, an end date of 2030, yes 2030, it's not a typo, had been suggested to align with the timescale for the Helston Town Framework, the planning document currently under preparation by Cornwall Council in consultation with the local community that sets out the vision for sustainable growth of the urban area and hinterland of the town. My worded alternative is, the public realm work will go on until the money runs out, the HBIP along with the town council will just continue with their good work, and in the meantime the town centre regeneration officer will continue to have meetings with Cornwall Council as he has now decided they should pay for a parking initiative because he hasn't got enough money for it, so its much easier to put the Cornwall Councillors in the frame so they take the criticism for everything that does not materialise. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 5

8:38pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Helston John says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
telstar1962 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
What a load of nonsense. There is all most nothing mentioned here that will do anything to help the town centre.
Doesn't anyone read the news with reference to county council spending and moving your car from one end trengrouse way car park to the other, just plain silly.
What is needed is a maximization of free on street parking in the town centre to increase passing trade.
I take your point Ron, but Helston needs to attract passing trade, but more importantly for the shop-keepers and business owners, they need footfall which stays in Helston for more than 30 minutes or 60 minutes.

How on earth can any Town Centre survive by motorists just stopping at the side of the road, nipping in to a couple of shops for a couple of items, before the men in uniform slap an £80 fine on you because your car has been by the side of the road for 40 minutes.

It's a winning stategy from Cornwall Council, and this method collects a vast sum of money in fines every year, and only encourages the mentality of 'Welcome to Helston, Home of the Quick Visit'
I agree it is not the solution but by making the town more convenient for people they may start to use it again. Most people at present never use the town centre preferring other towns.
If you go to other towns you have to pay petrol and parking or bus fares, so not much point going unless for a specific shop.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: What a load of nonsense. There is all most nothing mentioned here that will do anything to help the town centre. Doesn't anyone read the news with reference to county council spending and moving your car from one end trengrouse way car park to the other, just plain silly. What is needed is a maximization of free on street parking in the town centre to increase passing trade.[/p][/quote]I take your point Ron, but Helston needs to attract passing trade, but more importantly for the shop-keepers and business owners, they need footfall which stays in Helston for more than 30 minutes or 60 minutes. How on earth can any Town Centre survive by motorists just stopping at the side of the road, nipping in to a couple of shops for a couple of items, before the men in uniform slap an £80 fine on you because your car has been by the side of the road for 40 minutes. It's a winning stategy from Cornwall Council, and this method collects a vast sum of money in fines every year, and only encourages the mentality of 'Welcome to Helston, Home of the Quick Visit'[/p][/quote]I agree it is not the solution but by making the town more convenient for people they may start to use it again. Most people at present never use the town centre preferring other towns.[/p][/quote]If you go to other towns you have to pay petrol and parking or bus fares, so not much point going unless for a specific shop. Helston John
  • Score: 2

8:39pm Fri 20 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
Well now Mr Telstar, the proposed PRF (presumably, public frame work) would provide Helston with a public realm plan to guide action and investment over a lengthy period of time. For the sake of consistency, an end date of 2030, yes 2030, it's not a typo, had been suggested to align with the timescale for the Helston Town Framework, the planning document currently under preparation by Cornwall Council in consultation with the local community that sets out the vision for sustainable growth of the urban area and hinterland of the town.

My worded alternative is, the public realm work will go on until the money runs out, the HBIP along with the town council will just continue with their good work, and in the meantime the town centre regeneration officer will continue to have meetings with Cornwall Council as he has now decided they should pay for a parking initiative because he hasn't got enough money for it, so its much easier to put the Cornwall Councillors in the frame so they take the criticism for everything that does not materialise.
Makes you wonder how on earth we managed all those years without a regenerating officer.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: Well now Mr Telstar, the proposed PRF (presumably, public frame work) would provide Helston with a public realm plan to guide action and investment over a lengthy period of time. For the sake of consistency, an end date of 2030, yes 2030, it's not a typo, had been suggested to align with the timescale for the Helston Town Framework, the planning document currently under preparation by Cornwall Council in consultation with the local community that sets out the vision for sustainable growth of the urban area and hinterland of the town. My worded alternative is, the public realm work will go on until the money runs out, the HBIP along with the town council will just continue with their good work, and in the meantime the town centre regeneration officer will continue to have meetings with Cornwall Council as he has now decided they should pay for a parking initiative because he hasn't got enough money for it, so its much easier to put the Cornwall Councillors in the frame so they take the criticism for everything that does not materialise.[/p][/quote]Makes you wonder how on earth we managed all those years without a regenerating officer. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 5

8:47pm Fri 20 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Helston John wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
telstar1962 wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
What a load of nonsense. There is all most nothing mentioned here that will do anything to help the town centre.
Doesn't anyone read the news with reference to county council spending and moving your car from one end trengrouse way car park to the other, just plain silly.
What is needed is a maximization of free on street parking in the town centre to increase passing trade.
I take your point Ron, but Helston needs to attract passing trade, but more importantly for the shop-keepers and business owners, they need footfall which stays in Helston for more than 30 minutes or 60 minutes.

How on earth can any Town Centre survive by motorists just stopping at the side of the road, nipping in to a couple of shops for a couple of items, before the men in uniform slap an £80 fine on you because your car has been by the side of the road for 40 minutes.

It's a winning stategy from Cornwall Council, and this method collects a vast sum of money in fines every year, and only encourages the mentality of 'Welcome to Helston, Home of the Quick Visit'
I agree it is not the solution but by making the town more convenient for people they may start to use it again. Most people at present never use the town centre preferring other towns.
If you go to other towns you have to pay petrol and parking or bus fares, so not much point going unless for a specific shop.
That is true but nearby towns and cities gain from the lack of retailers in the town. On th bright side of couse for those in need of a haircut Helston is the mecca.
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: What a load of nonsense. There is all most nothing mentioned here that will do anything to help the town centre. Doesn't anyone read the news with reference to county council spending and moving your car from one end trengrouse way car park to the other, just plain silly. What is needed is a maximization of free on street parking in the town centre to increase passing trade.[/p][/quote]I take your point Ron, but Helston needs to attract passing trade, but more importantly for the shop-keepers and business owners, they need footfall which stays in Helston for more than 30 minutes or 60 minutes. How on earth can any Town Centre survive by motorists just stopping at the side of the road, nipping in to a couple of shops for a couple of items, before the men in uniform slap an £80 fine on you because your car has been by the side of the road for 40 minutes. It's a winning stategy from Cornwall Council, and this method collects a vast sum of money in fines every year, and only encourages the mentality of 'Welcome to Helston, Home of the Quick Visit'[/p][/quote]I agree it is not the solution but by making the town more convenient for people they may start to use it again. Most people at present never use the town centre preferring other towns.[/p][/quote]If you go to other towns you have to pay petrol and parking or bus fares, so not much point going unless for a specific shop.[/p][/quote]That is true but nearby towns and cities gain from the lack of retailers in the town. On th bright side of couse for those in need of a haircut Helston is the mecca. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 4

8:55pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

I agree Ron, personally I think the job is superfluous, if they had employed someone that got on and did something without the need to develop a board of people etc and have endless meetings, it wouldn't be so bad. If a firm pays an employee to carry out a specific role, that person doesn't form a board to make the decisions. The council is already there to liaise with.

Take the Cornwall Councillors for example, they have a cabinet that votes on decisions, but each individual cabinet member goes out and works and makes some decisions on their own, they don't all set up another board or group to help them make individual decisions and have endless meetings.
I agree Ron, personally I think the job is superfluous, if they had employed someone that got on and did something without the need to develop a board of people etc and have endless meetings, it wouldn't be so bad. If a firm pays an employee to carry out a specific role, that person doesn't form a board to make the decisions. The council is already there to liaise with. Take the Cornwall Councillors for example, they have a cabinet that votes on decisions, but each individual cabinet member goes out and works and makes some decisions on their own, they don't all set up another board or group to help them make individual decisions and have endless meetings. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 5

9:00pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Helston John says...

Does anyone know what qualifications Mr Searle has, or experience relevant to his position, up and above the qualifications, experience, knowledge, of the town councillors?
Does anyone know what qualifications Mr Searle has, or experience relevant to his position, up and above the qualifications, experience, knowledge, of the town councillors? Helston John
  • Score: 4

9:30pm Fri 20 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
I agree Ron, personally I think the job is superfluous, if they had employed someone that got on and did something without the need to develop a board of people etc and have endless meetings, it wouldn't be so bad. If a firm pays an employee to carry out a specific role, that person doesn't form a board to make the decisions. The council is already there to liaise with.

Take the Cornwall Councillors for example, they have a cabinet that votes on decisions, but each individual cabinet member goes out and works and makes some decisions on their own, they don't all set up another board or group to help them make individual decisions and have endless meetings.
I agree completely you would of thought when the position was created a complete job description would of been made available to the public. Regeneration officer is vague and an unnecessary link in the chain that has slowed down any progress in the town.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: I agree Ron, personally I think the job is superfluous, if they had employed someone that got on and did something without the need to develop a board of people etc and have endless meetings, it wouldn't be so bad. If a firm pays an employee to carry out a specific role, that person doesn't form a board to make the decisions. The council is already there to liaise with. Take the Cornwall Councillors for example, they have a cabinet that votes on decisions, but each individual cabinet member goes out and works and makes some decisions on their own, they don't all set up another board or group to help them make individual decisions and have endless meetings.[/p][/quote]I agree completely you would of thought when the position was created a complete job description would of been made available to the public. Regeneration officer is vague and an unnecessary link in the chain that has slowed down any progress in the town. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 6

9:32pm Fri 20 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Helston John wrote:
Does anyone know what qualifications Mr Searle has, or experience relevant to his position, up and above the qualifications, experience, knowledge, of the town councillors?
Well I don't. Would be interesting to know what other towns he has rejuvenated.
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know what qualifications Mr Searle has, or experience relevant to his position, up and above the qualifications, experience, knowledge, of the town councillors?[/p][/quote]Well I don't. Would be interesting to know what other towns he has rejuvenated. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 6

9:42pm Fri 20 Jun 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
The town centre regeneration officers mobile phone expenses are over £60 a month, paid by the town council, so presumably he must spend a lot of time on the phone out of the office, or does he not have an office, with access to an office landline phone? Even if hasn't, over £60 a month seems quite a bit, or are 02 much more expensive than Vodafone?
I suspect they are on the wrong plan if this is what they are spending. I know orange actually have a help plan for people who are confused with mobile charges.
Unlimited everything is £22.99 a month
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: The town centre regeneration officers mobile phone expenses are over £60 a month, paid by the town council, so presumably he must spend a lot of time on the phone out of the office, or does he not have an office, with access to an office landline phone? Even if hasn't, over £60 a month seems quite a bit, or are 02 much more expensive than Vodafone?[/p][/quote]I suspect they are on the wrong plan if this is what they are spending. I know orange actually have a help plan for people who are confused with mobile charges. Unlimited everything is £22.99 a month ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 4

10:07pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Helston John wrote:
Does anyone know what qualifications Mr Searle has, or experience relevant to his position, up and above the qualifications, experience, knowledge, of the town councillors?
Well I don't. Would be interesting to know what other towns he has rejuvenated.
Mr Searle previously worked for Caradon District Council and Carrick District Council where he was community regeneration manager.
He also managed the restoration of Gyllyingdune Gardens in Falmouth. He also carried out applications for European grants to fund the development of the moor in Falmouth and Lemon Quay in Truro.
He also had a hands on role in setting up the BID in Truro.

His own words were "from experience I know that fairly significant schemes that involve grant funding and partnership working take a long time to plan and deliver" "Given that my job is only initially for two years I would like to find some things we can do in a shorter period of time"

It is all in the Packet archives.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know what qualifications Mr Searle has, or experience relevant to his position, up and above the qualifications, experience, knowledge, of the town councillors?[/p][/quote]Well I don't. Would be interesting to know what other towns he has rejuvenated.[/p][/quote]Mr Searle previously worked for Caradon District Council and Carrick District Council where he was community regeneration manager. He also managed the restoration of Gyllyingdune Gardens in Falmouth. He also carried out applications for European grants to fund the development of the moor in Falmouth and Lemon Quay in Truro. He also had a hands on role in setting up the BID in Truro. His own words were "from experience I know that fairly significant schemes that involve grant funding and partnership working take a long time to plan and deliver" "Given that my job is only initially for two years I would like to find some things we can do in a shorter period of time" It is all in the Packet archives. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 5

10:36pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Helston John says...

Oh and of course the council always have a great sense of expenses don't they?

Take a long time to plan and deliver, he's not kidding is he,,,,,

He sounds like a landscape gardener to me,,,,

Couldn't they have picked someone that worked previously for the private sector instead of ex council.
Oh and of course the council always have a great sense of expenses don't they? Take a long time to plan and deliver, he's not kidding is he,,,,, He sounds like a landscape gardener to me,,,, Couldn't they have picked someone that worked previously for the private sector instead of ex council. Helston John
  • Score: 6

6:19am Sat 21 Jun 14

Helston John says...

Found it in the archives, in 2013 when he started the job, he comes from threemilestone.
Found it in the archives, in 2013 when he started the job, he comes from threemilestone. Helston John
  • Score: 2

3:37pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Helston John says...

The regeneration officer will be given four key tasks by the town council: to promote Helston town centre as a 'retail, commercial and entertainment centre', broaden the town's attractiveness to residents and visitors, develop 'physical improvements' and effective local services, and look for additional funding for the above,,,,,

Right then, is there an update on the additional funding? He's been in the job over a year hasn't he?

What exactly has he done other than provide the entertainment bit?
The regeneration officer will be given four key tasks by the town council: to promote Helston town centre as a 'retail, commercial and entertainment centre', broaden the town's attractiveness to residents and visitors, develop 'physical improvements' and effective local services, and look for additional funding for the above,,,,, Right then, is there an update on the additional funding? He's been in the job over a year hasn't he? What exactly has he done other than provide the entertainment bit? Helston John
  • Score: 2

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