Fines on the way as rubbish being thrown around Helston with 'gay abandon'

Falmouth Packet: Fines on the way as rubbish being thrown around Helston with 'gay abandon' Fines on the way as rubbish being thrown around Helston with 'gay abandon'

Rubbish collectors were forced to pick up litter on their hands and knees in Helston last week due to the actions of “social deviants” and the “lack of civilisation” by some residents.

This was the news after Jude Carroll, who lives in Wendron Street, complained about the state of the town following the weekly rubbish collection when she attended the town council meeting last Thursday.

As a result, a crackdown has begun that will see offenders fined.

Mrs Carroll said she was “ashamed” to live in a street where rubbish was put out in just a bin bag, not covered or in a dustbin – meaning seagulls attacked them, strewing letter everywhere.

She said: “I think our refuse collectors are brilliant. I think their job is probably made harder by the people who show such little feeling about the community they’re in.

“I’m ashamed to be part of this street that looks this messy. I think if anybody drives through the town who might be thinking of coming for a holiday or opening a business they would just keep on driving if they happened to pass through early on Wednesday.

“I walk out of my front door and I’ve got rubbish on the right of me, on the left of me and across the street from me. I can’t understand why people in this town have so little sense or lack of civilisation to put out rubbish in ordinary black bags.”

She predicted this would be the same situation all through this summer, just as it was last summer.

Councillor Jonathan Radford-Gaby agreed, saying: “I was standing in the window watching the refuse collectors and, God bless them, they were on their hands and knees picking up the rubbish the social deviants had left out for the seagulls.

“It’s not hard to cover your rubbish with an old blanket or put it in a dustbin. To fling it out in the street with complete gay abandon is nothing short of disgraceful.”

Mayor Mike Thomas said he had seen a visitor from Australia cleaning up the pavement with a dustpan and brush, after a bag had burst.

Members agreed the time of posters and warning letters had passed and now prosecutions were needed.

The matter will now be raised with Helston’s Cornwall Councillors with a view to beginning fines for offenders.

Seagull-proof sacks can be bought from Helston One Stop Shop, in the alleyway to the Tyacke Road car park, for £3.50.

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9:53am Mon 30 Jun 14

Eddy boy says...

How about providing people with wheelie bins like other councils do, surely that would be problem solved.
How about providing people with wheelie bins like other councils do, surely that would be problem solved. Eddy boy
  • Score: -13

11:15am Mon 30 Jun 14

Helston John says...

As a Cllr, why didn't Mr Radford-Gaby knock on his neighbours doors and tell them about their rubbish instead of just looking out of the window about it?
As a Cllr, why didn't Mr Radford-Gaby knock on his neighbours doors and tell them about their rubbish instead of just looking out of the window about it? Helston John
  • Score: 17

11:19am Mon 30 Jun 14

Helston John says...

Eddy boy wrote:
How about providing people with wheelie bins like other councils do, surely that would be problem solved.
If people wanted a wheelie bin they'd buy one, they seem to afford cars, cigarettes etc and whatever else they want in Helston, why should tax payers pay extra to CC on council tax just to subsidise these anti social lazy people.
[quote][p][bold]Eddy boy[/bold] wrote: How about providing people with wheelie bins like other councils do, surely that would be problem solved.[/p][/quote]If people wanted a wheelie bin they'd buy one, they seem to afford cars, cigarettes etc and whatever else they want in Helston, why should tax payers pay extra to CC on council tax just to subsidise these anti social lazy people. Helston John
  • Score: 12

11:24am Mon 30 Jun 14

meerkats says...

Another area, that is bad for rubbish being attacked by seagulls is the entrance to Bullock lane off Meneage Road. There are the odd one or two that cover the bags with a sheet but unfortunately most dont and on a Wednesday its disgusting with rubbish all over the place. Its not rocket science that if its covered the seagulls cant get at it , its just that people are too lazy or dont care enough to cover the bags with a sheet or blanket. I hope that they will start handing out fines to the offenders .
Another area, that is bad for rubbish being attacked by seagulls is the entrance to Bullock lane off Meneage Road. There are the odd one or two that cover the bags with a sheet but unfortunately most dont and on a Wednesday its disgusting with rubbish all over the place. Its not rocket science that if its covered the seagulls cant get at it , its just that people are too lazy or dont care enough to cover the bags with a sheet or blanket. I hope that they will start handing out fines to the offenders . meerkats
  • Score: 11

11:31am Mon 30 Jun 14

meerkats says...

Helston John wrote:
Eddy boy wrote:
How about providing people with wheelie bins like other councils do, surely that would be problem solved.
If people wanted a wheelie bin they'd buy one, they seem to afford cars, cigarettes etc and whatever else they want in Helston, why should tax payers pay extra to CC on council tax just to subsidise these anti social lazy people.
I agree its just pure laziness , they cant even be bothered to buy a sheet or blanket (charity shops sell them so it would be a good cause ) so they wouldnt buy a wheelie bin !!
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eddy boy[/bold] wrote: How about providing people with wheelie bins like other councils do, surely that would be problem solved.[/p][/quote]If people wanted a wheelie bin they'd buy one, they seem to afford cars, cigarettes etc and whatever else they want in Helston, why should tax payers pay extra to CC on council tax just to subsidise these anti social lazy people.[/p][/quote]I agree its just pure laziness , they cant even be bothered to buy a sheet or blanket (charity shops sell them so it would be a good cause ) so they wouldnt buy a wheelie bin !! meerkats
  • Score: 11

12:57pm Mon 30 Jun 14

krazyitchkatie says...

It is gross. People just ignore litter around them too, instead of picking it up and putting it in a nearby bin.
It is gross. People just ignore litter around them too, instead of picking it up and putting it in a nearby bin. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: -13

1:05pm Mon 30 Jun 14

meerkats says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
It is gross. People just ignore litter around them too, instead of picking it up and putting it in a nearby bin.
Not everyone , i frequently pick rubbish up and dispose of in the nearest bin , hate to see it lying around.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: It is gross. People just ignore litter around them too, instead of picking it up and putting it in a nearby bin.[/p][/quote]Not everyone , i frequently pick rubbish up and dispose of in the nearest bin , hate to see it lying around. meerkats
  • Score: 2

1:46pm Mon 30 Jun 14

telstar1962 says...

What's wrong with an ordinary plastic or aluminium bin, with your house number or name on it for goodness sake.People don't need huge wheelie bins, just something big enough to put one weeks household rubbish in, with a lid on.

Of course, this was probably stopped some time back because of problems with that type of container as well
What's wrong with an ordinary plastic or aluminium bin, with your house number or name on it for goodness sake.People don't need huge wheelie bins, just something big enough to put one weeks household rubbish in, with a lid on. Of course, this was probably stopped some time back because of problems with that type of container as well telstar1962
  • Score: -13

2:33pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Chewie78 says...

Helston John wrote:
Eddy boy wrote:
How about providing people with wheelie bins like other councils do, surely that would be problem solved.
If people wanted a wheelie bin they'd buy one, they seem to afford cars, cigarettes etc and whatever else they want in Helston, why should tax payers pay extra to CC on council tax just to subsidise these anti social lazy people.
People do buy them, but are afraid to put them out in case they get stolen.

And as for Cornwall Council, if the one-stop shop ever had seagull-proof bags in stock it would help, they are forever selling out the moment they get them in, so lets have some perspective - its a minority of people spoiling it,by all means find out who it is and fine them!
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eddy boy[/bold] wrote: How about providing people with wheelie bins like other councils do, surely that would be problem solved.[/p][/quote]If people wanted a wheelie bin they'd buy one, they seem to afford cars, cigarettes etc and whatever else they want in Helston, why should tax payers pay extra to CC on council tax just to subsidise these anti social lazy people.[/p][/quote]People do buy them, but are afraid to put them out in case they get stolen. And as for Cornwall Council, if the one-stop shop ever had seagull-proof bags in stock it would help, they are forever selling out the moment they get them in, so lets have some perspective - its a minority of people spoiling it,by all means find out who it is and fine them! Chewie78
  • Score: -9

3:36pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ElevenEleven says...

The only practical solution to this problem (not just in Helston, but Cornwall wide) is to supply people with the seagull proof sacks free of charge.

The gulls and other creatures can quite easily pull off a sheet or blanket and still get at the rubbish, and these sacks look a lot better than the town being strewn with manky old sheets.

Wheelie bins would work but aren't practical for a lot of places, especially in town centres where flats above shops wouldn't have anywhere to store them.

It would be nice to think people would go out and buy themselves a proper bin or seagull proof sack but in reality it's not going to happen.

I know times are tight for Cornwall Council but they really ought to be able to find the money for this given that in "normal" places councils routinely provide wheelie bins free of charge, and besides this would save money and effort on street cleaning in the long run.
The only practical solution to this problem (not just in Helston, but Cornwall wide) is to supply people with the seagull proof sacks free of charge. The gulls and other creatures can quite easily pull off a sheet or blanket and still get at the rubbish, and these sacks look a lot better than the town being strewn with manky old sheets. Wheelie bins would work but aren't practical for a lot of places, especially in town centres where flats above shops wouldn't have anywhere to store them. It would be nice to think people would go out and buy themselves a proper bin or seagull proof sack but in reality it's not going to happen. I know times are tight for Cornwall Council but they really ought to be able to find the money for this given that in "normal" places councils routinely provide wheelie bins free of charge, and besides this would save money and effort on street cleaning in the long run. ElevenEleven
  • Score: 14

3:52pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Mark Porthleven says...

Chewie78 wrote:
Helston John wrote:
Eddy boy wrote:
How about providing people with wheelie bins like other councils do, surely that would be problem solved.
If people wanted a wheelie bin they'd buy one, they seem to afford cars, cigarettes etc and whatever else they want in Helston, why should tax payers pay extra to CC on council tax just to subsidise these anti social lazy people.
People do buy them, but are afraid to put them out in case they get stolen.

And as for Cornwall Council, if the one-stop shop ever had seagull-proof bags in stock it would help, they are forever selling out the moment they get them in, so lets have some perspective - its a minority of people spoiling it,by all means find out who it is and fine them!
Why would someone buy one and then not put it out in case it gets stolen, they just wouldn't bother buying one in the first place if they thought it would be stolen! And if it's a minority in Helston why does it look a tip through the town, up Wendron Street and on the
Porthleven road and on the outskirts of the town!
[quote][p][bold]Chewie78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eddy boy[/bold] wrote: How about providing people with wheelie bins like other councils do, surely that would be problem solved.[/p][/quote]If people wanted a wheelie bin they'd buy one, they seem to afford cars, cigarettes etc and whatever else they want in Helston, why should tax payers pay extra to CC on council tax just to subsidise these anti social lazy people.[/p][/quote]People do buy them, but are afraid to put them out in case they get stolen. And as for Cornwall Council, if the one-stop shop ever had seagull-proof bags in stock it would help, they are forever selling out the moment they get them in, so lets have some perspective - its a minority of people spoiling it,by all means find out who it is and fine them![/p][/quote]Why would someone buy one and then not put it out in case it gets stolen, they just wouldn't bother buying one in the first place if they thought it would be stolen! And if it's a minority in Helston why does it look a tip through the town, up Wendron Street and on the Porthleven road and on the outskirts of the town! Mark Porthleven
  • Score: 11

4:07pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Helston John says...

ElevenEleven wrote:
The only practical solution to this problem (not just in Helston, but Cornwall wide) is to supply people with the seagull proof sacks free of charge.

The gulls and other creatures can quite easily pull off a sheet or blanket and still get at the rubbish, and these sacks look a lot better than the town being strewn with manky old sheets.

Wheelie bins would work but aren't practical for a lot of places, especially in town centres where flats above shops wouldn't have anywhere to store them.

It would be nice to think people would go out and buy themselves a proper bin or seagull proof sack but in reality it's not going to happen.

I know times are tight for Cornwall Council but they really ought to be able to find the money for this given that in "normal" places councils routinely provide wheelie bins free of charge, and besides this would save money and effort on street cleaning in the long run.
Yeah and while they're at it perhaps they could find the money for Helston community college rebuild,,, and perhaps they could save money on paying to transport people's kids to school. This is about social responsibility,,, why should the council tax go up even more in Helston to subsidise a lazy anti social "minority".
[quote][p][bold]ElevenEleven[/bold] wrote: The only practical solution to this problem (not just in Helston, but Cornwall wide) is to supply people with the seagull proof sacks free of charge. The gulls and other creatures can quite easily pull off a sheet or blanket and still get at the rubbish, and these sacks look a lot better than the town being strewn with manky old sheets. Wheelie bins would work but aren't practical for a lot of places, especially in town centres where flats above shops wouldn't have anywhere to store them. It would be nice to think people would go out and buy themselves a proper bin or seagull proof sack but in reality it's not going to happen. I know times are tight for Cornwall Council but they really ought to be able to find the money for this given that in "normal" places councils routinely provide wheelie bins free of charge, and besides this would save money and effort on street cleaning in the long run.[/p][/quote]Yeah and while they're at it perhaps they could find the money for Helston community college rebuild,,, and perhaps they could save money on paying to transport people's kids to school. This is about social responsibility,,, why should the council tax go up even more in Helston to subsidise a lazy anti social "minority". Helston John
  • Score: 9

4:17pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ElevenEleven says...

Helston John wrote:
ElevenEleven wrote: The only practical solution to this problem (not just in Helston, but Cornwall wide) is to supply people with the seagull proof sacks free of charge. The gulls and other creatures can quite easily pull off a sheet or blanket and still get at the rubbish, and these sacks look a lot better than the town being strewn with manky old sheets. Wheelie bins would work but aren't practical for a lot of places, especially in town centres where flats above shops wouldn't have anywhere to store them. It would be nice to think people would go out and buy themselves a proper bin or seagull proof sack but in reality it's not going to happen. I know times are tight for Cornwall Council but they really ought to be able to find the money for this given that in "normal" places councils routinely provide wheelie bins free of charge, and besides this would save money and effort on street cleaning in the long run.
Yeah and while they're at it perhaps they could find the money for Helston community college rebuild,,, and perhaps they could save money on paying to transport people's kids to school. This is about social responsibility,,, why should the council tax go up even more in Helston to subsidise a lazy anti social "minority".
It doesn't have to go up.

Each Cornwall Councillor has an annual 'community budget' to spend on what they see fit. In Falmouth, Candy Atherton used hers to buy a seagull proof sack for every home in her constituency.

Bury your heads in the sand if you wish, but how long have we been talking about threatening people with fines if they don't cover up their rubbish? Has it worked? No.

Time for some real practical action!
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ElevenEleven[/bold] wrote: The only practical solution to this problem (not just in Helston, but Cornwall wide) is to supply people with the seagull proof sacks free of charge. The gulls and other creatures can quite easily pull off a sheet or blanket and still get at the rubbish, and these sacks look a lot better than the town being strewn with manky old sheets. Wheelie bins would work but aren't practical for a lot of places, especially in town centres where flats above shops wouldn't have anywhere to store them. It would be nice to think people would go out and buy themselves a proper bin or seagull proof sack but in reality it's not going to happen. I know times are tight for Cornwall Council but they really ought to be able to find the money for this given that in "normal" places councils routinely provide wheelie bins free of charge, and besides this would save money and effort on street cleaning in the long run.[/p][/quote]Yeah and while they're at it perhaps they could find the money for Helston community college rebuild,,, and perhaps they could save money on paying to transport people's kids to school. This is about social responsibility,,, why should the council tax go up even more in Helston to subsidise a lazy anti social "minority".[/p][/quote]It doesn't have to go up. Each Cornwall Councillor has an annual 'community budget' to spend on what they see fit. In Falmouth, Candy Atherton used hers to buy a seagull proof sack for every home in her constituency. Bury your heads in the sand if you wish, but how long have we been talking about threatening people with fines if they don't cover up their rubbish? Has it worked? No. Time for some real practical action! ElevenEleven
  • Score: 15

4:36pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Helston John says...

They're not threatening, theyre going to do it. Its the Cornwall Cllrs that have the community budgets and our Cornwall Cllrs in Helston are not as good as yours in Falmouth.
They're not threatening, theyre going to do it. Its the Cornwall Cllrs that have the community budgets and our Cornwall Cllrs in Helston are not as good as yours in Falmouth. Helston John
  • Score: 4

6:32pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Cornwall Council supply recycling receptacles free of charge, I therefore agree with ElevenEleven, it is not unreasonable to expect them to supply free gull proof bags to those who would like them.

I believe it is worth millions, to whoever is awarded the residue refuse contract each time, therefore in my opinion, negotiation for the contractors to contribute or supply bags should have been a consideration when awarding the contract.
Cornwall Council supply recycling receptacles free of charge, I therefore agree with ElevenEleven, it is not unreasonable to expect them to supply free gull proof bags to those who would like them. I believe it is worth millions, to whoever is awarded the residue refuse contract each time, therefore in my opinion, negotiation for the contractors to contribute or supply bags should have been a consideration when awarding the contract. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 16

7:50pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Gill Z Martin says...

Helston John wrote:
As a Cllr, why didn't Mr Radford-Gaby knock on his neighbours doors and tell them about their rubbish instead of just looking out of the window about it?
I do not think it is very fair to expect any individual to confront their neighbours, it is something that should be addressed by the council as a body.
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: As a Cllr, why didn't Mr Radford-Gaby knock on his neighbours doors and tell them about their rubbish instead of just looking out of the window about it?[/p][/quote]I do not think it is very fair to expect any individual to confront their neighbours, it is something that should be addressed by the council as a body. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 10

1:05am Tue 1 Jul 14

fatsidney says...

I live just up from wendron street and i put my rubbish out as i leave for work at 7.15am , This week this street looked like a war zone , rubbish every where , yes it is bad and would use wheelie bins , but being a one way street horns are blasting by inpatient nitwits that are too lazy to go via furry way out of town , plastic/metal bins were used before as was wheelie bins but when you find them on the roof of your car or thrown down the street , or dumped in the middle of the street from drunks walking by at 3am in the morning , ITS SEAGULLS .... OR ... IMMATURE DRUNKS ...
I live just up from wendron street and i put my rubbish out as i leave for work at 7.15am , This week this street looked like a war zone , rubbish every where , yes it is bad and would use wheelie bins , but being a one way street horns are blasting by inpatient nitwits that are too lazy to go via furry way out of town , plastic/metal bins were used before as was wheelie bins but when you find them on the roof of your car or thrown down the street , or dumped in the middle of the street from drunks walking by at 3am in the morning , ITS SEAGULLS .... OR ... IMMATURE DRUNKS ... fatsidney
  • Score: 8

9:17am Tue 1 Jul 14

telstar1962 says...

This news item is laughable, if it wasn't so serious

Just yet one more example of how Helston cannot do the simple things easily

I know, let's call a series of meetings about which owners are responsible, and how do you prove it's the owners rubbish, and how much should the fine be, and if the fine isn't paid within 30 days what do we do, and if the person responsible hasn't got the money, how do we collect the fine, weekly or monthy ???

yawn....yawn....
This news item is laughable, if it wasn't so serious Just yet one more example of how Helston cannot do the simple things easily I know, let's call a series of meetings about which owners are responsible, and how do you prove it's the owners rubbish, and how much should the fine be, and if the fine isn't paid within 30 days what do we do, and if the person responsible hasn't got the money, how do we collect the fine, weekly or monthy ??? yawn....yawn.... telstar1962
  • Score: -2

10:27am Tue 1 Jul 14

ElevenEleven says...

Helston John wrote:
They're not threatening, theyre going to do it. Its the Cornwall Cllrs that have the community budgets and our Cornwall Cllrs in Helston are not as good as yours in Falmouth.
Well that's good, but that opens up more difficulties - how do you prove whose rubbish is whose?

Sadly it was only one of our five Cornwall Councillors who opted to provide the sacks, so we still have a significant problem in Falmouth too. But I can say where they are being used these sacks definitely do the job.
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: They're not threatening, theyre going to do it. Its the Cornwall Cllrs that have the community budgets and our Cornwall Cllrs in Helston are not as good as yours in Falmouth.[/p][/quote]Well that's good, but that opens up more difficulties - how do you prove whose rubbish is whose? Sadly it was only one of our five Cornwall Councillors who opted to provide the sacks, so we still have a significant problem in Falmouth too. But I can say where they are being used these sacks definitely do the job. ElevenEleven
  • Score: 9

10:35am Tue 1 Jul 14

meerkats says...

telstar1962 wrote:
This news item is laughable, if it wasn't so serious

Just yet one more example of how Helston cannot do the simple things easily

I know, let's call a series of meetings about which owners are responsible, and how do you prove it's the owners rubbish, and how much should the fine be, and if the fine isn't paid within 30 days what do we do, and if the person responsible hasn't got the money, how do we collect the fine, weekly or monthy ???

yawn....yawn....
they would have to split the bags to see if there is anything inside with a name on and still clear it up after lol!!
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: This news item is laughable, if it wasn't so serious Just yet one more example of how Helston cannot do the simple things easily I know, let's call a series of meetings about which owners are responsible, and how do you prove it's the owners rubbish, and how much should the fine be, and if the fine isn't paid within 30 days what do we do, and if the person responsible hasn't got the money, how do we collect the fine, weekly or monthy ??? yawn....yawn....[/p][/quote]they would have to split the bags to see if there is anything inside with a name on and still clear it up after lol!! meerkats
  • Score: -5

11:55am Tue 1 Jul 14

krazyitchkatie says...

telstar1962 wrote:
This news item is laughable, if it wasn't so serious

Just yet one more example of how Helston cannot do the simple things easily

I know, let's call a series of meetings about which owners are responsible, and how do you prove it's the owners rubbish, and how much should the fine be, and if the fine isn't paid within 30 days what do we do, and if the person responsible hasn't got the money, how do we collect the fine, weekly or monthy ???

yawn....yawn....
What should be done instead?
I'm planning on purchasing my own wheely bin or alternative for my own rubbish and think everyone should be responsible for theirs. I don't think think the council should have to provide bins/sacks etc at the tax payers expense when people should be taking responsibility for what's theirs.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: This news item is laughable, if it wasn't so serious Just yet one more example of how Helston cannot do the simple things easily I know, let's call a series of meetings about which owners are responsible, and how do you prove it's the owners rubbish, and how much should the fine be, and if the fine isn't paid within 30 days what do we do, and if the person responsible hasn't got the money, how do we collect the fine, weekly or monthy ??? yawn....yawn....[/p][/quote]What should be done instead? I'm planning on purchasing my own wheely bin or alternative for my own rubbish and think everyone should be responsible for theirs. I don't think think the council should have to provide bins/sacks etc at the tax payers expense when people should be taking responsibility for what's theirs. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: -20

12:45pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Gill Z Martin says...

I do know for a fact, that previously Councillor Jonathan Radford-Gaby along with the town warden, did actually spend time going through some bags to look for something with which to identify the owners.

I believe it is Cornwall Council that would have responsibility for issuing fines. I think people can report their neighbours if they so wish and providing they are prepared to sign a form to witness it, a fine could be issued in the same way it can be for dog fouling. The person signing the form need only be identified if the fine was not paid, and it ended up in court.
I do know for a fact, that previously Councillor Jonathan Radford-Gaby along with the town warden, did actually spend time going through some bags to look for something with which to identify the owners. I believe it is Cornwall Council that would have responsibility for issuing fines. I think people can report their neighbours if they so wish and providing they are prepared to sign a form to witness it, a fine could be issued in the same way it can be for dog fouling. The person signing the form need only be identified if the fine was not paid, and it ended up in court. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 8

12:47pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Gill Z Martin says...

telstar1962 wrote:
This news item is laughable, if it wasn't so serious

Just yet one more example of how Helston cannot do the simple things easily

I know, let's call a series of meetings about which owners are responsible, and how do you prove it's the owners rubbish, and how much should the fine be, and if the fine isn't paid within 30 days what do we do, and if the person responsible hasn't got the money, how do we collect the fine, weekly or monthy ???

yawn....yawn....
It has already been discussed at the last town council meeting.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: This news item is laughable, if it wasn't so serious Just yet one more example of how Helston cannot do the simple things easily I know, let's call a series of meetings about which owners are responsible, and how do you prove it's the owners rubbish, and how much should the fine be, and if the fine isn't paid within 30 days what do we do, and if the person responsible hasn't got the money, how do we collect the fine, weekly or monthy ??? yawn....yawn....[/p][/quote]It has already been discussed at the last town council meeting. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 7

1:11pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Gill Z Martin says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
It is gross. People just ignore litter around them too, instead of picking it up and putting it in a nearby bin.
It might look like that, but for example, I spent time picking up a huge amount of litter from Porthleven beach, and the next day it looked like I had not bothered because it was the same again. I think a lot of people do pick up litter but it may not always be noticeable.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: It is gross. People just ignore litter around them too, instead of picking it up and putting it in a nearby bin.[/p][/quote]It might look like that, but for example, I spent time picking up a huge amount of litter from Porthleven beach, and the next day it looked like I had not bothered because it was the same again. I think a lot of people do pick up litter but it may not always be noticeable. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 10

4:32pm Tue 1 Jul 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
krazyitchkatie wrote:
It is gross. People just ignore litter around them too, instead of picking it up and putting it in a nearby bin.
It might look like that, but for example, I spent time picking up a huge amount of litter from Porthleven beach, and the next day it looked like I had not bothered because it was the same again. I think a lot of people do pick up litter but it may not always be noticeable.
Some of us do indeed Gill, but if more of us did, it might not be such a problem.
It's such a basic problem, I find it frustrating that more people don't have the mindset to help.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: It is gross. People just ignore litter around them too, instead of picking it up and putting it in a nearby bin.[/p][/quote]It might look like that, but for example, I spent time picking up a huge amount of litter from Porthleven beach, and the next day it looked like I had not bothered because it was the same again. I think a lot of people do pick up litter but it may not always be noticeable.[/p][/quote]Some of us do indeed Gill, but if more of us did, it might not be such a problem. It's such a basic problem, I find it frustrating that more people don't have the mindset to help. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 5

4:33pm Tue 1 Jul 14

krazyitchkatie says...

Judging by my number of thumbs down it would seem not many people feel they should be taking responsibility for their own rubbish! lol
Judging by my number of thumbs down it would seem not many people feel they should be taking responsibility for their own rubbish! lol krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 8

8:36pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Gill Z Martin says...

krazyitchkatie wrote:
Judging by my number of thumbs down it would seem not many people feel they should be taking responsibility for their own rubbish! lol
I think people should be responsible for securing their rubbish, sadly this has proved over a long period of time not always the case. Therefore I think you have to balance the advantages of supplying free bags to those who would like them, against cost. Recycling receptacles are provided free, the reality being, if they were not, the recycling rate would be very low. Perhaps it is now time to address the rubbish problem with a long term solution, as opposed to what could transpire to be a costly short term one.
[quote][p][bold]krazyitchkatie[/bold] wrote: Judging by my number of thumbs down it would seem not many people feel they should be taking responsibility for their own rubbish! lol[/p][/quote]I think people should be responsible for securing their rubbish, sadly this has proved over a long period of time not always the case. Therefore I think you have to balance the advantages of supplying free bags to those who would like them, against cost. Recycling receptacles are provided free, the reality being, if they were not, the recycling rate would be very low. Perhaps it is now time to address the rubbish problem with a long term solution, as opposed to what could transpire to be a costly short term one. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 10

10:31am Wed 2 Jul 14

krazyitchkatie says...

I actually did a design project on solving recycling/rubbish issues in Helston for my open uni degree a couple of years ago.
In my opinion I did not find any viable alternative options as all my ideas involved too much effort :-(
There definitely needs to be a balance found between public service and public responsibility.
I actually did a design project on solving recycling/rubbish issues in Helston for my open uni degree a couple of years ago. In my opinion I did not find any viable alternative options as all my ideas involved too much effort :-( There definitely needs to be a balance found between public service and public responsibility. krazyitchkatie
  • Score: 2

11:57am Wed 2 Jul 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Did not actually know that the town council had the power to fine people. As they clearly do let's gets some fines issued.
A shame the "social deviants " observed from the ex mayors window could not be named. Very pleased I do not have to live there.
Did not actually know that the town council had the power to fine people. As they clearly do let's gets some fines issued. A shame the "social deviants " observed from the ex mayors window could not be named. Very pleased I do not have to live there. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -11

5:06pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

For someone that wanted to join the council Ron, you dont seem aware of much! dont you go to any of the meetings or talk to any of the Cllrs? ages ago Craig Bowcutt was given training to issue fines for dog mess or littering. Take it thats another dig at Cllr Radford-Gaby saying glad you dont have to live there because weve had rubbish issues discussed on here before and youve never said that about any other road. i bet hes glad you dont live there too.
For someone that wanted to join the council Ron, you dont seem aware of much! dont you go to any of the meetings or talk to any of the Cllrs? ages ago Craig Bowcutt was given training to issue fines for dog mess or littering. Take it thats another dig at Cllr Radford-Gaby saying glad you dont have to live there because weve had rubbish issues discussed on here before and youve never said that about any other road. i bet hes glad you dont live there too. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 12

6:16pm Wed 2 Jul 14

meerkats says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Did not actually know that the town council had the power to fine people. As they clearly do let's gets some fines issued.
A shame the "social deviants " observed from the ex mayors window could not be named. Very pleased I do not have to live there.
sill pointless comment
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Did not actually know that the town council had the power to fine people. As they clearly do let's gets some fines issued. A shame the "social deviants " observed from the ex mayors window could not be named. Very pleased I do not have to live there.[/p][/quote]sill pointless comment meerkats
  • Score: -17

6:17pm Wed 2 Jul 14

meerkats says...

meerkats wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Did not actually know that the town council had the power to fine people. As they clearly do let's gets some fines issued.
A shame the "social deviants " observed from the ex mayors window could not be named. Very pleased I do not have to live there.
sill pointless comment
should have said silly pointless comment !!
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Did not actually know that the town council had the power to fine people. As they clearly do let's gets some fines issued. A shame the "social deviants " observed from the ex mayors window could not be named. Very pleased I do not have to live there.[/p][/quote]sill pointless comment[/p][/quote]should have said silly pointless comment !! meerkats
  • Score: -18

7:55pm Wed 2 Jul 14

telstar1962 says...

Strange, but this has never bin a problem wherever I have lived lol
Strange, but this has never bin a problem wherever I have lived lol telstar1962
  • Score: 11

8:28pm Wed 2 Jul 14

meerkats says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Strange, but this has never bin a problem wherever I have lived lol
that is a rubbish comment lol
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Strange, but this has never bin a problem wherever I have lived lol[/p][/quote]that is a rubbish comment lol meerkats
  • Score: -10

9:00pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Gill Z Martin says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Strange, but this has never bin a problem wherever I have lived lol
Lol, you have just given me a much needed laugh.
Please keep the lid on your jokes though.
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Strange, but this has never bin a problem wherever I have lived lol[/p][/quote]Lol, you have just given me a much needed laugh. Please keep the lid on your jokes though. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 8

8:16am Thu 3 Jul 14

telstar1962 says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Strange, but this has never bin a problem wherever I have lived lol
...and to all the residents of Helston, please keep your lids on your rubbish bins.

SIMPLE
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Strange, but this has never bin a problem wherever I have lived lol[/p][/quote]...and to all the residents of Helston, please keep your lids on your rubbish bins. SIMPLE telstar1962
  • Score: 12

5:24pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Mark Porthleven says...

meerkats wrote:
meerkats wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Did not actually know that the town council had the power to fine people. As they clearly do let's gets some fines issued.
A shame the "social deviants " observed from the ex mayors window could not be named. Very pleased I do not have to live there.
sill pointless comment
should have said silly pointless comment !!
No wonder Ronedgcumbe doesn't think much of your comments.
[quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Did not actually know that the town council had the power to fine people. As they clearly do let's gets some fines issued. A shame the "social deviants " observed from the ex mayors window could not be named. Very pleased I do not have to live there.[/p][/quote]sill pointless comment[/p][/quote]should have said silly pointless comment !![/p][/quote]No wonder Ronedgcumbe doesn't think much of your comments. Mark Porthleven
  • Score: 16

6:54pm Thu 3 Jul 14

meerkats says...

Mark Porthleven wrote:
meerkats wrote:
meerkats wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Did not actually know that the town council had the power to fine people. As they clearly do let's gets some fines issued.
A shame the "social deviants " observed from the ex mayors window could not be named. Very pleased I do not have to live there.
sill pointless comment
should have said silly pointless comment !!
No wonder Ronedgcumbe doesn't think much of your comments.
He was rude enough to say it about mine so i did the same to him. childish but made me feel better for a while at least.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Porthleven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meerkats[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Did not actually know that the town council had the power to fine people. As they clearly do let's gets some fines issued. A shame the "social deviants " observed from the ex mayors window could not be named. Very pleased I do not have to live there.[/p][/quote]sill pointless comment[/p][/quote]should have said silly pointless comment !![/p][/quote]No wonder Ronedgcumbe doesn't think much of your comments.[/p][/quote]He was rude enough to say it about mine so i did the same to him. childish but made me feel better for a while at least. meerkats
  • Score: -17

10:20pm Thu 3 Jul 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Glad you felt better. Will be more carefull in future. Sorry but thought other commenters where as open to criticism as myself. Please accept my apologies.
Glad you felt better. Will be more carefull in future. Sorry but thought other commenters where as open to criticism as myself. Please accept my apologies. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -16

10:52pm Thu 3 Jul 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Helston fly on the wall wrote:
For someone that wanted to join the council Ron, you dont seem aware of much! dont you go to any of the meetings or talk to any of the Cllrs? ages ago Craig Bowcutt was given training to issue fines for dog mess or littering. Take it thats another dig at Cllr Radford-Gaby saying glad you dont have to live there because weve had rubbish issues discussed on here before and youve never said that about any other road. i bet hes glad you dont live there too.
All ways the same old response. I am only commenting on items that councillors have themself chose to raise. What has myself attending council meeting got to do with anything and your constant replication is patronising.
Good luck to Mr Bowcutt. Respect.
[quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: For someone that wanted to join the council Ron, you dont seem aware of much! dont you go to any of the meetings or talk to any of the Cllrs? ages ago Craig Bowcutt was given training to issue fines for dog mess or littering. Take it thats another dig at Cllr Radford-Gaby saying glad you dont have to live there because weve had rubbish issues discussed on here before and youve never said that about any other road. i bet hes glad you dont live there too.[/p][/quote]All ways the same old response. I am only commenting on items that councillors have themself chose to raise. What has myself attending council meeting got to do with anything and your constant replication is patronising. Good luck to Mr Bowcutt. Respect. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -11

8:23am Fri 4 Jul 14

Mark Porthleven says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Glad you felt better. Will be more carefull in future. Sorry but thought other commenters where as open to criticism as myself. Please accept my apologies.
But you'd generalised about everyone ronedgcumbe and I'd never criticised you, so is that apology to just meerkats or everyone?
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Glad you felt better. Will be more carefull in future. Sorry but thought other commenters where as open to criticism as myself. Please accept my apologies.[/p][/quote]But you'd generalised about everyone ronedgcumbe and I'd never criticised you, so is that apology to just meerkats or everyone? Mark Porthleven
  • Score: 15

8:36am Fri 4 Jul 14

Helston fly on the wall says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
For someone that wanted to join the council Ron, you dont seem aware of much! dont you go to any of the meetings or talk to any of the Cllrs? ages ago Craig Bowcutt was given training to issue fines for dog mess or littering. Take it thats another dig at Cllr Radford-Gaby saying glad you dont have to live there because weve had rubbish issues discussed on here before and youve never said that about any other road. i bet hes glad you dont live there too.
All ways the same old response. I am only commenting on items that councillors have themself chose to raise. What has myself attending council meeting got to do with anything and your constant replication is patronising.
Good luck to Mr Bowcutt. Respect.
Same old with you Ron, youre still having a dig now only saying respect to Craig. I said about the council meetings because most normal people that want to stand for council would at least take an interest and attend some meetings and if you did you might actually learn something instead of wingeing on here frequently about cllrs like Cllr Wallis and Cllr JRG and Cllr Knight. Plus you commented on the story before about Craigs training to give out fines and now you say you didnt know the council could issue fines.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: For someone that wanted to join the council Ron, you dont seem aware of much! dont you go to any of the meetings or talk to any of the Cllrs? ages ago Craig Bowcutt was given training to issue fines for dog mess or littering. Take it thats another dig at Cllr Radford-Gaby saying glad you dont have to live there because weve had rubbish issues discussed on here before and youve never said that about any other road. i bet hes glad you dont live there too.[/p][/quote]All ways the same old response. I am only commenting on items that councillors have themself chose to raise. What has myself attending council meeting got to do with anything and your constant replication is patronising. Good luck to Mr Bowcutt. Respect.[/p][/quote]Same old with you Ron, youre still having a dig now only saying respect to Craig. I said about the council meetings because most normal people that want to stand for council would at least take an interest and attend some meetings and if you did you might actually learn something instead of wingeing on here frequently about cllrs like Cllr Wallis and Cllr JRG and Cllr Knight. Plus you commented on the story before about Craigs training to give out fines and now you say you didnt know the council could issue fines. Helston fly on the wall
  • Score: 14

9:39am Fri 4 Jul 14

Mark Porthleven says...

Mark Porthleven wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Glad you felt better. Will be more carefull in future. Sorry but thought other commenters where as open to criticism as myself. Please accept my apologies.
But you'd generalised about everyone ronedgcumbe and I'd never criticised you, so is that apology to just meerkats or everyone?
Who will be more careful in future? Meerkats or the rest of us? Or you?
You seem to have a habit of leaving comments that can be interpreted in different ways, rather a clever get out clause I think.
I read it as meerkats will be more careful in future.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Porthleven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Glad you felt better. Will be more carefull in future. Sorry but thought other commenters where as open to criticism as myself. Please accept my apologies.[/p][/quote]But you'd generalised about everyone ronedgcumbe and I'd never criticised you, so is that apology to just meerkats or everyone?[/p][/quote]Who will be more careful in future? Meerkats or the rest of us? Or you? You seem to have a habit of leaving comments that can be interpreted in different ways, rather a clever get out clause I think. I read it as meerkats will be more careful in future. Mark Porthleven
  • Score: 7

11:16am Fri 4 Jul 14

meerkats says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Glad you felt better. Will be more carefull in future. Sorry but thought other commenters where as open to criticism as myself. Please accept my apologies.
Thankyou
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Glad you felt better. Will be more carefull in future. Sorry but thought other commenters where as open to criticism as myself. Please accept my apologies.[/p][/quote]Thankyou meerkats
  • Score: -13

11:16am Fri 4 Jul 14

meerkats says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Glad you felt better. Will be more carefull in future. Sorry but thought other commenters where as open to criticism as myself. Please accept my apologies.
Thankyou
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Glad you felt better. Will be more carefull in future. Sorry but thought other commenters where as open to criticism as myself. Please accept my apologies.[/p][/quote]Thankyou meerkats
  • Score: -14

4:53pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Mark Porthleven says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Helston fly on the wall wrote:
For someone that wanted to join the council Ron, you dont seem aware of much! dont you go to any of the meetings or talk to any of the Cllrs? ages ago Craig Bowcutt was given training to issue fines for dog mess or littering. Take it thats another dig at Cllr Radford-Gaby saying glad you dont have to live there because weve had rubbish issues discussed on here before and youve never said that about any other road. i bet hes glad you dont live there too.
All ways the same old response. I am only commenting on items that councillors have themself chose to raise. What has myself attending council meeting got to do with anything and your constant replication is patronising.
Good luck to Mr Bowcutt. Respect.
And your patronising saying "will be more careful in future" without saying whether you mean you or meerkats or everyone. YOU generalised about silly comments, then you don't say whether youre apologising to just meerkats or all of us. Youre also patronising with your "constant replication" With having digs at Cllr Radford-Gaby, GZM says both Craig and JRG sorted through rubbish and you deliberately say respect to Mr Bowcutt only, on top of the dig about glad you don't live there. Glad you didn't get on the council you never have the guts to say clearly what you really mean. Come on ronedgcumbe be a man and tell us what your real problem is with JRG? I've just been reading back through some of your comments over the months. He's not mayor anymore, so why do you keep up the digs?
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston fly on the wall[/bold] wrote: For someone that wanted to join the council Ron, you dont seem aware of much! dont you go to any of the meetings or talk to any of the Cllrs? ages ago Craig Bowcutt was given training to issue fines for dog mess or littering. Take it thats another dig at Cllr Radford-Gaby saying glad you dont have to live there because weve had rubbish issues discussed on here before and youve never said that about any other road. i bet hes glad you dont live there too.[/p][/quote]All ways the same old response. I am only commenting on items that councillors have themself chose to raise. What has myself attending council meeting got to do with anything and your constant replication is patronising. Good luck to Mr Bowcutt. Respect.[/p][/quote]And your patronising saying "will be more careful in future" without saying whether you mean you or meerkats or everyone. YOU generalised about silly comments, then you don't say whether youre apologising to just meerkats or all of us. Youre also patronising with your "constant replication" With having digs at Cllr Radford-Gaby, GZM says both Craig and JRG sorted through rubbish and you deliberately say respect to Mr Bowcutt only, on top of the dig about glad you don't live there. Glad you didn't get on the council you never have the guts to say clearly what you really mean. Come on ronedgcumbe be a man and tell us what your real problem is with JRG? I've just been reading back through some of your comments over the months. He's not mayor anymore, so why do you keep up the digs? Mark Porthleven
  • Score: 26
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