Should there be a pedestrian crossing for roundabout near Asda Penryn?

Should there be a pedestrian crossing for roundabout near Asda Penryn?

Should there be a pedestrian crossing for roundabout near Asda Penryn?

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Cornwall Council has opened a consultation on the installation of a new ‘toucan’ crossing at the Kernick roundabout on the A39 for bicycles and pedestrians travelling between Mabe and Penryn.

Anyone wishing to respond to the consultation can either view the form at www.cornwall.gov.uk/trafficconsult, email the engineering design group on traffic@cormacltd.co.uk or write to Engineering Design Group, CORMAC Consultancy, Radnor Road, Scorrier, Redruth, Cornwall, TR16 5EH.

  • Do you think there should be a crossing on this roundabout? Have your say below by writing a comment or email editorial@packetseries.co.uk

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9:27am Fri 25 Jul 14

Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe says...

This is not even a valid question. Of course there should. Every time I am passing there and see people struggling to get across in between the racing traffic, I think there should have been one there already.
More houses are currently being built on both sides of this busy road: not putting a crossing there is only encouraging people to drive short distances, which is scandalous in this day and age.
This is not even a valid question. Of course there should. Every time I am passing there and see people struggling to get across in between the racing traffic, I think there should have been one there already. More houses are currently being built on both sides of this busy road: not putting a crossing there is only encouraging people to drive short distances, which is scandalous in this day and age. Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
  • Score: 9

1:58pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Pendennisracer says...

A traffic light controlled crossing would cause chaos to an already badly designed series of junctions - remember the gridlock when there were roadworks lights on Kernick Road.

It should have been a condition that a series of pedestrian bridges be built as part of the planning (subway better but probably not posible on the 'marshland' there previously.

Another example of development without looking at developing the infrastructure that goes with it.

Agree with above, something is needed but aroad level crossing is going to cause far too much trouble.
A traffic light controlled crossing would cause chaos to an already badly designed series of junctions - remember the gridlock when there were roadworks lights on Kernick Road. It should have been a condition that a series of pedestrian bridges be built as part of the planning (subway better but probably not posible on the 'marshland' there previously. Another example of development without looking at developing the infrastructure that goes with it. Agree with above, something is needed but aroad level crossing is going to cause far too much trouble. Pendennisracer
  • Score: 1

3:48pm Fri 25 Jul 14

PeteBanfield says...

Its a tricky one as i see it because yes something needs to be done to accomodate the footflow between Mabe and Penryn but I agree with Racer in that anything which stops the flow of traffic will have an obvious knock on effect.

This is a main commuter route which will become increasingly busy as more homes are built behind asda and other proposed developments in the immediate area so i cannot see the logic in stiffling the flow of traffic even further.

Yes a pedestrian crossing is probably the cheapest option but is it really the best? I personally think an elevated footbridge would be better but could well be too cost-prohibitive.
Its a tricky one as i see it because yes something needs to be done to accomodate the footflow between Mabe and Penryn but I agree with Racer in that anything which stops the flow of traffic will have an obvious knock on effect. This is a main commuter route which will become increasingly busy as more homes are built behind asda and other proposed developments in the immediate area so i cannot see the logic in stiffling the flow of traffic even further. Yes a pedestrian crossing is probably the cheapest option but is it really the best? I personally think an elevated footbridge would be better but could well be too cost-prohibitive. PeteBanfield
  • Score: 13

4:46pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Pendennisracer says...

Peter Falmouth wrote:
Pendennisracer wrote:
A traffic light controlled crossing would cause chaos to an already badly designed series of junctions - remember the gridlock when there were roadworks lights on Kernick Road.

It should have been a condition that a series of pedestrian bridges be built as part of the planning (subway better but probably not posible on the 'marshland' there previously.

Another example of development without looking at developing the infrastructure that goes with it.

Agree with above, something is needed but aroad level crossing is going to cause far too much trouble.
Yeah, it would cause far too much trouble for speeding motorcyclists that would have to be able to stop in time, pendennisracer racer apt user name.
That's a productive comment Peter.

Then again lights at the bottom of the hill would make a great start line!

Seriously, the whole logistics of the roundabout is all over the place, no advance warning coming down from Treliever to warn what lanes to use ahead - hence cars moving from left to right to go straight on. No markings at all coming from Falmouth, at least have straight on & left and straight on & right markings in both lanes so drivers are aware both options are available (like they have now done outside of Tesco in Truro).

Also once past the petrol station in Asda, pedestrian areas are not brilliant either.

But more importantly a safe method of crossing now that both sides of the road are growing - I did hear rumours that the developers were meant to contribute significantly to a crossing.
[quote][p][bold]Peter Falmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pendennisracer[/bold] wrote: A traffic light controlled crossing would cause chaos to an already badly designed series of junctions - remember the gridlock when there were roadworks lights on Kernick Road. It should have been a condition that a series of pedestrian bridges be built as part of the planning (subway better but probably not posible on the 'marshland' there previously. Another example of development without looking at developing the infrastructure that goes with it. Agree with above, something is needed but aroad level crossing is going to cause far too much trouble.[/p][/quote]Yeah, it would cause far too much trouble for speeding motorcyclists that would have to be able to stop in time, pendennisracer racer apt user name.[/p][/quote]That's a productive comment Peter. Then again lights at the bottom of the hill would make a great start line! Seriously, the whole logistics of the roundabout is all over the place, no advance warning coming down from Treliever to warn what lanes to use ahead - hence cars moving from left to right to go straight on. No markings at all coming from Falmouth, at least have straight on & left and straight on & right markings in both lanes so drivers are aware both options are available (like they have now done outside of Tesco in Truro). Also once past the petrol station in Asda, pedestrian areas are not brilliant either. But more importantly a safe method of crossing now that both sides of the road are growing - I did hear rumours that the developers were meant to contribute significantly to a crossing. Pendennisracer
  • Score: 7

6:09am Sat 26 Jul 14

HerbiesGirl says...

Without doubt there should be lights there. This would make it so much safer for pedestrians in particular the children of Mabe to cross the road on the way to Penryn college. As a parent it is a constant worry knowing that your child has to literally run the gauntlet to get to & from school each day. Unfortunately the majority of car drivers approach the roundabout as fast as they can without any consideration of pedestrians. At least with lights they would have to stop to allow the children to cross.
I totally agree there should have been more thought given to this problem, ideally a footbridge similar to the one at Landrake. I guess at the end of the day it's all down to cost. One has to ask what cost do you put onto someones life/safety?
Without doubt there should be lights there. This would make it so much safer for pedestrians in particular the children of Mabe to cross the road on the way to Penryn college. As a parent it is a constant worry knowing that your child has to literally run the gauntlet to get to & from school each day. Unfortunately the majority of car drivers approach the roundabout as fast as they can without any consideration of pedestrians. At least with lights they would have to stop to allow the children to cross. I totally agree there should have been more thought given to this problem, ideally a footbridge similar to the one at Landrake. I guess at the end of the day it's all down to cost. One has to ask what cost do you put onto someones life/safety? HerbiesGirl
  • Score: 0

5:26pm Sat 26 Jul 14

ereinoesyou says...

There shouldn't be traffic lights, a bridge yes, but not lights.

also can the packet seriously not get a better stock photo of pedestrian lights rather than one of temporary lights from Wales!!
There shouldn't be traffic lights, a bridge yes, but not lights. also can the packet seriously not get a better stock photo of pedestrian lights rather than one of temporary lights from Wales!! ereinoesyou
  • Score: -10

12:03am Mon 28 Jul 14

ereinoesyou says...

Peter Falmouth wrote:
ereinoesyou wrote:
There shouldn't be traffic lights, a bridge yes, but not lights.

also can the packet seriously not get a better stock photo of pedestrian lights rather than one of temporary lights from Wales!!
yeah of course the council can afford a bridge, get real. You wouldn't want to have to stop at lights would you now on your pedal cycle you said you have. And what does it matter what the stock photo is like, google it did you, oh let's all google traffic lights!!! Your're always moaning about the articles not being of interest or the photos being wrong, get a life.
Peter how about you chill the hell out. Im simply stating that traffic lights on that roundabout wouldnt work. Look at the traffic chaos thats at trafalgar roundabout in truro every morning. Prehaps if the council didnt waste all the backhanders they receive from supermarkets and housing developers they could afford a bridge. Do you doubt I have a "pedal cycle" or something? No I didnt google it. Its obvious to anyone with eyes that its welsh as the sign is in english, and welsh. I think youre probably a lonely man arent you. Got nothing better to do with your time than criticise and belittle others. If anybody needs to get a life buddy its you.
[quote][p][bold]Peter Falmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ereinoesyou[/bold] wrote: There shouldn't be traffic lights, a bridge yes, but not lights. also can the packet seriously not get a better stock photo of pedestrian lights rather than one of temporary lights from Wales!![/p][/quote]yeah of course the council can afford a bridge, get real. You wouldn't want to have to stop at lights would you now on your pedal cycle you said you have. And what does it matter what the stock photo is like, google it did you, oh let's all google traffic lights!!! Your're always moaning about the articles not being of interest or the photos being wrong, get a life.[/p][/quote]Peter how about you chill the hell out. Im simply stating that traffic lights on that roundabout wouldnt work. Look at the traffic chaos thats at trafalgar roundabout in truro every morning. Prehaps if the council didnt waste all the backhanders they receive from supermarkets and housing developers they could afford a bridge. Do you doubt I have a "pedal cycle" or something? No I didnt google it. Its obvious to anyone with eyes that its welsh as the sign is in english, and welsh. I think youre probably a lonely man arent you. Got nothing better to do with your time than criticise and belittle others. If anybody needs to get a life buddy its you. ereinoesyou
  • Score: 1

5:54am Mon 28 Jul 14

hiitscharlie says...

There should definitely be a crossing. I have stood for ages waiting for someone to let me across. In the end you have to run for it.
Drivers approach the roundabout far too quickly and when they exit they are not looking for pedestrians.
A bridge would be a good idea but that does not help the disabled.
Maybe traffic lights at the busiest times.
It is a difficult one.
There should definitely be a crossing. I have stood for ages waiting for someone to let me across. In the end you have to run for it. Drivers approach the roundabout far too quickly and when they exit they are not looking for pedestrians. A bridge would be a good idea but that does not help the disabled. Maybe traffic lights at the busiest times. It is a difficult one. hiitscharlie
  • Score: -2

7:57am Mon 28 Jul 14

Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe says...

The number of commenters on here whose primary concern is "traffic flow" is alarming. As nice as it is to sail around smoothly in your car, never being held up by anything, that quite rightly comes a poor second these days to pedestrian/cyclist safety and, shock horror, encouraging reduced car use/greater use of public transport, car-sharing, etc.
The number of commenters on here whose primary concern is "traffic flow" is alarming. As nice as it is to sail around smoothly in your car, never being held up by anything, that quite rightly comes a poor second these days to pedestrian/cyclist safety and, shock horror, encouraging reduced car use/greater use of public transport, car-sharing, etc. Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
  • Score: 0

10:52am Mon 28 Jul 14

Jirakitt says...

Peter Falmouth is god. Do not question him. He knows what's best for you, me and everyone on this his planet. Bow down for his greatness and all powering sir peter. 'You moronic idiots, I used to be a councillor, get a life'.
Peter Falmouth is god. Do not question him. He knows what's best for you, me and everyone on this his planet. Bow down for his greatness and all powering sir peter. 'You moronic idiots, I used to be a councillor, get a life'. Jirakitt
  • Score: -2

4:07pm Mon 28 Jul 14

molesworth says...

In London they have a lot more traffic ALL day long and they have pedestrian crossings with lights and they cope okay. The suggestion for such lights for the outskirts of a sleepy Cornish town with a few more cars for 30 minutes twice a day and we all go into meltdown. How I love these comment pages!
In London they have a lot more traffic ALL day long and they have pedestrian crossings with lights and they cope okay. The suggestion for such lights for the outskirts of a sleepy Cornish town with a few more cars for 30 minutes twice a day and we all go into meltdown. How I love these comment pages! molesworth
  • Score: 1

4:09pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe says...

I once saw a pedestrian (double)crossing a pedestrian crossing a pedestrian crossing.
I once saw a pedestrian (double)crossing a pedestrian crossing a pedestrian crossing. Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
  • Score: -3

7:28pm Mon 28 Jul 14

telstar1962 says...

Y CWRS DDYLID CAEL GOLEUADAU TRAFFIG. COCH, OREN A GWYRDD
Y CWRS DDYLID CAEL GOLEUADAU TRAFFIG. COCH, OREN A GWYRDD telstar1962
  • Score: 1

7:44pm Mon 28 Jul 14

telstar1962 says...

telstar1962 wrote:
Y CWRS DDYLID CAEL GOLEUADAU TRAFFIG. COCH, OREN A GWYRDD
Our South American resident says:

CURSO DEBE SER SEMÁFOROS. ROJO, NARANJA Y VERDE
[quote][p][bold]telstar1962[/bold] wrote: Y CWRS DDYLID CAEL GOLEUADAU TRAFFIG. COCH, OREN A GWYRDD[/p][/quote]Our South American resident says: CURSO DEBE SER SEMÁFOROS. ROJO, NARANJA Y VERDE telstar1962
  • Score: -2

8:28pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Jirakitt says...

Bye Bye Peter Falmouth.
In the process of changing user name?
Bye Bye Peter Falmouth. In the process of changing user name? Jirakitt
  • Score: 1

10:35am Tue 29 Jul 14

Pendennisracer says...

Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe wrote:
The number of commenters on here whose primary concern is "traffic flow" is alarming. As nice as it is to sail around smoothly in your car, never being held up by anything, that quite rightly comes a poor second these days to pedestrian/cyclist safety and, shock horror, encouraging reduced car use/greater use of public transport, car-sharing, etc.
Fair observation about most peoples concern of traffic flow but bear in mind the road is the Penryn By-Pass - a road designed to by-pass the town and it's associated infrastructure.
Deliberately causing delays defeats the object not to mention pollution & noise generated by slowing & accelerating vehicles. Cycle lanes & pedestrian areas need to be included in the original design, not tacked on afterwards.
The whole layout is poorly laid out and needs a redesign, particularly lane lmanagement and pedestrian safety. Not sure how you would get to Asda from the new development in Mabe - guess no walkway through Summerheath?
Perhaps they can sort the by-pass surface and the 20mph limit at the same time!!!
[quote][p][bold]Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe[/bold] wrote: The number of commenters on here whose primary concern is "traffic flow" is alarming. As nice as it is to sail around smoothly in your car, never being held up by anything, that quite rightly comes a poor second these days to pedestrian/cyclist safety and, shock horror, encouraging reduced car use/greater use of public transport, car-sharing, etc.[/p][/quote]Fair observation about most peoples concern of traffic flow but bear in mind the road is the Penryn By-Pass - a road designed to by-pass the town and it's associated infrastructure. Deliberately causing delays defeats the object not to mention pollution & noise generated by slowing & accelerating vehicles. Cycle lanes & pedestrian areas need to be included in the original design, not tacked on afterwards. The whole layout is poorly laid out and needs a redesign, particularly lane lmanagement and pedestrian safety. Not sure how you would get to Asda from the new development in Mabe - guess no walkway through Summerheath? Perhaps they can sort the by-pass surface and the 20mph limit at the same time!!! Pendennisracer
  • Score: 0

12:11pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe says...

Pendennisracer wrote:
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe wrote:
The number of commenters on here whose primary concern is "traffic flow" is alarming. As nice as it is to sail around smoothly in your car, never being held up by anything, that quite rightly comes a poor second these days to pedestrian/cyclist safety and, shock horror, encouraging reduced car use/greater use of public transport, car-sharing, etc.
Fair observation about most peoples concern of traffic flow but bear in mind the road is the Penryn By-Pass - a road designed to by-pass the town and it's associated infrastructure.
Deliberately causing delays defeats the object not to mention pollution & noise generated by slowing & accelerating vehicles. Cycle lanes & pedestrian areas need to be included in the original design, not tacked on afterwards.
The whole layout is poorly laid out and needs a redesign, particularly lane lmanagement and pedestrian safety. Not sure how you would get to Asda from the new development in Mabe - guess no walkway through Summerheath?
Perhaps they can sort the by-pass surface and the 20mph limit at the same time!!!
I understand what you're saying, PR, about it being designed as a bypass and that tacking things on is not ideal. But as towns grow and housing is built on both sides, as is happening here, bypasses can become more akin to the ring roads we see in many cities, which all quite sensibly have regular pedestrian crossings that nobody would surely claim shouldn't be there!
[quote][p][bold]Pendennisracer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe[/bold] wrote: The number of commenters on here whose primary concern is "traffic flow" is alarming. As nice as it is to sail around smoothly in your car, never being held up by anything, that quite rightly comes a poor second these days to pedestrian/cyclist safety and, shock horror, encouraging reduced car use/greater use of public transport, car-sharing, etc.[/p][/quote]Fair observation about most peoples concern of traffic flow but bear in mind the road is the Penryn By-Pass - a road designed to by-pass the town and it's associated infrastructure. Deliberately causing delays defeats the object not to mention pollution & noise generated by slowing & accelerating vehicles. Cycle lanes & pedestrian areas need to be included in the original design, not tacked on afterwards. The whole layout is poorly laid out and needs a redesign, particularly lane lmanagement and pedestrian safety. Not sure how you would get to Asda from the new development in Mabe - guess no walkway through Summerheath? Perhaps they can sort the by-pass surface and the 20mph limit at the same time!!![/p][/quote]I understand what you're saying, PR, about it being designed as a bypass and that tacking things on is not ideal. But as towns grow and housing is built on both sides, as is happening here, bypasses can become more akin to the ring roads we see in many cities, which all quite sensibly have regular pedestrian crossings that nobody would surely claim shouldn't be there! Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
  • Score: 0

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