Nuclear warhead facility could be built near Falmouth

Nuclear warhead facility could be built near Falmouth

Nuclear warhead facility could be built near Falmouth

First published in News

THE people of Falmouth, and more specifically Flushing and Mylor, have more to fear than most if Scotland gains its independence in September, according to a new report from the Royal United Services Institute.

With Scotland declaring itself a nuclear free zone, warheads currently stored at Coulport could be moved to Falmouth to be stored in a specially built nuclear munitions facility built on the headland between Trefusis Point, Flushing and Penarrow Point, Mylor Churchtown.

The report, by Rusi research analyst Hugh Chalmers and research director Malcolm Chalmers, said relocating the Trident nuclear base to England would be both financially and technically feasible.

While the submarines would be based at Devonport, the missiles themselves could be stored at Falmouth. This would be to prevent the chance of a worst case scenario for a potential accident - namely the simultaneous ignition of a boat load of missiles.

“The most desirable location for a munitions facility would therefore be a location where the consequences of such an accident could be mitigated by isolating it from vulnerable populations, and segregating stored missiles, warheads and loading platforms at safe distances from each other,” says the report.

“The option given most credence to date involves developing munitions facility on the Fal Estuary to the north of Falmouth, which offers good shelter and a comparatively isolated location.”

It says the relocation would not be without its problems as Devonport and Falmouth are almost 50 nautical miles apart – over three times the distance between Faslane in Scotland where the submarines are currently based and Coulport.

Local opposition might delay the relocation but it would not stop it, acknowledges the report.

“Displacing the local services, houses and amenities in an area with a strong tourism industry will be very unpopular,” it says. “However it may be the best available option within the UK should Scotland become independent.”

It says that while any relocation could not be completed by the 2020 target date currently set by the Scottish government, it could be put off until 2028, the date the new fleet of Trident submarines is due to enter service.

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3:26pm Thu 14 Aug 14

CousinJack says...

The last time this story was reported, it was Messack Point on the Roseland that was indicated to be the designated site.
Messack makes more sense as its closer to the deepr water channel, is less developed and would be easier to secure.
The last time this story was reported, it was Messack Point on the Roseland that was indicated to be the designated site. Messack makes more sense as its closer to the deepr water channel, is less developed and would be easier to secure. CousinJack
  • Score: -18

6:15pm Thu 14 Aug 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Don't think it would ever happen but could possibly be a good thing for cornwall. Skilled highly paid jobs is what this area needs and this would certainly bring that.
Don't think it would ever happen but could possibly be a good thing for cornwall. Skilled highly paid jobs is what this area needs and this would certainly bring that. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -19

9:24pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Helston John says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Don't think it would ever happen but could possibly be a good thing for cornwall. Skilled highly paid jobs is what this area needs and this would certainly bring that.
No wonder you couldnt understand what Gill meant on the other article, I think you're clueless. Easy for you say, you don't live in Falmouth. Why should Scotland be a nuclear free zone whilst Falmouth or Cornwall gets dumped on. It says relocating it to England, well take it to England then not Cornwall because we have minority status and we ate not England and we don't want it, and what's wrong with Wales anyway.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Don't think it would ever happen but could possibly be a good thing for cornwall. Skilled highly paid jobs is what this area needs and this would certainly bring that.[/p][/quote]No wonder you couldnt understand what Gill meant on the other article, I think you're clueless. Easy for you say, you don't live in Falmouth. Why should Scotland be a nuclear free zone whilst Falmouth or Cornwall gets dumped on. It says relocating it to England, well take it to England then not Cornwall because we have minority status and we ate not England and we don't want it, and what's wrong with Wales anyway. Helston John
  • Score: 9

11:25pm Thu 14 Aug 14

seacom says...

No wonder some are keen to dredge and see the oysters gone ,cometh the the carriers of mass destruction a quite backwater beckons.
No wonder some are keen to dredge and see the oysters gone ,cometh the the carriers of mass destruction a quite backwater beckons. seacom
  • Score: -21

9:12am Fri 15 Aug 14

Ansome says...

What a load of political stirring this is, all they have done is churned out a 1960's report. I think, should the scots decide to bugger off, then the evaluation may be a bit different. At least we won't have to worry about getting the dredging done!
What a load of political stirring this is, all they have done is churned out a 1960's report. I think, should the scots decide to bugger off, then the evaluation may be a bit different. At least we won't have to worry about getting the dredging done! Ansome
  • Score: 5

9:47am Fri 15 Aug 14

Gill Z Martin says...

I will be seeking the views on this subject, from every local political candidate standing for the next general election and vote accordingly.
I will be seeking the views on this subject, from every local political candidate standing for the next general election and vote accordingly. Gill Z Martin
  • Score: 17

11:30am Fri 15 Aug 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Gill Z Martin wrote:
I will be seeking the views on this subject, from every local political candidate standing for the next general election and vote accordingly.
This is only relevant at the next election if the Scots vote for independence which is about as likely as a bunch of Turkey's voting for an early Christmas.
[quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: I will be seeking the views on this subject, from every local political candidate standing for the next general election and vote accordingly.[/p][/quote]This is only relevant at the next election if the Scots vote for independence which is about as likely as a bunch of Turkey's voting for an early Christmas. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -27

11:33am Fri 15 Aug 14

'locallad87' says...

Turkey's/Tories, what's the difference?
Turkey's/Tories, what's the difference? 'locallad87'
  • Score: 24

11:58am Fri 15 Aug 14

Helston John says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
I will be seeking the views on this subject, from every local political candidate standing for the next general election and vote accordingly.
This is only relevant at the next election if the Scots vote for independence which is about as likely as a bunch of Turkey's voting for an early Christmas.
Gill is still entitled to ask her local candidates for the next election what their views are for the future on the subject if she wants.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: I will be seeking the views on this subject, from every local political candidate standing for the next general election and vote accordingly.[/p][/quote]This is only relevant at the next election if the Scots vote for independence which is about as likely as a bunch of Turkey's voting for an early Christmas.[/p][/quote]Gill is still entitled to ask her local candidates for the next election what their views are for the future on the subject if she wants. Helston John
  • Score: 17

1:00pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Ansome says...

Never underestimate the Scots when it comes to decisions - they tend to act on the heart, not the brain.
Never underestimate the Scots when it comes to decisions - they tend to act on the heart, not the brain. Ansome
  • Score: 4

1:01pm Fri 15 Aug 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Helston John wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
I will be seeking the views on this subject, from every local political candidate standing for the next general election and vote accordingly.
This is only relevant at the next election if the Scots vote for independence which is about as likely as a bunch of Turkey's voting for an early Christmas.
Gill is still entitled to ask her local candidates for the next election what their views are for the future on the subject if she wants.
You are right, a valid point. I on the other hand will stick to points that are still relevant.
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: I will be seeking the views on this subject, from every local political candidate standing for the next general election and vote accordingly.[/p][/quote]This is only relevant at the next election if the Scots vote for independence which is about as likely as a bunch of Turkey's voting for an early Christmas.[/p][/quote]Gill is still entitled to ask her local candidates for the next election what their views are for the future on the subject if she wants.[/p][/quote]You are right, a valid point. I on the other hand will stick to points that are still relevant. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -22

1:27pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Helston John says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Helston John wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Gill Z Martin wrote:
I will be seeking the views on this subject, from every local political candidate standing for the next general election and vote accordingly.
This is only relevant at the next election if the Scots vote for independence which is about as likely as a bunch of Turkey's voting for an early Christmas.
Gill is still entitled to ask her local candidates for the next election what their views are for the future on the subject if she wants.
You are right, a valid point. I on the other hand will stick to points that are still relevant.
What is your problem with Gill lately on here? Her comment is perfectly relevant, some of your comments are not always relevant on here. You seem to me tone put to pick fault with near every comment she makes. And in case you're wondering, I don't know her, never met her and only know what I have read of her comments over the years and letters.

It is perfectly relevant for her to say she will ask her MPs before the next election what their views on the subject are. You are just dogmatically assuming it won't go ahead, well if you think it won't go ahead then your comment is irrelevant about the jobs being created. So get your own comments in order before telling Gill hers are irrelevant.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gill Z Martin[/bold] wrote: I will be seeking the views on this subject, from every local political candidate standing for the next general election and vote accordingly.[/p][/quote]This is only relevant at the next election if the Scots vote for independence which is about as likely as a bunch of Turkey's voting for an early Christmas.[/p][/quote]Gill is still entitled to ask her local candidates for the next election what their views are for the future on the subject if she wants.[/p][/quote]You are right, a valid point. I on the other hand will stick to points that are still relevant.[/p][/quote]What is your problem with Gill lately on here? Her comment is perfectly relevant, some of your comments are not always relevant on here. You seem to me tone put to pick fault with near every comment she makes. And in case you're wondering, I don't know her, never met her and only know what I have read of her comments over the years and letters. It is perfectly relevant for her to say she will ask her MPs before the next election what their views on the subject are. You are just dogmatically assuming it won't go ahead, well if you think it won't go ahead then your comment is irrelevant about the jobs being created. So get your own comments in order before telling Gill hers are irrelevant. Helston John
  • Score: 25

1:55pm Fri 15 Aug 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Oh, right, sorry.
Will try harder in future.
Oh, right, sorry. Will try harder in future. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -17

3:11pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Helston John says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Oh, right, sorry.
Will try harder in future.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Oh, right, sorry. Will try harder in future.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. Helston John
  • Score: 15

3:16pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Helston John says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Oh, right, sorry.
Will try harder in future.
The way you talk to Gill and me on here and meerkats in the past, do you really think you'd make a good Cllr? It would all be ok until someone said something you disagreed with. Then you get stroppy sarcastic and call them liars and cause them of back tracking, and look at this article, you're not prepared to accept Gills opinion, ok you can challenge it or disagree but to blatently say hers is irrelevant after some of your comments, I can't really see you making it as a successful Cllr.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Oh, right, sorry. Will try harder in future.[/p][/quote]The way you talk to Gill and me on here and meerkats in the past, do you really think you'd make a good Cllr? It would all be ok until someone said something you disagreed with. Then you get stroppy sarcastic and call them liars and cause them of back tracking, and look at this article, you're not prepared to accept Gills opinion, ok you can challenge it or disagree but to blatently say hers is irrelevant after some of your comments, I can't really see you making it as a successful Cllr. Helston John
  • Score: 13

4:53pm Fri 15 Aug 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Helston John wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Oh, right, sorry.
Will try harder in future.
The way you talk to Gill and me on here and meerkats in the past, do you really think you'd make a good Cllr? It would all be ok until someone said something you disagreed with. Then you get stroppy sarcastic and call them liars and cause them of back tracking, and look at this article, you're not prepared to accept Gills opinion, ok you can challenge it or disagree but to blatently say hers is irrelevant after some of your comments, I can't really see you making it as a successful Cllr.
Heck you know me too well. Never mind I'm sure you will find someone much more suitable to vote for.
[quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Oh, right, sorry. Will try harder in future.[/p][/quote]The way you talk to Gill and me on here and meerkats in the past, do you really think you'd make a good Cllr? It would all be ok until someone said something you disagreed with. Then you get stroppy sarcastic and call them liars and cause them of back tracking, and look at this article, you're not prepared to accept Gills opinion, ok you can challenge it or disagree but to blatently say hers is irrelevant after some of your comments, I can't really see you making it as a successful Cllr.[/p][/quote]Heck you know me too well. Never mind I'm sure you will find someone much more suitable to vote for. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: 6

8:18am Sat 16 Aug 14

Helston John says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Helston John wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Oh, right, sorry.
Will try harder in future.
The way you talk to Gill and me on here and meerkats in the past, do you really think you'd make a good Cllr? It would all be ok until someone said something you disagreed with. Then you get stroppy sarcastic and call them liars and cause them of back tracking, and look at this article, you're not prepared to accept Gills opinion, ok you can challenge it or disagree but to blatently say hers is irrelevant after some of your comments, I can't really see you making it as a successful Cllr.
Heck you know me too well. Never mind I'm sure you will find someone much more suitable to vote for.
I will, I'll vote for Cllr Haycock again like I did before, she's Helston South and so are you. You wouldn't be able to be a Cornwall Cllr, you have to be able to send out legible emails for a start and for someone that always says he can't make council meetings, regeneration meetings, or any other meetings, how you going to find the time for a Cornwall Cllr. No good you standing for North ward, Phil Martin would beat you any day, and no good you standing for Helston the other end because you don't live in Porthleven.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Oh, right, sorry. Will try harder in future.[/p][/quote]The way you talk to Gill and me on here and meerkats in the past, do you really think you'd make a good Cllr? It would all be ok until someone said something you disagreed with. Then you get stroppy sarcastic and call them liars and cause them of back tracking, and look at this article, you're not prepared to accept Gills opinion, ok you can challenge it or disagree but to blatently say hers is irrelevant after some of your comments, I can't really see you making it as a successful Cllr.[/p][/quote]Heck you know me too well. Never mind I'm sure you will find someone much more suitable to vote for.[/p][/quote]I will, I'll vote for Cllr Haycock again like I did before, she's Helston South and so are you. You wouldn't be able to be a Cornwall Cllr, you have to be able to send out legible emails for a start and for someone that always says he can't make council meetings, regeneration meetings, or any other meetings, how you going to find the time for a Cornwall Cllr. No good you standing for North ward, Phil Martin would beat you any day, and no good you standing for Helston the other end because you don't live in Porthleven. Helston John
  • Score: 1

8:22am Sat 16 Aug 14

Helston John says...

ronedgcumbe wrote:
Helston John wrote:
ronedgcumbe wrote:
Oh, right, sorry.
Will try harder in future.
The way you talk to Gill and me on here and meerkats in the past, do you really think you'd make a good Cllr? It would all be ok until someone said something you disagreed with. Then you get stroppy sarcastic and call them liars and cause them of back tracking, and look at this article, you're not prepared to accept Gills opinion, ok you can challenge it or disagree but to blatently say hers is irrelevant after some of your comments, I can't really see you making it as a successful Cllr.
Heck you know me too well. Never mind I'm sure you will find someone much more suitable to vote for.
Just voted your comment down, but realised I should have voted it up because yes that is a brilliant idea to vote for someone more suitable than you.
[quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helston John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronedgcumbe[/bold] wrote: Oh, right, sorry. Will try harder in future.[/p][/quote]The way you talk to Gill and me on here and meerkats in the past, do you really think you'd make a good Cllr? It would all be ok until someone said something you disagreed with. Then you get stroppy sarcastic and call them liars and cause them of back tracking, and look at this article, you're not prepared to accept Gills opinion, ok you can challenge it or disagree but to blatently say hers is irrelevant after some of your comments, I can't really see you making it as a successful Cllr.[/p][/quote]Heck you know me too well. Never mind I'm sure you will find someone much more suitable to vote for.[/p][/quote]Just voted your comment down, but realised I should have voted it up because yes that is a brilliant idea to vote for someone more suitable than you. Helston John
  • Score: 9

7:57pm Mon 18 Aug 14

alframseyssexdungeon says...

With all due respect to posts above, the chances of nukes being stored at Falmouth begin at nothing and taper off.

Still, weirder things have happened.
With all due respect to posts above, the chances of nukes being stored at Falmouth begin at nothing and taper off. Still, weirder things have happened. alframseyssexdungeon
  • Score: -2

10:15pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Charlie Hall says...

I hate to get all you good people very worried but what you don't hear about, in your local or national press, is the groundswell of opinion in favour of Independence.
Today I was out delivering leaflets and a man in the street stopped me. He had seen my "Yes Scotland" plastic bag. He just wanted to tell me that his entire family of 5 persons has not voted at the General Election this century because he does not see the point in doing so as we always get the government that is voted for in England. Only on 4 occasions out of the last 18 General Elections has the party with a majority at Westminster been the majority party in Scotland.
However, all five will be voting at the referendum and will all be voting "Yes". I hear lots of stories like this and the internet is full of prominent "No" campaigners leaving them and coming over to "Yes".
William Hill has issued statistics which show that 79% of all people placing bets in Scotland on the outcome are betting "Yes". I'm sure that having bet on "Yes", they won't go out and vote "No". This is the groundswell that the press or the BBC don't want you to see or hear about. There is very likely to be a much more substantial "Yes" vote than the so-called opinion polls suggest. I believe those polls are biased. I expect Scotland to vote for Independence.
I hate to get all you good people very worried but what you don't hear about, in your local or national press, is the groundswell of opinion in favour of Independence. Today I was out delivering leaflets and a man in the street stopped me. He had seen my "Yes Scotland" plastic bag. He just wanted to tell me that his entire family of 5 persons has not voted at the General Election this century because he does not see the point in doing so as we always get the government that is voted for in England. Only on 4 occasions out of the last 18 General Elections has the party with a majority at Westminster been the majority party in Scotland. However, all five will be voting at the referendum and will all be voting "Yes". I hear lots of stories like this and the internet is full of prominent "No" campaigners leaving them and coming over to "Yes". William Hill has issued statistics which show that 79% of all people placing bets in Scotland on the outcome are betting "Yes". I'm sure that having bet on "Yes", they won't go out and vote "No". This is the groundswell that the press or the BBC don't want you to see or hear about. There is very likely to be a much more substantial "Yes" vote than the so-called opinion polls suggest. I believe those polls are biased. I expect Scotland to vote for Independence. Charlie Hall
  • Score: 6

11:31pm Mon 18 Aug 14

ronedgcumbe says...

Don't really think people in England give two hoots rather Scotland leave or not. Will leave the political system biased towards the right for a time but that would hopefully stabilise.
Don't really think people in England give two hoots rather Scotland leave or not. Will leave the political system biased towards the right for a time but that would hopefully stabilise. ronedgcumbe
  • Score: -5

6:14pm Tue 19 Aug 14

alframseyssexdungeon says...

Charlie Hall wrote:
I hate to get all you good people very worried but what you don't hear about, in your local or national press, is the groundswell of opinion in favour of Independence.
Today I was out delivering leaflets and a man in the street stopped me. He had seen my "Yes Scotland" plastic bag. He just wanted to tell me that his entire family of 5 persons has not voted at the General Election this century because he does not see the point in doing so as we always get the government that is voted for in England. Only on 4 occasions out of the last 18 General Elections has the party with a majority at Westminster been the majority party in Scotland.
However, all five will be voting at the referendum and will all be voting "Yes". I hear lots of stories like this and the internet is full of prominent "No" campaigners leaving them and coming over to "Yes".
William Hill has issued statistics which show that 79% of all people placing bets in Scotland on the outcome are betting "Yes". I'm sure that having bet on "Yes", they won't go out and vote "No". This is the groundswell that the press or the BBC don't want you to see or hear about. There is very likely to be a much more substantial "Yes" vote than the so-called opinion polls suggest. I believe those polls are biased. I expect Scotland to vote for Independence.
Thanks for that, Charlie. As if a "yes" campaigner would say anything different.

As it is, my metaphorical five quid says you're in for a big disappointment. (a) those staying quiet are more likely to vote no, and (b) once they have you'll still have to deal with the fired-up animosity between the two camps (plus England). Well done on that one.

Lastly, I didn't vote for Labour, but that's the government we got three times in a row courtesy of Scottish voters. Works both ways, me old china.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Hall[/bold] wrote: I hate to get all you good people very worried but what you don't hear about, in your local or national press, is the groundswell of opinion in favour of Independence. Today I was out delivering leaflets and a man in the street stopped me. He had seen my "Yes Scotland" plastic bag. He just wanted to tell me that his entire family of 5 persons has not voted at the General Election this century because he does not see the point in doing so as we always get the government that is voted for in England. Only on 4 occasions out of the last 18 General Elections has the party with a majority at Westminster been the majority party in Scotland. However, all five will be voting at the referendum and will all be voting "Yes". I hear lots of stories like this and the internet is full of prominent "No" campaigners leaving them and coming over to "Yes". William Hill has issued statistics which show that 79% of all people placing bets in Scotland on the outcome are betting "Yes". I'm sure that having bet on "Yes", they won't go out and vote "No". This is the groundswell that the press or the BBC don't want you to see or hear about. There is very likely to be a much more substantial "Yes" vote than the so-called opinion polls suggest. I believe those polls are biased. I expect Scotland to vote for Independence.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that, Charlie. As if a "yes" campaigner would say anything different. As it is, my metaphorical five quid says you're in for a big disappointment. (a) those staying quiet are more likely to vote no, and (b) once they have you'll still have to deal with the fired-up animosity between the two camps (plus England). Well done on that one. Lastly, I didn't vote for Labour, but that's the government we got three times in a row courtesy of Scottish voters. Works both ways, me old china. alframseyssexdungeon
  • Score: -4

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