New Helston town slogan is announced
7:00am Thursday 13th December 2012 in Helston
Following last week’s announcement of the new brand for Helston, the slogan to accompany it has also been revealed.
This will be ‘Positive people, perfect place’. The option of the Cornish translation, ‘tus posedhek, tyller perfydh’ is also available.
The slogan will be used next to the Celebration Star logo, which was voted the winner from six designs that were put to the public to choose from.
Now the branding has been decided it will be used to promote Helston nationally and internationally.
What do you think, have your say below.
Comments(117)
Gill Zella Martin 09
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7:17am Thu 13 Dec 12
Three Word Wonder
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7:22am Thu 13 Dec 12
but 'perfect place' may just take a little while longer to aspire to
therefore Helston still remains
Quaint Cornish Town
Three Word Wonder
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7:25am Thu 13 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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7:31am Thu 13 Dec 12
molesworth
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12:48pm Fri 14 Dec 12
God, I hope Falmouth doesn't do this as well...
ronedgcumbe
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1:46pm Fri 14 Dec 12
ronedgcumbe
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1:50pm Fri 14 Dec 12
Three Word Wonder
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1:52pm Fri 14 Dec 12
Helston, Home of the Furry Dance, and neither the Brand 'design' or slogan truly reflects this
I agree Molesworth, all too modern for Helston which is a
Quaint Cornish Town
Gill Zella Martin 09
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3:58pm Fri 14 Dec 12
molesworth
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4:58pm Fri 14 Dec 12
ronedgcumbe
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9:12pm Fri 14 Dec 12
molesworth
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7:23am Sat 15 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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10:21am Sat 15 Dec 12
ronedgcumbe wrote:I agree Ron that is a good one.
How about "Full of Helston promise"
ronedgcumbe
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1:51pm Sat 15 Dec 12
What we have got now is so weak I think it could course damage to the image Helston already has.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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5:47pm Sat 15 Dec 12
rwarwicker
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6:50pm Sat 15 Dec 12
"Be a clown, visit Helston town". From a few times I've been to Helston would be silly like a clown to visit again.
meerkats
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7:07pm Sat 15 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09 wrote:Iagree , the combined picture you suggested would be a much better idea. Simple, and showing what Helston has to offer ,rather than having to use your imagination staring at a logo, which even now i still can't see any resemblance to the middle of a lily of the valley flower!! (or anything else come to that).
'Achieving positive outcomes' can be difficult as everyone has different ideas, however, I personally would be more likely attracted to a town if the branding showed you something or told you something about what the town offers. A combined picture of Flora day, Christmas lights, the museum and Coronation lake alongside coffee shops would attract me into the town if I had never been there. With a slogan of ' Helston, something to see and do all year round' alongside a logo that was plain and simple like a Lilly of the valley flower. (Not one that only resembles a Lilly of the valley flower sort of, if you stare at in the middle with a vivid imagination after drinking a couple of Baileys)
meerkats
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7:08pm Sat 15 Dec 12
rwarwicker wrote:very negative comment .
How about
"Be a clown, visit Helston town". From a few times I've been to Helston would be silly like a clown to visit again.
ronedgcumbe
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7:34pm Sat 15 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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8:14pm Sat 15 Dec 12
rwarwicker wrote:Is that not rather a contradictory statement, because if you visited Helston a few times, then that means that you already visited again.
How about
"Be a clown, visit Helston town". From a few times I've been to Helston would be silly like a clown to visit again.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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8:17pm Sat 15 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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8:28pm Sat 15 Dec 12
meerkats wrote:I was in Carnon Downs garden centre today and saw a white Lilly flower and thought about the Helston logo and so i stared into the centre of the Lilly trying to visualise the inner shape of the Helston logo and the fact that it is supposed to mirror the image of the centre of a Lilly of the valley flower, however, all that happened was the flower dropped off.
Gill Zella Martin 09 wrote:Iagree , the combined picture you suggested would be a much better idea. Simple, and showing what Helston has to offer ,rather than having to use your imagination staring at a logo, which even now i still can't see any resemblance to the middle of a lily of the valley flower!! (or anything else come to that).
'Achieving positive outcomes' can be difficult as everyone has different ideas, however, I personally would be more likely attracted to a town if the branding showed you something or told you something about what the town offers. A combined picture of Flora day, Christmas lights, the museum and Coronation lake alongside coffee shops would attract me into the town if I had never been there. With a slogan of ' Helston, something to see and do all year round' alongside a logo that was plain and simple like a Lilly of the valley flower. (Not one that only resembles a Lilly of the valley flower sort of, if you stare at in the middle with a vivid imagination after drinking a couple of Baileys)
rwarwicker
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8:55pm Sat 15 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09 wrote:Yes it is contradictory, as none of my other visits have been through my own choice, but enforced due to various reasons.
rwarwicker wrote:Is that not rather a contradictory statement, because if you visited Helston a few times, then that means that you already visited again.
How about
"Be a clown, visit Helston town". From a few times I've been to Helston would be silly like a clown to visit again.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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7:04am Sun 16 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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7:34am Sun 16 Dec 12
ronedgcumbe
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8:51am Sun 16 Dec 12
I also vote we increase footfall in the town by making more free parking in coinagehall street and the trengrouse way car park free for the first two hours.We will then have a level playing field with the supermarkets which is what the money was intended for.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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9:33am Sun 16 Dec 12
ronedgcumbe wrote:I think if anything, they should compromise and only employ one apprentice on a trial basis. I do agree Ron that free parking is really the only thing that would make it a level playing field with the supermarkets. Porthleven is good because a pound covers all day which I am quite happy to pay, the point being is that I am not clock watching then worrying about the car park if I decide to stay longer. Very often if I am am going home from somewhere further afield I will go through Porthleven and pick up my shopping in Cost Cutters and any other shopping/take away meal because the parking is easier and cheaper than Helston.
I vote we stop wasting money on employing people we dont need.
I also vote we increase footfall in the town by making more free parking in coinagehall street and the trengrouse way car park free for the first two hours.We will then have a level playing field with the supermarkets which is what the money was intended for.
meerkats
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11:49am Sun 16 Dec 12
FRIENDS OF JOHN BOASE wrote:With friends like you, who needs enemies. here we go yet again.
This is the best the group of us can come up with:
FREELOADER BOOZE SACKED
TOWN LEAPS AHEAD
6 words that exactly summaries what has been happening to our lovely Town.
The Good Shepheard
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12:10pm Sun 16 Dec 12
This group, whoever they are, were extremely vocal about supporting John Boase, trashing anyone who posted a less than flattering comment. They lobbied very hard and applied enormous pressure to get two councillors to change their mind, which they eventually did,
and thus he was re-elected by the slimmest of majorities. So in that sense they were his strongest supporters.
However when he lost the vote of no confidence, and then was found to have broken his own code of conduct, abd with the fiasco over his Masonic links, they clearly decided enough was enough and began to call for him to go.
I think to dismiss this group, who obviously were operating with Boase support and encouragement, is a mistake.
They clearly know a lot more about the situation than us outsiders, but I would be very interested to hear, if they want to, as to why they had this complete change of heart.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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1:00pm Sun 16 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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1:20pm Sun 16 Dec 12
I personally would not be influenced by the opinions of anyone that cannot hold a rational debate without making personal derogatory comments to someone, at least not if they did not apologize.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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1:24pm Sun 16 Dec 12
meerkats
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2:46pm Sun 16 Dec 12
The Good Shepheard wrote:I dont think i have jumped to the wrong conclusion , perhaps the Friends of John Boase can explain their comment.
I think you are reaching the wrong conclusions meerkats.
This group, whoever they are, were extremely vocal about supporting John Boase, trashing anyone who posted a less than flattering comment. They lobbied very hard and applied enormous pressure to get two councillors to change their mind, which they eventually did,
and thus he was re-elected by the slimmest of majorities. So in that sense they were his strongest supporters.
However when he lost the vote of no confidence, and then was found to have broken his own code of conduct, abd with the fiasco over his Masonic links, they clearly decided enough was enough and began to call for him to go.
I think to dismiss this group, who obviously were operating with Boase support and encouragement, is a mistake.
They clearly know a lot more about the situation than us outsiders, but I would be very interested to hear, if they want to, as to why they had this complete change of heart.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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5:01pm Sun 16 Dec 12
The Good Shepheard wrote:The Good Shepheard mentions the code of conduct.
I think you are reaching the wrong conclusions meerkats.
This group, whoever they are, were extremely vocal about supporting John Boase, trashing anyone who posted a less than flattering comment. They lobbied very hard and applied enormous pressure to get two councillors to change their mind, which they eventually did,
and thus he was re-elected by the slimmest of majorities. So in that sense they were his strongest supporters.
However when he lost the vote of no confidence, and then was found to have broken his own code of conduct, abd with the fiasco over his Masonic links, they clearly decided enough was enough and began to call for him to go.
I think to dismiss this group, who obviously were operating with Boase support and encouragement, is a mistake.
They clearly know a lot more about the situation than us outsiders, but I would be very interested to hear, if they want to, as to why they had this complete change of heart.
Cornwall Council 'hearings' into the code of conduct that could be dealt with 'in house' within local town councils cost the local tax payers hundreds of pounds unnecessarily. Therefore may I suggest that next time anyone is considering bringing about about a code of conduct hearing, they ask themselves is it really worth the cost to the tax payer and are they doing it for the right reasons, or subjective reasons, because I very much doubt anyone likes tax payers money wasted, particularly if it were to be instigated by a town councillor.
I thought the new Helston logo/slogan was supposed to be Positive People, Perfect Place.
helztonboy
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8:49pm Sun 16 Dec 12
ronedgcumbe
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9:42pm Sun 16 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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7:42am Mon 17 Dec 12
helztonboy wrote:The comments on this article reflect the decision that has already been made for the branding by the town manager, therefore I wouldn't really expect to find any ideas on here, only opinions on the branding, although Ron has come up with some good ones re parking etc. I personally do not think you need large committees with some paid members necessarily to achieve things, take a look at Cornwall Council, you have the cabinet that make most of the decisions (and probably money) to the detriment of the opinions of the majority of the rest of the councillors, luckily enough, that is about to change in the near future. I therefore think it is all about the BIP and the town management team engaging and listening to the residents of Helston, obviously someone has to make a final decision, and if you hire a town manager then you have to let him manage, but, to me the branding idea was not explained to the public properly up front nor were the public opinions taken very much into consideration. It is after all the public that they are trying to encourage into Helston to shop. I think Ron would make a good councillor because he seems to want to sort out the basics first. I am not saying the BIP is not a good idea, however, what I am saying is that any ideas they come up with or the town management team come up with would be better put to the public first and ascertaining the general consensus and additionally not having secret meetings to discuss possibilities of taking on apprentices and the like.
with all of your wonderful positive comments and ideas I'm looking forward to seeing you all put yourself up for election for the next town council, or maybe volunteer to help the BIP by joining their committees
telstar1962
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11:00am Mon 17 Dec 12
the news article said
''Now the branding has been decided it will be used to promote Helston nationally and internationally''
Everyone connected with spending the Supermarkets filthy lucre should concentrate on getting local people in to the Town Centre first, then worry about visitors from Stratford and New York last.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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12:58pm Mon 17 Dec 12
telstar1962
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1:45pm Mon 17 Dec 12
n grass verges which are the responsibility of Cornwall Council.
It is not all about money, but having pride in your local community ( what do Truro or Camborne office staff care what the outskirts of Helston looks like?)
My post was more about making it easy for residents to shop in Town, than spending time and effort enticing customers from 'up country' or from 'across the globe'
Get it right for your own citizens first, then concentrate on the rest of the world
Gill Zella Martin 09
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2:08pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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3:21pm Mon 17 Dec 12
meerkats
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4:29pm Mon 17 Dec 12
telstar1962
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5:39pm Mon 17 Dec 12
1. Park and Ride from supermarkets,or land near to Premier Inn to Town Centre ?
2. A trial free bus service for everyone for certain days leading up to Christmas ?
3.Free parking on certain days before Christmas?
Just three ideas which could be explored. No doubt the problem being red-tape and bureaucracy ?
But if we now have positive people,and are widely advertising this fact,then someone should be pushing for the redevelopment of the land opposite the Premier Inn, to bring businesses or a small shopping mall to the outskirts of town.
I sent an e-mail to the Town Clerk some time ago which was not responded to, suggesting the derelict land should be looked at again for other purposes other than what has already been agreed.
In many other towns, having new development in the area actually helps and stimulates other small businesses, if set up correctly.
A small out-of-town shopping area,with controlled free parking, a transport shuttle to and from the town centre etc etc
These are just some of my ideas as a positive person, and if the larger project as described is a non-starter, then at least would somebody reading this from the various interested parties, HBIP,Focus Groups,Breakfast Clubs, Town Council,Town Mayor, Town Centre Manager, Town Centre Manager's Secretary, Town Centre Manager's Apprentices, Town Councillors, County Councillors, Business Owners,Church Leaders,Bus Operators,.... take note of a couple of the simple things as described above, and try them in 12 months time ?
meerkats
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6:03pm Mon 17 Dec 12
telstar1962 wrote:i agree re the derelict land near the Premier Inn being put to use as at the moment it seems to be used for a dog walking area, A retail park would be ideal .like the idea too of the shuttle service, i believe that they have one at Falmouth which has proved very popular. Positive people coming up with good ideas , lets hope someone takes notice.
GZM makes sense ( as usual )
1. Park and Ride from supermarkets,or land near to Premier Inn to Town Centre ?
2. A trial free bus service for everyone for certain days leading up to Christmas ?
3.Free parking on certain days before Christmas?
Just three ideas which could be explored. No doubt the problem being red-tape and bureaucracy ?
But if we now have positive people,and are widely advertising this fact,then someone should be pushing for the redevelopment of the land opposite the Premier Inn, to bring businesses or a small shopping mall to the outskirts of town.
I sent an e-mail to the Town Clerk some time ago which was not responded to, suggesting the derelict land should be looked at again for other purposes other than what has already been agreed.
In many other towns, having new development in the area actually helps and stimulates other small businesses, if set up correctly.
A small out-of-town shopping area,with controlled free parking, a transport shuttle to and from the town centre etc etc
These are just some of my ideas as a positive person, and if the larger project as described is a non-starter, then at least would somebody reading this from the various interested parties, HBIP,Focus Groups,Breakfast Clubs, Town Council,Town Mayor, Town Centre Manager, Town Centre Manager's Secretary, Town Centre Manager's Apprentices, Town Councillors, County Councillors, Business Owners,Church Leaders,Bus Operators,.... take note of a couple of the simple things as described above, and try them in 12 months time ?
Gill Zella Martin 09
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6:12pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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6:34pm Mon 17 Dec 12
telstar1962
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6:34pm Mon 17 Dec 12
A partnership between the supermarkets and all the groups in Town. Are the supermarkets involved in all the Clubs and Groups recently set up to help the Town ?
If not, why not ?
The park and ride could be operated from numerous locations
telstar1962
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6:40pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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6:50pm Mon 17 Dec 12
telstar1962
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7:14pm Mon 17 Dec 12
With a capacity of 480 spaces in Tesco's new car park, there will always be a minority who abuse, but I have never seen every space occupied
Is anyone aware if people on the various organizations I listed on a previous post actually read this site ?
Gill Zella Martin 09
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7:30pm Mon 17 Dec 12
meerkats
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7:34pm Mon 17 Dec 12
telstar1962 wrote:Good comment once again, went to Penzance on Saturday and it was really busy ,it would be lovely to see Helston like this. Instead of logos and slogans ,get the town back to a lovely shopping area like it used to be.
The object of the exercise is to have a lively, vibrant Town Centre which is easier to get in and out of. If the occupancy rate for business premises was nearer 100% then Cornwall Council would be receiving lots more NDR (Business Rates) and could then readjust their targets for car parking fees
meerkats
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7:37pm Mon 17 Dec 12
helztonboy
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8:00pm Mon 17 Dec 12
you mention Penzance was busy and it would be nice to see Helston busy like it.
If you and others were shopping in Helston rather than in Penzance then Helston would be busier!
There is no magic wand and shops wont come just because we would like them to, they come to busy towns to make money, more people coming to Helston to use what's already there will attract new shops.
From what I can see the BIP are doing their best, its now down to the shoppers to start using the town more.
parking appears to be an excuse, its only a £1 for two hours, I bet most of us could save that by using the local shops. Or better still rather than overspending at the supermarkets and falling for their super 2 for 3 deals and then throwing it away when its out of date, buy locally and just buy what you need.
its up to us as shoppers to change things and improve Helston.
dont take the easy option and buy everything in the supermarkets,
why not use the fruit and veg shop and buy one or two locally grow apples rather than a big bag of South African apples which you might throw a few away?
why not use the butchers and buy some local meat rather than getting a ready meal?
why not buy a small loaf of locally made bread rather than artificial bread in a long life bag?
why not use the 'tub' shop and many products cheaper and in the quantities you really want and need?
why not use the sweet shop in town and buy local fudge rather than a multipack of cheap sweet chocolate?
Why not use the town, because if you dont more businesses will close and things will get worse.
Use it and more shops will come.
Dont be lazy, spend a pound in the car parks and save your town!
telstar1962
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8:16pm Mon 17 Dec 12
That's exactly what I've done for the last two years, and found I do not need to shop at Tesco.
Strange but true
A few more of you should try it. It works and in the long run you save money shopping local
A park n ride would encourage shoppers to do the same. It just needs a nudge in the right direction, because shoppers have been brainwashed into thinking that Tesco is all they need
Gill Zella Martin 09
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8:23pm Mon 17 Dec 12
helztonboy wrote:I shop in Helston regularly, Oliver's butchers, WHS, Super Drug, Boots, Factory shop, jewellers for repairs, Williams, furniture, flooring., sweets newspapers, the post office, independent shops etc, bearing in mind I live in a outlying village and support the village shops as well, plus Porthleven shops seeing as I spend a lot of time there. I am not lazy and am quite happy to pay a pound for parking. However, I face reality and there are a lot of people that will not pay for parking and there are a lot of people that rely on buses and there are bus shelters at the supermarkets there are none in the town. I listen to what others want out of a town. To suggest that people they are lazy is not in my opinion the best way to promote Helston. Other people do have to visit other towns for hospitals and work commitments as well and therefore may shop while they are there. I personally think it is not wise to judge people or their circumstances.
just a thought..
you mention Penzance was busy and it would be nice to see Helston busy like it.
If you and others were shopping in Helston rather than in Penzance then Helston would be busier!
There is no magic wand and shops wont come just because we would like them to, they come to busy towns to make money, more people coming to Helston to use what's already there will attract new shops.
From what I can see the BIP are doing their best, its now down to the shoppers to start using the town more.
parking appears to be an excuse, its only a £1 for two hours, I bet most of us could save that by using the local shops. Or better still rather than overspending at the supermarkets and falling for their super 2 for 3 deals and then throwing it away when its out of date, buy locally and just buy what you need.
its up to us as shoppers to change things and improve Helston.
dont take the easy option and buy everything in the supermarkets,
why not use the fruit and veg shop and buy one or two locally grow apples rather than a big bag of South African apples which you might throw a few away?
why not use the butchers and buy some local meat rather than getting a ready meal?
why not buy a small loaf of locally made bread rather than artificial bread in a long life bag?
why not use the 'tub' shop and many products cheaper and in the quantities you really want and need?
why not use the sweet shop in town and buy local fudge rather than a multipack of cheap sweet chocolate?
Why not use the town, because if you dont more businesses will close and things will get worse.
Use it and more shops will come.
Dont be lazy, spend a pound in the car parks and save your town!
Gill Zella Martin 09
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8:36pm Mon 17 Dec 12
helztonboy
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8:39pm Mon 17 Dec 12
I'm now aware of the problems and am trying my best to change my shopping habits.
what I am saying is at least the BIP, TCM and TC are trying to make things better, BUT its now up to the shoppers.
The more we spend in Helston the better it will get
Gill Zella Martin 09
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8:47pm Mon 17 Dec 12
telstar1962
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8:51pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Most people are creatures of habit, and they need to be shown that there are alternatives to their shopping habits.
Busy,positive people find time to do more in one day, than lazy people could ever do in one week
Gill Zella Martin 09
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8:56pm Mon 17 Dec 12
helztonboy wrote:I do understand what you are saying about the HBIP and TCM and TC are trying to make things better, and it is up to shoppers but it still brings me back to saying that the HBIP, TCM and Town Council need to listen to what people want, I strongly believe communication is important. Why the need for secret meetings.
I'm not accusing anyone on here of being lazy, more most of us as a population have become lazy in our habits and the the supermarkets and profiting from it. Many of us on here have already started to change our shopping habits, and that is great, but many more have not. I'm as guilty as many of being lazy and using the supermarkets because it is easy.
I'm now aware of the problems and am trying my best to change my shopping habits.
what I am saying is at least the BIP, TCM and TC are trying to make things better, BUT its now up to the shoppers.
The more we spend in Helston the better it will get
Gill Zella Martin 09
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9:10pm Mon 17 Dec 12
telstar1962 wrote:I can't say I am a creature of habit, the only thing I am habitual in is the fact that I am habitually broke.
GZM, I do not think it's a case of laziness
Most people are creatures of habit, and they need to be shown that there are alternatives to their shopping habits.
Busy,positive people find time to do more in one day, than lazy people could ever do in one week
Gill Zella Martin 09
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9:22pm Mon 17 Dec 12
( can't think why they all hide when I turn up though)
meerkats
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9:36pm Mon 17 Dec 12
helztonboy wrote:I Live in Helston ,so dont need to use the car parks, and i am not lazy. The reason why i went to Penzance was because i could not get what i wanted in Helston.
just a thought..
you mention Penzance was busy and it would be nice to see Helston busy like it.
If you and others were shopping in Helston rather than in Penzance then Helston would be busier!
There is no magic wand and shops wont come just because we would like them to, they come to busy towns to make money, more people coming to Helston to use what's already there will attract new shops.
From what I can see the BIP are doing their best, its now down to the shoppers to start using the town more.
parking appears to be an excuse, its only a £1 for two hours, I bet most of us could save that by using the local shops. Or better still rather than overspending at the supermarkets and falling for their super 2 for 3 deals and then throwing it away when its out of date, buy locally and just buy what you need.
its up to us as shoppers to change things and improve Helston.
dont take the easy option and buy everything in the supermarkets,
why not use the fruit and veg shop and buy one or two locally grow apples rather than a big bag of South African apples which you might throw a few away?
why not use the butchers and buy some local meat rather than getting a ready meal?
why not buy a small loaf of locally made bread rather than artificial bread in a long life bag?
why not use the 'tub' shop and many products cheaper and in the quantities you really want and need?
why not use the sweet shop in town and buy local fudge rather than a multipack of cheap sweet chocolate?
Why not use the town, because if you dont more businesses will close and things will get worse.
Use it and more shops will come.
Dont be lazy, spend a pound in the car parks and save your town!
Gill Zella Martin 09
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9:41pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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7:17am Tue 18 Dec 12
Where is the cheapest place in Helston to buy butter, toilet rolls, washing liquid, bottled water, (needed because of the interruption to the water supply because of new build properties being built just for profit) the cheapest place being possibly Tesco's or Sainsbury's, when it is pouring with rain and you have a young child/children to walk round with at their speed or an elderly person and if it is Wednesday and you want to buy some meat (the butchers is closed all day Wednsedays in the town) and you live on the Lizard, the nearest shop is Sainsbury's, free parking no camera car park to worry about, in store cafe with breakfast from half eight in the morning and modern clean toilets. One issue Helston town seriously needs to address to compete with supermarkets is toilet facilities.
telstar1962
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7:24am Tue 18 Dec 12
Where would they all park ? you ask
If they live in Town they don't need to drive in
If they live out of Town, then park your car and do Park n Ride, like a lot of other Towns have started doing.
It is a question of changing peoples routines (whether you think you have one or not)
Finally, and repeating myself, get the customers of the local area back first, then concentrate on the rest of the UK and the world tourists after.
telstar1962
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7:27am Tue 18 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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8:45am Tue 18 Dec 12
I don't have a routine, especially not with my shopping habits, apart from where I buy my petrol. I agree it is the job of the town management team and the HBIP to spend all that lovely money and attract the locals back into town. They could use some of the money and offer vouchers to people for a discounted meal/ drink/cake etc to be used in a cafe of their choice on the town on a certain day of the week.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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8:46am Tue 18 Dec 12
I don't have a routine, especially not with my shopping habits, apart from where I buy my petrol. I agree it is the job of the town management team and the HBIP to spend all that lovely money and attract the locals back into town. They could use some of the money and offer vouchers to people for a discounted meal/ drink/cake etc to be used in a cafe of their choice in the town on a certain day of the week.
meerkats
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9:20am Tue 18 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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10:17am Tue 18 Dec 12
meerkats wrote:Completely agree, only I tend to use Sainsbury's as it has no camera operated car park and a better cafe. I did however buy a TV in Tescos although I do think the TV is a bit rubbish because it rattles and I couldn't take it back because I threw the packaging away and couldn't be bothered with the hassle of taking it back. My car rattled as well but I took that back to Fords and they fixed it, wonder if they are any good with TVs.
To get people in to town we need shops like Iceland ,Poundland etc both that other towns have and do well. Shops wont come into town if it is not busy enough ,and shoppers wont come in if they cant get what they want, so its a difficult situation all round. Ido shop at Tesco but only for groceries, and use the shops in town,ie chemist ,newsagents etc . i dont think its right that supermarkets can sell everything ,but on the other hand if they didnt sell electrical items,many people would be stuck as there is nothing in town since ETS Shut..
I do shop regularly in Helston town, I always think the atmosphere for shopping in the town centre is so much nicer than a supermarket. You get a real service too from shops like Williams etc. The Coffee Bean does lovely meals too.
meerkats
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10:27am Tue 18 Dec 12
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
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10:33am Tue 18 Dec 12
While other places such as Warwickshire ('Shakespeare's county") and Nottingham ("Home of Robin Hood") lamely content themselves with stating specific famous connections, Helston has gone all vague and opted to take the P, four of them to be precise ("Positive People, Perfect Place"). Prospective visitors may indeed feel that the michael is being extracted by this use of such a debatable and woolly slogan and decide not to visit or not to linger.
I think they’ve probably missed a trick by not just stating something nice and simple such as "Home of the Floral Dance", which is after all just about the town’s only claim to fame.
A new updated version of the Terry Wogan hit (in a rap or other modern style perhaps??) could then have been perhaps released by a local artist/band to mark the launch of the new branding.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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11:29am Tue 18 Dec 12
ronedgcumbe
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11:57am Tue 18 Dec 12
meerkats
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12:07pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe wrote:love your comments lol
Don't worry, fellow commenters: now that Helston has that great slogan in place, its problems are over. Visitors will flock to see the town with such an unusual slogan. The signs bearing it will become tourist attractions in their own right...
While other places such as Warwickshire ('Shakespeare's county") and Nottingham ("Home of Robin Hood") lamely content themselves with stating specific famous connections, Helston has gone all vague and opted to take the P, four of them to be precise ("Positive People, Perfect Place"). Prospective visitors may indeed feel that the michael is being extracted by this use of such a debatable and woolly slogan and decide not to visit or not to linger.
I think they’ve probably missed a trick by not just stating something nice and simple such as "Home of the Floral Dance", which is after all just about the town’s only claim to fame.
A new updated version of the Terry Wogan hit (in a rap or other modern style perhaps??) could then have been perhaps released by a local artist/band to mark the launch of the new branding.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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12:42pm Tue 18 Dec 12
ronedgcumbe wrote:Lol, I shouldn't laugh though, I'm trying to be positive about it, I do normally look on the bright side of life. When all these visitors internationally and nationally and in county eventually tell us how good the branding is then I will admit defeat about the idea and say how good it was after all.
Oh finally I get it. It's just a joke. How stupid am I thinking anyone would wasted the Towns money on something as pointless as this.
What I do think was a good use of council money was the installation of the crossing on the Porthleven Road.
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
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12:49pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
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12:53pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Me, I've tried to be positive about the new slogan and I've finally suceeded....I'm positive that it's a load of old tosh!
meerkats
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1:40pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09 wrote:Lets have some comment cards in various shops around the town, for visitors to fill in with their thoughts on the logo and slogan., we may get a true picture if it is all worth it ,but sadly i dont think it will be a positive outcome.
ronedgcumbe wrote:Lol, I shouldn't laugh though, I'm trying to be positive about it, I do normally look on the bright side of life. When all these visitors internationally and nationally and in county eventually tell us how good the branding is then I will admit defeat about the idea and say how good it was after all.
Oh finally I get it. It's just a joke. How stupid am I thinking anyone would wasted the Towns money on something as pointless as this.
What I do think was a good use of council money was the installation of the crossing on the Porthleven Road.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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1:46pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe wrote:Lol, I am going to send a copy of the logo/slogan up country and get a bit of feed back.
To be serious for a second though (and only a second!), it's good that you are always so positive and constructive, Gill: you amount to 'the Voice of Reason' on these pages.
Me, I've tried to be positive about the new slogan and I've finally suceeded....I'm positive that it's a load of old tosh!
ronedgcumbe
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2:05pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09 wrote:l must admit when I think of this logo and slogan now it does make me chuckle. I wonder will I still find it so funny when and if the cost of all this is finally disclosed.
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe wrote:Lol, I am going to send a copy of the logo/slogan up country and get a bit of feed back.
To be serious for a second though (and only a second!), it's good that you are always so positive and constructive, Gill: you amount to 'the Voice of Reason' on these pages.
Me, I've tried to be positive about the new slogan and I've finally suceeded....I'm positive that it's a load of old tosh!
telstar1962
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2:18pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Why not steal Tesco's latest inaccuracy and a reserve slogan could be:
Helston Town : Helping you spend less every day
ronedgcumbe
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2:37pm Tue 18 Dec 12
telstar1962 wrote:I never said it was taxpayers it's the Towns money.
Surely the logo and slogan is costing tax-payers nothing
Why not steal Tesco's latest inaccuracy and a reserve slogan could be:
Helston Town : Helping you spend less every day
Gill Zella Martin 09
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2:49pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Feedback I got so far was - "perfect place is good but not sure about positive people" - " but it doesn't really tell you anything"
"are they having a laugh about the Lilly of the valley flower bit" - "what is it supposed to represent"- "looks quite good I suppose but it could be anywhere" "I like it, it is quite nice" -"where is Helston"
That is feedback from a cross section of people in different parts of the country. It was the last comment that made me laugh. "Where is Helston"
Gill Zella Martin 09
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2:53pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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3:07pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
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3:18pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
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3:20pm Tue 18 Dec 12
meerkats
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3:46pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe wrote:Can,t see many liking that idea.
How about having an annual music festival just outside the town somewhere? I'm sure it's an idea that will go down very badly in some quarters locally but it would certainly bring in some new blood and new ways of thinking, and put Helston on the map among a younger age group, all of which I think is sorely needed.
meerkats
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3:54pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
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3:58pm Tue 18 Dec 12
meerkats
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3:59pm Tue 18 Dec 12
ronedgcumbe wrote:good that we can chuckle about it ,laughter is the best medicine, though we might need something stronger when the cost of this is revealed.
Gill Zella Martin 09 wrote:l must admit when I think of this logo and slogan now it does make me chuckle. I wonder will I still find it so funny when and if the cost of all this is finally disclosed.
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe wrote:Lol, I am going to send a copy of the logo/slogan up country and get a bit of feed back.
To be serious for a second though (and only a second!), it's good that you are always so positive and constructive, Gill: you amount to 'the Voice of Reason' on these pages.
Me, I've tried to be positive about the new slogan and I've finally suceeded....I'm positive that it's a load of old tosh!
Gill Zella Martin 09
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4:14pm Tue 18 Dec 12
molesworth
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4:27pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Personally, if Helston had a decent gentlemens' outfitters that knew a thing or two about cutting cloth and fitting, I would favour the town with my custom. There's none in Falmouth or Truro. In fact, I can't think of one in the whole of the South West. We don't all want to go around permanently dressed for the beach or sporting activities. Just saying...
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
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4:35pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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4:39pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
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4:43pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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4:45pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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4:49pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe wrote:"The town that time forgot" I think that actually would make a very good slogan, I think the intrigue would get people to visit.
Exactly. It would make no difference to the prevailing ambiance of 'Helston: the town that time forgot'. In fact, it would add to it!
molesworth
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4:50pm Tue 18 Dec 12
molesworth
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4:53pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
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4:57pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
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5:05pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Moley, I am picturing a line of pubs selling Spingo-type beer; there would be carnage. Maybe they could do this and make open public drunkeness the norm in Helston, at a time when other towns are coming down hard on such behaviour. That would be 'zagging' in a big way, methinks.
telstar1962
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5:21pm Tue 18 Dec 12
It is Positively the Most Southerly Quaint Cornish Town'
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meerkats
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6:03pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09 wrote:I agree that would have been a brilliant slogan .
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe wrote:"The town that time forgot" I think that actually would make a very good slogan, I think the intrigue would get people to visit.
Exactly. It would make no difference to the prevailing ambiance of 'Helston: the town that time forgot'. In fact, it would add to it!
molesworth
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6:07pm Tue 18 Dec 12
molesworth
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6:12pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe wrote:Nothing new for most Cornish towns on a Saturday night regarding the drunken carnage but I like the idea Bazzer. "The town that likes to Zag' has a certain ring to it.
Gill, maybe the town could also have something a bit more with-it than the Centenary celebrations... Actually, I don't think the phrase 'with-it' is very 'with-it' these days... Oh well!
Moley, I am picturing a line of pubs selling Spingo-type beer; there would be carnage. Maybe they could do this and make open public drunkeness the norm in Helston, at a time when other towns are coming down hard on such behaviour. That would be 'zagging' in a big way, methinks.
molesworth
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6:16pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09
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7:04pm Tue 18 Dec 12
telstar1962 wrote:Agreed telstar, that really should have been incorporated into the branding.
Where is Helston ?
It is Positively the Most Southerly Quaint Cornish Town'
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Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
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9:35am Wed 19 Dec 12
That's got me thinking about renaming places. They did it on a large scale in South Africa after apartheid. Just imagine, I know it would never happen, but if Helston ditched its somewhat misleading appellation for something more flowery, no rebranding exercise would even be needed. The name change and new name could serve as the ultimate marketing tool.
The possibilities are numerous, but anybody fancy a trip to "Floraville"?
telstar1962
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10:18am Wed 19 Dec 12
or back to its Cornish roots
''Hellys''
new slogan
where the Hellys that Town ?
Lord Barrington Forbes-Smythe
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10:53am Wed 19 Dec 12
Or, in a new take on the 80s hit:
"Hellys a place in Cornwall/on Earth"
molesworth
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1:49pm Wed 19 Dec 12
Gill Zella Martin 09 says...
7:04am Thu 13 Dec 12