Helston town centre parking spaces should stay 'exactly as they are'
10:00am Monday 21st January 2013 in Helston
Parking bays in Helston’s Wendron Street should remain exactly as they are, according to the town’s councillors.
The planning committee of the town council had been asked for its views on a proposal to reduce the length of the limited waiting bay by six metres and introduce a short length of “no waiting at any time” restrictions by the entrance to Windsor Court.
Speaking at the start of the meeting, Cornwall councillor Judith Haycock, who represents the Helston central ward, told members that the extra bays outside the St John Ambulance hall had caused problems with visibility for cars leaving Windsor Court.
She believed that by removing a section, the length of one car, would resolve the issue.
A letter of objection from a nearby resident was then read out and after a proposal from councillor Niall Devenish, backed up by councillor John Martin, the committee unanimously recommended that the changes be refused.
They believed there was no evidence that the changes were needed, as they were not aware of any accidents with cars emerging from Windsor Court and Mill Court.
At the same time, reducing the bay by six metres would result in the loss of two free parking spaces, which they felt would “have an impact on the vitality of the town centre.”
Members also had concerns over how effective enforcement currently was over “no waiting” restrictions.
Comments(35)
ronedgcumbe
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3:48pm Mon 21 Jan 13
Gill Zella Martin 09
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6:36pm Mon 21 Jan 13
David Pascoe
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11:57am Tue 22 Jan 13
If you doubt this, ask for a start the Cross Street residents Association. They consider she is a waste of space.
Please stand for both Town Council and Cornwall Council Ron. You speak an awful lot of sense and are clearly in touch with what ordinary working people want sorted out. I hope you are going for the current vacancy on the Town Council, you should sail into the posy.
The simple fact is Cllr Haycock is totally out of her depth, and does not realise she is consider a joke by both the people of Helston and Cornwall Council. Thats why she has never been given a position with any real authority, just non jobs with no influence whatsoever.
ronedgcumbe
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12:28pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Gill Zella Martin 09
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1:01pm Tue 22 Jan 13
The Good Shepheard
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1:06pm Tue 22 Jan 13
I also heard from another neighbour that she used to be on the Town Council some years ago. Apparently at one meeting she complained bitterly no one took her seriously, burst into tears be she was being laughed at, and then promptly resigned.
Ron is so right, the centre of the twon needs decent councillor for the Town, and she is simply not up to the job.
I echo Fred Pascoes comments, please Ron do stand so someone will stand up for the working man and women, not this useless councillor who fails in everything she does.
ronedgcumbe
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1:07pm Tue 22 Jan 13
ronedgcumbe
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1:12pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Gill Zella Martin 09
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1:14pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Ron is it a secret which division of Helston you will be standing for as a Cornwall Councillor ?
Gill Zella Martin 09
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1:15pm Tue 22 Jan 13
ronedgcumbe wrote:Ron don't worry about the allowances, that should not stop anyone standing for councillor.
I am still not sure Gill. I would like to know the outcome of the councilors allowance rise debate before making a decision. The last I heard it was being reconsidered
The Good Shepheard
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1:41pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Thats why I desperately want Ron to stand, so I can vote for him and get a lot of my neighbours to vote for him. We are all absolutely fed up with useless Judith Haycock, who turns her nose up at us and will not talk to many residents unless its to ask people to vote for her. She has been an absolute disaster, and my late Mum told her so.
ronedgcumbe
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1:44pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Gill Zella Martin 09 wrote:No Gill I would like to stand against someone who voted for and intends to accept the allowance as I feel there position would be untenable.
ronedgcumbe wrote:Ron don't worry about the allowances, that should not stop anyone standing for councillor.
I am still not sure Gill. I would like to know the outcome of the councilors allowance rise debate before making a decision. The last I heard it was being reconsidered
Gill Zella Martin 09
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2:05pm Tue 22 Jan 13
The Good Shepheard wrote:Why will Councillor Haycock not talk to many residents ? A councillor should be prepared to talk to anyone, particularly those in the area they represent. Perhaps I may try talking to her. I personally did not think the development proposals were suitable for the old Helston jail because of the lack of parking.
To Gill, yes I have moved. I rented in porthleven, but have now moved into sanctuary lane since my mum passed away. I attended lots of meetings to try and help my mum, who was totally against the old prison development. I stupidly believed what cllr haycock told us all.
Thats why I desperately want Ron to stand, so I can vote for him and get a lot of my neighbours to vote for him. We are all absolutely fed up with useless Judith Haycock, who turns her nose up at us and will not talk to many residents unless its to ask people to vote for her. She has been an absolute disaster, and my late Mum told her so.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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3:02pm Tue 22 Jan 13
ronedgcumbe wrote:Oh dear, if you are referring to who I think you are, I think the person happens to be an excellent Councillor and that they have acheived a great deal for the area they cover and at county level. I would like to see them re elected.
Gill Zella Martin 09 wrote:No Gill I would like to stand against someone who voted for and intends to accept the allowance as I feel there position would be untenable.
ronedgcumbe wrote:Ron don't worry about the allowances, that should not stop anyone standing for councillor.
I am still not sure Gill. I would like to know the outcome of the councilors allowance rise debate before making a decision. The last I heard it was being reconsidered
ronedgcumbe
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3:28pm Tue 22 Jan 13
The Good Shepheard wrote:Thanks The Good Shepheard. I was amazed when the old prison development went ahead. It does seen that residence get heard in some parts of the town and not others. I wonder why?
I live near the old prison, and was absolutely told by Cllr Haycock that she had the ear of the Cornwall planning officer who was making the decision, and it would definately be refused as its too many houses on that site, and parking is already a nightmare around that area. She told quite a few of us that we neednt worry, sas the Cornwall council member for that area she had the last say and it would never be built. Result, its been built.
I also heard from another neighbour that she used to be on the Town Council some years ago. Apparently at one meeting she complained bitterly no one took her seriously, burst into tears be she was being laughed at, and then promptly resigned.
Ron is so right, the centre of the twon needs decent councillor for the Town, and she is simply not up to the job.
I echo Fred Pascoes comments, please Ron do stand so someone will stand up for the working man and women, not this useless councillor who fails in everything she does.
meerkats
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3:41pm Tue 22 Jan 13
meerkats
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3:46pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Gill Zella Martin 09
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4:39pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Gill Zella Martin 09
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4:51pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Gill Zella Martin 09
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5:07pm Tue 22 Jan 13
ronedgcumbe
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10:40pm Tue 22 Jan 13
Ref the other point It was directed at cornwall council who as far as I know have not disclosed a list of sitting councilors intentions as to the increased allowance and not a comment directed at a individual councilor.
I also live in penberthy road so Mrs Haycock is my county representative.
Also Gill I think you are wrong with the restricions that are imposed on county elections as I stood for the lib dems in Wendron without any connection the last county but have learned a bit since then. Stay local.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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7:22am Wed 23 Jan 13
ronedgcumbe wrote:Ron, that was my point exactly, the parking bays need to be in the right place not were they restrict vision on entry/exit to anywhere or cause any problem at all. Thank you for your information, I was only interested as to where you were going to stand for election simply because I would like to see new Councillors replacing those existing ones that in my opinion are not so good, as opposed to seeing existing ones that are very good replaced. Of course that is only my personal opinion and do not expect anyone to agree. I do wonder though if the only reason you were allowed at Wendron was because it is within three miles of Helston and you live in Helston. When you get elected as town councillor please try to stop any more section 106 money being wasted lol as someone previously said, it is all too easy to spend other people's money.
I certainly agree Gill. Many people have been stating this for a long time, Increasing short term free parking will increase passing trade. But not in a position uphill and in a position that could endanger people like at the ambulance hall.
Ref the other point It was directed at cornwall council who as far as I know have not disclosed a list of sitting councilors intentions as to the increased allowance and not a comment directed at a individual councilor.
I also live in penberthy road so Mrs Haycock is my county representative.
Also Gill I think you are wrong with the restricions that are imposed on county elections as I stood for the lib dems in Wendron without any connection the last county but have learned a bit since then. Stay local.
The Good Shepheard
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12:02pm Wed 23 Jan 13
She is a social climber desperate to be seen as The Good & The Great of Helston, and ordinary people cannot help this climb.
For example look at The Packet a few weeks ago, with a picture of Cllr Haycock and Cllrs Boase (also social climbers and desperate to be classed as important people) on the front page outside the Museum, and how they are going to save it from closure. Why have they suddenly become high profile on this cause. Because Sir Ferrers Vyvyan is involved, and they can then namedrop "I said this to Sir Ferrers".
Ordinary people dont count. Simple as that.
And Ron, you are absolutely correct in that Cllr Haycock voted to give herself a 20% payrise, while all the Cornwall Council services are being slashed. Talk about self interest. Shut Helston toilets, but give me a payrise.
QED
JudithH
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6:23pm Wed 23 Jan 13
I have never, at any meeting, “complained bitterly no one took her seriously, burst into tears be she was being laughed”. I did not resign from Helston Town Council; I was elected as a town councillor, severed my term and then did not stand at the 2003 election. In response to your comment “she has never been given a position with any real authority, just non jobs with no influence whatsoever”, I have been the Chairman of one of Cornwall Council’s Scrutiny Committees for the last four years- unanimously elected by the committee every year and next in line in seniority to the cabinet members. I am sorry that you have the impression that “she turns her nose up at us and will not talk to many residents”. All my contact details are publically available, and I am talking to residents, and helping them, 7 days a week.
And by the way Ferris Vyvyan became involved with the Museum after we formed the Trust. He was aware who the Trustees were when he offered his support.
helstonborn
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8:36pm Wed 23 Jan 13
I took the time to find out where Cllr Haycock lives and it's a mere two doors away from the prison development- surely if she 'had the ear of the planning officer' as you claim she said she'd have done everything she could in her own best interest? but planning laws are a pain!
meerkats
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9:17pm Wed 23 Jan 13
helstonborn wrote:I did not say she had the ear of the planning officer in my comment. i will form my own opinion of her if i am in her electoral ward ,i was merely stating that i did not know her and from other comments she doesnt sound popular. i will not be swayed by other peoples opinion and dont think calling other commenters trolls is very nice.
@meerkat- I'm not sure you can count Cllr Haycock as 'not being popular with many' having read the biased opinions of half a dozen internet trolls trying to belittle opposition, especially as half of them are hide behind 'online names' knowing what they type could be considered liable. Get some proper facts and form your own opinions.
I took the time to find out where Cllr Haycock lives and it's a mere two doors away from the prison development- surely if she 'had the ear of the planning officer' as you claim she said she'd have done everything she could in her own best interest? but planning laws are a pain!
Gill Zella Martin 09
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9:28pm Wed 23 Jan 13
helstonborn wrote:As you state half a dozen Internet trolls, I assume I am included in your category. Firstly, I do not have biased opinions, secondly there is no opposition as far as I am concerned as I am not standing for any Councillors job, and I do not know anyone personally that will be standing as a new candidate, added to which I have already stated that I believe there are some very good Councillors within Cornwall Council and I would like to see them re elected. I additionally stated that In my personal opinion there are some not so good ones which I would be happy to see replaced with new candidates, I did not however state that I was referring to any of the Helston Councillors. I am quite aware of Councillor Judith Haycocks achievements and I am never influenced by others opinions, I make my own opinions and that is exactly why I stated I may talk to Councillor Judith Haycock.
@meerkat- I'm not sure you can count Cllr Haycock as 'not being popular with many' having read the biased opinions of half a dozen internet trolls trying to belittle opposition, especially as half of them are hide behind 'online names' knowing what they type could be considered liable. Get some proper facts and form your own opinions.
I took the time to find out where Cllr Haycock lives and it's a mere two doors away from the prison development- surely if she 'had the ear of the planning officer' as you claim she said she'd have done everything she could in her own best interest? but planning laws are a pain!
Gill Zella Martin 09
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9:41pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Gill Zella Martin 09
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9:44pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Gill Zella Martin 09
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10:11pm Wed 23 Jan 13
meerkats
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10:29pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Gill Zella Martin 09 wrote:I use an online name for personal reasons ,and would never hide behind it to make nasty remarks about anyone . Helstonborns comment was wrong and unfair , and totally uncalled for.
One other observation helstonborn, you categorised several of us as Internet trolls and wrongly accused me of having biased opinions and wrongly accused me of trying to belittle opposition etc which in my opinion are derogatory remarks, you then made reference to those using on line names, is that not exactly what you have done, I believe you made your unjust remarks under an online name!
David Pascoe
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11:30am Thu 24 Jan 13
She is such a desperate social climber, and wants frenetically to be associated with the good and the great.
Most normal working people would refer to Sir Ferres Vyvyan as exactly that. Sir.
However Cllr Haycock arrogantly calls him in a public posting Ferrers Vyvyan.
A simple Freudian slip exposes all.
This is saying I am on first name terms with this extremely important person, and don't you forget it and the fact I mix and mingle with important people like this.
Actions such as this are the main reason Lib Dem supporters such as myself as deserting the party in droves and joining UKIP. They have no pretensions of grandeur, just want to help the people who voted for them, and those that didnt.
You voted for the 20% payrise while increasing the rates for the poorest in the community and slashing jobs in Cornwall Council. Guess what
You will not get the chance to draw the 20% payrise. The electorate have seen through you.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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2:06pm Thu 24 Jan 13
I believe there is a case to remove the bays, vision is restricted there, and one does not need to wait for an accident to happen before one implements a safety provision.
Gill Zella Martin 09
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2:18pm Thu 24 Jan 13
David Pascoe says...
11:18am Mon 21 Jan 13
As someone said regarding the Museum, as soon as Cornwall councillor Judith Haycock gets involved, it means the decision or result will be exactly opposed to what she is recommending.
She believed that by removing a section, the length of one car, would resolve the issue.
So totally predictable result, it will not happen.
I do hope the museum bear this in mind when they promote this Councillor as their Savior.
She isnt.