Hox in the Box: Joke Kinnear? Why Newcastle United fans need a reality check

Falmouth Packet: Hox in the Box: Joke Kinnear? Why Newcastle fans need a reality check Hox in the Box: Joke Kinnear? Why Newcastle fans need a reality check

So it would appear Joe Kinnear has been made the fall guy in the Newcastle United saga; the scapegoat for the Magpies’ inability to redress the balance in the wake of their most influential player’s departure.

The usual fanfare that surrounds deadline day was an overwhelming disappointment for long-suffering Newcastle fans, with the many eyes that were focussed on the supposed imminent arrival of the next Ligue One import left gazing in wonder at what could have been.

Clement Grenier was the man Newcastle fans were expecting, a 23 year-old midfield maestro with huge potential and a hankering to make the French World Cup squad.

In other words, the only player fit to fill the gaping void left by the previous standard bearer Yohan Cabaye. His move to PSG was, by all accounts, completely expected. Which does beg the question: why on earth did they allow a player to move for big money without lining up someone to replace him?

The assumption is that it was Kinnear’s job to get someone through the door, but his subsequent departure will do little to placate the fans, whose demand for blood after the home defeat to bitter rivals Sunderland led to a visceral outpouring of hatred aimed in Kinnear’s direction.

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Joe Kinnear has been sacked from his position as Director of Football at Newscastle United

Some fans invaded the pitch, others simply walked out, and the reaction at the final whistle was predictably angry, with many season ticket holders left wondering what happened to a season that held such promise just a few weeks ago.

But should they really be that surprised? Newcastle is a selling club, that much has been established since the Mike Ashley regime took full effect. And it has to be said the club has posted some impressive returns for their investment over the years, with Cabaye and Carroll raking in 50 million in profits alone.

Clearly Kinnear isn’t the only problem, but for a Director of Football whose sole job at the club is to oversee player recruitment, to sign just two players in two transfer windows is a monumental cock-up.

Intriguingly both were brought in on loan, suggesting the root cause of the problem lies with the man controlling the purse strings: Mike Ashley.

Loic Remy has been a fine addition to the Newcastle firing line; the jury’s still out on Luuk De Jong, but if his debut at the weekend is anything to go by he could be following Kinnear out of the door before too long.

The problem for Ashley is abundantly clear. Pardew has been a victim of his own relative success in stabilising the club as a Premier League force without having to spend big.

He and his scouting network - namely Graeme Carr - have mapped out a clear strategy for success: invest in young, talented players in France from clubs who need to sell.

It worked with Cabaye, Sissokko and Debuchy, but to mould an entire transfer policy around that ethic is naive and hopelessly optimistic.

Newcastle would be better off focussing on the cup competitions because, with six teams laying credible claims to being title contenders, there’s no way the Magpies can get close without investing heavily.

And, as we’ve just seen with Kinnear’s departure, players and staff are more likely to leave St James’ Park than enter.

Setting realistic goals is an essential part of a manager’s job, and for Alan Pardew the task that lies before him now is of tempering the sky-high ambitions of his passionate fanbase. Good luck with that.

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1:29pm Fri 7 Feb 14

murvar says...

No evidence provided for the assertion that there are "sky-high ambitions" of the passionate fan-base. We have been through relegation in the last few years and I would say that we are as realistic as any set of fans outside the top four or five. This tag of being unrealistic may have applied just after the Keegan/Robson years but Allardyce Souness Gullitt Roeder and Dalgliesh brought us down to earth with a big bump. Hughton steadied the ship and earned the respect of the chastened faithful. No - you cannot explain the anger towards Ashley in terms of fans' sky-high ambitions; it's more about the contempt displayed in his behaviour towards them - renaming St James Park; Wonga; Dennis Wise; the lying to Kevin Keegan and his subsequent unfair dismissal; the shoddy treatment of Alan Shearer; the appointments of Dennis Wise; the contemptible behaviour of Kinnear. You don't mention any of those reasons for the fans' anger.
No evidence provided for the assertion that there are "sky-high ambitions" of the passionate fan-base. We have been through relegation in the last few years and I would say that we are as realistic as any set of fans outside the top four or five. This tag of being unrealistic may have applied just after the Keegan/Robson years but Allardyce Souness Gullitt Roeder and Dalgliesh brought us down to earth with a big bump. Hughton steadied the ship and earned the respect of the chastened faithful. No - you cannot explain the anger towards Ashley in terms of fans' sky-high ambitions; it's more about the contempt displayed in his behaviour towards them - renaming St James Park; Wonga; Dennis Wise; the lying to Kevin Keegan and his subsequent unfair dismissal; the shoddy treatment of Alan Shearer; the appointments of Dennis Wise; the contemptible behaviour of Kinnear. You don't mention any of those reasons for the fans' anger. murvar
  • Score: 10

1:33pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Paul Atkins says...

sometimes its better to keep your opinions to yourself and appear ignorant than to voice them and remove all doubt.

Joe Kinnear was a patsy sent to take the flack for the criminal asset stripping that Mike Ahley is currenly engaged in.

and to say that he Newcastle fans have unrealistic 'sky high' expectations of success only goes to show your complete ignorance of the situation.

the club has made it clear they dont want to qualify for europe and do not want to progress in the cup competitions ! so what is the point of playing ? surely as footall fans we should aspire to some sort of success, its been long enough 1969 since a european trophy, the 1950s since and FA cup, and 1927 since they won a championship.

Newcastle have the 3rd biggest support in the country, 99% full every game (excluding cups...if the club dont give cups priority why should we turn up) should we not expect some success ? is it unreasonable ?
sometimes its better to keep your opinions to yourself and appear ignorant than to voice them and remove all doubt. Joe Kinnear was a patsy sent to take the flack for the criminal asset stripping that Mike Ahley is currenly engaged in. and to say that he Newcastle fans have unrealistic 'sky high' expectations of success only goes to show your complete ignorance of the situation. the club has made it clear they dont want to qualify for europe and do not want to progress in the cup competitions ! so what is the point of playing ? surely as footall fans we should aspire to some sort of success, its been long enough 1969 since a european trophy, the 1950s since and FA cup, and 1927 since they won a championship. Newcastle have the 3rd biggest support in the country, 99% full every game (excluding cups...if the club dont give cups priority why should we turn up) should we not expect some success ? is it unreasonable ? Paul Atkins
  • Score: 7

2:05pm Fri 7 Feb 14

cb8rhu says...

Oh dear, another small-time sports jounalist trotting out the tired, clichéd line about Newcastle fans having "sky-high ambitions". Is it "sky high ambition" to want to get past the 4th round of a domestic cup competition, somethng which hasn't happened since 2006? Is it "sky high ambition" to expect sensible investment in the playing squad in light of a massive increase in TV revenue this season, instead of failing to secure a single permanent signing in the last two transfer windows? Joe Kinnear received flak because he shot his mouth off and ultimately did not deliver a single thing he promised, whilst insulting Newcastle fans in the process. In the end his biggest failing was thinking he could persuade Ashley to invest in the squad.

You seem to suggest in your article that Newcastle fans still expect to be challenging for the title which is complete rubbish. Given that we finished 5th two seasons ago, we do expect a sustained assault on the European places, that's not unreasonable is it? If Ashley carried out sensible strengthening in a few key areas then this would be an attainable goal. Instead we find ourselves taking a step backwards.

So Newcastle fan's ambitions are anything but sky-high. And it's Loic Remy by the way.
Oh dear, another small-time sports jounalist trotting out the tired, clichéd line about Newcastle fans having "sky-high ambitions". Is it "sky high ambition" to want to get past the 4th round of a domestic cup competition, somethng which hasn't happened since 2006? Is it "sky high ambition" to expect sensible investment in the playing squad in light of a massive increase in TV revenue this season, instead of failing to secure a single permanent signing in the last two transfer windows? Joe Kinnear received flak because he shot his mouth off and ultimately did not deliver a single thing he promised, whilst insulting Newcastle fans in the process. In the end his biggest failing was thinking he could persuade Ashley to invest in the squad. You seem to suggest in your article that Newcastle fans still expect to be challenging for the title which is complete rubbish. Given that we finished 5th two seasons ago, we do expect a sustained assault on the European places, that's not unreasonable is it? If Ashley carried out sensible strengthening in a few key areas then this would be an attainable goal. Instead we find ourselves taking a step backwards. So Newcastle fan's ambitions are anything but sky-high. And it's Loic Remy by the way. cb8rhu
  • Score: 4

3:14pm Fri 7 Feb 14

DaveyNewcastle says...

I was going to make a comment about Falmouth Town AFC but as I haven't the faintest idea about that football club nor the mindset of their supporters then I shall give it a miss as I don't want to look foolish and ignorant.

Shame the writer of this article didn't take the same stance with Newcastle United.
I was going to make a comment about Falmouth Town AFC but as I haven't the faintest idea about that football club nor the mindset of their supporters then I shall give it a miss as I don't want to look foolish and ignorant. Shame the writer of this article didn't take the same stance with Newcastle United. DaveyNewcastle
  • Score: 2

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